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** In the 1stfirst film, one of the victims says [[Big Bad|the Jigsaw Killer]] is "technically not a murderer" because he never kills anyone directly; he just puts them in situations where death is very likely. The point is really moot, as almost any jurisdiction would consider putting somebody in such a situation to be murder. ''Saw 2'' does at least have the [[Jerkass]] detective hero calls Jigsaw out on this defense: "putting a gun to someone's head and forcing him to pull the trigger is still murder."

** Without the murder charge, his actions usually qualify as assault, kidnapping, and torture, often with lasting damage even for the survivors - possibly a [[Fate Worse Than Death]] in some cases. Several of Jigsaw's disciples actually do commit straight-up murder in their games. But by the 6thsixth movie even the real Jigsaw seems to be having a hard time coming up with new "games" that actually leave his victims with a chance to survive. For example, half his games are of the "decide which one of these people will live or die" variety. Well, if one person is guaranteed to die, then you ''are'' committing murder because your trap is specifically designed to kill people without any hope of escape.

** In the 3rdthird movie, the victims were all helpless to save themselves and were reliant on the guy who ''had spent years plotting to kill them.'' Whatever happened to that whole 'testing their will to live' thing?

* Used in several of the ''[[Star Trek]]'' films, mostly by Spock. The later instances are call-backs to the first, from ''[[Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan|Star Trek II the Wrath of Khan]]'':

** [[Lampshade Hanging|Lampshaded]] repeatedly in ''[[Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country|Star Trek VI the Undiscovered Country]]'', for example:

'''{{spoiler|Valeris}}:''' I do not... remember.

** In ''[[Discworld/Small Gods|Small Gods]]'', Vorbis explains to Brutha that the claim that the Omnian priest sent to convert the Ephebians was killed by these ungodly savages represents a "deeper truth". According to Vorbis, this is ''much truer'' than the mundane truth, that the Ephebians listened, threw vegetables, then sent him away, and he was killed by the Quisition as an excuse to start a holy war.

** In ''[[Discworld/A Hat Full of Sky|A Hat Full of Sky]]'', "never lie, but don't always tell the truth" is among the pieces of advice Miss Tick gives Tiffany.

** ''[[Discworld/Monstrous Regiment|Monstrous Regiment]]'': "Upon my oath, I am not a dishonest/violent man.'' {{spoiler|Kind of hard to be a violent or dishonest man when you're actually a woman.}}

** Carrot does this surprisingly frequently when negotiating with hostile characters. However, he has never (as far as anyone can prove) told a direct lie. In fact, he has a tendency to use the truth as a weapon. Both he and his it's-complicated Angua have told someone impeding their progress that unless the person stands down, they'll be forced to carry out the orders they were given regarding resistance, and that they'll regret it terribly if they do, but they won't have any choice. In the circumstances an implied threat is very clear - [[Shame If Something Happened]]. However, the orders on both occasions were "leave the offending party alone, and see if you can find a workaround in this morass." The people they're sort-of threatening never notice.

** The original trope name could just has easily been called Vulcan Truth instead of Jedi Truth. Vulcans are [[Sarcasm Mode|always]] honest, except when they're deceiving, misleading, or flat out lying.

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