Lyrical Nanoha/YMMV: Difference between revisions

==== YMMVs for the franchise as a whole: <small>(for specific ones go to the corresponding season's YMMV page)</small> ====

* [[Broken Base]]: With the exception of ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha AsA's|A's]]'', which is considered an [[Even Better Sequel]], pretty much any other entry into the main continuity has left the fandom polarised. It doesn't help that the author is constantly tinkering with the established formula in very unsubtle ways.

** ''[[StrikerMagical SGirl (Anime)Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS|Striker S]]'' caught flak for having a 10 year timeskip, thus losing most of the lolis. It moved the setting away from Earth and shifted focus from the previous main characters, ([[Demoted to Extra|demoting several to extras]] in the process), to a bunch of rookies and a ''lot'' more non-essential background characters. The Numbers cyborgs probably got the most heated debates among the fandom as to whether they were credible antagonists compared to the very powerful rivals from seasons one and two. They were also not as well-developed as previous antagonists, probably because there were so many of them. The third season was twice as long as previous seasons, but rather than using that extra time to develop its enormously expanded cast ''or'' give screentime to those characters inexplicably shoved out of the picture, the writers instead devoted most of the episodes to training the newbies and discussing military policies.

** ''[[Sound Stage X]]'' was basically a continuation of ''[[StrikerMagical SGirl (Anime)Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS|Striker S]]''... with no characters introduced before that season making any appearances. People who were not fans of the new characters did not take it well.

** ''[[ViMagical VidGirl Lyrical Nanoha (Manga)ViVid|Vi Vid]]'' was the first installment to shift from anime to manga, and a monthly one at that, so it already had a strike against it before it even started. Then it turned out it was a [[Lighter and Softer]] take on the series with [[Everything's Better Withwith Plushies|plushy devices]], no interdimensional incidents, [[Magical Girl]] tropes ''played straight'' and more lolis (and loli fanservice) than ever. It actually reads more like a shonen series with magical girls... and no antagonist so far. People who liked the changes in ''StrikerS'' were disappointed, but in Japan where [[Moe]] is the law it's the most successful entry in the franchise yet.

** And then there's ''[[Nanoha Force|Force]]''. If ''[[StrikerMagical SGirl Lyrical Nanoha (Anime)StrikerS|Striker S]]'' broke the base, than ''Force'' Starlight Breakered what was left of it. Running concurrently with ''[[ViMagical VidGirl Lyrical Nanoha (Manga)ViVid|Vi Vid]]'', it went completely the other way, all but ensuring that fans of one series hated the other and vice versa. It dropped most magical girl tropes altogether, introduced a bunch of new characters yet again, including an angsty ''male'' lead, which was the last thing anyone expected. It only keeps getting [[Darker and Edgier]] - innocent people are dying in bloody ways, antagonists are killing indiscriminately for fun, fan-favourite characters are being [[Curb Stomp Battle|curb stomped]] left and right with powers that seem more than [[Story -Breaker Power|a little broken]] and the [http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=503564 weapons] [http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=473048 and] [http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=534857 armor] [http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=465206 designs] [http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=455604 are] [http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=442117 now] approaching ''[[Warhammer 4000040,000]]'' levels of batshit insane. People think it's either the most [[So Cool Its Awesome|awesome thing ever]] or a [[Dork Age]] that [[Fanon Discontinuity|never happened]].

*** The ''[[Fate/stay Stay Nightnight]]'' crossover, which disappointed people who were expecting something serious and longer than a one-shot.

*** ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha AsA's Portable|The (VideoBattle Game)|TheBattleOfAcesOf Aces]]'' was generally well-received for shifting the focus back to the ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha AsA's|A's]]'' characters and the introduced [[Evil Twin|Evil Twins]] of the main characters became popular enough to be included in the sequel, but even most of its fans admit that it was mediocre in terms of gameplay.

*** The Sequel to the above game ''[[TheMagical GearsGirl ofLyrical DestinyNanoha (VideoA's Game)Portable|The Gears of Destiny]]'' almost broke this trend. The game have a stronger AI, great amount of playable characters, and a good story with good character development. {{spoiler|However the Manga cast contribute next to nothing to the overall main story, and the ending used Laser-Guided Amnesia to preserve the timeline. But how could this preserve the timeline when the two Timetravelers took four people from the current time era with them? It feels like they are trying to invoke ''[[In Spite of a Nail]]'' to make this timeline completely similar to the main one. It left the feeling of The movie manga all over again.}}

** Raising Heart/Bardiche. They've had [[Anthropomorphic Personification|Anthropomorphic Personifications]]s in fanon even before ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha AsA's|A's]]'' introduced the ridiculously human programs and the concept of unison devices.

** [[media:[[S Hx A]]_9930SHxA_9930.jpg|Sacred Heart/Asteion.]]

** The ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha AsA's Portable|Battle (VideoOf Game)|BattleOfAcesAces]]'' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZon30nfPCo&playnext=1&list=PL6205F0B5C4F86CF4 instrumental arrange of "Eternal Blaze"] - the opening theme for ''A's''.

* [[Just Here for Godzilla]]: Subverted. Before the first season's [[Growing the Beard]] moment, viewers were expected to just be there to see cute little Nanoha from ''[[Triangle Heart 3 Sweet～sweet Songssongs Foreverforever～]]'' in a strange alternate universe. They were quickly disproven when ''Nanoha'' got more viewers than the ''Triangle Heart 3'' OVA. Ever since ''Nanoha'' became the perfect example of [[More Popular Spinoff]], to the point where anyone looking for ''Triangle Heart 3'' is probably just there to see Nanoha in a strange alternate universe.

* [[More Popular Spinoff]]: Of ''[[Triangle Heart 3 ～sweet songs forever～]]''.

* [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character]]: YUUNO. In a series so focused on how the ancient civilizations and technologies of the past are enormously impacting upon the present day, having an archeologist, scholar and librarian of ancient knowledge in the cast would seem like a great idea. If nothing else, Yuuno could have continued his roll as [[Mr. Exposition]] in ''[[StrikerMagical SGirl (Anime)Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS|Striker S]]'', ''[[Sound Stage X]]'', ''[[Nanoha Vivid|ViVid]]'' and ''[[Nanoha Force|Force]]'', considering that no one would be better qualified to explain about the Belkan Reunification War, the Sankt Kaiser dynasty, the Saint's Cradle, the Hegemon Klaus and his relationship with Olivie, Queen Ixpelia and the Mariage, and perhaps even the Bible of the Silver Cross and its Eclipse Virus.

* [[Unfortunate Implications]]: Though this probably isn't the writers' intention, Nanoha's [[Defeat Means Friendship|method of befriending]] people might give some of the younger viewers (read: those in the 4-9 year-old demographic) the idea that [[Might Makes Right|it's acceptable to beat the crap out of somebody in order to prove that you're right and they're wrong.]]

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