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In chapter 50, Igarashi Tora goes through a whole production of asking Misaki to date him. Misaki is, of course, too [[Tsundere]] to just out and say that she's already in love with someone else... so she fumbles through a refusal based on social status which is set up to cause friction between herself and Usui. So... what happened to "no, because ''you tried to rape me, you asshole''"?
* I haven't read far enough into this series to see these scenes, but I have seen enough of the [[Near -Rape Experience]] trope in manga to chalk this sort of thing up to [[Values Dissonance]]. It even happens in some of the all-time great romance comedy manga (including [[Maison Ikkoku]] and [[Video Girl Ai (Manga)|Video Girl Ai]], and it's toyed with in [[Kimagure Orange Road]] but ultimately subverted there), and the aggressors are the otherwise likable and sympathetic male leads. I'd just presume that the reason Misaki doesn't find her own [[Near -Rape Experience]] worth mentioning, as a reason to reject Igarashi, is because she's Japanese. Now, if Igarashi didn't actually stop ''himself'', but rather had to be stopped by someone else, then I'm wrong here and we're talking about a different situation.
** I'll refrain from spoiling specifics, but in brief, it ''was'' [[Attempted Rape]] and not a [[Near -Rape Experience]], Igarashi did ''not'' stop himself, he did prove himself to be a generally two-faced and unlikeable human being and Misaki was pretty well pissed off at him over it at the time. I'll allow for [[Values Dissonance]] and Japanese culture informing her attitude, but even with that, it still seems like it would be the first reason to come to mind to refuse him when he asked her out, especially since they'd had no real positive interaction between incidents that would soften Misaki's opinion.
*** Okay, in that case I totally agree; that does indeed look like something by which to be bugged.
* Personally, I would say that this has more to do with her own character than any kind of [[Values Dissonance]]. Misaki has more or less defined herself as a strong, independent and capable woman who [[Does Not Like Men|doesn’t need men]] for anything at all, which is why she’s a very “tsuntsun” violent tsundere to begin with. Thus, with this background, it’s no wonder that she would rather die than actually acknowledge that Igarashi did in fact manage to overpower her (after all, the whole point of the [[Attempted Rape]] scene was him trying to prove his power to her); and while it’s true that she considers him a complete [[Jerkass]], she also does pity him for being a [[Lonely Rich Kid|lonely]] [[Screw the Rules, I Have Money|rich kid]] [[Rich Bitch|with issues]]. Also, as seen on this [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/kaichou_wa_maid_sama/v11/c050/24.html page], at first she looks angered and probably about to react aggressively at him, but when she realizes that he actually looks pretty serious for a change (which is probably part of his act as always, but with him it’s hard to tell), her mood changes and she gets taken aback, which would explain why she wasn’t directly dismissive of the whole affair (with a: "no, because you tried to rape me, you asshole") and instead considered the potential implications of someone asking her out (since she already likes someone) which of course made her even more awkward, thus leading to her just spluttering excuses for her refusal. Of course, ultimately, we all know that the main point of the whole scene was both to cause friction between herself and Usui and to establish Igarashi even more than before as a complete [[Manipulative Bastard]], but that’s beside the point.
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* [[Your Mileage May Vary]] on this one. She's softened toward Usui and become much less aggressively misandrist after recognizing and having to correct several foulups with the guys of Seika, but I don't see that she's become a "whimpering mess." (Blushing a lot is par for the course for any tsundere.)
* Indeed, you can't have a tsundere without the actual deredere you know. And besides, she’s still strong and independent, it’s just that she has now learned that regardless of how strong and capable she is, doing absolutely everything by herself is not healthy at all; and besides, there’s a big difference between trusting others and being able to work in tandem with them to actually being weak or incapable, which is actually the whole point of the development of her “president persona” (at least in my opinion).
* Wow, dude. [[Real Women Never Wear Dress|Real women never wear dresses]] much? So a girl can't even develop from being a total island of a [[Straw Feminist|straw feminist]] to a still-independent, but now realizes she sometimes needs help and to work with others who also realizes that not all men are [[Always ChaoticExclusively Evil|alwaysExclusively chaotic evilEvil?]]
 
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[https://web.archive.org/web/20110918065806/http://read.homeunix.com/onlinereading/?image=Kaichou%20wa%20Maid%20sama/Kaichou%2FKaichou%20wa%20Maid%20sama%20c046/16%2F16.png&server=nas.html Usui is explaining his heritage, so spoilers ahead.] {{spoiler|He says his grandparents' home is in England, so why is the arrow pointing to Wales? Is that just a mistake on the writer's part, or is Usui saying that [[You Fail Geography Forever|Wales is just the English countryside]]?}}
* I don't think it's supposed to be pointing to Wales specifically, just the UK in general.
 
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