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**If we're being specific; Adrienette lost viewers due to Marinette's becoming more and [[Stalker with a Crush|more stalkerish]] as the third season went and/or how Adrien acted (at first) during the Lila episodes, LadyNoir was abandoned either due to Chat Noir's [[Entitled to Have You]] tendencies or Ladybug becoming more harsh towards Chat as well as keeping him out of the loop regarding her being a Guardian, and Ladrien due to not getting any scenes as of late. Only MariChat seems to have gotten away mostly unscathed, having gotten some good development.
**Adrien/Kagami lost shippers when it was shown Adrien kept lying to her (some with good reason, but still) and Kagami didn't like him being goofy (i.e being like Chat Noir, who is implied to be his real self).
*[[Alternative Character Interpretation]]: Did Stormy Weather know the ice capsule had sharp icicles descending on Alya and Manon or was that something that was out of her control? And before then, did Alec prod Aurore with the fact Mireille winning [[Kick the Dog|just to be an asshole]] or is he that [[Innocently Insensitive]]?
**The Pharaoh reveals Alix has an older brother named Jalil, yet in Timebreaker, the pocket watch (actually the bunny miraculous) is a family heirloom. Why doesn't their father give it to Jalil? [[Parental Favoritism]] or is it because Alix is more mature than him? Alix, for all her own faults, is one of the show's most(ly) consistent [[Only Sane Woman|only sane woman]].
**Did Chat accidentally create Copycat [[Green-Eyed Epiphany|out of his own jealousy]] or did he feel Theo's crush on Ladybug was creepy and decided to make up a lie to protect her, [[Didn't Think This Through|unaware Theo would get akumatized because of it]]? A mixture of both?
*[[Base Breaker]]: To her fans, Marinette is seen as a sweet angelic being who deserves the world. To her detractors, she is [[Stalker with a Crush|stalkerish]] [[Designated Hero|designated hero]] who is creepy towards her crush and mean towards anyone she sees as an obstacle to her getting with Adrien. Her stepping away from her fangirl tendencies and befriending Kagami has [[Rescued from the Scrappy Heap|gotten her some fans]], however some still don't like her either because they can't let go of her past actions or that she still shows Designated Hero tendencies occasionally. Some fans just don't like how the show treats her actions as justifiable or how her fans treat anyone who treats her with a tiny bit of animosity gets a glut of [[Revenge Fic|Revenge fics]] made about them.
**Ladybug, awesome badass hero or a huge [[Hypocrite|hypocritical]] control freak that's rude and dismissive towards to her partner?
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*[[Die for Our Ship|Die For Your Ship]]: Both Luka and Kagami as soon as they were revealed to be interested in Adrien and Marinette.
**Nathaniel and Chloé early on, though it has since faded. The former once Marc (his implied love interest) and Luka (Marinette's actual second love interest) were introduced, the latter once the show stopped treating Chloé as a threat for Adrien's love and Kagami (Adrien's actual second love interest) was introduced.
*[[Fandom-Specific Plot]]: Marinette and Adrien discover the other's identities.
**Someone calls out Lila's lies or remembers that Google exists and everything Lila says can be disproven by the most basic of fact checks.
**Someone gets a Miraculous. Maybe an unused one or maybe it's an [[Alternate Universe]] where they got one that's already been assigned to someone else.
***There's a subcategory of this plot. Where after a specific point of episodes, Ladybug or Chat get their miraculous taken away and get replaced with someone else (whether it's a canon character or an OC [[Depending on the Writer|depends]]).
*[[Fan Nickname]]: 'Bridgette' for Marinette in the original PV.
**Socqueline has been named 'canon Bridgette' due to her resemblance to her.
**Ladybug! Chloe is often called Scarlet Lady due to a [https://zoe-oneesama.tumblr.com/post/178833797634/the-scarlet-lady-based-off-the-distopian-kwami popular web-comic] (though due to that comic not having her be redeemed, this is mostly [[In Name Only]] in fics).
*[[Fanfic Fuel]]: Chloé getting a full fledged redemption arc.▼
**Marigold for Bee!Marinette also thanks to the popular web-comic.
**Coccinelle is a commonly used alternative name for Ladybug users, but specifically it has been used for Ladybug!Luka.
▲*[[Fanfic Fuel]]: Chloé getting a full fledged redemption arc. Her doubling down in the later season has made creators double down on this narrative.
**We've seen canon!Felix, what would canon!Bridgette be like? Assuming you don't think she and Marinette or Socqueline are the same character.
**What would Princess Justice and Verity Queen look and act like?
*[[Fanon]]: Ladybug's akumatized form, she was initially called Miss Fortune, though it has changed to Princess Justice per her and her mother, Sabine, almost getting akumatized. Though both have been used together, Miss Fortune for Ladybug and Princess Justice for Marinette. There's does seen to be canon (or at least third) name in the form of Shadybug, but as of now, it's mostly [[Fanon Discontinuity|ignored]].
**You'll see more fics depicting Felix as Adrien's older brother than cousin.
**Alec is Manon's father. The evidence is he's the only other TV personality on the show, that, like [[Ambiguously Brown|Manon]], is dark-skinned and he and Nadja do seem to be on good terms.
**A few fans headcanon the reason Marinette (or whoever has the ladybug miraculous in fanfiction) had the book is because she was using the Lady Miraculous to get back home from school faster or she was using it for personal reasons. The evidence being we don't see Chat Noir with her, the book is the real deal and not a polka dotted lucky charm, and Marinette when watching the video doesn't mention an akuma.
**A lot of 'Lady Wifi' rewrites have [[Took a Level In Kindness|Chloe]] (or just a morally better character) keep the punishment to its original length of one hour (since while the punishment was a bit much, [[Jerkass Has a Point|Alya taking a picture of her locker is still wrong)]], however [[In Spite of a Nail|Alya still gets upset and becomes Lady Wifi]]. An alternative is that Alya gets her punishment shortened but Alya's already run out of the room by that point and doesn't find out until after she's defeated.
**In the early days of the fanbase, it was popular to handwave Marinette's creepy action of knowing Adrien's schedule in 'Copycat' by saying she does to everybody. This has been [[jossed]] by canon but people (particularly people who like Marinette but want her to seem less stalkery) have held on to this headcanon.
**Similarly, Chat's actions in 'Copycat' are handwaved by his fans. In rewrites, even if Chat isn't trying to be malicious or even if he doesn't like [[Platonic Life Partners|Ladybug]] in that way, Theo will find some way to see it as romantic and [[In Spite of a Nail|become Copycat regardless]].
*[[Never Live It Down]]: Chloé undergoing [[Flanderization]] in the season 3 finale is this to her stans.
**For his detractors, anytime Adrien is too oblivious to Marinette's feelings and [[Entitled to Have You|Chat Noir]] makes Ladybug uncomfortable/annoyed.
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**Marinette/Ladybug has gotten this for being creepy towards Adrien, mean/condescending towards her rivals (Chloé and Kagami) and mean to Chat Noir.
**Majority or all of Ms. Bustier's class for believing Lila's lies over Marinette has made fic writers write up a bunch of revenge fics.
**Zoe is an interesting case. Thanks to [[Replacement Scrappy|her Replacement Scrappy]] status, she's often relegated to not being a bee miraculous or a miraculous at all. Some even just turn her into [[Bitch in Sheep's Clothing]] that only acts nice to make herself look better than Chloe (and to ironically, give her an actual personality). Then there are fics where she [[Ret-Gone|flat out]] [[Fanon Discontinuity|doesn't exist.]]
*[[Sacred Cow]]: Mylene/Ivan.
**Nathaniel/Marc.
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*[[Ships That Pass in the Night]]: Due to both being self-relying villains, people have paired up Felix and Lila up.
**Despite not meeting, there's also Felix/Socqueline, due to the latter's resemblance to [[Fan Nickname|'Bridgette']] (Marinette in the original PV).
*[[What an Idiot!|What An Idiot]]: Honestly anytime Alya puts herself in danger for the sake of her blog.
**In 'The Pharaoh', Marinette could have avoided the whole need to lie to Ayla if she didn't drop her textbook as Ladybug.
**In 'Lady Wifi', apparently the school doesn't have a policy regarding privacy, and Chloe has to resort to fake crying to get Alya punished. While the punishment she ends up giving out is too much, she should in fact be able to feel safe at school.
***Alya also believes Chloe is Ladybug despite seeing Chloe being saved by Ladybug in the 'Origins' episodes and them being seen at the same time of several battles. This is lampshades as Nino asks several times if she has proof, Marinette mentions she doesn't check her facts and Chat flat out calls her out on it.
***Lady Wifi has both Ladybug in her clutches and pulls at her mask instead of her earrings, however that's not the idiotic part. The idiotic part is that Hawk Moth never corrects her and instead tells her to let Ladybug use her lady charm which does seem to work but is thwarted. If Hawk Moth had just told Lady Wifi her miraculous was her earrings, they might've actually won.
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