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=== [[Meet the Robinsons (Disney)|Meet the Robinsons]] ===

* Okay. Originally when I first watched this, [[Fridge Logic]] made me wonder why, if Lewis saying "I will never invent you" changed the future to the point where Doris ceased to ever exist, why all of the "Robinson Family future" didn't fall apart as soon as he said he wasn't going to fix the memory scanner. But then, I realised they have, in fact, justified this with the foot-slip you hear in the very first part of the movie, as that shows us that ''the version of time that we're watching'' is the version where Lewis gives up and Wilbur Robinson goes back in time to fix things, assumedly a [[Stable Time Loop]] of sorts -- essentially, Lewis saying "I won't fix this" didn't change the future because that decision -- the decision to give up and not fix the scanner, forcing Wilbur to try and fix things -- is the decision that brought about the future that we see. HOWEVER, if this is so, then Bowler Hat Guy's (and by extension, Doris's) existence is necessary to force Wilbur Robinson back in time to bring about the future that we see, so declaring that he'd never invent Doris should have destroyed Lewis's "Robinson Family Future" as well, by ensuring that Bowler Hat Guy would never initiate the time travel that forces Lewis to try again with his memory scanner. A [[Timey Wimey Ball]] indeed.

* Okay. Originally when I first watched this, [[Fridge Logic]] made me wonder why, if Lewis saying "I will never invent you" changed the future to the point where Doris ceased to ever exist, why all of the "Robinson Family future" didn't fall apart as soon as he said he wasn't going to fix the memory scanner. But then, I realised they have, in fact, justified this with the foot-slip you hear in the very first part of the movie, as that shows us that ''the version of time that we're watching'' is the version where Lewis gives up and Wilbur Robinson goes back in time to fix things, assumedly a [[Stable Time Loop]] of sorts -- essentially, Lewis saying "I won't fix this" didn't change the future because that decision -- the decision to give up and not fix the scanner, forcing Wilbur to try and fix things -- is the decision that brought about the future that we see. HOWEVER, if this is so, then Bowler Hat Guy's (and by extension, Doris's) existence is necessary to force Wilbur Robinson back in time to bring about the future that we see, so declaring that he'd never invent Doris should have destroyed Lewis's "Robinson Family Future" as well, by ensuring that Bowler Hat Guy would never initiate the time travel that forces Lewis to try again with his memory scanner. A [[Timey-Wimey Ball]] indeed.

** WAIT. I'm having second thoughts. If Doris didn't exist, then no one would have been there to mess up his scanner the first time, so the future would, indeed, happen as Lewis had first seen it -- but none of the time travel would've happened! (Meaning he shouldn't remember it, for one thing -- meaning he might create Doris after all -- augh, [[Temporal Paradox]]!)

*** Not to mention that Lewis would have tested teh memory scanner on himself, and probably things wouldn't go like the end of the movie portrayed. Really, I stay with the [[Stable Time Loop]] theory.

** See [[Timey Wimey Ball]]. If you want to use logic in that scene, the fact that Lewis wouldn't invent Doris would mean nothing, as Doris already had future Goob invent her. Even if it did, in order for it to work like that, Time would have to have simply not realized that matters until Time heard Lewis point that out.

** See [[Timey-Wimey Ball]]. If you want to use logic in that scene, the fact that Lewis wouldn't invent Doris would mean nothing, as Doris already had future Goob invent her. Even if it did, in order for it to work like that, Time would have to have simply not realized that matters until Time heard Lewis point that out.

*** But Future Goob is not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. Without someone else first having concieved her, how could he have taken the credit for Doris's creation? Without a prototype to present to Inventco, he has nothing.

**** Both scenarios, though, involve the Robinson Family Future coming about, whether it's because of Doris' interference or not (it's reasonable to assume that Lewis would've let his soon-to-be adopted mother try the machine after he did, and that he might start a relationship with the frog girl even without knowing in advance he'll eventually marry her). In this way it's sort of a greater stable time loop that involves not only the movie but also the original timestream before Bowler Hat Guy and Doris interfered. The only way to break the time loop would be A) Doris and Bowler Hat Guy figure out a way to actually -win- in one of the repetitions of the loop, or B) Doris and Bowler Hat Guy don't steal the time machine but instead attempt to plot revenge without using time travel.