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*** Well Jiraiya is a Kage level ninja he had more important things to do (getting info on another Kage level ninja Orochimaru and a Kage level "group" Akatsuki), it's only when Akatsuki starts going directly after Naruto that he decides to train him (before Naruto annoying him into teaching him how to walk on water, then he thought him summoning jutsu to defend himself a little since he was the Kyubi vessel) and Kakashi doesn't teach anyone who doesn't pass his test of approval.

*** Actually Jiraiya was Konoha's spymaster. He was too important to be chained to Konoha and raise a kid. He was needed on the field not only to keep an eye on Orochimaru and eventually Akatsuki, but against all other potential threats as well. Kakashi on the other hand doesn't really have an excuse as he could have been there and would have had help looking after Naruto if he had to go on a mission. Heck, Sarutobi himself could have adopted Naruto as he would have had help from not only Asuma, but Konohamaru's parents as well. Leaving Naruto to fend for himself is one of the biggest face palm -moments in the series.

**** Kakashi also entered into the ANBU sometime after Obito's death. Between his emotional state just after said fact and then becoming an ANBU, he has well enough of an excuse to not have been looking after a child.

* Why has it occurred to no-one to tell Naruto who his father is? Don't they think he might want to know - hell the kid was seriously depressed and acting out half his life - what's wrong with giving him someone to look up to?

*** He resembles the former leader of the village, has the last name of the leader's wife, is an orphan, should be pretty obvious who he is, and has Jiraaya as his godfather, shouldn't that get them to be a bit nicer to him.

*** The common fanfic explanation is that the information is clasified to protect Naruto life, as being the son the yellow flash would surely put him on the to-kill list of at least Iwa. And even considering his similarities to the fourth (which in this tropers opinion is little more than eye and hair colour), a bit of sealing jargon by the third could easily make most ignore the similarities.

* Still, consider this. Nobody apparently made the plans to tell him at some point. Its like all those who did know were just sitting on their asses talking and reminiscing about Minato and Kushina without even thinking; "Hey wait a minute, we need to tell their son about them."

** Look no further than Tsunade and Jiraiya's last meeting before Jiraiya leaves for Amegakure. Jiraiya knew he might not come back, and as a last request he could have said: "Tell Naruto the truth," or even Tsunade or Kakashi could have taken the initiative on their own, (Remember that at this particular point its essentially common knowledge that Naruto has the Kyuubi, and that Akatsuki is after him, and he's now able to take care of himself).

*** It's never outright stated that he doesn't know, but there's plenty of circumstantial evidence that he doesn't know. First of all, Naruto is probably the least subtle person ever. He'd probably be shouting from the rooftops, "My dad was the Yondaime and you guys better start respecting me!" Then there's the whole Tsunade deal where she basically insulted the Sandaime and Yondaime. Naruto never said anything about not disrespecting his father.]

**** That falls flat though considering how its common knowledge that Konohamaru practically runs around screaming "I'm the Hokage's" grandson, and yet nobody goes around chastising him for it.

** Well considering how recently Naruto put on a longcoat very reminiscent of the Fourth's I wouldn't be surprised if Jiraiya told during the timeskip. Naruto had by then matured enough not to go on about it. He'd probably just feel sad from never knowing him...

*** It had been etsablished that Naruto kind of looked up to the fourth anyway, even after finding out the fourth sealed the kyuubi within him.

** I think the reason why he wasn't told he's the Yondaime's son was to avoid awkward questions about how the Yondaime got rid of the Kyuubi, which I'm sure Naruto would have been eager to know had he known he's the hokage's son. They couldn't have refused to answer, either, since he could say that as his son, he has a right to know.

*** It is an explanation, true, but there is a hole in it still. Kiba wouldn't really care about Naruto for real because they were only ditching classes together, and his family's training would probably incline him not to associate with Naruto seriously because of his low strength. Shikamaru would be too lazy to care, too. But wasn't the Akimichi clan supposed to really care about their acquaintances, even if they weren't exactly friends? Unless that was an anime-only thing, that is (it was a long time since I've read the early chapters of the manga, and anime added a lot of things that don't exactly make sense).

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=== Naruto's Techniques and Abilities ===

* Naruto and how he learnt the mass shadow clone technique. Let's see, Naruto is presented to have low intellect, the jutsu requires a lot of chakra, and its forbidden (with the connotation of being [[Story-Breaker Power|lethal/godly/powerful]]). What intrigues me is Naruto just learnt this technique by simply reading a big scroll. So would all the forbidden techniques can be learnt at Matrix-download-speed just from a fricken' scroll??

* How did Naruto's summoning of some clones,then dispelling them,give him some chakra back? It's explicitly stated at the very start that any energy used in creating the clones is ''lost''. Oh, and the first poster's very negative views of the main character and his rival just bug me. Most of the serious hardcore yaoi is timed in Shippuuden, whereas fluffy PG crap is pre-timeskip. She would also like to direct the poster to chapter 431. Yes, the impulsive retard taught Konohamaru the Rasengan, and is badass enough to earn his right to scream [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann|GATTAI!]]

** Naruto didn't actually teach Konohamaru the Rasangen, just some striptease or something with the Sexy no Jutsu, that Konohamaru used to teach himself the Rasangen, in less than a minute.

**** Okay rereading that I'll withdraw my last statement.

** My understanding with Naruto's clones is that he divides his chakra out evenly among them when he creates them. If he manually dispels them, he can reobtain that chakra. If the clone is killed, he does not reobtain this chakra. But, knowledge/experience is transferred to Naruto from a clone in either situation. As to Naruto losing chakra during clone creation, he (the original) naturally regains it with time/rest, like stamina. So creating clone "chakra batteries" is plausible.

** Technically the stereotypcial "black ninja gear" sprung from Japanese portrayals of ninja in theatre. Ninja usually just wore normal clothing, which was what made them so terrifying - unlike the obvious samurai, the ninja could be ANYONE. So naturally, whenever Japanese plays portrayed ninjas... they dressed like the stagehands. Now, you'll notice that just about everyone dresses garishly in Naruto-land. So they're blending in just fine! ...and they can always stealth it up with, like, magic, I guess.

*** Actually ninjas did wear black, on night related missions, but they also wore whatever color or color pattern blended more with their environment, black got more popularize by the media because after all, black is cool, but imagine being on a snow field or a sandy field or in plain daylight wearing black, black is not an all time cover color, I'm looking at you Kankuro of the "sand" village (at least his puppets have the correct color).

** Naruto's main techniques consist of creating multiple copies of himself (bad for stealth), making a bright swriling energy ball (very bad for stealth), and summoning a toad the size of a mountain (the exact opposite of stealth). I think it's safe to say he's abandoned the idea entirely.

** Also, orangutans are orange as well, and they are actually pretty well camouflaged in jungle terrain. And [[Fridge Brilliance|where]] is the village hidden in the leaves again?

 

== Sasuke ==

=== Sasuke's Revenge ===

* Wouldn't killing Sasuke end the cycle of revenge, seeing how there's nobody left who cares about him to avenge him should he ever die?

=== Sasuke's Techniques and Fighting Abilities ===

* How does Sasuke expect to take on Kakashi in this latest setup? I mean, let's face it... He just offed Danzo. He's exhausted, while Kakashi is fresh. Even if Sasuke were to assume that Kakashi hadn't gotten more powerful over the three years since they'd last seen one another, why is he assuming that he can take out his former teacher? This isn't about revenge, either. It's not like his fight with Danzo or Itachi, where he went in with a strong emotional backing to want to push the fight to the limit. The sum total of Kakashi's offensiveness to him is Kakashi's association with Konoha. [[Wild Mass Guessing|I assume he's going to split]], because if he actually fights Kakashi at anything but a major disadvantage it'll be a huge [[Ass Pull]].

*** When did Kubo become the [[Mangaka]]? Most likely result, in This Troper's opinion: Kakashi roughes him up, they both try to deal a killing blow, Naruto comes in and saves both of them, then Sasuke does something stupid and ''evil'', which gives Naruto all the reason he needs to beat the tar out of him. Then Sasuke pulls some hax and escapes, or Madara comes in and saves him.

**** Damn you Bleach and your author with a K-sound name! That could work too.

=== Misc. ===

 

** I figured it was either so he would be easier to hear or to keep the collar out of his face when he's charging.

** Fanservice? (I get the feeling that if it ''had'' been the curse seal, Itachi would have been really, really pissed off with Orochimaru. Like, 'I know you lack hatred, but I'm still killing whoever molested my foolish little brother.')

**** She's sixteen.

** One could say the same about Naruto.

** People often like to bully the people they consider below them. It sucks, but they just take it as the natural way of life. I knew plenty of people in my school who were bullied by someone, only to turn and bully the kid that has an even more noticable flaw (for example, like stuttering) and considered below them. Also, keep in mind that Sakura was constantly trying to be one of the cool kids so Sasuke would like her (or did she like Sasuke because it was considered cool?), so since Naruto was the pariah, that made him a target for her.

** It is a Japanese thing. Sakura thumping Naruto is played for laughs. Notice she rarely does any serious damage to him. Moreover, she gets Flanderized in the anime and punches Naruto far, far more than she does in the manga. As for her behaviour towards him in Part 1, she's grown up a bit since then and is beginning to understand him.

** Third option: as the saying goes, "There's old pilots, and there's bold pilots, but there ain't no old, bold pilots." They're old soldiers; they know their limits and what will get the job done.

*** Most of the fighting we've seen has shown the situational nature of any jutsu. Even if Kakashi remembers every technique he's seen, can use all of them, and has the understanding to apply them sensibly, he hasn't lived long enough to have experienced the kind of fight each one ''leads'' to. It could be the same reasoning which leads chess players to specialize in two or three opening combinations, even if they've studied a couple dozen. Kakashi's style is effective, and he does use his knowledge to predict what an opponent is likely to know for strategic or intimidation value (such as that copy-the-jutsu-before-it-starts trick he used on Zabuza). Given how intellectual his combat tactics really are, it might be very difficult to integrate random jutsu into his style... and certainly not a thousand of them.

*** That was what i was about to point out, we will be able to see his power soon. What worries me is that this is going to be [[The Worf Effect|a worf situation]] since he has already set up plans in case of failure and he doesn't know they know he is in the country. At the very least he can't ''win'' this battle.

*** He puts up a pretty damn good fight, and apparently manages to kill one? of Pain's 6 forms. We still have no idea what on earth those freaky eyes do, but Jiraya apparently knew something before his death, and sent off a messanger. Count me as confused.

* Is Orochimaru really dead?

** Given how we're not definitely told whether Sasuke managed to kill him before he completed the soul transfer, just given strong hints, the possibility of an "Orochimaru all along" reveal is strong.

*** And yeah,I thought that was strange and out of character for Kabuto too.

** The way i see it, Orohimaru is dead, his power and personality are infecting Kabuto, his abilities have been absorbed by Sauske.

*** While there hasn't been an update on Kabuto!Maru, Sasuke!Maru is definitely dead. At least he died by one of the few techniques that he couldn't master.

* Why didn't Orochimaru just have his arms amputated after Tsunade refused to heal them? They were causing him intense pain and he couldn't use them anyways.

=== The Senju Clan ===

* Whatever happened to the Senju clan? From what we've seen, it most likely consists of a grand total of three people. The Shodaime, the Nidaime, and one of Tsunade's parent. I doubt they managed to completely die off in less than three generations, and you'd think that Tsunade would remember the murder of her entire clan. Which means that, essentially, that the Uchiha clan's greatest nemisis was three guys. And only one of them could use mokuton jutsu.

** I thought what happened to the Senju clan was that after the village was founded they split apart and are the ancestors of Konoha's current clans besides the Uchiha (and probably most of the village, unless they allow immigration). Though you're 80 years is a pretty short time for that to happen. Perhaps they disbanded as a formal clan at some point for some as of yet unknown reason to simply become the citizens of the village (non-clan members like Sakura, Rock Lee, Tenten, and Naruto), and the non-Uchiha clans were pre-existing and choose to join the village for stabler lives. Or may some combination of the two

*** Perhaps adding support to this we know that the Uzumaki clan was an offshoot of the Senju clan (the manga just says that they are related, but it also clearly calls Naruto a Senju, which could mean a few things, but probably means that the original Uzumakis and the Senju interbred to the point that all Uzumakis share Senju blood, though not the reverse).

 

== Misc ==

** Dude, they're magic ninjas and that's hardly the most surprising thing we've ever seen anyone do in the series.

** Alternatively focusing chakra in ones limbs is a standard technique used by all ninjas explaining the many feats of strength we've seen, Sakura and Tsunade just use it to a much greater degree.

**** Umm... An elemental system is supposed to be based on what happens when two elemental bodies/attacks/manipulations of EQUAL STRENGTH interact. I'm pretty sure your "powerfull enough" description means it would take the jutsu user in question WAY more power to use the obliterating lightning attack than the one who put the rock/earth object in its path.

**** The Magnetism bloodline limit would have made more sense if he had explained it as being, say, an elemental combination of earth and lightning. Running electricity through metal would create an electromagnet, so it would be fairly logical.

** I don't get why fantasy seems to think that because something conducts electricity that electric attacks hurt it more. Think about lightning, when lightning strikes a lake the lake doesn't get hurt because it just channels the electricity into the ground, but when lightning strikes a brick the brick F*** ING EXPLODES! Thus supporting the theory that lightning beats earth

*** The amount of energy it would take to conjure said lightning bolt FAR outclasses what would be required to conjure the brick... Enough to make it more of a case of overpowering the elemental weakness rather than taking advantage of it.

* Was the manga always supposed to be written the way it was now? Looking at the early artbooks and such, it seems like it was supposed to have a completely different feel and plot. It seems like the manga changed midway when Sasuke left. Or was this all according to Kishi's plans?

** Well, this is Kishimoto's first big work. Everything is very rough in the first ten manga volumes, because as a starting manga artist with a huge storyline, it takes awhile for someone to get the hang of drawing so-and-so and to draw this body pose or movement like this. Looking at the early artwork, it was pretty simple and a little amateurish, but with time, Kishimoto stepped up to the plate and developed his own style. That's what happened; Kishimoto finally grabbed hold of his own style of manga drawing when the story was getting serious. Because it takes skill to properly execute the pages upon pages of future unavoidable skirmishes and plot development. If the art sucks, then the story, no matter how good or well-thought out, will suck.

* I understand that Gai and Lee commonly refer to themselves as "The Green Beast" in the anime, and are often shown to wear green in the colored pictures that come in the manga. So why does Lee call himself "Blue Beast" in the manga? I think Gai does it earlier, too. Is this some strange translation error?

** Green is sometimes referred to as blue in Japanese. In traffic lights, for example.

 

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