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Sitting on the opposite end of the spectrum from [[Camp Gay]], [[Manly Gay]] is when a homosexual male character is shown not only in lacking [[Camp]] or feminine traits, but kept going in the opposite direction and [[Rated "M" for Manly|into the realm of pure masculinity]].

A character who is [[Manly Gay]] is the complete opposite of the [[Camp]] stereotype. Typically such characters are large and strong, and shown doing masculine things like sports and working class jobs. He may have a [[Carpet of Virility]], he may be a [[Badass]], or he may have [[Stout Strength]]...but regardless of how he got here, the result is the same: While being gay, he's manlier than your average man, straight or [[~~Straight~~ ~~Gay~~]].

A character who is [[Manly Gay]] is the complete opposite of the [[Camp]] stereotype. Typically such characters are large and strong, and shown doing masculine things like sports and working class jobs. He may have a [[Carpet of Virility]], he may be a [[Badass]], or he may have [[Stout Strength]]...but regardless of how he got here, the result is the same: While being gay, he's manlier than your average man, straight or [[Invisible to Gaydar]].

This is a stereotype more associated with modern gay porn, but is also a certain distilled ideal of gay men that appeals more often to other gay men -- one of the reasons it ''has'' become so associated with gay porn. Such characters also appear in other works as a means of telling a [[Gay Aesop]] about homosexuals not all being flaming queens. [[Manly Gay]] characters are often seen as a form of [[~~Straight~~ ~~Gay~~]] by some (especially Western) audiences, while a gay stereotype in and of itself to others (especially Eastern audiences).

This is a stereotype more associated with modern gay porn, but is also a certain distilled ideal of gay men that appeals more often to other gay men -- one of the reasons it ''has'' become so associated with gay porn. Such characters also appear in other works as a means of telling a [[Gay Aesop]] about homosexuals not all being flaming queens. [[Manly Gay]] characters are often seen as a form of [[Invisible to Gaydar]] by some (especially Western) audiences, while a gay stereotype in and of itself to others (especially Eastern audiences).

Compare with [[~~Straight~~ ~~Gay~~]]. If the character is stereotypically [[Camp]] or [[Played for Laughs]], then he's actually [[Macho Camp]]. May be [[The Bear]], a [[Big Beautiful Man]], a [[Leather Man]] or a [[Gay Cowboy]]. Many a [[Gayngster]] qualifies. May also be an [[Armored Closet Gay]]. Is also commonly a [[Badass Gay]]. See also [[Bara Genre]], the genre where Manly Gay men... have fun with one another. Also see [[Lipstick Lesbian]] for this trope's [[Distaff Counterpart]].

Compare with [[Invisible to Gaydar]]. If the character is stereotypically [[Camp]] or [[Played for Laughs]], then he's actually [[Macho Camp]]. May be [[The Bear]], a [[Big Beautiful Man]], a [[Leather Man]] or a [[Gay Cowboy]]. Many a [[Gayngster]] qualifies. May also be an [[Armored Closet Gay]]. Is also commonly a [[Badass Gay]]. See also [[Bara Genre]], the genre where Manly Gay men... have fun with one another. Also see [[Lipstick Lesbian]] for this trope's [[Distaff Counterpart]].

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== [[Comic Books]] ==

* Apollo and the Midnighter (Apollo is slightly less exaggeratedly tough and may be more of a [[~~Straight~~ ~~Gay~~]]) from ''[[The Authority]]''.

* Apollo and the Midnighter (Apollo is slightly less exaggeratedly tough and may be more of a [[Invisible to Gaydar]]) from ''[[The Authority]]''.

* By implication, Hooded Justice and Captain Metropolis from ''[[Watchmen]]''.

* Bloke from ''[[X-Force]]'', an avid bodybuilder and especially brutal vigilante. He also has [[Macho Camp]] elements (pink skin, said to have great taste in home decoration, very romantic with his boyfriend), but he was primarily a big strong man who happened to be gay.

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* Dave Karofsky from ''[[Glee]]''; the guys at the gay bar even call him a "[[The Bear|bear cub]]."

* [[Gayngster|Sam Adama]] from ''[[Caprica]]''

* Bob Hunter from ''[[Desperate Housewives]]''. Taller and a tad more muscular than his husband, Lee Mc Dermott. Both can be considered as [[~~Straight~~ ~~Gay~~]] though.

* Bob Hunter from ''[[Desperate Housewives]]''. Taller and a tad more muscular than his husband, Lee Mc Dermott. Both can be considered as [[Invisible to Gaydar]] though.

* Wade and Trey from ''[[Noah's Arc]]'', especially Wade who definitely plays up his masculinity (at least early on).

* Riley from [[Degrassi]], also overlapping with [[~~Straight~~ ~~Gay~~]]. Sam also most certainly counts, though he only showed up for one episode and Dylan, Marco's boyfriend.

* Riley from [[Degrassi]], also overlapping with [[Invisible to Gaydar]]. Sam also most certainly counts, though he only showed up for one episode and Dylan, Marco's boyfriend.

== [[Music]] ==

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* Rock Hudson was the picture of manliness in the 50s. So much so, that his agent Henry Willson did everything in his power to stop the tabloids from ruining that image, go so far as to throw his other clients to the tabloids rather than let them get their hands on Rock Hudson's dirty little secret. He finally quelled the rumors in the form of [[The Beard|a beard]] named Phyllis Gates. They married and had two kids, but their marriage lasted less than 3 years when she found out he had an affair with another man. But with a divorce under his belt, Hudson was in the clear. Some even speculated that Phyllis went along with the charade for so long because she was a closet lesbian and he was her merkin (the lesbian version of a Beard).

* Rugby players [http://www.newsphotos.com.au/ImageDetail.asp?RefNum=97098163 Ian Roberts] and [[wikipedia:Gareth Thomas (rugby player)|Gareth Thomas]]

* English Columnist and provocateur [http://www.marksimpson.com Mark Simpson], who coined the term [[Camp Straight|"Metrosexual"]] as a ''derision'' and suffered the subsequent [[Insult Backfire]], lies somewhere between this and [[~~Straight~~ ~~Gay~~]].

* English Columnist and provocateur [http://www.marksimpson.com Mark Simpson], who coined the term [[Camp Straight|"Metrosexual"]] as a ''derision'' and suffered the subsequent [[Insult Backfire]], lies somewhere between this and [[Invisible to Gaydar]].

* ''The Butch Factor'' is a documentary that analyzes the aspect of masculinity in gay culture. It has good examples of manly gays as well as some [[~~Straight~~ ~~Gay~~|straight-acting]] and [[Camp Gay|Camp Gays]]. It can be watched on [[Logo]] [http://www.logotv.com/video/the-butch-factor/1635466/playlist.jhtml here].

* ''The Butch Factor'' is a documentary that analyzes the aspect of masculinity in gay culture. It has good examples of manly gays as well as some [[Invisible to Gaydar|straight-acting]] and [[Camp Gay|Camp Gays]]. It can be watched on [[Logo]] [http://www.logotv.com/video/the-butch-factor/1635466/playlist.jhtml here].

* [[Monty Python|Graham Chapman]] took one look at the camp stereotype, said "No, thank you" and took up rock climbing, pipe smoking and [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|being a doctor]]. He also liked playing rugby and by most counts was pretty good at it.

* [[John Barrowman]]. He had to be, considering he's from [[Violent Glaswegian|Glasgow]]. Didn't stop him from making his name in the theatre, and he's known to switch between this and [[Camp Gay]] depending on the situation.