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== [[Film]] ==
== [[Film]] ==
* In ''[[Spider-Man (Film)|Spider-Man 2]]'', Doctor Octavius (later Octopus) and his wife Rosalie are both college professors, but whereas Otto specializes in nuclear physics, Rosalie teaches literature.
* In ''[[Spider-Man (film)|Spider-Man 2]]'', Doctor Octavius (later Octopus) and his wife Rosalie are both college professors, but whereas Otto specializes in nuclear physics, Rosalie teaches literature.
* Inverted in ''[[Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs]]'': Flint Lockwood's mother was supportive of his scientific endeavors, while his father is mostly confused by anything more complicated than a fishing line.
* Inverted in ''[[Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs]]'': Flint Lockwood's mother was supportive of his scientific endeavors, while his father is mostly confused by anything more complicated than a fishing line.


== [[Literature]] ==
== [[Literature]] ==
* ''[[Discworld]]'' is very complex and goes back and forth about this. ''[[Discworld (Literature)/Equal Rites|Equal Rites]]'' brought these ideas to the fore.
* ''[[Discworld]]'' is very complex and goes back and forth about this. ''[[Discworld/Equal Rites|Equal Rites]]'' brought these ideas to the fore.
** Wizards are urban and associate with the Unseen University, thus are some variety of academia parody. They are often silly old duffers or giant nerds, but this does give the luster of hard science to their magic, and were more powerful once in Disc politics. The leading wizard, Ridcully, is pretty pompous but macho too (and ironically was thought to be [[Closer to Earth]], but was actually an [[Egomaniac Hunter]]). In earlier stories they tended to assassinate each other a lot. [[A Man Is Not a Virgin|They're also celibate]] because of the possibility of [[Discworld (Literature)/Sourcery|Sourcerors]].
** Wizards are urban and associate with the Unseen University, thus are some variety of academia parody. They are often silly old duffers or giant nerds, but this does give the luster of hard science to their magic, and were more powerful once in Disc politics. The leading wizard, Ridcully, is pretty pompous but macho too (and ironically was thought to be [[Closer to Earth]], but was actually an [[Egomaniac Hunter]]). In earlier stories they tended to assassinate each other a lot. [[A Man Is Not a Virgin|They're also celibate]] because of the possibility of [[Discworld/Sourcery|Sourcerors]].
** Witch stories focus around the [[The Hecate Sisters|trio]] of Nanny Ogg, Magrat, and Granny Weatherwax. Granny is a cynical, hardbitten, practical one who thinks wizards waste time with their 'jommetry' and 'supreme arch-whatever' just to look important. Nanny Ogg uses [[Obfuscating Stupidity]] and is a touch louche. Magrat is romantic and a little New Age and drippy. Overall, they're rural, more folk-magic, but closer to everyday concerns and problems than the wizards.
** Witch stories focus around the [[The Hecate Sisters|trio]] of Nanny Ogg, Magrat, and Granny Weatherwax. Granny is a cynical, hardbitten, practical one who thinks wizards waste time with their 'jommetry' and 'supreme arch-whatever' just to look important. Nanny Ogg uses [[Obfuscating Stupidity]] and is a touch louche. Magrat is romantic and a little New Age and drippy. Overall, they're rural, more folk-magic, but closer to everyday concerns and problems than the wizards.
*** A few Witch characters have been seen to use wizard magic, which is a variety of [[Functional Magic|Rule Magic]] and so there is really no reason why not. No wizard has been seen to use Borrowing or any other of the Witch specialties, but on the other hand there has never really been any suggestion that they couldn't if they wanted to. Granny once fought a magical duel with the then-current Archchancelor, and they fought to a standstill.
*** A few Witch characters have been seen to use wizard magic, which is a variety of [[Functional Magic|Rule Magic]] and so there is really no reason why not. No wizard has been seen to use Borrowing or any other of the Witch specialties, but on the other hand there has never really been any suggestion that they couldn't if they wanted to. Granny once fought a magical duel with the then-current Archchancelor, and they fought to a standstill.
* ''[[Frankenstein]]'' constantly refers to nature as female, and [[Character Title|the title character]] says he wants to "penetrate the secrets of nature". Subtle, [[Mary Shelley]].
* ''[[Frankenstein]]'' constantly refers to nature as female, and [[Character Title|the title character]] says he wants to "penetrate the secrets of nature". Subtle, [[Mary Shelley]].
** Which is actually similar to the criticisms of "patriarchal" paradigms of science by some feminist philosophers.
** Which is actually similar to the criticisms of "patriarchal" paradigms of science by some feminist philosophers.
* Diane Duane's [[Young Wizards]] series follows this. Nita's magic relates to nature and living things. Her male partner Kit tends to do better with technology and inanimate objects like rocks. However, later on Nita's sister subverts the whole thing by being a computer wiz with a magical affinity for technology and silicon-based lifeforms, and both Nita and Kit eventually grow out of their original specialties into others, which is apparently common for wizards. It's left open whether their initial foci came from awareness of the trope, but newcomers to magic in the books do tend to get it in a form which behaves as much the way they expect it to as is practical (without breaking [[Magic A Is Magic A]]).
* Diane Duane's [[Young Wizards]] series follows this. Nita's magic relates to nature and living things. Her male partner Kit tends to do better with technology and inanimate objects like rocks. However, later on Nita's sister subverts the whole thing by being a computer wiz with a magical affinity for technology and silicon-based lifeforms, and both Nita and Kit eventually grow out of their original specialties into others, which is apparently common for wizards. It's left open whether their initial foci came from awareness of the trope, but newcomers to magic in the books do tend to get it in a form which behaves as much the way they expect it to as is practical (without breaking [[Magic a Is Magic A]]).
* In the ''[[Doctor Who]]'' [[Virgin New Adventures|New Adventures]] novel ''Lungbarrow'', which explains the mythology of Gallifrey; the three scientists (Rassilon, Omega and the Other) are male and good. The Pythia (bad) is a witch and a woman.
* In the ''[[Doctor Who]]'' [[Virgin New Adventures|New Adventures]] novel ''Lungbarrow'', which explains the mythology of Gallifrey; the three scientists (Rassilon, Omega and the Other) are male and good. The Pythia (bad) is a witch and a woman.
* In the novel ''Enduring Love'', Clarissia is "mother nature" to Joe's "father science".
* In the novel ''Enduring Love'', Clarissia is "mother nature" to Joe's "father science".
* A notable early aversion of this trope is [[ETA Hoffmann (Creator)|ETA Hoffmann]]'s 1816 story "The Sandman" ([[The Sandman|no relation]]), about the superstitious, (over)sensitive proto-[[Emo Teen]] Nathanael and his hardheaded rationalist girlfriend Clara.
* A notable early aversion of this trope is [[E. T. A. Hoffmann|ETA Hoffmann]]'s 1816 story "The Sandman" ([[The Sandman|no relation]]), about the superstitious, (over)sensitive proto-[[Emo Teen]] Nathanael and his hardheaded rationalist girlfriend Clara.
* In ''[[The Belgariad]]'' prequels, Polgara notes that her mother encouraged her to learn by accepting, whereas her father taught her to question everything.
* In ''[[The Belgariad]]'' prequels, Polgara notes that her mother encouraged her to learn by accepting, whereas her father taught her to question everything.


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** In "[[Doctor Who/Recap/S10 E5 The Green Death|The Green Death]]" we get an interesting play on it. We get Mother Nature (the hippie commune) and Father Science (Global Chemicals) BUT the commune is made up of research scientists trying, among other things, to breed high protein fungus to act as a meat replacement.
** In "[[Doctor Who/Recap/S10 E5 The Green Death|The Green Death]]" we get an interesting play on it. We get Mother Nature (the hippie commune) and Father Science (Global Chemicals) BUT the commune is made up of research scientists trying, among other things, to breed high protein fungus to act as a meat replacement.
* In ''Dona Barbara'', the title character (a wealthy landlady) represents the brutish nature while Santos Luzardo (a lawyer from the big city) is the civilization.
* In ''Dona Barbara'', the title character (a wealthy landlady) represents the brutish nature while Santos Luzardo (a lawyer from the big city) is the civilization.
* ''[[I Carly]]'': Expect Carly and Sam to solve problems in the natural (or the brawn) way and Freddie to resort to geeky gadgets and tech stuff.
* ''[[ICarly]]'': Expect Carly and Sam to solve problems in the natural (or the brawn) way and Freddie to resort to geeky gadgets and tech stuff.
** Played straight with iGo Nuclear. Carly's projects involve a crude compost pit and an organic pesticide, while Sam used her fingers to rip an orange apart. Contrast Freddie's high-tech modern composter, Spencer's electric-powered scooter, and Cal's illegal nuclear power generator.
** Played straight with iGo Nuclear. Carly's projects involve a crude compost pit and an organic pesticide, while Sam used her fingers to rip an orange apart. Contrast Freddie's high-tech modern composter, Spencer's electric-powered scooter, and Cal's illegal nuclear power generator.
* ''[[3rd Rock From the Sun]]'': Dick is a physicist and his love interest and co-worker Mary is an anthropologist. On the other hand, Dick is a [[Cloudcuckoolander]] alien while Mary is a cynical [[Grumpy Bear]].
* ''[[3rd Rock from the Sun]]'': Dick is a physicist and his love interest and co-worker Mary is an anthropologist. On the other hand, Dick is a [[Cloudcuckoolander]] alien while Mary is a cynical [[Grumpy Bear]].
* In the initial cast of ''[[Farscape (TV)|Farscape]]'', there is Crichton, a scientist (if one given to explosiveness under pressure), and Zhaan, a priestess. However, this might also count as an inversion, because Crichton is very emotional, and Zhaan at least tries to be calm and logical.
* In the initial cast of ''[[Farscape]]'', there is Crichton, a scientist (if one given to explosiveness under pressure), and Zhaan, a priestess. However, this might also count as an inversion, because Crichton is very emotional, and Zhaan at least tries to be calm and logical.
** For more, see "Inversions," below.
** For more, see "Inversions," below.
* In the new ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]'' it seems that Head Six and Head Baltar represent spirituality and logic respectively -- while both agree they represent a higher power, Head Six calls it God and believes it demands religious worship, while Head Baltar seems to have a more abstract view of this power/entity.
* In the new ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]'' it seems that Head Six and Head Baltar represent spirituality and logic respectively -- while both agree they represent a higher power, Head Six calls it God and believes it demands religious worship, while Head Baltar seems to have a more abstract view of this power/entity.
* The fourth season of ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'' follows this theme, with the Slayers' magic vs. the Initiative's research in dealing with demonic forces.
* The fourth season of ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'' follows this theme, with the Slayers' magic vs. the Initiative's research in dealing with demonic forces.
* ''[[House (TV)|House]]'' is Father Science in contrast to Cameron/Cuddy/Thirteen/Adams/Wilson as Mother Nature.
* ''[[House (TV series)|House]]'' is Father Science in contrast to Cameron/Cuddy/Thirteen/Adams/Wilson as Mother Nature.
* The primary female scientists in ''[[The Big Bang Theory]]'' work in the fields of neurobiology and microbiology while the males take to experimental physics, theoretical physics, astrophysics, and aeronautical engineering.
* The primary female scientists in ''[[The Big Bang Theory]]'' work in the fields of neurobiology and microbiology while the males take to experimental physics, theoretical physics, astrophysics, and aeronautical engineering.


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== [[Web Comics]] ==
== [[Web Comics]] ==
* In ''[[Gunnerkrigg Court (Webcomic)|Gunnerkrigg Court]]'', Surma Carver could [[I See Dead People|speak with]] [[The Grim Reaper|the Guides]], and she served as the mediator between the Court and the magical Gillitie Wood. Her husband, Anthony, was a surgeon and, according to Jones:
* In ''[[Gunnerkrigg Court]]'', Surma Carver could [[I See Dead People|speak with]] [[The Grim Reaper|the Guides]], and she served as the mediator between the Court and the magical Gillitie Wood. Her husband, Anthony, was a surgeon and, according to Jones:
{{quote| '''Antimony''': I had no idea [Surma] worked here. She never mentioned it.<br />
{{quote| '''Antimony''': I had no idea [Surma] worked here. She never mentioned it.<br />
'''Jones''': Oh? That was your father's influence, I suspect. Yes, he never had patience for matters that didn't fall into a scientific category. }}
'''Jones''': Oh? That was your father's influence, I suspect. Yes, he never had patience for matters that didn't fall into a scientific category. }}
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== [[Western Animation]] ==
== [[Western Animation]] ==
* This trope is pretty much epitomized by [[Dexters Laboratory|Dexter and his sister Dee Dee]].
* This trope is pretty much epitomized by [[Dexter's Laboratory|Dexter and his sister Dee Dee]].
* In ''[[Gargoyles]]'', Fox's parents are a male scientist/robotics engineer and Titania. Yes, ''that'' Titania. Queen of Faerie Titania. And yet it works perfectly, in part because Titania appreciates science as a kind of "magic".
* In ''[[Gargoyles]]'', Fox's parents are a male scientist/robotics engineer and Titania. Yes, ''that'' Titania. Queen of Faerie Titania. And yet it works perfectly, in part because Titania appreciates science as a kind of "magic".
** Somewhat inverted in that Fox's father has a lot more integrity and good principles than her mother. He's a lot kinder too.
** Somewhat inverted in that Fox's father has a lot more integrity and good principles than her mother. He's a lot kinder too.
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== [[Comic Books]] ==
== [[Comic Books]] ==
* [[Zig Zagging Trope|Zigzags a bit in]] ''[[Xenozoic Tales]]'', featuring the very science-minded Hannah Dundee and the Earth <s>mother</s> father Jack Tenrec. Both of them have leanings for the opposite side. Jack, despite his undying devotion to the natural order, loves working on cars and other machines. Hannah, more subtly, believes in the mystic underpinnings of the world, but she considers they will be scientifically explicable, once they are better understood. There's also the indication that she's been {{spoiler|chosen by the Grith}} for... wouldn't it be nice if the series had lasted long enough to tell us?
* [[Zig-Zagging Trope|Zigzags a bit in]] ''[[Xenozoic Tales]]'', featuring the very science-minded Hannah Dundee and the Earth <s>mother</s> father Jack Tenrec. Both of them have leanings for the opposite side. Jack, despite his undying devotion to the natural order, loves working on cars and other machines. Hannah, more subtly, believes in the mystic underpinnings of the world, but she considers they will be scientifically explicable, once they are better understood. There's also the indication that she's been {{spoiler|chosen by the Grith}} for... wouldn't it be nice if the series had lasted long enough to tell us?
* Zol-El and Alura, the parents of [[Supergirl]]. Zor-El is an artist and very kind and opened-up. Alura is a scientist and usually an example of [[Good Is Not Nice]]. A flashback revealed that she used to be an [[Emotionless Girl]] before [[Defrosting Ice Queen|her relationship with Zor]].
* Zol-El and Alura, the parents of [[Supergirl]]. Zor-El is an artist and very kind and opened-up. Alura is a scientist and usually an example of [[Good Is Not Nice]]. A flashback revealed that she used to be an [[Emotionless Girl]] before [[Defrosting Ice Queen|her relationship with Zor]].
* ''[[Elf Quest]]'' has two major pairs of "sweet, mystical, peaceful boy" and "strong warrior woman" (Suntop and Ember, Redlance and Nightfall), and both are experienced as playing against type. An [[Animated Adaptation]] was proposed, but canceled when [[Executive Meddling]] demanded that the personalities be switched.
* ''[[Elf Quest]]'' has two major pairs of "sweet, mystical, peaceful boy" and "strong warrior woman" (Suntop and Ember, Redlance and Nightfall), and both are experienced as playing against type. An [[Animated Adaptation]] was proposed, but canceled when [[Executive Meddling]] demanded that the personalities be switched.
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* In ''[[Stargate SG-1]]'', Daniel Jackson is a linguist, archaeologist and anthropologist whereas Samantha Carter is a genius astrophysicist. She's also amazing at maths and engineering.
* In ''[[Stargate SG-1]]'', Daniel Jackson is a linguist, archaeologist and anthropologist whereas Samantha Carter is a genius astrophysicist. She's also amazing at maths and engineering.
** Played straight in ''[[Stargate Atlantis]]''. Weir is a diplomat, MacKay is a Physicist.
** Played straight in ''[[Stargate Atlantis]]''. Weir is a diplomat, MacKay is a Physicist.
* [[Agent Mulder]] and [[Agent Scully]] of ''[[The X Files]]'' are classic inversions. Mulder is a [[The Profiler|psychologist]], a believer in the paranormal, and relies heavily on [[Gut Feeling|intuition]] in his investigations. Scully is a [[The Coroner|forensic pathologist]] with an undergrad degree in physics, a [[Scully Syndrome|total skeptic]] about paranormal phenomena, and works from logic and hard evidence. Furthermore, Mulder is usually the one who's unafraid to show his feelings, while Scully is [[The Stoic]]. Mulder gets to be right more often, at least about the existence of the paranormal, but the show suggests very strongly that he'd be a failure without Scully there to keep him grounded. This was all done very deliberately by the writers.
* [[Agent Mulder]] and [[Agent Scully]] of ''[[The X-Files]]'' are classic inversions. Mulder is a [[The Profiler|psychologist]], a believer in the paranormal, and relies heavily on [[Gut Feeling|intuition]] in his investigations. Scully is a [[The Coroner|forensic pathologist]] with an undergrad degree in physics, a [[Scully Syndrome|total skeptic]] about paranormal phenomena, and works from logic and hard evidence. Furthermore, Mulder is usually the one who's unafraid to show his feelings, while Scully is [[The Stoic]]. Mulder gets to be right more often, at least about the existence of the paranormal, but the show suggests very strongly that he'd be a failure without Scully there to keep him grounded. This was all done very deliberately by the writers.
** In seasons 8 and 9, however, this was played straighter to avoid [[Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] syndrome. Scully took over Mulder's role as the believer. Her new partner John Doggett [[Dumb Is Good|wasn't a scientist]], but he became the [[Arbitrary Skepticism|Arbitrary Skeptic]] and a [[Sensitive Guy and Manly Man|Manly Man in comparison to Mulder's Sensitive Guy]]. Doggett was eventually partnered with Monica Reyes, who was if anything [[Cloudcuckoolander|even more open-minded about the paranormal]] and [[Bat Deduction|reliant on intuition]] than Mulder.
** In seasons 8 and 9, however, this was played straighter to avoid [[Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] syndrome. Scully took over Mulder's role as the believer. Her new partner John Doggett [[Dumb Is Good|wasn't a scientist]], but he became the [[Arbitrary Skepticism|Arbitrary Skeptic]] and a [[Sensitive Guy and Manly Man|Manly Man in comparison to Mulder's Sensitive Guy]]. Doggett was eventually partnered with Monica Reyes, who was if anything [[Cloudcuckoolander|even more open-minded about the paranormal]] and [[Bat Deduction|reliant on intuition]] than Mulder.
* Booth and Brennan in ''[[Bones]]''. A complete inversion. Brennan disapproves of anything that isn't discovered through logical analysis (usually while poking around a corpse), and dislikes psychology, calling it a "soft science." Booth, on the other hand, is perfectly willing to go out on a limb without facts to support him, and crafts plausible scenarios, the potential for personal bias be damned. Booth isn't on the side of Nature, but he's a far cry from the logic of the squints.
* Booth and Brennan in ''[[Bones]]''. A complete inversion. Brennan disapproves of anything that isn't discovered through logical analysis (usually while poking around a corpse), and dislikes psychology, calling it a "soft science." Booth, on the other hand, is perfectly willing to go out on a limb without facts to support him, and crafts plausible scenarios, the potential for personal bias be damned. Booth isn't on the side of Nature, but he's a far cry from the logic of the squints.
* ''[[Farscape (TV)|Farscape]]'' also this: D'Argo, the [[Proud Warrior Race Guy]] of deep feeling, and Aeryn, [[Emotionless Girl|stone-cold]] [[Badass]] soldier. Over time, both become less and less like this, Aeryn's emotional growth (while not losing her self-control) a key part of the story, while D'Argo becomes more and more self-aware and almost meta in his thinking: "John, I'm going to tell you something I've never put into words. I ''really'' like shooting stuff. And I'm very good at it."
* ''[[Farscape]]'' also this: D'Argo, the [[Proud Warrior Race Guy]] of deep feeling, and Aeryn, [[Emotionless Girl|stone-cold]] [[Badass]] soldier. Over time, both become less and less like this, Aeryn's emotional growth (while not losing her self-control) a key part of the story, while D'Argo becomes more and more self-aware and almost meta in his thinking: "John, I'm going to tell you something I've never put into words. I ''really'' like shooting stuff. And I'm very good at it."
* Chakotay and Seven of Nine of ''[[Star Trek Voyager]]''. Chakotay is a [[Magical Native American]] who likes going on vision quests. Seven is an [[Emotionless Girl]] who was raised by the Borg who refuses to go back to her human name. Her emotional growth is explored throughout the series. The romance actually happens in the final season.
* Chakotay and Seven of Nine of ''[[Star Trek: Voyager]]''. Chakotay is a [[Magical Native American]] who likes going on vision quests. Seven is an [[Emotionless Girl]] who was raised by the Borg who refuses to go back to her human name. Her emotional growth is explored throughout the series. The romance actually happens in the final season.
* ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'': The first season episode "I Robot, You Jane" has a sort of inversion. Giles is books and eye of newt, Jenny is computers and techomagic.
* ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'': The first season episode "I Robot, You Jane" has a sort of inversion. Giles is books and eye of newt, Jenny is computers and techomagic.
* ''Eureka'' has Alison as the logical scientist and Carter as the emotional one with a stronger grasp of the human element.
* ''Eureka'' has Alison as the logical scientist and Carter as the emotional one with a stronger grasp of the human element.
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== [[Video Games]] ==
== [[Video Games]] ==
* Averted in ''[[Portal (Video Game)|Portal]]'', where the science-loving [[G La DOS]] is clearly female.
* Averted in ''[[Portal (series)|Portal]]'', where the science-loving [[G La DOS]] is clearly female.
* In the ''[[Mass Effect]]'' series, the female Tali is an engineering genius and [[Wrench Wench]], while the male Dr. Mordin Solus specializes in biology.
* In the ''[[Mass Effect]]'' series, the female Tali is an engineering genius and [[Wrench Wench]], while the male Dr. Mordin Solus specializes in biology.


== [[Web Comic]] ==
== [[Web Comic]] ==
* Subverted in ''[[Freefall (Webcomic)|Freefall]]'': The closest we get to a [[Nature Hero]] is the [[Ambiguous Gender|"male"]] [[Stupid Good]] [[Ridiculously Human Robot]]; OTOH, Team Science has the female [[Big Badass Wolf|red wolf]] engineer. Who [http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff1200/fv01162.htm shows signs] of [[Science Madness|SRMD]].
* Subverted in ''[[Freefall]]'': The closest we get to a [[Nature Hero]] is the [[Ambiguous Gender|"male"]] [[Stupid Good]] [[Ridiculously Human Robot]]; OTOH, Team Science has the female [[Big Badass Wolf|red wolf]] engineer. Who [http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff1200/fv01162.htm shows signs] of [[Science Madness|SRMD]].


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