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=== This is a list of Wild Mass Guesses which are still possibly true. [[Just for Fun]] and silly guesses go on the [[Naruto (Manga)/WMG/Silly/WMG|silly page]]. If a WMG is [[Jossed]], please move it to the [[Naruto (Manga)/WMG/Jossed/WMG|jossed page]], if it is Confirmed, please move it to the [[Naruto (Manga)/WMG/Confirmed/WMG|confirmed page.]] ===

*** [https://web.archive.org/web/20100415145216/http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/72174/12 Those aren't roots], [https://web.archive.org/web/20100417070952/http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/72174/17 they're cracks in the ground.] You can see on [https://web.archive.org/web/20100418112501/http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/72174/3 this page] that the tree was sticking out partially in front of the pillars, so it should have been visible from the other two pages (especially since the pillars in front has a huge gap in it).

Konohamaru copies ''everything'' that Naruto does, so Konohamaru would be inclined to develop a crush on Hanabi just based on knowing: Naruto is in a relationship with Hinata, and Hinata has a little sister. What becomes of Konohamaru because of this is as open ended as [[OC Stand -In|who Hanabi is.]]

As seen in [https://web.archive.org/web/20100729005206/http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/467/14/ this picture,] the {{spoiler|the Ten-Tailed Beast's}} eye was similar to the Sharingan. And chapter 462 reveals that the {{spoiler|Rikudo Sage named a successor from two brothers after he sealed the Ten-Tails into his body, who was the ancestor of the Senju clan, while the other one who wasn't named was the ancestor of the Uchiha. Since Sasuke would likely have some of this power, it explains how Uchiha can control the Tailed-Beasts. This means that Naruto's devotion to Sasuke is because the Kyuubi is drawn to the similar chakra and is, in turn, indirectly influencing Naruto. Whereas the near constantly positive reaction he gets from women is possibly due to them being influenced by Sasuke's latent powers in an attempt to attract a mate to continue that power's existence.}}

** [[You Have Failed Me...]] for the last time. Now die. [applied to ''his entire base'', not just teammates who disagreed but allies who would do anything for him] (Not even the people loyal to him matter, even if their continued living would be kinda useful with regards to the whole completing his revenge thing. Both irrational and supervillianesque. To abandon one's comrades because of philosophical reasons is horrible, but forgivable. To abandon them because their death is more convenient at the moment than life is utterly unforgivable)

**** Knuckles was a [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] when he was manipulated. The fact that Sasuke has displayed ''insane evil laughter'' and had a [[You Have Failed Me...]] moment all his own indicate that while he's being manipulated, there ''is'' evil intent and feeling all his own beyond his manipulator's instructions.

******** This troper would not be surprised that, if Kishimoto wants to draw the story out even more, we see a very-similar-to-Dragonlance time travel arc, probably back to either post-Juubi or the First Hokage's time, to discover Madara's weakness. Especially if they manage to redeem Sasuke in the upcoming fight.

** To ''draw'', yes. He said nothing about his personality. One can appreciate a character's looks (or find them easier to draw than any other character--givencharacter—given how many pages Kishimoto puts out on a regular basis, I wouldn't put it past him to like drawing Sasuke simply because it takes less time and effort to do so) and still despise them as a character.

** Maybe he found out that the Juubi was influnceing him and his fight with Sasuke was an attempt at [[Dying Asas Yourself|ending the Juubi's control over him]] and setting up Sasuke to take out Madara. The crow in Naruto was to deal with Sasuke if he fell under the Juubi's control.

When Madara broke his arm off the inside of it was ''[https://web.archive.org/web/20100406012741/http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/475-10/12 white]''. In [https://web.archive.org/web/20100507051110/http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/486-70/9 the scene] where {{spoiler|he's shown with a regrown arm (which looks to be "fresh" judging by the liquid on it)}} there appears to be a large mass of Zetsu's spores/body parts. The same chapter also showed that white Zetsu {{spoiler|can have the parts flat-out move autonomously, instead of just growing on whoever}}.

At the very least, that's not ''all'' he has planned. [httphttps://wwwweb.archive.org/web/20100507044702/http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/487-75/9 This line (Link's dead)] sounds a bit like a [[Suspiciously Specific Denial]] ("I am absolutely not planning, or have planned, anything other then the hate-fueled destruction of my village and stupid friend, nosireebob"), and I wouldn't put it past Kishimoto to reveal that Madara has been manipulating Sasuke and Naruto's lives since before they were born, [[Inuyasha|Naraku-style]] and that Sasuke has long since figured both that and Madara's [[Instrumentality]] plot.

c) Madara {{spoiler|replaced Sasuke's eyes with Itachi's}}, but there was a flaw in the process -- Iprocess—I don't know, maybe his Tobi personality took over in the middle of it, or he just isn't all he thinks he is -- andis—and it went wrong to a greater ({{spoiler|eyes completely useless for any and all purposes aside for filling in eyelids}}) or lesser ({{spoiler|can't use all those l33t jutsus}}) degree.

* This WMG is like a mini-[[Wish Fulfillment Fic]], [[Dissimile|only it's a WMG and not a Fanfic]]. Sasuke is the patron saint of [[New Powers Asas the Plot Demands]], and with Sasuke having overused his Mangekyo, him having Itachi's eyes would actually [[Xanatos Speed Chess|''benefit'']] Madara.

== During an important, epic future battle: ==

* Alternatively, the Naruto world is stuck at the tail end of the [[Warhammer 40 K,000|Age of Strife]]. Chakra is actually a precurser to [[Psychic Powers|psykers]], but humanity's evolution isn't quite there, yet. Furthermore, everyone's at war, and Naruto has yet to face the true horrors of the rest of the world and unite everyone as the [[God-Emperor]] [[The Messiah|of Mankind]]. Or the [[God-Emperor]] of Mankind will show up (perhaps after the Sixth Hokage's [[Despair Event Horizon|death]]) and, unfortunately, [[Foregone Conclusion|kick everyone's asses]].

* I thought it was the Tailed Beast Rasengan. Y'know, the Rasengan he's learning to use in his new controlled Nine-Tails Mode?

**** The Impure World Ressurection is a pretty weird technique. I'm pretty sure you only need to know what they look like and their name, not their actual body. And the bodies always start off in a minor state of decay, until a fuda tag is placed to completely restore them. It's sort of like a [[Death Note (Manga)|Life Note]]

{{quote| Two things for this: Not only did Orochimaru's summon not manifest, but Madara doesn't have the Kyuubi on his side. Plus, what better fight for Naruto would there be? The personal opponent would also call back to Orochimaru's summoning Sarutobi's senseis.}}

*** I suspect a Minato that intends to kill you but now is immortal would be a radically different fight from their prior battle. The Sage of Six Paths really is the most likely of the people we are currently aware of, nothing else SHOULD be a credible threat to Madara.

** No, the coffin contains [https://web.archive.org/web/20100808040023/http://kiteiii.deviantart.com/art/Naruto-Chapter-490-Parody-160413739 this].

== Naruto and Killerbee will be [[Put Onon a Bus]] for the next 20 or so chapters ==

*** I did. Doesn't mean I agree with it though.

== Much like Enchu of [[Muhyo and Roji's Bureau of Supernatural Investigation]], Sasuke will {{spoiler|make a [[Heel Face Turn]] and then go to prison for life}}. ==

* So the laziest character has been pulling strings so he can be lazy? sounds like a pretty stupid thing for a genius to do.

** Apparently, [[Word of God]] says that his final battle will be against {{spoiler|Sasuke}}. This still is fairly likely to happen, and it could give the [[Elemental Rock-Paper-Scissors]] that Yamato mentioned a chance to come into play, with {{spoiler|Sasuke countering Naruto's Rasen Shuriken with a Fire jutsu or even Amaterasu, and Naruto having to find some way to deal with Sasuke's fire jutsus without water jutsus}}.

[https://web.archive.org/web/20100729005830/http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/500/02/ It has been shown] that Uzu no Kuni is right next to Hi no Kuni. In the water. Since this is a current map, I submit that Uzushiogakure sank underwater. Thus, Uzushiogakure is Atlantis.

* Maybe Madara needs Sasuke to take Itachi's eyes so they get the upgrade, he then steals the eternal Sharingan because he has lost both of his due to overuse of Izanagi.

* But Tobi DID wear that mask....[http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Madara.PNG in a flashback where he helped Itachi massacre the Uchiha.]{{Dead link}} Also, Madara was probably the only Uchiha powerful enough to rip the bijuu right out of it jiinchuriki.

The Juubi is [[Evil Is Not a Toy|too powerful]] for Madara to control, and it will [[Hoist Byby His Own Petard|kill him as soon as he releases it,]] and then go on a rampage. Remember that Pain was confident he could harness the Juubi's power into a weapon that could wipe out an entire country in a single blow, so fighting it would be insanely difficult, unless Naruto found a way [[Chekhov's Gun|to absorb it into himself,]] or [[Book Ends|seal it into Kurenai's baby]] [[Generation Xerox|(or depending on the timeline, perhaps his own child).]]

* Itachi was thirteen when he massacred the clan, so this sounds a bit improbable.

* Or the Edo Tensei will do the same thing.

** "[[Sayonara, Zetsubou Sensei-sensei|I'm in despair! Having to do evil things for the council has left me in despair!]]"

== Sakura is based on a girl (or possibly several), [[Writer Onon Board|that Kishimoto had a crush on, but at best saw him as a good friend, and at worst never gave him the time of day, at least until he got rich and famous.]] ==

He's on the record saying that he thinks women are actually like Sakura, so it's natural to conclude this is the result of bad experiences. Thus, while the unlearned may attribute Sakura's traits to bad writing, this is no accident. Look at the list: [[Deconstruction]] of [[All Girls Want Bad Boys]], highly suspect [[Unrequited Love Switcheroo]], intended to invoke [[This Loser Is You]], [[Faux Action Girl]], the [[Inverted Trope|Veronica]] to an [[Ojou]] in a [[Betty and Veronica]] [[Love Triangle]] despite not being from a major clan and thus not being rich like the [[Rich Bitch|character type normally calls for]]- all this points to serious [[Writer Onon Board]] either lashing out at former unrequited loves or gloating at their [[Green-Eyed Epiphany]].

* There's also the fact that her powers include the ability to pay great attention, so combined with her crush in him means that she could have been was a sorta-stalker.

== Kisame does not have lungs. == Specifically, he does not have HUMAN lungs. The gills on his face are fully operational, and he uses them to breathe. If he hasn't removed his own lungs--probablylungs—probably asked Orochimaru or Sasori to do it--thenit—then these gills are a sort of lung bypass, an integrated SCUBA, if you will. If he was in a fight and someone slashed his gills, Kisame could suffocate, bleed to death, choke on his own blood, or all three. This also means that he's a mouth breather.

Saw this on another site (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=659397{{Dead link}}), and it makes the best damn sense when it comes to what it could be. Edited to avoid spoilers:

Sasuke will come at him full force, and Naruto will counter creating a [[Fantastic Nuke|nuclear-scale explosion]] (if Izanagi is involved, this will go through multiple rounds). In the end, however, Sasuke just isn't that strong in comparison, and so Sasuke [[Hoist Byby His Own Petard|gets vaporized]] while Naruto [[Slap-On-The-Wrist Nuke|walks away,]] albeit battered and bloody, resigning himself to the fact that the only one responsible for Sasuke's death is Sasuke himself, and that in the end, Sasuke wasn't strong enough morally, mentally or physically to go along with his plans.

== Kabuto's attempts at using Zetsu to make a new Deidara/Manda is going to [[Spanner in Thethe Works|cause major problems]] ==

** Then why does he look so different?

... is combining both Experiential and Analytical thinking. Users of even the most basic form of the Sharingan are able to perceive things happening much more slowly than normal (as in Experiential thinking) while retaining the ability to see patterns and formulate plans (as with Analytical thinking). The overall effect of this is that, when active, the Sharingan puts the brain in overdrive, speeding it up to where it can keep up with the user's sight (a good illustration of what would happen without this would be Sasuke's first fight with Lee, where he could mostly see the boy's movements but was unable to do anything about it because his body simply couldn't keep up -- exceptup—except affecting his brain and not his body). The Sharingan's growth (excluding those fancy-shmancy [[New Powers Asas the Plot Demands|upgrades]]) simply further combines the two.

*** Now that Suigetsu and Juugo have gotten out of jail,this troper believes that a Kimimaro vs Juugo is in order(It seems too late for a Suigetsu vs Zabuza at this point).

** Haku and Zabuza are [[Ensemble Darkhorse|Ensemble Darkhorses]]s. Kabuto is [[Dangerously Genre Savvy]] and he realizes their [[Popularity Power]] potential.

** Because the Hokage's can't be resurrected, he is too lazy to get Jiraiya and Kushina might be too hard to obtain her DNA.

Somebody summoned Madara with Edo Tensei and he died before he could finish the jutsu. Even when the summoner is dead, the summon will continue to roam the world. Madara needed to use Izanagi in order to prepare his body to receive the Rinnegan. The mysterious person in Kabuto's coffin is the person who summoned Madara, the only person who could send him to the "Pure World" again.

== As an alternative to the above, Kishimoto [[Sure Why Not|canonizes]] the [[OTOne 3True Threesome|Clan]] [[Tenchi Solution|Restoration Act]]. ==

Think of all the jutsu power-ups and new [[Super Mode|super modes]] he has been acquiring lately: Sage Mode, Demon Fox Sage Mode, Neo Tailed Beast/Ninjassiah Mode, Rasenshuriken, Giant Rasengan, Rasenrengan, and now the Tailed Beast Bomb (which is everything the Rasengan is, only kicked [[Up to Eleven|up to eleven]] and given a [[Badass|badass]] make-over). Awesome, right? Well, consider this: the Tailed Beast Bomb is essentially the Rasengan, only with an arbitrarily wonky yin-yang chakra ratio. As far as we know thus far, ''there is nothing to keep Naruto from eventually applying all the boosts and variations he has added to the vanilla Rasengan to the Tailed Beast Bomb itself''. Heck, all he really needs to do to unlock his full arsenal for use in his Neo Tailed Beast Mode is become friends with the Nine Tailed Demon Fox. Think about that for a second: all that Naruto Uzumaki, originator of [[Fan Nickname|Therapy no Jutsu]], whose greatest skill has been stated to be his [[Friend to All Living Things|uncanny charisma]] and [[The Messiah|outgoing personality]], needs to do to achieve an unparalelled level of raw, unlimited power is befriend the demon sealed in his stomach -- astomach—a feat that others have managed to do just fine. [[Forgone Conclusion|The outcome is obvious]].

How else would Kabuto know about Madara's whereabouts and identity. Not to mention that Kabuto was able to get his hands on the remains of every important Shinobi.

* Not necessarily. He needs their DNA but there's no (stated) reason it needs to come from a corpse. It's likely for starters that much of his collection of DNA came from Oorochimaru's collection. We've already seen enough to know they have hospitals in this world. So you disguise yourself walk right in draw blood from anybody who looks remotely interesting keep it labeled some place and keep an eye on the local obituaries. Alternately he could visit the sights of well recent battles and seach for kunai.

The way I interpreted things, Danzo somehow witnessed that Madara was behind the Kyuubi attack on Konoha which claimed the life of the Fourth and got it sealed into Naruto. Madara knew Danzo witnessed it, leading to their meeting, mentioned before Sasuke v Danzo. Danzo agreed to sell out the Uchihas who had betrayed Konoha if Madara gave him carte blanche access to the aftermath and some information regarding the Kyuubi. Lacking a man on the inside, Madara agreed. Danzo started spreading rumors that the Uchiha were behind the Kyuubi attack, which was plausible to the general population for two reasons: first, Madara had fought the First Hokage and had used the Kyuubi; second, the Uchiha had to be defeated by the Senju (read: Madara had to be defeated by Hashirama) in order for Konoha to be fully stabilized. The Second Hokage clearly had a dual intention in making them the police force; they played a major role in village security and order given their powers, and thus, ordinary citizens would learn to trust them. But their visible role would let him keep an eye on them, especially considering he came from that same war-torn era as the First and Madara. Anywho, the villagers started outwardly discriminating against the Uchiha, who had already been moved to the outskirts of town (right? I think that happened before the Kyuubi attack). The Uchiha got pissed and noted that the Third wasn't doing much (even if that was due to a lack of ability given the circumstances), and started actually plotting a coup. Really a giant [[Plan]] by Danzo. He pointed to this coup, and the two elders, already being hardliners, jumped in and agreed. The Third tried negotiations, but was trapped between a rock and a hard place: on the one hand, war with the Uchihas would cause a Fourth Ninja World War as Konoha would be weakened and others would try to take the Land of Fire; on the other, the villagers and Uchihas were completely suspicious of each other and could generally find no reason to overcome that mistrust. Things came to a head eventually when negotiations broke down. Danzo, in the meantime, used the ace in his sleeve: Itachi, the prodigy of the Uchihas, who was a mentally unstable pacifist who wanted (almost like Pain) peace at all costs due to his witnessing of the Third World War. Using what he learned from Madara, he told Itachi (who was in the ANBU, and, therefore, probably under Danzo's influence) to seek the tablet (or just told him how to acquire the Mangyeko Sharingan). He sics him on Shisui, who has the same relationship with Itachi as Itachi does with Sasuke (or so I figure). Itachi slays Shisui, whose murder further alienates Itachi and lets Danzo swoop in and acquire his right arm and right eye. Madara, watching from afar, approaches Itachi. Itachi figures out the truth (Madara wants revenge on Konoha as a whole, not just the Uchihas), but decides to work with Madara for the fateful night to eliminate the clan, since they have the same objective regarding the clan, if different reasons. Boom!~Uchihas massacred; Itachi goes with Madara after ensuring the Third protects Sasuke to prevent any further action against Konoha; Danzo gets his eyes and his Sharingan powers (50% of what he needs to tame the beast and use its powers), and the coup, civil war, and world war is prevented.

== Samehada and Zetsu have a related origin ==

Both can absorb Chakra and are [[Eldritch Abomination|Eldritch Abominations]]s.

He didn't die but was defeated by his own son(s). But because he was so powerful he wasn't killed and had a vastly enhaced life span considering he is the ancestor of the Uzumaki. The son(s) took the Demon Sage's rinnegan eyes away.

The real Madara was killed by the first but the Demon Sage stole his sharingan. When he tells Pain that he gave the rinnegan to him, what he means is that he is his ancestor.

Although the Demon Sage was powerful and though his son(s) inherited his powers they are still distinct entities. Much like the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He needs all three of their traits to be all powerful which is why he retains the sharingan and he sought the power of the Senju.

This is how he comes to know so much about the Sage because He IS the Sage.

*** Actually, it's likely that the "six paths" in series refers to the unique abilities used by Nagato's Six Paths of Pain: Deva Path (''Tendō'') [can control gravity], Animal Path (''Chikushōdō'') [summons crazy stuff], Preta Path (''Gakidō'') [absorbs chakra and ninjutsu], Human Path (''Ningendō'') [can pull out people's souls to instantly learn everything they know], Asura Path (''Shuradō'') [... is a cyborg...?], Naraka Path (''Jigokudō'') [can summon...] the Outer Path (Gedō) [power over life and death], which is the seventh path. Additionally, the "''rinne''" in "''rinnegan''" is the Japanese term for "''[[wikipedia:Sa%E1%B9%83s%C4%81raSaṃsāra chr(28)Buddhismchr(29Buddhism)|Samsara]]''" (the Buddhist cycle of reincarnation), and each of the Six Paths of Pain corresponds to a path in the Samsara cycle. So, while nice, this theory is probably not correct.

Madara is as powerful as Hashirama, pupils always exceed their masters, so Sarutobi is stronger than Madara. This explains why Madara did not attack Kohona when Sarutobi was Hokage.

** Hiruzen was trained by both, albeit mostly by Tobirama.

** That is wrong on several different levels. Konan's explicitly been stated to have over six '''billion''' explosive notes at her disposal. Deidara's most powerful bomb destroys everything within ten kilometers of himself, or roughly six miles. If we assume that's a six-mile radius, that's about 450 square miles destroyed. If you assume that, if each and every one of Konan's explosive notes destroyed a '''''ridiculously''''' undervalued one square foot of real estate, and each one destroyed a separate square foot, then she could potentially wipe out over a '''''million''''' square miles. That's bigger than most countries.

** Yes, I was planning on using Kumo as an example if anyone asked for examples of [[Gratuitous English]]. Besides Kumo having characters whose names are just Roman letters and whose jutsu have English names written with kanji that somewhat match the pronounciation,<ref> for example, Laser Circus is written with kanji that would otherwise be pronounced ''Reiza Sakaso''</ref>, we also have Jiraiya's ''Icha Icha'' Series .<ref> ''Icha Icha Paradaisu'', ''Icha Icha Baiorensu'' and ''Icha Icha Takutikusu''</ref>. Also, Naruto has said "Good morning" in at least one episode, and I'm pretty sure Sakura said "Ok!" at one point. Where do these English words come from?

[[Exactly What It Says Onon the Tin]].

** [[Unstoppable Rage|Swiftly transforming all the way up to]] [[Four Is Death|his four tailed form]] and beyond,

** Going through an existential crisis even while being [[What Do You Mean Its Not Symbolic|tempted by the Fox]], who offers to [[Deal Withwith the Devil|destroy anything that causes him pain in exchange for being set loose]].

* Point Three: Since the end of Pain's invasion, Naruto has given no indication of being aware of Hinata's feelings for him.

** Most likely Point 4, since she told him before he went berserk, and Kishimoto seems to want romance left in the background if it has to be in the story at all, also Naruto is still a fairly silly teenager so figuring out how he feels about Hinata probably doesnt top his list of priorities when he is being hunted by powerful ninjas.

* If this [https://web.archive.org/web/20090220173845/http://nocturnaltravel.12.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=138 website.] is anything to by, the theory of Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, and Susano'o fits the three Uchihas perfectly (Especially Sasuke and Madara, seeing that former's hatred will lead to rage, and the latter revealed his Moon's Eye plan). Kushinada-Hime somewhat makes sense with Hinata, Seeing that Hime literally means "princess" or "Young lady of Noble birth" (and she has a [[Hime Cut]]).

Madara gained the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan which let the Ten Tails spirit possess him.

Let's say for the sake of argument that the Death God Seal was invented by the 4th Hokage going forward with this, and the "eternal battle" being fought in its stomach consists of all four dead Hokage, half the Kyuubi, and Orochimaru's arms. Given that the first was there, the half of the Kyuubi got curb-stomped and tamed a while back, but now the 4th's conversation with Naruto has alerted the Kages to the state of affairs outside, and they're combining their powers with the space/time jutsu mastery of the 4th and 2nd to penetrate the walls of the dimension they've been forced into. As Madara seems to reach his hour of triumph, all four Hokage will burst out of the Death God's stomach and subject him to a [[Big Good]] [[Boss Rush]]. After the mother of all [[Curb Stomp Battle|Curb Stomp Battles]]s, the Hokages have a [[So Proud of You]] moment with Naruto and the ninja that have fought for the Will Of Fire before they and Orochimaru's arms (but not the rest of him) pass on to rest in peace rather than eternal torment.

* I doubt that will be the end though; that's too convienent. Something will have to go [[Horribly Wrong]].

* Plausible, he does seem to resemble the oldest male Uzumaki that has been [https://web.archive.org/web/20130430205123/http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Uzumaki_Clan_Leader seen] so far

== The rest of the Sound Five has been [[Back Fromfrom the Dead|brought back]] ==

It's kind of like with Piccolo in [[DragonballDragon Ball]], where a separate being was made from him, and if the host dies, they die.

During the first on-screen Akatsuki meeting, some of the holograms were unrecognizable.

{{spoiler|We also know that Madara now has the Gedo Mazo statue which contains tailed beast Chakra. Now combine that with the fact that one of Pain's very abilities is both ripping your soul out AND resurrecting the dead, (Completely, and not an "artificial" version like Kabuto's).}}

{{spoiler|Of course, a lot of this also depends if the remaining Jinchuuriki still have their tailed beast powers, but again Gedo Mazo. Madara has the beasts, so he could distribute them as he chose, but again . Now if it was simple to place the tailed beasts into dead bodies, then why not add Shukaku? Why focus only six of the seven beasts you have, leaving out one that would further increase your chances at victory?}}

And it will focus on [[After the End|the apocalyptic after-effects of the Juubi's chakra after being released from the moon.]] Needless to say, it will be [[Darker and Edgier|more serious]] than ever, to the point Naruto might end up becoming a [[Knight in Sour Armor|broken idealist]] a la [[Fate/stay Stay Nightnight|Archer]]

We've known all along that Kabuto is the pragmatic type, so revenge isn't his style, and he already has more than enough Edo Tensei puppets. Orochimaru has wanted to take over Sasuke's body for years, and now Sasuke has the Mangekyou Sharingan, so why should he settle for less? Also, Kabuto's claim that he has no particular reason outside of scientific curiosity to exchange such a powerful war force for one person is clearly [[Blatant Lies]]--and—and why wouldn't he just tell Madara if he wanted revenge or to zombify Sasuke? We've also seen that Orochimaru is extremely hard to kill, and almost took over Sasuke before Itachi sealed him away. Kabuto has also changed considerably since absorbing Orochimaru's cells, and not just appearance-wise: he's never shown this level of deviousness or initiative before, so Orochimaru is probably the one pulling the strings.

* Their chakra and kekkei genkai are pretty much built to control the big evil fuzz ball, they also tend to be more tricksters and using illusions, the hat of kitsune. There does seem to be a genetic or family tie to having the eldritch abomination stuck in the next generation, the Senju were their protectors and the

== 'Madara' is to Madara what [[Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep|Vanitas was to Ventus]] ==

Tobi is really the Senju Clan Ancestor who lost his idealism. He believes that the only way to obtain peace is through mind control. Tobi used Izanagi which would require Senju DNA. His Izanagi was complete because he didn't use implanted DNA. Not to mention that the Senju Clan Ancestor also has the same [https://web.archive.org/web/20140328225618/http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110317173150/naruto/images/thumb/4/4e/Senju_Ancestor_Anime.jpg/300px-Senju_Ancestor_Anime.jpg spiky hair.]

** This makes sense, but IMO, it's less shipping disagreements alone and more so about the show painfully, painfully, PAINFULLY lacking cohesive artistic direction. (and IMO, the Bleach and One Piece animes suffer from this too)

== At some point, Tobi will try a [[You and What Army?]] on Naruto ==

...When he finds out Sasuke's still alive/Tobi was an Uchiha all along. It will entirely be for "kill the guy I should have killed"/"off that laying bastard" purposes and he'll go back to being a criminal the second the war ends. How?

Place your guesses here.

He will be a [[Spanner in Thethe Works]] for Itachi and try to kill Kabuto, eliminating all possibilities of stopping the technique. With Kabuto dead, Madara will be free to reassume the control of the Moon's Eye Plan once Naruto kills Tobi.

Kishi has previously mentioned that Itachi is basically his attempt at writing God as a human, and with Naruto being [[The Messia|The Messiah]]h and whatnot, where does this put Sasuke? As a foil to both of them in some certain aspects, does this make Sasuke Satan? Though the manga has never leaned towards any kind of religion (other than Narutoism), writing God does tend to mean you have to have some kind of opposite, i.e. the Devil. Although Pein mirrored what Naruto could have become if things were different, he was at least [[Heroic Sacrifice|repentant]] in the [[Redemption Equals Death|end]], but we have seen zero remorse from Sasuke about pretty much everything, and he's starting to look more and more [[Complete Monster|completely evil]] as the story progresses. As Naruto's opposite pretty much from day one, this makes Sasuke Satan to Naruto's Jesus.

* Alternatively Sasuke will attempt to force Uzumaki Karin to be the mother of his restored clan (how ironic) to breed the Rinnegan into all of them.

[[WMG: The Sage of the six Paths was the offspring of an {{spoiler|Uzumaki}}and a {{spoiler|Hyuga.}}]]

*** Right. Kushina was physically exhausted after the extraction, but still alive. She was going to die by taking Kurama with her using her chakra, but she wound up dying to save Naruto from Kurama's attack. Naruto wouldn't die from the extraction unless Tobi gets some [[New Powers Asas the Plot Demands]], but Naruto dying at all still seems unlikely.

To cast that huge-ass Genjutsu and reflect it in the Moon, he needs to become Juubi so he'll have enough power. How? Being the ultimate Jinchuuriki.

1.- He wants a freaking strong body that can take the abuse of malevolent chakra without crashing down (like Naruto's after ?th tail).

Itachi is Sasuke's [[Morality Chain]]. Sasuke was perfectly sane (if a bit angsty) when Itachi was still alive. When Itachi died, Sasuke began to lose it (admittedly, it took a bit of prodding from Tobi). However, with Itachi back on the scene, Sasuke is far more sane than he has been in 100 chapters. Seeing Itachi crumble before his eyes from the released Edo Tensei would...would...[[Go Mad Fromfrom the Revelation|urk!]]