Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny/WMG: Difference between revisions

Just like in Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, there's actually a Cagalli who is Izumi's daughter (and not Kira's sister) that the "original" Cagalli was surgically altered to resemble. After Gundam Seed, Athrun broke up with Kira's sister and started dating the identical appearing but totally different in personality Princess Cagalli. Princess Cagalli confused many outsiders who assumed the scrappy freedom fighter and the Princess were the same person.

* Alternatively, the Cagalli of Destiny is a [[Marvel Universe|Skrull.]]

 

== The [[Super Robot Wars]] version of Destiny is the canon one. The anime was propaganda created by Kira to make him look better. ==

 

== Mu La Flaga ''did'' die at Jachin Due. ==

* [[Fridge Brilliance|Goddamit]], Neo was a testbed for [[Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn|Full Frontal!]]

 

Next series, Kira will get his hands on a Destroy Freedom Gundam or somesuch with [[Kill Sat|Satellite]] [[Attack Drone|DRAGOONs]], whose Satellite Cannons are tied to a limiter pendant carved from Evidence 01 by Andy and worn by Lacus. Eventually, however, he is brought down by Lowe Gear and his [[Super Robot Wars|Astray Powered Red Frame Sturmangriff]] (Jess Rabble is driving the mecha horse). Afterwards, George Glenn's ghost calls forth an armada of space whales to destroy the PLANTs, deciding Coordinators really aren't worth all the [[Wangst]].

 

== The Space Whales evolved from humans. ==

If Turn A is canon & all Gundam stories take place in the same universe, they may be descendants of a previous generation of Newtypes. If not, they may be time travellers from a future where Coordinators have been altered so heavily they no longer resemble humans.

 

== The plot is so screwed up because everyone in the series is suffering series wide Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. ==

 

movie for the in universe people, both villain and good guy, and it didn't get any better at any point for ANYBODY. Even the ending didn't really lift the depressing feeling, and the "Break the World" incident followed by the failed nuclear assault on the PLANTS sure as hell didn't disabuse ANYONE that the horror had ended. Given that everyone is suffering neverending PTSD, it would explain Shinn's neverending [[Wangst]], Durandal's idiotically idealistic "Destiny Plan", Rey's need to relive Creuset's f'ed up life, Logos' insistence on fighting a losing battle, and much of the repeated military idiocy on both sides.

 

 

* This gets really funny/sad if you catch a little coincidence with the main three pilots: what other mecha anime is generally angsty, deals with PTSD, and contains a [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|Shin, an Asuka, and a (in katakana) Rei?]] With names like that, the poor bastards were doomed from the start. Even better, Maaya Sakamoto went on to play another fiery female pilot with Zettai Ryouki for said show's [[Big Damn Movie]].

 

Cagalli's SEED powers are just careful misdirection and relabeling her Innovator skills. After discussing and planning everything out with Ribbons and comapany, she deliberately "picked" up the [[Idiot Ball]] as part of her [[Batman Gambit]]. From there, it was all a matter of [[Obfuscating Stupidity]] to throw everyone off while manipulating everyone [[Character Derailment|off their character rails.]] Her piloting absence in Z stems from the fact people found out and naturally were furious. She was re-allowed to take part in K since 00 was wrapping up and the [[Your Mileage May Vary|alleged]] [[Seasonal Rot]] had made her suffer enough.

 

 

 

 

 

 

== Lunamaria and Shinn's relationship ==

 

Shinn had already lost two girls in his life. He's already failed to protect two people he loved. And now, a person he truly trusts had betrayed them, running away. Shinn is torn. He can't match the Athrun that he trusts and admires with the Athrun that just told him the path he is following is wrong. Shinn remembers the people he lost, and goes into a rage. How dare this stuck-up person say that he is wrong? He was trying to stop any of these losses happening again. He followed this path for that reason. Therefore Athrun must be wrong. He must want these tragedies to keep happening. So Shinn goes into a rage, and destroys the suit with Athrun and Meyrin in. Then, he goes back to the ship, and sees Luna. The sister of the girl he killed. He says 'sorry'. What else can he say? He was right, Athrun was wrong, therefore anyone with Athrun must be wrong. Then Luna starts the cry. She clings to him and sobs into his clothes. Suddenly, Shinn remembers. Stellar used to cry like this. Stellar would stop crying when he held her. So Shinn holds onto Luna, to block out the memories of Stellar, so he doesn't have to see the similarities between her and Luna. The next day, Luna seems scared about going into battle. Stellar used to be scared of going into battles. So Shinn tells her that he will protect her, because that's what he'd tell Stellar. Then, Luna hugs him again. Shinn understands. This girl needs his support, like Stellar did. He won't fail this time. And he remembers Stellar's last words, 'I love you'. That must be why he couldn't protect Stellar, because he didn't love her enough. So Shinn kisses Luna. He decides he will love this girl, love and protect her, and therefore stop the pain of the past, and so he will never lose a girl he cares about again.

 

== Lacus is another Ultimate Coordinator ==

However, the real smoking gun is when you realize that she seems to have the same ESP factor unique to those connected with the Ultimate Coordinator project. When Rau attacked the ''Eternal'' during the final battle, Lacus commented on a 'strange feeling', much like Mu and Kira had commented on earlier. Plus, in Destiny, she seems to be able to sense Kira too, and vice versa, such as when the ''Eternal'' is under attack by ZAFT and during the final battle when Kira returns from wreaking Rey's machine. Since it's unlikely that she's a clone like Rau and Rey, the only other option is that she is, like Kira, an Ulimate Coordinator, or at least an imperfect one like Canard.

* Also, she's the [[Author Avatar]] of Morosawa.

On the one hand you have the [[Super Soldier|combatants]], graced with enhanced reaction times, resistance to G forces, ect. Like Shinn, Athrun and the majority in existance. On the other you have the [[Magnetic Hero|leaders]], like Lacus and Durandal, graced with manipulative ability and frightning charisma. The two kinds exist to do diffrent jobs, hence diffrent genetic predispositions. the Destany Plan is essentally built off that concept. So what is Kira? 'The Ultimate Coordinator' Ultimate as in Final. A Coordinator with both combat and leadership potental, explaining how he can both win mobile suit battles and sway people. Worse, the combination of reaction time and ability to read bodylanguage (which can to a point be translated to mobile suits) has a [[Game Breaker|synergistic effect]]. He seems to react to people impossibly fast because he is reading their cues faster, and then reacting faster on top of that.

 

There were a couple coincidences that went into making the war play out the way it did. None of them so egregious that they're obviously suspicious, but they do form a noticeable pattern, and as a high-ranking ZAFT commander [[The Mole|in contact with the other side]], Rau would have been able to make them happen. He seems to have a particular style. He masks his true objective behind a larger tragedy.

* First, the bombing of the UN meeting on the moon. All of the delegates were killed except for Seigel Clyne, who was delayed by a shuttle malfunction. This provided the excuse the sponsor nations needed to declare war. Rau could have sabotaged the shuttle, or arranged for it, as well as directing the terrorists who carried out the attack.

* Fourth, the use of the Cyclops superweapon on the Grimaldi front. This ended a theater of the war, as the supply base that was its objective was destroyed, and also resulted in massive casualties on both sides, including every single one of the Atlantic Federation's Mobius Zero corps, except for Mu la Flaga, who Rau would later complain was [[The Rival|always getting in his way]]. Rau could have suggested the tactic to Azrael, hoping to both escalate the war and eliminate the obstacle Mu and his comrades represented, as they were essentially if not literally newtypes and stronger than almost any coordinator.

* Fifth, the destruction of the Silverwind. The Silverwind was a civilian passenger ship carrying Lacus Clyne on an inspection of Junius 7, lost with all hands and passengers except for her, as she was put into an escape pod beforehand. If the ship were chartered early enough, Rau could have gotten wind of its course and asked Azrael to ensure a ship with a strongly anti-coordinator crew just happened to be in the area. If Lacus were killed, it might have had the same effect on Siegel Clyne as Lenore Zala's death had on her husband.

** Alternately, Le Creuset was just behind the nuclear attack. Tensions were already at a boil and all Rau had to do to make it boil over was give Azrael a way through ZAFT's defences. Azrael's foreign policy can best be summed up as "when you have enemies, you shoot them," something that Le Creuset would have figured out after about ten seconds interacting with the man. The rest of the war was easy to improvise: latch on to the ZAFT commander with the biggest grudge against the Naturals (if it hadn't been Patrick he could have easily selected somebody else; with Rau's brains behind them they would have been Commander-in-Chief soon enough), and ensure his rise to power while still feeding Azrael information. With both sides led by hardliners he didn't need to engineer anything else beyond the eventual use of the superweapons; there certainly wasn't going to be a compromise as long as Azrael was alive. Same basic idea, just more [[Manipulative Bastard]] and less [[Chessmaster]].

 

** In other words, <s>a wizard</s> [[A Wizard Did It|Lacus Dust did it]].

 

** So by having his entire plan destroyed--meaning no one else will have to fullfill the role he believes they should--but getting two people to do something they didn't want to he won the argument? That makes sense. Besides how do we even know that "soldier" and "politician" are what Kira and Lacus are best suited for? They're good at it, but that doesn't necessarily equate to "perfectly suited for it genetically". And oh yeah--they're doing it because they want to, not because their genetics told them to.

 

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