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See the [[Law of Inverse Recoil]] for a related weapons trope and [[Toasted Buns]] for another trope involving missing rocket exhaust. [[Real Life]] aversions may be related to [[Too Dumb to Live]].
See the [[Law of Inverse Recoil]] for a related weapons trope and [[Toasted Buns]] for another trope involving missing rocket exhaust. [[Real Life]] aversions may be related to [[Too Dumb to Live]].


'''This trope is so common that only [[Averted Trope|aversions]] and [[Subverted Trope|subversions]] should be listed.'''
'''This trope is so common that only [[Averted Trope|aversions]] and [[Subverted Trope|subversions]] should be listed.'''


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== [[Comic Books]] ==
== [[Comic Books]] ==
* Averted in the first issue of ''[[Transmetropolitan]]'', Spider destroys his local bar with an RPG, then complains bitterly about how cold the inside of his car is since crude rocketry took out the passenger side window.
* Averted in the first issue of ''[[Transmetropolitan]]'', Spider destroys his local bar with an RPG, then complains bitterly about how cold the inside of his car is since crude rocketry took out the passenger side window.
* Subversion: Back when long-running furry anthology [[Furrlough]] was still military-themed, there was a one-page comic called ''Recoilless''. A pair of soldiers are retraicing their steps to find a missing rocket launcher and find it in the hands of an enemy squad, who are attempting to figure out how to use it. They load the gun and fire it, only to have the backblast kill the three soldiers standing behind the firing enemy soldier. The soldier's commander yells at him for apparently firing the gun wrong, and then has the soldier [[Too Dumb to Live|turn the rocket launcher around]]. Certain that they've now figured out how to fire their new toy, the enemy soldier's two commanding officers proudly step back to watch it fire... and are promptly blown up by the firing missile. The last remaining enemy soldier, seeing the carnage behind him, quietly sets the launcher down and sneaks away.
* Subversion: Back when long-running furry anthology [[Furrlough]] was still military-themed, there was a one-page comic called ''Recoilless''. A pair of soldiers are retraicing their steps to find a missing rocket launcher and find it in the hands of an enemy squad, who are attempting to figure out how to use it. They load the gun and fire it, only to have the backblast kill the three soldiers standing behind the firing enemy soldier. The soldier's commander yells at him for apparently firing the gun wrong, and then has the soldier [[Too Dumb to Live|turn the rocket launcher around]]. Certain that they've now figured out how to fire their new toy, the enemy soldier's two commanding officers proudly step back to watch it fire... and are promptly blown up by the firing missile. The last remaining enemy soldier, seeing the carnage behind him, quietly sets the launcher down and sneaks away.


== [[Fanfic]] ==
== [[Fanfic]] ==
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** Also from the Ghosts: in ''Necropolis'', a Vervunhive Wall gun battery fires point-blank at a Chaos war machine, and the backblast fries them. (The gun crew, that is; the regular blast fries the Chaos.)
** Also from the Ghosts: in ''Necropolis'', a Vervunhive Wall gun battery fires point-blank at a Chaos war machine, and the backblast fries them. (The gun crew, that is; the regular blast fries the Chaos.)
** In the same novel, during the generals' observation of the battlefield from a guard tower, its missile launchers are disabled because bulletproof shields hastily installed mess with the backblast. The generals decide to have the shields removed, exposing themselves rather than paralyze the guard tower, as they feel safer with working heavy weapons than cowering behind a shield.
** In the same novel, during the generals' observation of the battlefield from a guard tower, its missile launchers are disabled because bulletproof shields hastily installed mess with the backblast. The generals decide to have the shields removed, exposing themselves rather than paralyze the guard tower, as they feel safer with working heavy weapons than cowering behind a shield.
* Averted by [[Matthew Reilly]]. When Renshaw fires a rocket in a hovercraft, the backblast destroys the windows behind him.
* Averted by [[Matthew Reilly]]. When Renshaw fires a rocket in a hovercraft, the backblast destroys the windows behind him.


== [[Live Action TV]] ==
== [[Live Action TV]] ==
* Averted in an episode of ''[[CSI: Miami]]'', where a guy gets cooked after firing an RPG from inside a cement mixer.
* Averted in an episode of ''[[CSI: Miami]]'', where a guy gets cooked after firing an RPG from inside a cement mixer.
** In another, a paramilitary shoots an RPG (a weapon he didn't realise isn't point-and-shoot) from a car, and the exhaust shatters the opposite window. The CSI team, however, knows what to do with broken glass.
** In another, a paramilitary shoots an RPG (a weapon he didn't realise isn't point-and-shoot) from a car, and the exhaust shatters the opposite window. The CSI team, however, knows what to do with broken glass.
** And in yet another episode, one of the bad guys gets a black eye from the rocket launcher shoving the sight into his face. Despite showing the blast. So we get the back blast, but not the actual purpose, or the recoilless part.
** And in yet another episode, one of the bad guys gets a black eye from the rocket launcher shoving the sight into his face. Despite showing the blast. So we get the back blast, but not the actual purpose, or the recoilless part.
*** Recoilless doesn't mean a complete absence of recoil, it's just reduced. You can't get rid of Newton's second law entirely.
*** Recoilless doesn't mean a complete absence of recoil, it's just reduced. You can't get rid of Newton's second law entirely.
*** Also, depending on the design of the weapon, if you don't properly clean the tube, soot and muck from previous firings can clog the tube up a bit, relieving it of the "Recoiless" adjective.
*** Also, depending on the design of the weapon, if you don't properly clean the tube, soot and muck from previous firings can clog the tube up a bit, relieving it of the "Recoiless" adjective.
* According to the History Channel's ''[http://www.history.com/minisites/shootout/ Shootout!]'', a U.S. combat advisor was knocked off his feet and thrown through the air by the backblast of a heavy RPG.
* According to the History Channel's ''[http://www.history.com/minisites/shootout/ Shootout!]'', a U.S. combat advisor was knocked off his feet and thrown through the air by the backblast of a heavy RPG.
* In an episode of ''[[Bugs]]'', a bad guy is killed by standing on the "right" end of a timed missile launching ramp.
* In an episode of ''[[Bugs]]'', a bad guy is killed by standing on the "right" end of a timed missile launching ramp.
* In the ''[[Doctor Who]]'' story "Remembrance of the Daleks", keep an eye on the wall behind Ace when she fires an RPG at a Dalek. The scorch mark is clear proof that these were the days before CGI. Or, you know, decent budget.
* In the ''[[Doctor Who]]'' story "Remembrance of the Daleks", keep an eye on the wall behind Ace when she fires an RPG at a Dalek. The scorch mark is clear proof that these were the days before CGI. Or, you know, decent budget.
* In an episode of ''[[Miami Vice]]'', a criminal is seen visibly reacting to recoil from a stinger missile. However, the backblast can be seen from it, and the others present have already moved a safe distance away in preparation for it.
* In an episode of ''[[Miami Vice]]'', a criminal is seen visibly reacting to recoil from a stinger missile. However, the backblast can be seen from it, and the others present have already moved a safe distance away in preparation for it.
* ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'': In the second season episode ''Innocence'', Buffy uses a shoulder-fired rocket launcher to great effect, and hilarity. She experiences no recoil, which is not surprising, physics be damned, given her super-strength. But notably, she fires from a position where there is nobody or no thing behind her to be fried by the rocket's ignition.
* ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'': In the second season episode ''Innocence'', Buffy uses a shoulder-fired rocket launcher to great effect, and hilarity. She experiences no recoil, which is not surprising, physics be damned, given her super-strength. But notably, she fires from a position where there is nobody or no thing behind her to be fried by the rocket's ignition.
** Note that Xander had military knowledge, due to a spell, and was one the one who instructed her on how to use it, and presumably included that no one should be behind her when she fires it.
** Note that Xander had military knowledge, due to a spell, and was one the one who instructed her on how to use it, and presumably included that no one should be behind her when she fires it.


== Other ==
== Other ==
* Played straight with many, many vehicles from the Hasbro G.I.Joe toyline. If built to real life specs, the backblast would roast the Joe soldiers.
* Played straight with many, many vehicles from the Hasbro G.I.Joe toyline. If built to real life specs, the backblast would roast the Joe soldiers.
* [http://www.corbisimages.com/Enlargement/TU001386.html Here] is a rather infamous photo of Dan Quayle holding a rocket launcher for a photo-op in a manner that would kill him and anyone around him if it had a rocket attached and was actually fired.
* [http://www.corbisimages.com/Enlargement/TU001386.html Here] is a rather infamous photo of Dan Quayle holding a rocket launcher for a photo-op in a manner that would kill him and anyone around him if it had a rocket attached and was actually fired.
** To be fair, he isn't holding it in ready-to-fire position anyway, I could argue that it would be very lethal for me and everyone close to me when I fire a RPG-7 while I point it at the ground...
** To be fair, he isn't holding it in ready-to-fire position anyway, I could argue that it would be very lethal for me and everyone close to me when I fire a RPG-7 while I point it at the ground...
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== [[Tabletop Games]] ==
== [[Tabletop Games]] ==
* ''[[Rifts]]'' partially averts this. A particular heavy missile launcher is specifically stated to inflict damage to not only anyone standing close behind the firer, but the firer themself if they're not wearing armor. In fact, the backblast will destroy the launcher, which is in of itself a disposable weapon.
* ''[[Rifts]]'' partially averts this. A particular heavy missile launcher is specifically stated to inflict damage to not only anyone standing close behind the firer, but the firer themself if they're not wearing armor. In fact, the backblast will destroy the launcher, which is in of itself a disposable weapon.
* Rocket launchers in ''[[GURPS]]'' create a fairly dangerous backblast when fired. If you use a reactionless missile however, there is no backblast, thanks to superscience.
* Rocket launchers in ''[[GURPS]]'' create a fairly dangerous backblast when fired. If you use a reactionless missile however, there is no backblast, thanks to superscience.


== [[Video Games]] ==
== [[Video Games]] ==
* Averted in the ''[[Battlefield (series)|Battlefield 2]]'' mod, ''[[Project Reality]].'' The backblast from rocket launchers WILL kill other players.
* Averted in the ''[[Battlefield (series)|Battlefield 2]]'' mod, ''[[Project Reality]].'' The backblast from rocket launchers WILL kill other players.
* Averted in [[Tom Clancy]]'s ''[[Ghost Recon]]'' wherein the backblast can kill friendlies directly behind the soldier who fires an anti-tank weapon. However, the backblast physics in the game doesn't seem to take into account walls since said weapon is still safe enough to fire from enclosed areas.
* Averted in [[Tom Clancy]]'s ''[[Ghost Recon]]'' wherein the backblast can kill friendlies directly behind the soldier who fires an anti-tank weapon. However, the backblast physics in the game doesn't seem to take into account walls since said weapon is still safe enough to fire from enclosed areas.
* Similarly averted in ''[[Jagged Alliance]] 2''. Don't stand behind the dude with the LAW if you value your face.
* Similarly averted in ''[[Jagged Alliance]] 2''. Don't stand behind the dude with the LAW if you value your face.
* Also averted in the ''[[Combat Mission]]'' series. While the backblast-to-friendly-face never happens (firstly because each little soldier is an abstraction for a full squad spread over a large area, and secondly because they are representing trained soldiers, not ''morons''), firing a bazooka or panzerschreck from inside a building is a good way to pin down your own troops (the British PIAT is immune to this, as per [[Real Life]]). Note that the game's tactical AI knows better than to do it - it'll only happen through direct player prompt
* Also averted in the ''[[Combat Mission]]'' series. While the backblast-to-friendly-face never happens (firstly because each little soldier is an abstraction for a full squad spread over a large area, and secondly because they are representing trained soldiers, not ''morons''), firing a bazooka or panzerschreck from inside a building is a good way to pin down your own troops (the British PIAT is immune to this, as per [[Real Life]]). Note that the game's tactical AI knows better than to do it - it'll only happen through direct player prompt
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** While it averts the backblast problem the RPG is still dangerous in confined spaces, the initial launch will make the rocket jump up a foot or so, if you don't have enough height clearance - Boom.
** While it averts the backblast problem the RPG is still dangerous in confined spaces, the initial launch will make the rocket jump up a foot or so, if you don't have enough height clearance - Boom.
*** Which, in turn, leads to a bit of [[Fridge Logic]]: such a weapon typically won't arm itself until after the rocket motor ignites, meaning that it should be Klunk rather than Boom.
*** Which, in turn, leads to a bit of [[Fridge Logic]]: such a weapon typically won't arm itself until after the rocket motor ignites, meaning that it should be Klunk rather than Boom.
* ''[[Halo]]'' is a bit funny about this. For the first 2/3 of the trilogy, the rocket launcher is the only one of its kind, and has a small puff of flame that emits out the back (though it doesn't actually harm anything). The third installment has the return of the rocket launcher, but also features a missile pod that launchers missiles with compressed air before their fuel ignites.
* ''[[Halo]]'' is a bit funny about this. For the first 2/3 of the trilogy, the rocket launcher is the only one of its kind, and has a small puff of flame that emits out the back (though it doesn't actually harm anything). The third installment has the return of the rocket launcher, but also features a missile pod that launchers missiles with compressed air before their fuel ignites.
** ''Halo 3: ODST'' has a (Non-[[Heroic Mime|Rookie]]) player that swaps to a rocket launcher shout a warning about backblast, as well.
** ''Halo 3: ODST'' has a (Non-[[Heroic Mime|Rookie]]) player that swaps to a rocket launcher shout a warning about backblast, as well.
* ''[[Far Cry]] 2'' has the Carl Gustav guided missile system, which lays backblast quite well- it will start fires, and standing in front of a vehicle and firing will cause the vehicle to explode, killing the player.
* ''[[Far Cry]] 2'' has the Carl Gustav guided missile system, which lays backblast quite well- it will start fires, and standing in front of a vehicle and firing will cause the vehicle to explode, killing the player.
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* While not in the normal game, the modding community for [[Operation Flashpoint]] has created a realism modification that adds backblast to all recoilless RPG weapons. (Along with a whole host of other realistic features)
* While not in the normal game, the modding community for [[Operation Flashpoint]] has created a realism modification that adds backblast to all recoilless RPG weapons. (Along with a whole host of other realistic features)
* Darkest Hour, a ''[[Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45]]'' mod set in western Europe, has the very good possibility of teamkilling - friendly fire is always on, and backblast from Bazookas, Panzerfausts, and Panzershrecks is deadly. The PIAT, as historically accurate, has no backblast, but is much slower to reload since there's no way for an Assistant Gunner to help.
* Darkest Hour, a ''[[Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45]]'' mod set in western Europe, has the very good possibility of teamkilling - friendly fire is always on, and backblast from Bazookas, Panzerfausts, and Panzershrecks is deadly. The PIAT, as historically accurate, has no backblast, but is much slower to reload since there's no way for an Assistant Gunner to help.
* Col. Volgin in ''[[Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater]]'' was man enough to fire a recoilless ''nuclear warhead'' from a chopper traveling in an aerial convoy. He wasn't the only one in that chopper either. At the very least, both of the chopper's side-doors were open.
* Col. Volgin in ''[[Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater]]'' was man enough to fire a recoilless ''nuclear warhead'' from a chopper traveling in an aerial convoy. He wasn't the only one in that chopper either. At the very least, both of the chopper's side-doors were open.
* Though absent from the actual ''[[Call of Duty]]'' games, backblast is brought up once in the bonus "Soap's Journal" from the Hardened edition of ''[[Modern Warfare]] 3'' - in the entry from the fourth game's Azerbaijan missions, Soap writes that if not for how the [[wikipedia:FGM-148 Javelin|FGM-148 Javelin]] works, he could have accidentally burnt off [[Porn Stache|Price's famed mustache]].
* Though absent from the actual ''[[Call of Duty]]'' games, backblast is brought up once in the bonus "Soap's Journal" from the Hardened edition of ''[[Modern Warfare]] 3'' - in the entry from the fourth game's Azerbaijan missions, Soap writes that if not for how the [[wikipedia:FGM-148 Javelin|FGM-148 Javelin]] works, he could have accidentally burnt off [[Porn Stache|Price's famed mustache]].