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Generally in a time-critical situation, so it has to be resolved, usually in one of three ways:
Generally in a time-critical situation, so it has to be resolved, usually in one of three ways:
# The one in a position to give orders takes the role and sends the other away. [[The Men First|Common in military situations]], and the reason why the king can refuse to leave the city [[In Its Hour of Need]] but send away the crown prince.<br />Even when the authority is unquestionable, this one doesn't always work, as the junior may defy the punishment and go on arguing, or resort to force himself.
# The one in a position to give orders takes the role and sends the other away. [[The Men First|Common in military situations]], and the reason why the king can refuse to leave the city [[In Its Hour of Need]] but send away the crown prince. Even when the authority is unquestionable, this one doesn't always work, as the junior may defy the punishment and go on arguing, or resort to force himself.
# One may have a valid [[More Expendable Than You]] argument, or other reason (such as [[The Last Dance|being mortally wounded already]] and [[I Will Only Slow You Down]], or being the only one who could hold it alone, so the other could only die with him, not save him, or [[Only I Can Kill Him|the whole point of the expedition is to get the other one to do something only he can do]]) that the other has to concede means he really should be the one to stay.<br />That there's an argument at all can be [[Honor Before Reason]], if only one character could do the fatal act, or only one character can carry out the next step and so has to live for it.
# One may have a valid [[More Expendable Than You]] argument, or other reason (such as [[The Last Dance|being mortally wounded already]] and [[I Will Only Slow You Down]], or being the only one who could hold it alone, so the other could only die with him, not save him, or [[Only I Can Kill Him|the whole point of the expedition is to get the other one to do something only he can do]]) that the other has to concede means he really should be the one to stay. That there's an argument at all can be [[Honor Before Reason]], if only one character could do the fatal act, or only one character can carry out the next step and so has to live for it.
# Force or stealth. One character can trick another into leaving, [[Percussive Prevention|or knock him out so he can't follow,]] or shut the door between them, or throw the other onto a moving vehicle he can't jump off, etc, or just do [[Taking the Bullet]] or saying [[I Am Spartacus]] or making the [[Sneaky Departure]] before the other can realize or stop him.<br />This may not involve an actual argument; the first character to realize that conflict is possible often acts quickly to preempt it by ensuring that he ''must'' make the sacrifice. However, if he survives, expect a quarrel on this principle after the fact.
# Force or stealth. One character can trick another into leaving, [[Percussive Prevention|or knock him out so he can't follow,]] or shut the door between them, or throw the other onto a moving vehicle he can't jump off, etc, or just do [[Taking the Bullet]] or saying [[I Am Spartacus]] or making the [[Sneaky Departure]] before the other can realize or stop him. This may not involve an actual argument; the first character to realize that conflict is possible often acts quickly to preempt it by ensuring that he ''must'' make the sacrifice. However, if he survives, expect a quarrel on this principle after the fact.


Not that [[Like You Would Really Do It|the audience is always in doubt]]. The [[Sorting Algorithm of Mortality]] often dictates, as does [[Redemption Equals Death]]. This is one case where [[Dying Alone]] is, in fact, a consolation to the dying character.
Not that [[Like You Would Really Do It|the audience is always in doubt]]. The [[Sorting Algorithm of Mortality]] often dictates, as does [[Redemption Equals Death]]. This is one case where [[Dying Alone]] is, in fact, a consolation to the dying character.
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== Comicbooks ==
== Comic Books ==
* At least one issue of ''[[Iron Man]]'' where [[War Machine (Comic Book)|Rhodey]] knocks Tony out and wears the armor himself. Sort of subverted in that when Tony wakes up, he immediately goes out in a spare suit and arrives just in time to save Rhodey's massively outclassed butt.
* At least one issue of ''[[Iron Man]]'' where [[War Machine (Comic Book)|Rhodey]] knocks Tony out and wears the armor himself. Sort of subverted in that when Tony wakes up, he immediately goes out in a spare suit and arrives just in time to save Rhodey's massively outclassed butt.
* ''[[X-Men (Comic Book)|X-Men]]'': Jean Grey used force to get Scott Summers to safety on the shuttle before flying it down in face of a solar flare.
* ''[[X-Men (Comic Book)|X-Men]]'': Jean Grey used force to get Scott Summers to safety on the shuttle before flying it down in face of a solar flare.
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