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Just like in Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, there's actually a Cagalli who is Izumi's daughter (and not Kira's sister) that the "original" Cagalli was surgically altered to resemble. After Gundam Seed, Athrun broke up with Kira's sister and started dating the identical appearing but totally different in personality Princess Cagalli. Princess Cagalli confused many outsiders who assumed the scrappy freedom fighter and the Princess were the same person.
Just like in Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, there's actually a Cagalli who is Izumi's daughter (and not Kira's sister) that the "original" Cagalli was surgically altered to resemble. After Gundam Seed, Athrun broke up with Kira's sister and started dating the identical appearing but totally different in personality Princess Cagalli. Princess Cagalli confused many outsiders who assumed the scrappy freedom fighter and the Princess were the same person.
* Alternatively, the Cagalli of Destiny is a [[Marvel Universe|Skrull.]]
* Alternatively, the Cagalli of Destiny is a [[Marvel Universe|Skrull.]]
* Or a [[Mobile Suit Gundam 00 (Anime)|Innovator]] mole. See below.
* Or a [[Mobile Suit Gundam 00|Innovator]] mole. See below.


== The [[Super Robot Wars]] version of Destiny is the canon one. The anime was propaganda created by Kira to make him look better. ==
== The [[Super Robot Wars]] version of Destiny is the canon one. The anime was propaganda created by Kira to make him look better. ==
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* [[Fridge Brilliance|Goddamit]], Neo was a testbed for [[Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn|Full Frontal!]]
* [[Fridge Brilliance|Goddamit]], Neo was a testbed for [[Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn|Full Frontal!]]


== Cosmic Era Newtypes eventually play by [[After War Gundam X (Anime)|After War Gundam X]] rules. ==
== Cosmic Era Newtypes eventually play by [[After War Gundam X]] rules. ==
Next series, Kira will get his hands on a Destroy Freedom Gundam or somesuch with [[Kill Sat|Satellite]] [[Attack Drone|DRAGOONs]], whose Satellite Cannons are tied to a limiter pendant carved from Evidence 01 by Andy and worn by Lacus. Eventually, however, he is brought down by Lowe Gear and his [[Super Robot Wars|Astray Powered Red Frame Sturmangriff]] (Jess Rabble is driving the mecha horse). Afterwards, George Glenn's ghost calls forth an armada of space whales to destroy the PLANTs, deciding Coordinators really aren't worth all the [[Wangst]].
Next series, Kira will get his hands on a Destroy Freedom Gundam or somesuch with [[Kill Sat|Satellite]] [[Attack Drone|DRAGOONs]], whose Satellite Cannons are tied to a limiter pendant carved from Evidence 01 by Andy and worn by Lacus. Eventually, however, he is brought down by Lowe Gear and his [[Super Robot Wars|Astray Powered Red Frame Sturmangriff]] (Jess Rabble is driving the mecha horse). Afterwards, George Glenn's ghost calls forth an armada of space whales to destroy the PLANTs, deciding Coordinators really aren't worth all the [[Wangst]].


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== The plot is so screwed up because everyone in the series is suffering series wide Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. ==
== The plot is so screwed up because everyone in the series is suffering series wide Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. ==


When you think about, ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam SEED (Anime)|Gundam SEED]]'' was a non stop real life horror
When you think about, ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam SEED|Gundam SEED]]'' was a non stop real life horror
movie for the in universe people, both villain and good guy, and it didn't get any better at any point for ANYBODY. Even the ending didn't really lift the depressing feeling, and the "Break the World" incident followed by the failed nuclear assault on the PLANTS sure as hell didn't disabuse ANYONE that the horror had ended. Given that everyone is suffering neverending PTSD, it would explain Shinn's neverending [[Wangst]], Durandal's idiotically idealistic "Destiny Plan", Rey's need to relive Creuset's f'ed up life, Logos' insistence on fighting a losing battle, and much of the repeated military idiocy on both sides.
movie for the in universe people, both villain and good guy, and it didn't get any better at any point for ANYBODY. Even the ending didn't really lift the depressing feeling, and the "Break the World" incident followed by the failed nuclear assault on the PLANTS sure as hell didn't disabuse ANYONE that the horror had ended. Given that everyone is suffering neverending PTSD, it would explain Shinn's neverending [[Wangst]], Durandal's idiotically idealistic "Destiny Plan", Rey's need to relive Creuset's f'ed up life, Logos' insistence on fighting a losing battle, and much of the repeated military idiocy on both sides.


In short, the whole universe of ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny (Anime)|Gundam SEED Destiny]]'' is drenched in emo, and thus NO ONE was able to make a decent decision through its entire run.
In short, the whole universe of ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny|Gundam SEED Destiny]]'' is drenched in emo, and thus NO ONE was able to make a decent decision through its entire run.


* This gets really funny/sad if you catch a little coincidence with the main three pilots: what other mecha anime is generally angsty, deals with PTSD, and contains a [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|Shin, an Asuka, and a (in katakana) Rei?]] With names like that, the poor bastards were doomed from the start. Even better, Maaya Sakamoto went on to play another fiery female pilot with Zettai Ryouki for said show's [[Big Damn Movie]].
* This gets really funny/sad if you catch a little coincidence with the main three pilots: what other mecha anime is generally angsty, deals with PTSD, and contains a [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|Shin, an Asuka, and a (in katakana) Rei?]] With names like that, the poor bastards were doomed from the start. Even better, Maaya Sakamoto went on to play another fiery female pilot with Zettai Ryouki for said show's [[Big Damn Movie]].


== Cagalli is, in fact, [[Mobile Suit Gundam 00 (Anime)|an Innovator]] who set about to sabotage SEED Destiny so it wouldn't be as hard of a an act to follow for 00 ==
== Cagalli is, in fact, [[Mobile Suit Gundam 00|an Innovator]] who set about to sabotage SEED Destiny so it wouldn't be as hard of a an act to follow for 00 ==
Cagalli's SEED powers are just careful misdirection and relabeling her Innovator skills. After discussing and planning everything out with Ribbons and comapany, she deliberately "picked" up the [[Idiot Ball]] as part of her [[Batman Gambit]]. From there, it was all a matter of [[Obfuscating Stupidity]] to throw everyone off while manipulating everyone [[Character Derailment|off their character rails.]] Her piloting absence in Z stems from the fact people found out and naturally were furious. She was re-allowed to take part in K since 00 was wrapping up and the [[Your Mileage May Vary|alleged]] [[Seasonal Rot]] had made her suffer enough.
Cagalli's SEED powers are just careful misdirection and relabeling her Innovator skills. After discussing and planning everything out with Ribbons and comapany, she deliberately "picked" up the [[Idiot Ball]] as part of her [[Batman Gambit]]. From there, it was all a matter of [[Obfuscating Stupidity]] to throw everyone off while manipulating everyone [[Character Derailment|off their character rails.]] Her piloting absence in Z stems from the fact people found out and naturally were furious. She was re-allowed to take part in K since 00 was wrapping up and the [[Your Mileage May Vary|alleged]] [[Seasonal Rot]] had made her suffer enough.


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== Lacus is another Ultimate Coordinator ==
== Lacus is another Ultimate Coordinator ==
For one thing, it's obvious that she possesses a SEED factor like Kira. For example, when she is contemplating the nature of war in episode 49 of ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam SEED (Anime)|Gundam SEED]]'', you can see that her eyes have dialated, indicating that she has entered 'SEED mode'.
For one thing, it's obvious that she possesses a SEED factor like Kira. For example, when she is contemplating the nature of war in episode 49 of ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam SEED|Gundam SEED]]'', you can see that her eyes have dialated, indicating that she has entered 'SEED mode'.
However, the real smoking gun is when you realize that she seems to have the same ESP factor unique to those connected with the Ultimate Coordinator project. When Rau attacked the ''Eternal'' during the final battle, Lacus commented on a 'strange feeling', much like Mu and Kira had commented on earlier. Plus, in Destiny, she seems to be able to sense Kira too, and vice versa, such as when the ''Eternal'' is under attack by ZAFT and during the final battle when Kira returns from wreaking Rey's machine. Since it's unlikely that she's a clone like Rau and Rey, the only other option is that she is, like Kira, an Ulimate Coordinator, or at least an imperfect one like Canard.
However, the real smoking gun is when you realize that she seems to have the same ESP factor unique to those connected with the Ultimate Coordinator project. When Rau attacked the ''Eternal'' during the final battle, Lacus commented on a 'strange feeling', much like Mu and Kira had commented on earlier. Plus, in Destiny, she seems to be able to sense Kira too, and vice versa, such as when the ''Eternal'' is under attack by ZAFT and during the final battle when Kira returns from wreaking Rey's machine. Since it's unlikely that she's a clone like Rau and Rey, the only other option is that she is, like Kira, an Ulimate Coordinator, or at least an imperfect one like Canard.
* Also, she's the [[Author Avatar]] of Morosawa.
* Also, she's the [[Author Avatar]] of Morosawa.
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On the one hand you have the [[Super Soldier|combatants]], graced with enhanced reaction times, resistance to G forces, ect. Like Shinn, Athrun and the majority in existance. On the other you have the [[Magnetic Hero|leaders]], like Lacus and Durandal, graced with manipulative ability and frightning charisma. The two kinds exist to do diffrent jobs, hence diffrent genetic predispositions. the Destany Plan is essentally built off that concept. So what is Kira? 'The Ultimate Coordinator' Ultimate as in Final. A Coordinator with both combat and leadership potental, explaining how he can both win mobile suit battles and sway people. Worse, the combination of reaction time and ability to read bodylanguage (which can to a point be translated to mobile suits) has a [[Game Breaker|synergistic effect]]. He seems to react to people impossibly fast because he is reading their cues faster, and then reacting faster on top of that.
On the one hand you have the [[Super Soldier|combatants]], graced with enhanced reaction times, resistance to G forces, ect. Like Shinn, Athrun and the majority in existance. On the other you have the [[Magnetic Hero|leaders]], like Lacus and Durandal, graced with manipulative ability and frightning charisma. The two kinds exist to do diffrent jobs, hence diffrent genetic predispositions. the Destany Plan is essentally built off that concept. So what is Kira? 'The Ultimate Coordinator' Ultimate as in Final. A Coordinator with both combat and leadership potental, explaining how he can both win mobile suit battles and sway people. Worse, the combination of reaction time and ability to read bodylanguage (which can to a point be translated to mobile suits) has a [[Game Breaker|synergistic effect]]. He seems to react to people impossibly fast because he is reading their cues faster, and then reacting faster on top of that.


== [[Nietzsche Wannabe|Rau le Creuset]] engineered the entire [[Mobile Suit Gundam SEED (Anime)|Bloody Valentine War]] ==
== [[Nietzsche Wannabe|Rau le Creuset]] engineered the entire [[Mobile Suit Gundam SEED|Bloody Valentine War]] ==
There were a couple coincidences that went into making the war play out the way it did. None of them so egregious that they're obviously suspicious, but they do form a noticeable pattern, and as a high-ranking ZAFT commander [[The Mole|in contact with the other side]], Rau would have been able to make them happen. He seems to have a particular style. He masks his true objective behind a larger tragedy.
There were a couple coincidences that went into making the war play out the way it did. None of them so egregious that they're obviously suspicious, but they do form a noticeable pattern, and as a high-ranking ZAFT commander [[The Mole|in contact with the other side]], Rau would have been able to make them happen. He seems to have a particular style. He masks his true objective behind a larger tragedy.
* First, the bombing of the UN meeting on the moon. All of the delegates were killed except for Seigel Clyne, who was delayed by a shuttle malfunction. This provided the excuse the sponsor nations needed to declare war. Rau could have sabotaged the shuttle, or arranged for it, as well as directing the terrorists who carried out the attack.
* First, the bombing of the UN meeting on the moon. All of the delegates were killed except for Seigel Clyne, who was delayed by a shuttle malfunction. This provided the excuse the sponsor nations needed to declare war. Rau could have sabotaged the shuttle, or arranged for it, as well as directing the terrorists who carried out the attack.
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** Alternately, Le Creuset was just behind the nuclear attack. Tensions were already at a boil and all Rau had to do to make it boil over was give Azrael a way through ZAFT's defences. Azrael's foreign policy can best be summed up as "when you have enemies, you shoot them," something that Le Creuset would have figured out after about ten seconds interacting with the man. The rest of the war was easy to improvise: latch on to the ZAFT commander with the biggest grudge against the Naturals (if it hadn't been Patrick he could have easily selected somebody else; with Rau's brains behind them they would have been Commander-in-Chief soon enough), and ensure his rise to power while still feeding Azrael information. With both sides led by hardliners he didn't need to engineer anything else beyond the eventual use of the superweapons; there certainly wasn't going to be a compromise as long as Azrael was alive. Same basic idea, just more [[Manipulative Bastard]] and less [[Chessmaster]].
** Alternately, Le Creuset was just behind the nuclear attack. Tensions were already at a boil and all Rau had to do to make it boil over was give Azrael a way through ZAFT's defences. Azrael's foreign policy can best be summed up as "when you have enemies, you shoot them," something that Le Creuset would have figured out after about ten seconds interacting with the man. The rest of the war was easy to improvise: latch on to the ZAFT commander with the biggest grudge against the Naturals (if it hadn't been Patrick he could have easily selected somebody else; with Rau's brains behind them they would have been Commander-in-Chief soon enough), and ensure his rise to power while still feeding Azrael information. With both sides led by hardliners he didn't need to engineer anything else beyond the eventual use of the superweapons; there certainly wasn't going to be a compromise as long as Azrael was alive. Same basic idea, just more [[Manipulative Bastard]] and less [[Chessmaster]].


== Lacus Dust = Predecessor to [[Mobile Suit Gundam 00 (Anime)|GN Particles]]? ==
== Lacus Dust = Predecessor to [[Mobile Suit Gundam 00|GN Particles]]? ==
* Several websites (notably, the Animesuki forums) make a reference to Lacus Dust, which explains why Kira became a [[John Cena]]-esque [[God Mode Sue]] in the later episodes of both SEED and SEED Destiny. It can also explain why both Andrew and Mu (and if we go outside of CE, [[Mobile Suit Gundam Wing (Anime)|Zechs]]) came back from the dead. I don't know when the Lacus Dust jokes began, but I think that Sunrise might have adopted the Lacus Dust concept and adapted it as GN Particles for 00.
* Several websites (notably, the Animesuki forums) make a reference to Lacus Dust, which explains why Kira became a [[John Cena]]-esque [[God Mode Sue]] in the later episodes of both SEED and SEED Destiny. It can also explain why both Andrew and Mu (and if we go outside of CE, [[Mobile Suit Gundam Wing|Zechs]]) came back from the dead. I don't know when the Lacus Dust jokes began, but I think that Sunrise might have adopted the Lacus Dust concept and adapted it as GN Particles for 00.
** In other words, <s>a wizard</s> [[A Wizard Did It|Lacus Dust did it]].
** In other words, <s>a wizard</s> [[A Wizard Did It|Lacus Dust did it]].