Magic A Is Magic A: Difference between revisions

Content added Content deleted
m (update links)
m (clean up)
Line 1: Line 1:
{{trope}}
{{trope}}
[[File:MagicAIsMagicA_7655.png|link=El Goonish Shive|frame|Even [[Supernatural Martial Arts]] is part of this magic system.]]
[[File:MagicAIsMagicA 7655.png|link=El Goonish Shive|frame|Even [[Supernatural Martial Arts]] is part of this magic system.]]




{{quote|''"We don't ask that you stay within the bounds of physics, but at least follow the rules you freaking made up."''|'''[[Cracked.com|Cracked]]''', ''[http://www.cracked.com/article_16625_8-classic-movies-that-got-away-with-gaping-plot-holes.html 8 Classic Movies That Got Away With Gaping Plot Holes]''}}
{{quote|''"We don't ask that you stay within the bounds of physics, but at least follow the rules you freaking made up."''|'''[[Cracked.com|Cracked]]''', ''[http://www.cracked.com/article_16625_8-classic-movies-that-got-away-with-gaping-plot-holes.html 8 Classic Movies That Got Away With Gaping Plot Holes]''}}


Works heavy on speculative elements, such as [[Science Fiction]] and [[Fantasy]], often have an assortment of fantastic intangibles we cannot even dream of encountering in [[Real Life]] -- yet act in a completely consistent way, as if governed by imaginary rules of physics.
Works heavy on speculative elements, such as [[Science Fiction]] and [[Fantasy]], often have an assortment of fantastic intangibles we cannot even dream of encountering in [[Real Life]]—yet act in a completely consistent way, as if governed by imaginary rules of physics.


Or at least, they do, if the writer knows what he's doing. No matter how fantastic the events in a piece of fiction, their [[Internal Consistency]] is what makes or breaks the [[Willing Suspension of Disbelief]]. You can have the tech guy of [[La Résistance]] [[Techno Babble|explain in oblique terms involving the word "nano"]] why the [[Evil Empire]]'s fairy dust superweapon needs an hour to recharge after activation, and the audience will nod its collective head and smile; but if you later have that superweapon fire twice in succession, you just made a [[Plot Hole]] and they'll all be at your throat.
Or at least, they do, if the writer knows what he's doing. No matter how fantastic the events in a piece of fiction, their [[Internal Consistency]] is what makes or breaks the [[Willing Suspension of Disbelief]]. You can have the tech guy of [[La Résistance]] [[Techno Babble|explain in oblique terms involving the word "nano"]] why the [[Evil Empire]]'s fairy dust superweapon needs an hour to recharge after activation, and the audience will nod its collective head and smile; but if you later have that superweapon fire twice in succession, you just made a [[Plot Hole]] and they'll all be at your throat.
Line 26: Line 26:
== Anime & Manga ==
== Anime & Manga ==
* ''[[Read or Die]]'' sets the arbitrary yet consistent rule that only the most skilled paper-manipulators may use paper that gets wet.
* ''[[Read or Die]]'' sets the arbitrary yet consistent rule that only the most skilled paper-manipulators may use paper that gets wet.
* ''[[Fullmetal Alchemist]]'' never gets into the "nuts and bolts" of how one learns alchemy or gets it to work, but we are shown though repeated example that it requires a great deal of research, practice and the use of [[Geometric Magic|inscribed runes or circles]] to make it happen. There is also the constantly repeated rule of ''[[Equivalent Exchange]],'' that for the alchemist to create something, he or she must destroy something of equal value (in practice, this means just having the necessary raw materials at hand - the act of construction itself doesn't seem to "cost" anything {{spoiler|until it's revealed that ''[[Soylent Green|human souls]]'' are the cost being paid in the anime. In the manga alchemy uses geothermal energy, and the [[Big Bad]] uses souls as a buffer to make alchemy weaker}}. <br /><br />In fact, the author's notes at the beginning of the original manga emphasize that the series was originally intended to showcase a B-movie style version of real-life alchemy, without so much emphasis on the actual science behind it.
* ''[[Fullmetal Alchemist]]'' never gets into the "nuts and bolts" of how one learns alchemy or gets it to work, but we are shown though repeated example that it requires a great deal of research, practice and the use of [[Geometric Magic|inscribed runes or circles]] to make it happen. There is also the constantly repeated rule of ''[[Equivalent Exchange]],'' that for the alchemist to create something, he or she must destroy something of equal value (in practice, this means just having the necessary raw materials at hand - the act of construction itself doesn't seem to "cost" anything {{spoiler|until it's revealed that ''[[Soylent Green|human souls]]'' are the cost being paid in the anime. In the manga alchemy uses geothermal energy, and the [[Big Bad]] uses souls as a buffer to make alchemy weaker}}.

In fact, the author's notes at the beginning of the original manga emphasize that the series was originally intended to showcase a B-movie style version of real-life alchemy, without so much emphasis on the actual science behind it.
* ''[[Death Note]]'': This is one of the central tropes of the series, with Light Yagami pushing each of the rules for using the eponymous Death Note to its breaking point, while his adversary L uses every clue available to determine the limits of "Kira's" powers. Some of the rules themselves are written out in an explicit, detailed manner in the first episode; others are puzzled out over time, and shown briefly in [[Eyecatch]] segments; a full list is [http://deathnote.wikia.com/wiki/The_Rules_of_Death_Note here].
* ''[[Death Note]]'': This is one of the central tropes of the series, with Light Yagami pushing each of the rules for using the eponymous Death Note to its breaking point, while his adversary L uses every clue available to determine the limits of "Kira's" powers. Some of the rules themselves are written out in an explicit, detailed manner in the first episode; others are puzzled out over time, and shown briefly in [[Eyecatch]] segments; a full list is [http://deathnote.wikia.com/wiki/The_Rules_of_Death_Note here].
** Worth noting is that some of these rules are introduced [[Foreshadowing|before they actually become relevant to the plot]], while others [[Red Herring|never become relevant at all]].
** Worth noting is that some of these rules are introduced [[Foreshadowing|before they actually become relevant to the plot]], while others [[Red Herring|never become relevant at all]].
Line 38: Line 40:
*** It's stated in-universe that the point of reality marbles IS breaking the rules.
*** It's stated in-universe that the point of reality marbles IS breaking the rules.
* Needless to say, the rules in the Nasuverse are extremely complicated to the point of [[Mind Screw]]. The fact that more than a few rules actually contradict others really doesn't help.
* Needless to say, the rules in the Nasuverse are extremely complicated to the point of [[Mind Screw]]. The fact that more than a few rules actually contradict others really doesn't help.
* ''[[Mahou Sensei Negima]]'' does well with this by only ever explaining the nature of strategies and techniques, and leaving the actual science of magic for the ''Lexicon Magicum Negimarium''. Even still, the eponymous Negi makes it clear that he's never heard of anything like a money tree and that [[Love Potion|Love Potions]] aren't common and are unreliable because magic wasn't meant to be used like that (later it's made clear that Love Potions are completely illegal in Magical society). It doesn't stop [[Love Is in the Air]] moments from occuring ([[Hilarity Ensues|often hilarious]]).
* ''[[Mahou Sensei Negima]]'' does well with this by only ever explaining the nature of strategies and techniques, and leaving the actual science of magic for the ''Lexicon Magicum Negimarium''. Even still, the eponymous Negi makes it clear that he's never heard of anything like a money tree and that [[Love Potion]]s aren't common and are unreliable because magic wasn't meant to be used like that (later it's made clear that Love Potions are completely illegal in Magical society). It doesn't stop [[Love Is in the Air]] moments from occuring ([[Hilarity Ensues|often hilarious]]).
** Also, there is at least one rule Negi can break by kissing hard enough.
** Also, there is at least one rule Negi can break by kissing hard enough.
** Well, technically, no one even knew if there ''was'' a rule concerning that, and considering that {{spoiler|his ancestors created the Pactio system to begin with}}, he actually has a surprising amount of leverage.
** Well, technically, no one even knew if there ''was'' a rule concerning that, and considering that {{spoiler|his ancestors created the Pactio system to begin with}}, he actually has a surprising amount of leverage.
Line 70: Line 72:
** Second, the subject must be able to hear Jesse. Jesse's recurring nemesis, Herr Starr, managed to escape Jesse's voice simply by covering his ears and repeating the word "no" over and over.
** Second, the subject must be able to hear Jesse. Jesse's recurring nemesis, Herr Starr, managed to escape Jesse's voice simply by covering his ears and repeating the word "no" over and over.
** Next, the subject must be able to understand the order Jesse is giving. In one instance, Herr Starr takes advantage of this by sending hitmen to kill Jesse that didn't speak English, and it's probably worth noting that wild animals don't speak ''any'' kind of human.
** Next, the subject must be able to understand the order Jesse is giving. In one instance, Herr Starr takes advantage of this by sending hitmen to kill Jesse that didn't speak English, and it's probably worth noting that wild animals don't speak ''any'' kind of human.
** Finally (and this bit's important), the subject must be able to actually ''do'' what Jesse has told them to do. Telling someone to fly off the side of a skyscraper doesn't mean that they can suddenly flap their arms and defy gravity. Telling them to "try," on the other hand, will have more favorable, or at least messier, results. Because of this, Jesse has disposed of one opponent by telling him to go to the beach and count sand (and he does) & evaded a crackshot marksman at point-blank range by commanding him to miss (this also lead to Arseface's origin story--Jesse told his dad "go fuck yourself" with the Voice, and the man [[Nightmare Fuel|had to]] [[Squick|comply.]] [[Driven to Suicide|And then shot himself in front of his son.]])
** Finally (and this bit's important), the subject must be able to actually ''do'' what Jesse has told them to do. Telling someone to fly off the side of a skyscraper doesn't mean that they can suddenly flap their arms and defy gravity. Telling them to "try," on the other hand, will have more favorable, or at least messier, results. Because of this, Jesse has disposed of one opponent by telling him to go to the beach and count sand (and he does) & evaded a crackshot marksman at point-blank range by commanding him to miss (this also lead to Arseface's origin story—Jesse told his dad "go fuck yourself" with the Voice, and the man [[Nightmare Fuel|had to]] [[Squick|comply.]] [[Driven to Suicide|And then shot himself in front of his son.]])
* ''[[Fables]]'' is a bit confusing. [[All Myths Are True]], and exist in another universe. However, Nick Slick (apparently the devil) and the Frankenstein monster seems to have always existed in the real world, and even mundane world wolves appear to have a complex language and even a religion, implying that they're far more intelligent that real-world wolves.
* ''[[Fables]]'' is a bit confusing. [[All Myths Are True]], and exist in another universe. However, Nick Slick (apparently the devil) and the Frankenstein monster seems to have always existed in the real world, and even mundane world wolves appear to have a complex language and even a religion, implying that they're far more intelligent that real-world wolves.
** Partially resolved in that over the course of the series it becomes apparent that it is not our world. Jack of Fables makes is much more noticeable as it shows superpowered abstract entities do exist in the Fables universe.
** Partially resolved in that over the course of the series it becomes apparent that it is not our world. Jack of Fables makes is much more noticeable as it shows superpowered abstract entities do exist in the Fables universe.
Line 96: Line 98:
** The Adept Firesong once gave a speech declaring that most rules and limits of magic were all in the mage's head - they couldn't do something simply because the way they were taught made them think that it was impossible. And indeed, he and others did manage to do things that other mages couldn't - then a few books later he met the aforesaid Eastern mages who treat magic as a science complete with mathematical tools, and is forced to work with a group of engineers in figuring out a scientific approach to solving a magical crisis, proving that there are ''some'' real rules out there after all.
** The Adept Firesong once gave a speech declaring that most rules and limits of magic were all in the mage's head - they couldn't do something simply because the way they were taught made them think that it was impossible. And indeed, he and others did manage to do things that other mages couldn't - then a few books later he met the aforesaid Eastern mages who treat magic as a science complete with mathematical tools, and is forced to work with a group of engineers in figuring out a scientific approach to solving a magical crisis, proving that there are ''some'' real rules out there after all.
* In [[John C. Wright]]'s ''[[Chronicles of Chaos]]'', there are six different, mutually exclusive paradigms of magic. Working out their relationships and interactions in a form of meta-magic is a major plot point, and the paradigms can, in fact, be charted.
* In [[John C. Wright]]'s ''[[Chronicles of Chaos]]'', there are six different, mutually exclusive paradigms of magic. Working out their relationships and interactions in a form of meta-magic is a major plot point, and the paradigms can, in fact, be charted.
* The stories of Australian children's writer [[Paul Jennings]] often revolve around this trope-- each has a [[Twist Ending]] which (however [[Nightmare Fuel|disturbing]] or [[Nausea Fuel|disgusting]]) follows logically from the established rules of an item's or character's special power.
* The stories of Australian children's writer [[Paul Jennings]] often revolve around this trope—each has a [[Twist Ending]] which (however [[Nightmare Fuel|disturbing]] or [[Nausea Fuel|disgusting]]) follows logically from the established rules of an item's or character's special power.
* The ''[[Lord Darcy]]'' stories by [[Randall Garrett]] use self-consistent Laws of Magic to determine what can and can't be done by the characters. Appropriate, since in this alternate world magic is a science.
* The ''[[Lord Darcy]]'' stories by [[Randall Garrett]] use self-consistent Laws of Magic to determine what can and can't be done by the characters. Appropriate, since in this alternate world magic is a science.
** And "witchcraft" is used to refer to doing things that the Laws of Magic say are nonsense - like using willowbark to cure headaches when everyone knows that there's no symbolic affinity between the willow and pain. Magic as Science, and Science as Magic...
** And "witchcraft" is used to refer to doing things that the Laws of Magic say are nonsense - like using willowbark to cure headaches when everyone knows that there's no symbolic affinity between the willow and pain. Magic as Science, and Science as Magic...
*** Though there is starting to be some of what we would consider more normal technological development: a top secret military research project has developed...''a flashlight!''
*** Though there is starting to be some of what we would consider more normal technological development: a top secret military research project has developed...''a flashlight!''
** A few of the simpler rules are explicitly named in the stories. For example, there's the Law of Contagion, which allows a forensic wizard to determine whether a particular bullet was fired from a particular gun. Occasionally hints of greater detail are given; for instance, the bullet has a strong affinity for the gun, but the gun has a fairly weak affinity for the bullet... it's all explained in-story. It's strongly implied that at the higher levels Theoretical Magic is at least as complicated as Quantum Physics; one of the characters mentions that he has only a Master's degree and not a Th.D. (Thaumaturgiae Doctoris) because he couldn't handle the math.
** A few of the simpler rules are explicitly named in the stories. For example, there's the Law of Contagion, which allows a forensic wizard to determine whether a particular bullet was fired from a particular gun. Occasionally hints of greater detail are given; for instance, the bullet has a strong affinity for the gun, but the gun has a fairly weak affinity for the bullet... it's all explained in-story. It's strongly implied that at the higher levels Theoretical Magic is at least as complicated as Quantum Physics; one of the characters mentions that he has only a Master's degree and not a Th.D. (Thaumaturgiae Doctoris) because he couldn't handle the math.
* The world of ''[[Harry Potter]]'' leaves out a lot of details about the limits and method of using its magic, and for the most part eschews explanations for a sense of wonder. Some rules are evidently made up as it goes along but the rules are never fully listed outright, which leaves wiggle room for further explanation (e.g The differences between casting "[http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Accio Accio Wand]" and "[http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Expelliarmus Expelliarmus]" on your opponent). Once the rules are listed, they are never contradicted, but it sometimes seems odd that certain magical abilities were never explained before. Since Harry is a teenager raised by [[Muggle|muggles]] and unaccustomed to the world of magic his lack of knowledge is forgivable, while others take it for granted and have little reason to [[Expospeak]] about it.
* The world of ''[[Harry Potter]]'' leaves out a lot of details about the limits and method of using its magic, and for the most part eschews explanations for a sense of wonder. Some rules are evidently made up as it goes along but the rules are never fully listed outright, which leaves wiggle room for further explanation (e.g The differences between casting "[http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Accio Accio Wand]" and "[http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Expelliarmus Expelliarmus]" on your opponent). Once the rules are listed, they are never contradicted, but it sometimes seems odd that certain magical abilities were never explained before. Since Harry is a teenager raised by [[muggle]]s and unaccustomed to the world of magic his lack of knowledge is forgivable, while others take it for granted and have little reason to [[Expospeak]] about it.
** There are five specific things that cannot be created by magic (food, love, life, information, and money). Only the first is enumerated in the series, and only in the last book. The other four are via [[Word of God]], though it's implicit from the lack of those things being created by magic. They do explain that there are imitations that can be made (such making objects take on the appearance of life) and there are "cheats" that might be mistaken for breaking the rule (such as summoning already prepared food from one location to another).
** There are five specific things that cannot be created by magic (food, love, life, information, and money). Only the first is enumerated in the series, and only in the last book. The other four are via [[Word of God]], though it's implicit from the lack of those things being created by magic. They do explain that there are imitations that can be made (such making objects take on the appearance of life) and there are "cheats" that might be mistaken for breaking the rule (such as summoning already prepared food from one location to another).
** One of the themes of magic Rowling has in the series is the dead can never be brought back to life, and the time after death is a mystery even to the greatest of wizards. There are several imitations of life, from ghosts, to zombies, to the echoes of people produced by a Deathly Hallow or Priori Incantum. There's also the horcruxes or the Philosopher's Stone, which prevent the person from dying in the first place, but they don't give true immortality because it's conditional on either item not getting destroyed.
** One of the themes of magic Rowling has in the series is the dead can never be brought back to life, and the time after death is a mystery even to the greatest of wizards. There are several imitations of life, from ghosts, to zombies, to the echoes of people produced by a Deathly Hallow or Priori Incantum. There's also the horcruxes or the Philosopher's Stone, which prevent the person from dying in the first place, but they don't give true immortality because it's conditional on either item not getting destroyed.
* ''[[The Wheel of Time]]'' has a convoluted magic system, especially [[Gender-Restricted Ability|when it comes to differences between males and females]] and how [[Geometric Magic|various weaves are constructed]]. Another rule states that shadowspawn die if they try to pass through portals.
* ''[[The Wheel of Time]]'' has a convoluted magic system, especially [[Gender-Restricted Ability|when it comes to differences between males and females]] and how [[Geometric Magic|various weaves are constructed]]. Another rule states that shadowspawn die if they try to pass through portals.
** Though it must be said that, convoluted as it may be, the system was perfectly consistent, once the author figured out how he wanted things to work (around the second or third book). Before that, the rules were slightly looser.
** Though it must be said that, convoluted as it may be, the system was perfectly consistent, once the author figured out how he wanted things to work (around the second or third book). Before that, the rules were slightly looser.
** But note there are other forms of magic -- Perrin's wolf powers, Min's viewings, Hurin's sniffing -- that don't fit within the rules and confuse the "normal magic" users. Not to mention the whole Horn of Valere thing.
** But note there are other forms of magic—Perrin's wolf powers, Min's viewings, Hurin's sniffing—that don't fit within the rules and confuse the "normal magic" users. Not to mention the whole Horn of Valere thing.
** It's further complicated by the fact that the setting is full of [[Lost Technology]], [[Poor Communication Kills]] and [[Culture Clash|Culture Clashes]], and is set [[After the End|after multiple different apocalypses]]. When something weird pops up, it's anyone's guess whether it seems completely impossible to the current viewpoint character but would be well-known and understood by someone from another country, was commonplace during the Age of Legends and has been forgotten by the present day, or has truly never been seen before by anyone in the world since the last Third Age.
** It's further complicated by the fact that the setting is full of [[Lost Technology]], [[Poor Communication Kills]] and [[Culture Clash]]es, and is set [[After the End|after multiple different apocalypses]]. When something weird pops up, it's anyone's guess whether it seems completely impossible to the current viewpoint character but would be well-known and understood by someone from another country, was commonplace during the Age of Legends and has been forgotten by the present day, or has truly never been seen before by anyone in the world since the last Third Age.
* [[Brandon Sanderson|Brandon Sanderson's]] magic systems are regulated to the point of being almost ''science''. In one case, once the series was over and only about half the magic system was revealed, fans were able to ''correctly determine the rest of the system'', based on the science of the parts that had been revealed. Sanderson ''[[wikipedia:Sanderson's First Law|owns]]'' this trope.
* [[Brandon Sanderson|Brandon Sanderson's]] magic systems are regulated to the point of being almost ''science''. In one case, once the series was over and only about half the magic system was revealed, fans were able to ''correctly determine the rest of the system'', based on the science of the parts that had been revealed. Sanderson ''[[wikipedia:Sanderson's First Law|owns]]'' this trope.
** You can find his essay on the subject [http://brandonsanderson.com/article/40/Sandersons-First-Law here.]
** You can find his essay on the subject [http://brandonsanderson.com/article/40/Sandersons-First-Law here.]
* One-upping that, the "magic" in Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman's ''[[Death Gate]]'' series ''is'' (pseudo)science, complete with a [[Techno Babble]]--filled appendix describing how all of it works.
* One-upping that, the "magic" in Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman's ''[[Death Gate]]'' series ''is'' (pseudo)science, complete with a [[Techno Babble]]—filled appendix describing how all of it works.
* The Endowment magic system from [[The Runelords]] books is very much [[Magic A Is Magic A]]. Internally-consistent and thought out rigorously well, it was actually one of the inspirations behind Sanderson's ideas for the Mistborn books.
* The Endowment magic system from [[The Runelords]] books is very much Magic A Is Magic A. Internally-consistent and thought out rigorously well, it was actually one of the inspirations behind Sanderson's ideas for the Mistborn books.
* ''[[Skulduggery Pleasant]]'' uses this, with two separate magic systems.
* ''[[Skulduggery Pleasant]]'' uses this, with two separate magic systems.
** Bonus points, as well, for describing pretty much exactly how the magic works -- i.e., instead of "he snapped his fingers and a flame appeared above them," it's "she snapped her fingers, felt the spark and heat generated by the friction, and fed it her magic until it grew into a visible flame."
** Bonus points, as well, for describing pretty much exactly how the magic works—i.e., instead of "he snapped his fingers and a flame appeared above them," it's "she snapped her fingers, felt the spark and heat generated by the friction, and fed it her magic until it grew into a visible flame."
* ''[[Discworld]]'' magic hasn't been terribly consistent over the course of the books ([[Vancian Magic]] or [[Mana]]? It depends how far along in the series you are), but one rule [[Terry Pratchett]] has more or less stuck with is the Law of Conservation of Reality, which says that doing something by magic takes as much energy as doing it normally (although there are "cheats", such as ''where'' the energy is coming from). This stops Discworld wizards from being all-powerful [[Reality Warper|Reality Warpers]], but unfortunately doesn't apply to [[Person of Mass Destruction|Sourcerers]].
* ''[[Discworld]]'' magic hasn't been terribly consistent over the course of the books ([[Vancian Magic]] or [[Mana]]? It depends how far along in the series you are), but one rule [[Terry Pratchett]] has more or less stuck with is the Law of Conservation of Reality, which says that doing something by magic takes as much energy as doing it normally (although there are "cheats", such as ''where'' the energy is coming from). This stops Discworld wizards from being all-powerful [[Reality Warper]]s, but unfortunately doesn't apply to [[Person of Mass Destruction|Sourcerers]].
* Magic in ''[[The Dresden Files]]'' has a very well-developed and consistent set of established rules. Working within these rules (and finding loopholes) is a major part of the story in most of the books. Among the most common ones:
* Magic in ''[[The Dresden Files]]'' has a very well-developed and consistent set of established rules. Working within these rules (and finding loopholes) is a major part of the story in most of the books. Among the most common ones:
** Magic is generated by a variety of sources, primarily living things and emotions. Shown when Harry is trapped in a magic sealing field in an aquarium, and notes that there's still lots of magic inside the field due to the fact that there's a lot of living things inside and that the aquarium is routinely visited by large numbers of people with strong emotions as they witness the animals inside.
** Magic is generated by a variety of sources, primarily living things and emotions. Shown when Harry is trapped in a magic sealing field in an aquarium, and notes that there's still lots of magic inside the field due to the fact that there's a lot of living things inside and that the aquarium is routinely visited by large numbers of people with strong emotions as they witness the animals inside.
Line 136: Line 138:
'I do not know what you mean by that,' answered the leader of the Elves. 'They are fair garments, and the web is good, for it was made in this land. They are elvish robes certainly, if that is what you mean." ("Farewell to Lórien", ''The Fellowship of the Ring''.) }}
'I do not know what you mean by that,' answered the leader of the Elves. 'They are fair garments, and the web is good, for it was made in this land. They are elvish robes certainly, if that is what you mean." ("Farewell to Lórien", ''The Fellowship of the Ring''.) }}
*** This is because, as Galadriel points out, the word for "magic" used by the hobbits covers what to the elves are two distinct concepts, both elvish "Art" and "sorcery" which is the term for the works of Sauron and the Ringwraiths. Of course, even in Sindarin the term for "sorcery" is just the prefix for "dark" or "black" (mor-) thrown on the word for art, lore, or knowledge (''gul'', thus sorcery or "the black arts," is ''morgul'' as in Minas Morgul and the morgul blade.)
*** This is because, as Galadriel points out, the word for "magic" used by the hobbits covers what to the elves are two distinct concepts, both elvish "Art" and "sorcery" which is the term for the works of Sauron and the Ringwraiths. Of course, even in Sindarin the term for "sorcery" is just the prefix for "dark" or "black" (mor-) thrown on the word for art, lore, or knowledge (''gul'', thus sorcery or "the black arts," is ''morgul'' as in Minas Morgul and the morgul blade.)
*** Additionally, as is made more clear in the ''[[Silmarillion]]'', elves simply don't think of what they can do as "magical." It's just a natural ability to them, like carpentry is to a human being -- as far as the elves are concerned, they're just better at making things that us weakling humans. Basically, an elven sailor could get so good at sailing that he could make his ship fly. Likewise, the "wizards" (''istari'') like Gandalf aren't stock fantasy wizards so much as actually a group of minor gods (the same kind of being as Sauron and the Balrogs, actually).
*** Additionally, as is made more clear in the ''[[Silmarillion]]'', elves simply don't think of what they can do as "magical." It's just a natural ability to them, like carpentry is to a human being—as far as the elves are concerned, they're just better at making things that us weakling humans. Basically, an elven sailor could get so good at sailing that he could make his ship fly. Likewise, the "wizards" (''istari'') like Gandalf aren't stock fantasy wizards so much as actually a group of minor gods (the same kind of being as Sauron and the Balrogs, actually).
*** It's also worth mentioning that in one of his essays, Tolkien specifically mentioned that in a true "fairy story", magic should never be explicitly explained.
*** It's also worth mentioning that in one of his essays, Tolkien specifically mentioned that in a true "fairy story", magic should never be explicitly explained.
*** A point is made in the Silmarillion that many great works that might be considered magical can only be accomplished once. The great trees: Telperion and Laurelin, created by Yavanna could only be created once; the Silmarils created by Feanor could only be created once. One may presume the One Ring created by Sauron could also only have been created once and it would make sense that reason for this is as given that he put his own power into the ring thus diminishing it in himself. In this respect the act of using one's 'magic' to create a great artifact appears to forever diminish the creator of the artifact.
*** A point is made in the Silmarillion that many great works that might be considered magical can only be accomplished once. The great trees: Telperion and Laurelin, created by Yavanna could only be created once; the Silmarils created by Feanor could only be created once. One may presume the One Ring created by Sauron could also only have been created once and it would make sense that reason for this is as given that he put his own power into the ring thus diminishing it in himself. In this respect the act of using one's 'magic' to create a great artifact appears to forever diminish the creator of the artifact.
Line 199: Line 201:


== Video Games ==
== Video Games ==
* The [[Magick|magicka]] in ''[[The Elder Scrolls]]'' is an excellent example of this trope. It's never explained in full detail; but it's established as something anyone can practice it in his spare time, but also subject to substantial research by the Dunmer Temple, the Imperial Cult, and the Mages Guild. There are also some very clear rules: to enchant an item, you must know the spell you'll burn in the item, you need a soul gem with an animal soul inside (you can't trap human, bestial or elven souls), and clothes and accessories can hold much more magic than weapons.
* The [[magick]]a in ''[[The Elder Scrolls]]'' is an excellent example of this trope. It's never explained in full detail; but it's established as something anyone can practice it in his spare time, but also subject to substantial research by the Dunmer Temple, the Imperial Cult, and the Mages Guild. There are also some very clear rules: to enchant an item, you must know the spell you'll burn in the item, you need a soul gem with an animal soul inside (you can't trap human, bestial or elven souls), and clothes and accessories can hold much more magic than weapons.
** Funny you should mention enchanting. While it's consistent within each game, the exact mechanics tends to vary wildly throughout the series as a whole.
** Funny you should mention enchanting. While it's consistent within each game, the exact mechanics tends to vary wildly throughout the series as a whole.
** ''Oblivion'' showed us that, using Necromancy, it was possible to create a corrupted form of soul gems that are made for capturing Human, Bestial, or Elven souls. And they're more powerful than most animal souls, to boot. They're not available in ''Morrowind'', though, because necromancy is banned in the Morrowind province by the Dunmer Temple.
** ''Oblivion'' showed us that, using Necromancy, it was possible to create a corrupted form of soul gems that are made for capturing Human, Bestial, or Elven souls. And they're more powerful than most animal souls, to boot. They're not available in ''Morrowind'', though, because necromancy is banned in the Morrowind province by the Dunmer Temple.
Line 233: Line 235:
* The [[Whateley Universe]] tries to be consistent about this. Given that the major characters now include a mage who is part Sidhe, a half-demon who has psychic abilities but deals with magic regularly, and an [[Action Girl]] with a magic sword, keeping the details consistent across authors must be fairly involved.
* The [[Whateley Universe]] tries to be consistent about this. Given that the major characters now include a mage who is part Sidhe, a half-demon who has psychic abilities but deals with magic regularly, and an [[Action Girl]] with a magic sword, keeping the details consistent across authors must be fairly involved.
** One story has a character begin to talk about a phenomenon that underlies everything in the universe which is what gives her her powers, only to be told by the other characters that it doesn't exist, or at least, they've seen absolutely no evidence of it. It's a nice thought at how theories are subjective, so when a character explains their own or someone else's powers, they could just be completely wrong yet still come up with an explanation that covers the bases.
** One story has a character begin to talk about a phenomenon that underlies everything in the universe which is what gives her her powers, only to be told by the other characters that it doesn't exist, or at least, they've seen absolutely no evidence of it. It's a nice thought at how theories are subjective, so when a character explains their own or someone else's powers, they could just be completely wrong yet still come up with an explanation that covers the bases.
** Part of what helps keep the [[Whateley Universe]] canon stories straight is the secret "[[All There in the Manual|Whateley Academy Universe Bible]]" that only canon authors are allowed access to -- this lays out every single "rule" for the storyline, canon characters, backstory, etc etc.
** Part of what helps keep the [[Whateley Universe]] canon stories straight is the secret "[[All There in the Manual|Whateley Academy Universe Bible]]" that only canon authors are allowed access to—this lays out every single "rule" for the storyline, canon characters, backstory, etc etc.
*** And, for another one of those 'secrets'...It's not been updated in about three years or so.
*** And, for another one of those 'secrets'...It's not been updated in about three years or so.
** However it does play looser with acquisition of powers; Phase got his via some sort of virus that was non-contagious and nobody else displays any other form of symptom and Tennyo got hers via what are best described as Magic [[Screw the Rules I Have Plot]] Brownies.
** However it does play looser with acquisition of powers; Phase got his via some sort of virus that was non-contagious and nobody else displays any other form of symptom and Tennyo got hers via what are best described as Magic [[Screw the Rules I Have Plot]] Brownies.
Line 244: Line 246:
* Bending in ''[[Avatar: The Last Airbender]]'' mostly follows this. Certain characters can use various martial arts derived movements to telekinetically control one of the classical elements. It is possible to utilise this basic mechanic for more esoteric uses.
* Bending in ''[[Avatar: The Last Airbender]]'' mostly follows this. Certain characters can use various martial arts derived movements to telekinetically control one of the classical elements. It is possible to utilise this basic mechanic for more esoteric uses.
** E.g. "Bloodbending" is the act of controlling the water in someone's blood (only possible during a full moon when waterbending is at maximum power). "Metalbending" is the act of controlling the leftover impurities in metal to indirectly bend metal (but only Toph can do that, thanks to her [[Disability Superpower]]). Strong Firebenders can generate lightning.
** E.g. "Bloodbending" is the act of controlling the water in someone's blood (only possible during a full moon when waterbending is at maximum power). "Metalbending" is the act of controlling the leftover impurities in metal to indirectly bend metal (but only Toph can do that, thanks to her [[Disability Superpower]]). Strong Firebenders can generate lightning.
*** The lightning does show something resembling internal inconsistency in the final episodes, though. Supposedly it can only be generated by a firebender who can clear his mind of emotion and distraction--something the internally conflicted Zuko finds himself unable to pull off. However in the end Azula seems to have no difficulties wielding it even while in the middle of [[Villainous Breakdown|emotional turmoil]]. Either she's just that good (she ''is'' a prodigy that bends hotter blue flames), the power-boosting [[Comet of Doom]] in the sky had something to do with it, or she has no internal conflict at all about being a psychotic sociopath.
*** The lightning does show something resembling internal inconsistency in the final episodes, though. Supposedly it can only be generated by a firebender who can clear his mind of emotion and distraction—something the internally conflicted Zuko finds himself unable to pull off. However in the end Azula seems to have no difficulties wielding it even while in the middle of [[Villainous Breakdown|emotional turmoil]]. Either she's just that good (she ''is'' a prodigy that bends hotter blue flames), the power-boosting [[Comet of Doom]] in the sky had something to do with it, or she has no internal conflict at all about being a psychotic sociopath.
**** So Azula achieved some kind of [[Ansem Retort|Reverse Nirvana]]?
**** So Azula achieved some kind of [[Ansem Retort|Reverse Nirvana]]?
** Fire produced by firebending doesn't seem to work in the way real-world fire does. I.e. it has concussive force, can burn in the air without fuel etc. This is mostly accepted because whilst not being portrayed ''realistically'' it is portrayed ''consistently''. Even Combustion Man's <s>exploding death-ray</s>sparky sparky boom ray is, [[All There in the Manual|according to the Nickelodeon Site]], something he was born with that allows him to focus his firebending to an extreme level. It also appears that it is that ''only'' form of firebending he is capable of. [[Crippling Overspecialization|With deadly results...]]
** Fire produced by firebending doesn't seem to work in the way real-world fire does. I.e. it has concussive force, can burn in the air without fuel etc. This is mostly accepted because whilst not being portrayed ''realistically'' it is portrayed ''consistently''. Even Combustion Man's <s>exploding death-ray</s>sparky sparky boom ray is, [[All There in the Manual|according to the Nickelodeon Site]], something he was born with that allows him to focus his firebending to an extreme level. It also appears that it is that ''only'' form of firebending he is capable of. [[Crippling Overspecialization|With deadly results...]]