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Slenderman stalks Alex because he's protecting him from the Masked man who we never see on Alex's film but is possibly stalking Alex. He then left and Slenderman began protecting Jay. The Masked Man is a psychopath and is now hunting Jay. He realizes he has to kill Slenderman first. He Kills Slenderman after the events of Return. In entry 14, Slenderman does not attack Alex, but he stops The Masked Man who had already began attacking Alex, this was The Masked Man's first encounter with Slenderman so he was frightened. This also assumes that the Masked Man is Tim. We see Slenderman in entry 23 but it is possible it is his corpse.

* Slender man is obviously a scary figure just by looking at him, and a complete outcast, maybe he was even a human who was cursed. Obviously, with everyone afraid of him, he lacks any social contact at all, and this gets to him, no one has expressed such an interest in him as Alex has, and Slender Man leaps at the oppurtunity for a friend...only, Slender Man has absolutely no social skills, and with Edward-esque logic, stalks Alex in hopes of contacting him and gaining the one thing he truly wants-a friend. In Entry 14, Slender Man goes into Alex's room, yet doesn't kill him, or apparently, do anything to wake him up. My therory could fit in as Alex hit his head on the wall, and Slender Man went to care for him. Awwwww. also can explain why in the mythos, Slender Man always has his hands out. Poor guy just wants a hug.

The Masked Man isn't totheark, they're separate people with separate goals; though both are opposed to Slender Man, totheark is equally opposed to Masky.

== Slender Man will cause [[The End of the World Asas We Know It]] ==

* [https://web.archive.org/web/20141111030449/http://iamslenderman.blogspot.com/2010/02/give-me-20-dollars.html Confirmed!] Although he's lately been telling people to, instead of giving him $20, give it to those poor Hatian orphans that he presumable can't [[Mind Rape]] and disembowel because none of them own handheld videocameras and all their notebooks are soggy. Good for you, Slendy, helping with the earthquake relief!

Random warpings through space and time? And a stalker who always seems to be there yet you never see it?

* Alternatively, the pills are [[John Dies Atat the End|Soy Sauce]]

== The Slender Man is attracted to cameras, or can track his victims by them.'' ==

== Slendy is just trying to save the environment. ==

** so he's a [[Genius: The Transgression (Tabletop Game)|Clockstopper]]?

While the fact that totheark is nucking futs is not exactly a secret, and said quality could easily explain why he attacked J in entry 18, it's too easy of an answer. Something doesn't add up. Consider the following: in the very next entry, totheark can be seen in J's room, but he's not attacking J. He's just...hovering around, watching him, doing nothing. If totheark wanted to hurt J he could have done so right then and there; slit his throat or summoned the Slender Man to eat him, as simple as that. But he didn't. What if, right at that moment in Entry 18, when totheark attacked, the Slender Man was about to appear behind J- and totheark shoved him out of the way?

When thinking about the subject at hand, most people assume it has to be one of the two; but no matter which one you claim burned J's house down, it doesn't make sense. Totheark may be crazy, but his particular brand of crazy isn't destructive. The idea that totheark is trying to harm J doesn't make sense, as you can see in Entry 19 TTA snuck into J's room and spied on him for hours, ''but he didn't hurt him at all.'' And then, in Entry 26, TTA goes through all the trouble to give J a new lead on Alex's disappearance and tell him where to go next, all in one fell swoop. Either TTA is schizophrenic and doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'help', or Totheark is not responsible.

In entry #26, Jay mentions that he "hasn't been thinking about it" and feels a lot better, his sickness going away with his paranoia. Furthermore, look at Alex's reaction to his girlfriend; at first, he seems like he honestly ''doesn't remember'' he still had his camera, and attempts to just dismiss it rather than bring up more questions about it. Also, look at Alex's face when the video tears. He's obviously remembering Slendy and everything he went through, and a few seconds later, BAM there's Slendy.

Think about it. When Alex first started encountering Slenderman when he was shooting, doesn't it make sense that he would tell his friends (or someone) that he was being stalked by an obscenely tall, faceless being? Even if he was [[Genre Savvy|smart]] enough to know that no one would believe him if he started mentioning monsters, he would still at least tell his friends someone was following him. So at least one of Slendy's appearances in the entries is actually a friend attempting to scare the hell out of Alex.

Now ask yourself, how can one create what is obviously a live, moving man with no face?

There was the one that worked on the ''[[Marble Hornets]]'' set, and the one the other kept at bay, [[Meaningful Background Event|hiding]] [[Better Onon DVD|in]] [[Freeze -Frame Bonus|the background]], just... waiting...

The Slenderman is a malformed Weeping Angel from [[Doctor Who (TV)|Doctor Who]]. ''Don't blink.''

* And, because the Eleventh Doctor series reveals that an image of a charged Angel becomes an Angel itself, that explains why Slenderman followed the tapes. ...Oh, dear, is this going to be like the time [[The Ring|Samara]] [[Xkcd (Webcomic)|got uploaded to the internet]]?

Years of exposure to Gingold Extract have caused him to [http://en.[wikipedia.org/wiki/Elongated_Man:Elongated Man|develop unusually long, slightly elastic limbs]]. The memory alteration is a result of him using a colorless smoke (filtered by his mask) that erases short-term memory and makes people susceptible to being convinced of false memories, and the tape editing is done with magnets, swiping the tapes and editing them, or (in some cases) both. The Masked Man, and totheark (or ''one of'' the tothearks), [[Epileptic Trees|may be]] Renee Montoya-- the only person who knows Slenderman's true identity, and that the original Question survives.

The Slender Man is beyond the comprehension of humans, but unfortunately this means humans are beyond the comprehension of him. He drives people insane so that they can operate halfway between his insane logic and human logic. For example, despite J's interest in the tapes, the Slender Man needed to catch his scent before he could properly stalk J. Masky helped by luring J back to the house and visiting J's apartment to help "infect" it.

However, this clearly has debilitating effects. totheark is clearly insane and suffers from epileptic seizures. Being around Slender Man wears people out fast. The Slender Man wants Alex and/or J to be his new liaisons. Maybe one or both of them is special in a way that will cause them to last longer than Masky is or maybe they're just better equipped to approach the Slender Man's thought patterns. It's possible this entire process was merely Slender Man vetting his candidates.

== The thing stalking the main characters is one of the [[Changeling: The Lost (Tabletop Game)|True Fae]]. ==

== The Slender Man is a [[Team Fortress 2 (Video Game)|Spy]]. ==

Thus, he is left to try and decoy them away somehow; he is likely aware of the differences between our world and [[Team Fortress 2 (Video Game)|his,]] so he knows if he just backstabs them, the cops will get too close. Audio and video constantly distorts because he, instead, uses his cloak to sneak sappers onto the filming equipment.

It's possible the Spy is specifically [[Cuanta Vida (Webcomic)|Rojo,]] as he's certainly sadistic enough to mess with a bunch of poor fast-approaching-broken-down people like this.

Slender-Man comes from an alternate universe, one where ''everything'' works differently: space, time, physics, light, sound, everything. As such, his bizarre interactions are his honestly best effort to interact with us, specifically through J, counting on J to put the videos of him on the Internet. Why is he trying so hard to communicate when it's nigh impossible to get across a coherent message? Because he's trying to warn us about something dangerous coming, possibly from his universe. Let me say that again: Slender-Man destroys reality with his mere presence, drives anybody who sees him insane, is [[Chaotic Neutral]] at best, and he's ''terrified'' and trying to warn us about something ''worse''. We are so fucked.

== The Slender Man is Arakune from [[Blaz BlueBlazBlue]]... ==

It's not hard to imagine [[https://web.archive.org/web/20120914180017/http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Games/B/BlazBlue<!-- 20Calamity20Trigger%20Calamity%20Trigger/Everything%20Else/BlazBlue%20character%20feature/ART/Finished/Arakune1--article_image.jpg Arakune]] being the thing we keep getting vague glimpses of. It's entirely possible that in some iterations of the GroundhogDayLoop[[Groundhog Day Loop]], he's caught in the time warp and just sent back even further than Ragna/Nu/the Black Beast and Jin. He's just playing with his food before he eats it; he's not drawn to the camera, pe se, but he's drawn to content creators like Alex and J because their creativity makes them tastier. The fact that he's an amorphous blob of goo [[http://www.fightersgeneration.com/np5/blaz-cs/art/arakune-cs.jpeg explains how he could encapsulate all the many slight variations]] of Slender Man descriptions. Totheark is also Arakune but during his less (or more, depending on how you look at it) lucid moments: the apparent teleportation and lightning-fast way he pounces on Jay are just Arakune's natural abilities. Much like he normally thinks he's speaking clearly when he isn't, he thinks he's succeeded at forcing himself into a more stable, humanoid form and makes a better mask for it, but in reality, the mask is even worse and his humanoid appearance dives straight into the uncanny valley with the bizarre seizures and erratic body language. -->

So what happened that the other four lost their memory? They didn't. Each one of them ''including Jay'' fell under the thrall of the Slender Man (either to gain power from him, or to become a cult to fight him) and became one of the masked figures as sen in Entry ######. But somehow, Jay broke free and ''actually did'' lose his memory. That is why totheark tells Jay to "come back to us", he's trying to get him to remember.

== The [https://web.archive.org/web/20160320025154/http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f384/axels_red_rose/fourmaskies.png Four Maskies] are the entire cast of Marble Hornets ==

** It's possible all of them- or at least Tim- are also totheark, trying to contact Jay, who has amnesia about even more things that aren't on camera.

== Totheark just wanted to make a [[YoutubeYouTube Poop]] of Very Bad Fanfiction ==

This would explain why he rarely ever attacks someone physically- he doesn't ''need'' to, he just needs to make them [[Memetic Mutation|shit brix.]]

Soon after totherark warned J that "control will be taken away from (him)", J finds himself somewhere else with no memory of the previous months. Coincidence? I doubt it

This future just happens to have extremely tall humans, and puts great stock in student films of questionable quality?

Firstly, entry 26 seems to have footage of [https://web.archive.org/web/20160320025154/http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f384/axels_red_rose/fourmaskies.png up to four different Masked Men]. They even have different masks. Could this be where Alex, Tim, Jay and Sarah have ended up?

By the look of things, it looks like Alex killed Masky. So then who attacked Jay in the Motel room? Unless you-know-who survived and is either pissed, or stupid enough to come back after Jay. But there's a chance that Alex assumed Masky's identity and is now pursuing Jay to get his hands on the tapes.

== Totheark is [[Ben Drowned (Web Video)|Jadusable, BEN or Majora]] ==

* Well perhaps Slendy, sensing Tim was the weakest of the group, stalked him mercilessly until he became a knife weilding maniac and it was Tim that made Brian/Sarah/everyone else disappear.

** He should really work on his gift giving skills. Insanity isn't something most people want for a belated birthday present.

He told her to get as far away as she could, because [[ItsIt's Not You, ItsIt's My Enemies]]. That's why she's never brought up again. Alex didn't forget about her; [[Shoo the Dog|he just wanted to avoid dragging her into his problems]]. And Jay didn't know her, not to mention he has plenty of other things on his mind; unless she's tagging along with Alex, he has no real reason to be thinking about it.

== [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/[Yu-Gi-OhTheAbridgedSeriesOh!: The Abridged Series|Concrete Giraffes]] is in continuity of Marble Hornets ==

== totheark is [[Friday (Musicsong)|Rebecca Black]] ==

* In a similar vein, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAtkEOrp6Hg Joseph Plays a Trumpet] is also part of this delusional life. However, this incident takes place before "Joseph Writes a Paper," when he is only just beginning to slip into madness. The incident is shown from Jay's point of view. Over time Alex begins to indulge in more and more bizarre and apparently pointless activities, and Jay always remains cheerful when asking what he's doing because he knows Alex needs time to recover mentally. But for the first time Alex lashes out in an extremely irrational and hostile way, much to Jay's shock. During this outburst Jay first begins to suspect that his friend has lost his grip on reality, due to Alex's continued insistence that Jay's room is actually ''his'' room. Afterwards Jay starts trying to bring his friend back to reality. He begins with small gentle reminders but gradually grows more insistent and intrusive in an attempt to snap Alex out of it - leading to the events of "Joseph Writes a Paper."

While it could be plausable that Timasky is totheark, I find it a bit hard to believe that there happened to be two Maskies in the exact same woods at the exact same time without Jay noticing anything. And not to mention that this one seems to want to encourage him to continue whereas Timasky wants to hurt or scare him away. Just like totheark's videos only seem to be taunting him and whoever films it never really seems to want to hurt him, they only want him to know that they're there.

In entry #39, we meet a new character who appears to be a new version of Masky. He stands outside J's car while he's sleeping and watches him. In that same entry, J recieves a call from Alex telling him to meet him at the park. J arrives but doesn't find him. Maybe Alex was there all along, but was hiding. Also, in entry #41, after J's {{spoiler |close encounter with the Operator}} and J drops his camera, someone comes along, picks up J's camera and takes it back to J's car. This is where we get our first actual look at new Masky. So either Alex is disgiusing himself to secretly aid J, or he is now under the Operator's control. Another clue that Alex isn't himself is that in entry #35, when the first Masky is revealed to be {{spoiler |Tim}}, Alex grabs the rock and smashes Masky's leg. He might have done that just to stop Masky from attacking his friend, but I have a feeling that the Operator knew that Masky had failed him, if they were working together. So he takes a new associate to help him. The reason why Masky/{{spoiler |Tim}} attacks J in entry # 33 is because he is still trying to prove that he can help the Operator stop J, for whatever reason he wants to. However, Alex might also be helping J, while pretending the help the Operator. In entry #38, J and Alex are walking through the woods. Alex tells J about the methods the townspeople would use to dispose of criminals, tieing them to trees and stretching them out so their limbs were distended and enlongated. Sound familiar? So Alex could be providing subtle hints to J about the Operator's past, as well as possible ways to destroy him once and for all.

Blasky is too tall to be Jessica or Tim, and too broad shouldered to be Alex.

== Blasky is [[Todd in Thethe Shadows]] ==

* Um... that makes too much sense. Coupled with the fact that many people believe [[Atop the Fourth Wall (Web Video)|The Entity]] to be Slender Man, I think we've got a crossover brewing.

== The Operator is a [[X -Men|mutant]]! ==

That's right, not even The Operator has all the answers, and he's tired of screwing around. Jay and the others have some kind of significance, something special, that he can't figure out.

They're all missing in the present, and Jay had a huge period of time between seasons to do anything and conveniently "forget" about it. Jay didn't start Marble Hornets to post the footage, he started Marble Hornets to get help from the internet to get the Operator off his back. The truth is that Jay is a heartless murderer, but he needs the input of other people to deal with the Operator, Masky, and totheark. He disposes of them when they are no longer useful.

Seth, Brian, and Sarah were liabilities from the start, useless for dealing with the situation and possible candidates for Masky and totheark. He killed Sarah and Brian in an unrecorded scene, and stalked Alex and Seth while they were in the burned out building. He knew that the Operator would show up eventually due to the presence of the camera, and used this as a distraction to grab Seth and kill him in a darkened area. Alex was still needed, so Jay left after that. Later, after finding Alex and Amy again, he killed Amy once they became separated during the season break. Jay used this to gain leverage over Alex, whom he suspected to have information he was not divulging about the Operator. At some point after that and before the beginning of the second season, he either got what he wanted out of Alex or got tired of everything and killed him.

Jessica's important for some reason. Maybe because she got away when Slenderman was at the house and now Slenderman's hunting them all down. Alex wasn't looking to make sure Jessica was okay. Maybe he was in control of Slenderman and using the "amy" excuse as a lie to get her comfortable enough to come see him and get captured.

== The [https://web.archive.org/web/20170511092840/http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=20250&thumb=1 "Panda face"] from Entry #22 is {{spoiler|Masky #2 from Entry #45}} ==

Why else do you think he likes popping in and out of Alex's room? It all makes sense now.

1.) Tim didn't hurt Jay when he teleported into Jay's bedroom because he was trying it out for himself. That's where Jay disappeared to, it was a date. Jay just claims he can't remember because he doesn't want to admit that just for a second he dug a guy that liked watching him sleep. It made him feel like Bella Swan.

With his bare hands.

After putting enough influence onto any person Slender Man can make them transform. The Slender Sickness is the first signs of this; then they choose their new “face” because their human one doesn’t feel right anymore, they start wearing the same clothes because they are the only things that feel comfortable (or they just don’t care about fashion, keeping clean). After enough time they begin the proper transformation into Slendies themselves, gaining all of his powers in the process. As we have seen in Entry 19, Masky has started to effect the tapes.

We already know he has Tim, not to mention the other unnamed masks, but he wants Alex to be the next. Masky disagrees, though, and would prefer to have Jay as a younger brother in the happy family.

== The Maskies are members of [[Torchwood: Miracle Day (TV)|The Soulless.]] ==

His mind has taken a strain on his encounters with the Operator, and has forced a split personality. The black outs in memory he has is not from the Operator, but his personality switching. As we can see J is more competent (in some ways) in what we see of the moments he doesn't remember. His totheark personality knows it is a split, and uses the information it finds to keep J safe and alive when he recedes back into the depths of J's mind.

The Operator has no real physical form, and is using physical entities to do his busy work by addling their minds

and using their insane or heavily confused state and the power of suggestion to have them carry out his plan, whatever it may be.

Alex is the last to count being converted it seems, and J is now completely on his own and on his way to the depths of the madhouse.

It's past midnight, so bear with me here. Slendy is a representation of the Trauma. It haunts people, it makes them sick, it makes them repress memories, and take medicine, and cut others off. The maskies...I don't know. Perhaps they are people that want to 'help' but fail at doing so and therefore make it worse. Maybe they represent people that have succombed to the trauma.

We can see that Alex was acting highly unstable throughout the series, and has shown an extremely violent streak, but we have always assumed that this was just an effect of the Operator. However we have not seen the increasingly hostile, angry and otherwise paranoid behavior in Jay, Jessica, or any other set member to anywhere near the same extent aside from Maskie (which i will get back to later). While it is possible that this is simply due to Alex's greater "exposure" (which if Alex's comment in #22 of Jay being "gone" indicates that Jay was previously exposed to the Operator is in itself false), maybe there is another factor at play which explains this.

In my opinion, the Operator himself, while the key factor in events, is little but a red herring to the actual story, aimed to distract Jay (and the by proxy the audience) from what is really going on.

Amid these events, "the Operator" came into play. Alex saw him when he was committing his crimes (Alex's reason for seeking him in #2 because the operator "scared his dog" just seems a little off), or was already being stalked by him (as #37 would indicate), and is thus terrified of him both because of him being well... the operator, and because it saw what he did, but also obsessed with him as the operator reminds him of what he did, both exiting him and filling him with guilt.

It is also possible that he has been manipulating the events for his own reasons like removing memories of important events from characters apart from Alex in order to ensure they do not find out his crimes until he has done this so many times, they build up a resistance to this, but go insane and become a Maskie instead. on this note if he has been stalking Alex his whole life, he may indeed be the cause of his psychosis.

== "The Ark" is the [[Doctor Who (TV)|Genesis Ark]] ==

Or a similar piece of Time Lord technology. Inside, is either The Operator's imprisoned race, or the [[Eldritch Abomination]] that Slendy is part of. He is called "The Operator" because he's the only one who can properly use it.

Assuming that enttry 37 was posted by totheark. Start by removing 37 and putting together both the title and the caption. You are left with "enttry memories". Now remove every letter that was in "totheark". You are left with "ny memis" Now rearrange the letters. "NY Seimem" Remove half of each of the m's in Seimem and you're left with "(NN) NY Seinen". Now we can put all the pieces together. NY, like, New York, like the state. THE STATE IN THE UNITED STATES. '' '''N'''aota '''N'''andaba, a character on a '''[[Fooly CoolyFLCL|SEINEN]]''' series, has a brother who WENT TO THE UNITED STATES. Naota Nandaba is totheark.

The characters in Marble Hornets the student film all have the same names in Marble Hornets the web series. Brian plays a character named Brian, Tim plays Tim, and Sarah plays Sarah, etc. Back when they were all in high school the group of friends accidentally woke up/summoned The Operator. Brian moved away and it all stopped. Years later, Brian came back but no one could remember anything. (Or alternately, Brian doesn't even remember leaving.)

{{spoiler|Committing homicide}} served as a [[Moral Event Horizon|sanity event horizon]] of sorts, completely removing the possibility that he might eventually realize how he's been acting and snap out of it. The best foreseeable fate for him is a [[Dying Asas Yourself]] scene.

He's simply trying to protect J. As seen in Entry #49, {{spoiler|Alex has fits of rage and violence, which caused him to murder a completely random stranger who just so happened to walk by}}. In the next entry (50), J is going to most likely be meeting up with Alex at the park again. Alex will {{spoiler|attempt to kill J, but Masky will pull a [[Big Damn Heroes]] moment!}}

== The Operator is a [[Doctor Who (TV)|Silent]] ==

He was being physically ''drawn in'' by it. Meaning either forcibly magnetized by its powers or one of its powers is telekinesis of some sort, then subsequently thrown around Jessica's hotel room. We already know it can teleport, so why not?

After Jay and Jessica escaped, Masky was able to wrestle the gun away from Alex, and then shot him in the leg (in an echo back to Alex breaking his own leg). After this happened he abandoned him in the mill to be taken by the Operator in revenge for Alex presumably doing the same to him (as hinted in #51), and to his friends.

It'd be a nice callback if it belonged to Brian.

== [[The Angry Video Game Nerd (Web Video)|James]] [[James Rolfe|Rolfe]] is involved somehow. ==

He's still an inhuman abomination, just one that teaches film production. He's an extremely devoted teacher, and likes to watch his students as they work on projects. Alex knew that his professor was watching him, which made him progressively more nervous, explaining his behavior during the project. Eventually he became convinced he would fail the class, so he tried to bribe his professor with a human sacrifice {{spoiler|(Brian)}}. Eventually he couldn't handle the stress anymore and dropped out of film school. Slenderman knew that Alex was a good student and could succeed if he applied himself, so he started stalking Alex, trying to convince him to go back to school. Alex put that part of his life behind him and moved away, and Slenderman finally gave up on him. That is, until Amy found the camera. When he sensed that Alex's old camera was getting use, Slenderman assumed that Alex had taken up film again and went to his house to encourage him. He since found out about Jay's Youtube project and realized that he has a knack for film too, and is now trying to convince him to go back to film school, too.

He messes up video and audio as well as corrupts memories. Pretty soon, Alex and Jay will find an multiplied amount of sixth item in their bag slot.

** This one, at least, is confirmed.

The Operator is the personification of, or his behavior is influenced by, the criminals in the woods. Some of those people were child molesters. Child molesters target their victims when they are young, hold influence over them, and could manipulate children into leading other children to them. The Operator could create a kind of [[Stockholm Syndrome]] situation to get some of his victims on his side using his mental influence over his - this is how Alex fell under his control. He also kills people or gets his minions to kill people because he's been influenced by murderers as well. The [[Maskies/To The Ark|To The Ark]] were also targeted by him when they were young, but resisted his influence and joined together to fight back aganist him and the ones who fell to his side. He is really a mindless [[EldrichEldritch Abomination]] whose only instincts are to stalk, hurt, manipulate, and kill.

He's been a victim of [[Demonic Possession]] this whole time, and season 3 will have him [[Dying Asas Yourself]]. There will be a [[Plot Twist]] that Jay has been possessed on numerous occasions and has committed crimes as much as Alex, or he is also a Masky and does not remember. Disappearances i.e. Entry #24 have been occurring off screen the whole time for many of the characters. Just moreso for Alex.

The Marble Hornets crew have been insistent on calling their friendly neighbourhood abomination the Operator, not Slender Man. There's the link between pressing the zero button on a phone and the Operator's symbol, [[The Blank|a zero with an 'x' through it]]. But now with entry #57, and all this business increasingly centering around an abandoned ''hospital''...oh my God, [[Mad Doctor|the]] [[Body Horror|Operator]].

First of all, it seems strange that the Operator would "empower" the Maskies and [[To The Ark]] to have the effect of Teleportation, Video Disruption and other such effects, when he also seems to be working through Alex to "harvest" victims", and that Alex and the Maskie/TTA crew despise Alex and want him dead.

He knows that Alex has been up to no good for years now. He knows about the existence of the Operator. And he knows what Jay is really up to. In fact, he probably follows the Marble Hornets channel just like the rest of us. And in fact, all this time, [[Hero of Another Story|he's been conducting an investigation into Alex and the Operator himself]]. However, Tim's methods have been a lot more subtle and secretive, and as such, he's been [[Obfuscating Stupidity|obfuscating ignorance]] in all of his recent interactions with Jay. Jay's a bit of a wild card, a [[Doom Magnet]] of sorts, and may not be entirely trustworthy, hence his caution.