Lyrical Nanoha/Headscratchers: Difference between revisions

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*** My guess is that should Scaglietti die, that would "trigger" the Numbers to gestate a new Scaglietti clone and inherit all his memories up to the time of death (probably like how Fate inherited Alicia's memories up until the time of Alicia's death.) Thus Scaglietti alive = no clones made. As for how, I'll just say it's triggered magic and leave it at that.

*** You probably shouldn't think about how that works with [[The One Guy|Otto]]

**** Your [[Dropped a Bridget On Him|trap detector]] [[Improbably Female Cast|is broken]].

**** Your [[Dropped a Bridget On Him|trap detector]] [[Improbably-Female Cast|is broken]].

**** More [[Viewer Gender Confusion]] than [[Dropped a Bridget On Him]]. I thought Otto was a guy too, considering the name, the fact she wears loose-fitting pants (while all the obviously-female Numbers sport [[Fan Service|form-fitting jumpsuits]]) and the voice. Until one of the other Numbers uses feminine pronouns when speaking about her.

**** In fact, the manga reveals that even his/her fellows Numbers do not know Otto's gender.

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**** It's explicitly stated that no one died in the current Book of Darkness case (although people presumably died in the past ones, especially Clyde Harlaown).

*** It can't be proven that the Numbers killed anyone in their attacks on the Einherjar installations, nor that the mages the Wolkenritter attacked were killed for their linker cores. I just rewatched the Einherjar attack scene a minute ago; none of the mages present are even bleeding, much less sporting serious wounds. "Knocked out and on the ground" does not automatically equate with "dead".

*** The Wolkenritter killed many of those large monsters on various uninhabited planets, which [[Captain Obvious|take much more punishment than a weak little human]]. Magic is clearly capable of killing things much more physically powerful than people. MGLN's avoidance of really killing off anyone (even the [[Redshirt Army]] clerks of the TSAB don't die conclusively) comes across as lame as when jRPG monsters just [[Non-Lethal KO|"knock out"]] the player characters. Considering how much the violence was amped up in ''[[Striker S (Anime)|Striker S]]'' I was somewhat annoyed that it seemed to be very inconsistent. Plus, [[Hot Blooded|Vita]] really should have [[Heroic Sacrifice|died]] in the Saint's Cradle.

*** The Wolkenritter killed many of those large monsters on various uninhabited planets, which [[Captain Obvious|take much more punishment than a weak little human]]. Magic is clearly capable of killing things much more physically powerful than people. MGLN's avoidance of really killing off anyone (even the [[Redshirt Army]] clerks of the TSAB don't die conclusively) comes across as lame as when jRPG monsters just [[Non-Lethal KO|"knock out"]] the player characters. Considering how much the violence was amped up in ''[[Striker S (Anime)|Striker S]]'' I was somewhat annoyed that it seemed to be very inconsistent. Plus, [[Hot-Blooded|Vita]] really should have [[Heroic Sacrifice|died]] in the Saint's Cradle.

*** Magic can kill people the reason the reason we never see Midchildan magic kill anyone is because the targets are well protected. First, consider what happened when Vice accidentally shot his sister in the eye. Now what would of happen of she had been hit with Starlight Breaker? She would have died.

**** Also, don't forget that there is a specific type of magic that is nonlethal, which Nanoha is explicitly said to be a master at.

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** [[Teanas Travels (Fanfic)|Teanas Travels]] runs with this idea.

* Why the bloody blue blazes do the dimensional ships have no weapons other than the [[Wave Motion Gun|Arc-en-Ciel]]? It makes it impossible for them to simply disable a ship, rather than destroying it, and it also means that they don't have any weapon that doesn't have a hideously large charge time. At least the [[Forgotten Superweapon|Saint's Cradle]] had magic laser banks. You'd think that an organization as devoted to peace as the TSAB would have some kind of less-guaranteed-lethal weapons.

** Any source for this? As far as I can recall, the only times when this could have come up was with the Book of Darkness (when anything less than the Arc-en-Ciel wouldn't have been enough), and against the Cradle (when they were worried that the full force of the interdimensional fleet would be insufficient). I had assumed that the ships had other combat capabilities that were simply not mentioned due to the lack of [[Ship to Ship Combat]] (hah) in the series.

** Any source for this? As far as I can recall, the only times when this could have come up was with the Book of Darkness (when anything less than the Arc-en-Ciel wouldn't have been enough), and against the Cradle (when they were worried that the full force of the interdimensional fleet would be insufficient). I had assumed that the ships had other combat capabilities that were simply not mentioned due to the lack of [[Ship-to-Ship Combat]] (hah) in the series.

*** Actually if you'll have a good look at Asura in first two series you'll see point-defense cannons. And they'll disappear in ''[[Striker S (Anime)|Striker S]]'' when it's decommissioned. Also - bureau ships in StrikerS didn't used AeC on Cradle, but they main guns. AeC is installed only by special orders and require time for that (installing that is, orders could be bypassed after all) - and they didn't had it, also effects of cannons are not similar with AeC showings.

** Because the TSAB is scared of weapon tech. Because in their history, anything beyond a peashooter has a bad habit of being taken over either by a [[Mad Scientist]] or [[AI Is a Crapshoot]]. Rather, the question really should be; why do they trust the Asura and its Arc-En-Ciel?

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** ...Sorry. Can I delete the repeated question, or am I supposed to, by TV Tropes law/tradition, keep it there to be mocked/ridiculed/attacked-for-unnecessaryness?

** Don't worry about it. You can delete it if you really want (or strike it), but it's not like you're never going to live it down anyway. We're not that kind of site.

*** [~~http://en.~~wikipedia~~.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox~~ A good question]. It is, in fact, entirely possible that there are no aliens. At all. There are, of course, plenty of planets with nonsentient "alien" life, we see them in A's, but it appears in the Nanohaverse that humans are alone in all of their universes.

*** [[wikipedia:Fermi paradox|A good question]]. It is, in fact, entirely possible that there are no aliens. At all. There are, of course, plenty of planets with nonsentient "alien" life, we see them in A's, but it appears in the Nanohaverse that humans are alone in all of their universes.

* It's been what, fourteen years since we last saw her, and Takamachi Miyuki still looks like a teenager in ''[[Vi Vid (Manga)|Vi Vid]]''! What kind of Oil of Olay is she ''using''?

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** It's not just the females; Shirou looks no older than he did back in A's, (when he's presumably 40 or so, making him well into his fifties in ''ViVid'').

* How exactly has Shamal been able to avoid getting hit with [[Real Women Never Wear Dresses]]? She's a [[Yamato Nadeshiko]] who does much of the housework for the Yagami family, primarily uses her abilities to [[Barrier Warrior|create barriers]] and [[The Medic|heal people]], and her typical outfit in A's is a green shirt with a long white skirt, but despite being one of the more traditionally "feminine" characters in Nanoha, hasn't been criticized for being that. It's not necessarily a bad thing (she's one of my favorite Nanoha characters), but Shamal seems to have most of the characteristics that people complain about under this trope, and it seems unlikely that only the presence of [[Improbably Female Cast|so many]] [[Action Girl|Action Girls]] or her accomplishments (especially taking Nanoha's Linker Core or finding and capturing Otto) would save her from this.

* How exactly has Shamal been able to avoid getting hit with [[Real Women Never Wear Dresses]]? She's a [[Yamato Nadeshiko]] who does much of the housework for the Yagami family, primarily uses her abilities to [[Barrier Warrior|create barriers]] and [[The Medic|heal people]], and her typical outfit in A's is a green shirt with a long white skirt, but despite being one of the more traditionally "feminine" characters in Nanoha, hasn't been criticized for being that. It's not necessarily a bad thing (she's one of my favorite Nanoha characters), but Shamal seems to have most of the characteristics that people complain about under this trope, and it seems unlikely that only the presence of [[Improbably-Female Cast|so many]] [[Action Girl|Action Girls]] or her accomplishments (especially taking Nanoha's Linker Core or finding and capturing Otto) would save her from this.

** Low screentime, being the doc and a dress not being dissimilar from a lab coat? Does it matter, really? [[Fan Dumb]] did not take hold. Rejoice while you can.

*** Being a doctor, even a [[Combat Medic]], is probably one of the '''worst''' careers a woman can take in an action anime series in the [[Fan Dumb]]'s eyes, only outranking the Nanohaverse's [[Bridge Bunnies]], the maids and civilians.

** I imagine it helps that she doesn't really have a whole lot of screentime. The women who get hit with the worst [[Fan Dumb]] for being girly also tend to be the ones who are really prominent about it. Shamal isn't exactly a ''minor'' character, but she's definitely sort of a side character; there aren't huge segments of every episode devoted to what Shamal is doing. I imagine people aren't quite so vocal about their complaints if the thing they're complaining about is only on-screen for five minutes every third episode. Also... wouldn't complaining about Shamal be sort of like punching a kitten? She's so loveable.

** I think it might have to do that her first appearance is very badass to say the least. That scene is much more memorable that anything she does after that, conjugate with the fact that she doesn't have much screentime means that [[Fan Dumb]] doesn't strike. Another reason might be that Nanoha isn't popular to attract [[Fan Dumb]] (here I admit that it's a foolish hope more than anything else).

*** Nanoha doesn't attract Fan Dumb? [[Ship to Ship Combat|You're kidding, right?]]

*** Nanoha doesn't attract Fan Dumb? [[Ship-to-Ship Combat|You're kidding, right?]]

* When Fate is beamed aboard the Arthra with Nanoha, Yuuno and Arf, where exactly did her handcuffs and white prisoner uniform come from? Nanoha and Yuuno had been off the ship since their debriefing after the last battle, Arf had never been on the Arthra before, and no one else was seen coming or going from the ship, which raises the question of how they managed to get them on her.

** Because that moment was NOT right after that? Do you really think that they should have dedicated half episode for that?

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**** Subaru's admiration of Nanoha may have limits, but the same can't be said on her support for Teana [[Les Yay|(why else do you think rainbows are straighter than her?)]]. A good example of how far she's willing to go for her partner is when Teana misfired during their operation at Hotel Augusta. She tried taking the blame for Teana's mistake by making up excuses, painting herself as the incompetent one (Vita didn't buy it). She even stated that she's prepared for any punishment and she was pretty used to getting scolded the night before the "White Devil Incident", but assures Teana that as long as they show results, then everything will be fine, so she's well aware of the possible results of their plan and is probably banking on the idea that Nanoha will be nice enough to overlook the dangerous aspects of their plan in favor of the results it may bring.

* I get that the series has an [[Improbably Female Cast]], I accept that. It does however bug/confuse me that in the big city tournament in Vivid that there doesn't seem to be a single boy, not even an unnamed background extra, competing. Is the tournament said to be divided by gender lines somewhere, or is Mid-Childa just some female only society?

* I get that the series has an [[Improbably-Female Cast]], I accept that. It does however bug/confuse me that in the big city tournament in Vivid that there doesn't seem to be a single boy, not even an unnamed background extra, competing. Is the tournament said to be divided by gender lines somewhere, or is Mid-Childa just some female only society?

** I would assume that the tournaments are gender-divided, at least on the child/teenager side.

* Is Chrono and Lindy's surname a [[Shout Out]] to anything? Google doesn't give anything that's obviously relevant.

* Is Chrono and Lindy's surname a [[Shout-Out]] to anything? Google doesn't give anything that's obviously relevant.

** Does it have to be? Perhaps the writers were simply trying to think of an exotic name that doesn't sound Japanese or of Earth origin, and only started going into [[Theme Naming]] and references when the Midchildians comprised the majority of the cast in [[Striker S]]..