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******** This troper would not be surprised that, if Kishimoto wants to draw the story out even more, we see a very-similar-to-Dragonlance time travel arc, probably back to either post-Juubi or the First Hokage's time, to discover Madara's weakness. Especially if they manage to redeem Sasuke in the upcoming fight.

* I thought it was the Tailed Beast Rasengan. Y'know, the Rasengan he's learning to use in his new controlled Nine-Tails Mode?

*** I suspect a Minato that intends to kill you but now is immortal would be a radically different fight from their prior battle. The Sage of Six Paths really is the most likely of the people we are currently aware of, nothing else SHOULD be a credible threat to Madara.

*** I did. Doesn't mean I agree with it though.

== Much like Enchu of [[Muhyo and Roji]], Sasuke will {{spoiler|make a [[Heel Face Turn]] and then go to prison for life}}. ==

* So the laziest character has been pulling strings so he can be lazy? sounds like a pretty stupid thing for a genius to do.

** Apparently, [[Word of God]] says that his final battle will be against {{spoiler|Sasuke}}. This still is fairly likely to happen, and it could give the [[Elemental Rock-Paper-Scissors]] that Yamato mentioned a chance to come into play, with {{spoiler|Sasuke countering Naruto's Rasen Shuriken with a Fire jutsu or even Amaterasu, and Naruto having to find some way to deal with Sasuke's fire jutsus without water jutsus}}.

* Maybe Madara needs Sasuke to take Itachi's eyes so they get the upgrade, he then steals the eternal Sharingan because he has lost both of his due to overuse of Izanagi.

* Itachi was thirteen when he massacred the clan, so this sounds a bit improbable.

* Or the Edo Tensei will do the same thing.

* There's also the fact that her powers include the ability to pay great attention, so combined with her crush in him means that she could have been was a sorta-stalker.

** Then why does he look so different?

== All of Kabuto's actions can be explained with one word - [[Yandere]] ==

*** Now that Suigetsu and Juugo have gotten out of jail,this troper believes that a Kimimaro vs Juugo is in order(It seems too late for a Suigetsu vs Zabuza at this point).

** Because the Hokage's can't be resurrected, he is too lazy to get Jiraiya and Kushina might be too hard to obtain her DNA.

Somebody summoned Madara with Edo Tensei and he died before he could finish the jutsu. Even when the summoner is dead, the summon will continue to roam the world. Madara needed to use Izanagi in order to prepare his body to receive the Rinnegan. The mysterious person in Kabuto's coffin is the person who summoned Madara, the only person who could send him to the "Pure World" again.

== As an alternative to the above, Kishimoto [[Sure Why Not|canonizes]] the [[OT 3|Clan]] [[Tenchi Solution|Restoration Act]]. ==

How else would Kabuto know about Madara's whereabouts and identity. Not to mention that Kabuto was able to get his hands on the remains of every important Shinobi.

* Not necessarily. He needs their DNA but there's no (stated) reason it needs to come from a corpse. It's likely for starters that much of his collection of DNA came from Oorochimaru's collection. We've already seen enough to know they have hospitals in this world. So you disguise yourself walk right in draw blood from anybody who looks remotely interesting keep it labeled some place and keep an eye on the local obituaries. Alternately he could visit the sights of well recent battles and seach for kunai.

The way I interpreted things, Danzo somehow witnessed that Madara was behind the Kyuubi attack on Konoha which claimed the life of the Fourth and got it sealed into Naruto. Madara knew Danzo witnessed it, leading to their meeting, mentioned before Sasuke v Danzo. Danzo agreed to sell out the Uchihas who had betrayed Konoha if Madara gave him carte blanche access to the aftermath and some information regarding the Kyuubi. Lacking a man on the inside, Madara agreed. Danzo started spreading rumors that the Uchiha were behind the Kyuubi attack, which was plausible to the general population for two reasons: first, Madara had fought the First Hokage and had used the Kyuubi; second, the Uchiha had to be defeated by the Senju (read: Madara had to be defeated by Hashirama) in order for Konoha to be fully stabilized. The Second Hokage clearly had a dual intention in making them the police force; they played a major role in village security and order given their powers, and thus, ordinary citizens would learn to trust them. But their visible role would let him keep an eye on them, especially considering he came from that same war-torn era as the First and Madara. Anywho, the villagers started outwardly discriminating against the Uchiha, who had already been moved to the outskirts of town (right? I think that happened before the Kyuubi attack). The Uchiha got pissed and noted that the Third wasn't doing much (even if that was due to a lack of ability given the circumstances), and started actually plotting a coup. Really a giant [[Plan]] by Danzo. He pointed to this coup, and the two elders, already being hardliners, jumped in and agreed. The Third tried negotiations, but was trapped between a rock and a hard place: on the one hand, war with the Uchihas would cause a Fourth Ninja World War as Konoha would be weakened and others would try to take the Land of Fire; on the other, the villagers and Uchihas were completely suspicious of each other and could generally find no reason to overcome that mistrust. Things came to a head eventually when negotiations broke down. Danzo, in the meantime, used the ace in his sleeve: Itachi, the prodigy of the Uchihas, who was a mentally unstable pacifist who wanted (almost like Pain) peace at all costs due to his witnessing of the Third World War. Using what he learned from Madara, he told Itachi (who was in the ANBU, and, therefore, probably under Danzo's influence) to seek the tablet (or just told him how to acquire the Mangyeko Sharingan). He sics him on Shisui, who has the same relationship with Itachi as Itachi does with Sasuke (or so I figure). Itachi slays Shisui, whose murder further alienates Itachi and lets Danzo swoop in and acquire his right arm and right eye. Madara, watching from afar, approaches Itachi. Itachi figures out the truth (Madara wants revenge on Konoha as a whole, not just the Uchihas), but decides to work with Madara for the fateful night to eliminate the clan, since they have the same objective regarding the clan, if different reasons. Boom!~Uchihas massacred; Itachi goes with Madara after ensuring the Third protects Sasuke to prevent any further action against Konoha; Danzo gets his eyes and his Sharingan powers (50% of what he needs to tame the beast and use its powers), and the coup, civil war, and world war is prevented.

== Samehada and Zetsu have a related origin ==

He didn't die but was defeated by his own son(s). But because he was so powerful he wasn't killed and had a vastly enhaced life span considering he is the ancestor of the Uzumaki. The son(s) took the Demon Sage's rinnegan eyes away.

The real Madara was killed by the first but the Demon Sage stole his sharingan. When he tells Pain that he gave the rinnegan to him, what he means is that he is his ancestor.

Although the Demon Sage was powerful and though his son(s) inherited his powers they are still distinct entities. Much like the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He needs all three of their traits to be all powerful which is why he retains the sharingan and he sought the power of the Senju.

This is how he comes to know so much about the Sage because He IS the Sage.

Madara is as powerful as Hashirama, pupils always exceed their masters, so Sarutobi is stronger than Madara. This explains why Madara did not attack Kohona when Sarutobi was Hokage.

** Hiruzen was trained by both, albeit mostly by Tobirama.

** That is wrong on several different levels. Konan's explicitly been stated to have over six '''billion''' explosive notes at her disposal. Deidara's most powerful bomb destroys everything within ten kilometers of himself, or roughly six miles. If we assume that's a six-mile radius, that's about 450 square miles destroyed. If you assume that, if each and every one of Konan's explosive notes destroyed a '''''ridiculously''''' undervalued one square foot of real estate, and each one destroyed a separate square foot, then she could potentially wipe out over a '''''million''''' square miles. That's bigger than most countries.

** [[Unstoppable Rage|Swiftly transforming all the way up to]] [[Four Is Death|his four tailed form]] and beyond,

* Point Three: Since the end of Pain's invasion, Naruto has given no indication of being aware of Hinata's feelings for him.

** Most likely Point 4, since she told him before he went berserk, and Kishimoto seems to want romance left in the background if it has to be in the story at all, also Naruto is still a fairly silly teenager so figuring out how he feels about Hinata probably doesnt top his list of priorities when he is being hunted by powerful ninjas.

Madara gained the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan which let the Ten Tails spirit possess him.

Let's say for the sake of argument that the Death God Seal was invented by the 4th Hokage going forward with this, and the "eternal battle" being fought in its stomach consists of all four dead Hokage, half the Kyuubi, and Orochimaru's arms. Given that the first was there, the half of the Kyuubi got curb-stomped and tamed a while back, but now the 4th's conversation with Naruto has alerted the Kages to the state of affairs outside, and they're combining their powers with the space/time jutsu mastery of the 4th and 2nd to penetrate the walls of the dimension they've been forced into. As Madara seems to reach his hour of triumph, all four Hokage will burst out of the Death God's stomach and subject him to a [[Big Good]] [[Boss Rush]]. After the mother of all [[Curb Stomp Battle|Curb Stomp Battles]], the Hokages have a [[So Proud of You]] moment with Naruto and the ninja that have fought for the Will Of Fire before they and Orochimaru's arms (but not the rest of him) pass on to rest in peace rather than eternal torment.

* I doubt that will be the end though; that's too convienent. Something will have to go [[Horribly Wrong]].

During the first on-screen Akatsuki meeting, some of the holograms were unrecognizable.

{{spoiler|We also know that Madara now has the Gedo Mazo statue which contains tailed beast Chakra. Now combine that with the fact that one of Pain's very abilities is both ripping your soul out AND resurrecting the dead, (Completely, and not an "artificial" version like Kabuto's).}}

{{spoiler|Of course, a lot of this also depends if the remaining Jinchuuriki still have their tailed beast powers, but again Gedo Mazo. Madara has the beasts, so he could distribute them as he chose, but again . Now if it was simple to place the tailed beasts into dead bodies, then why not add Shukaku? Why focus only six of the seven beasts you have, leaving out one that would further increase your chances at victory?}}

* Their chakra and kekkei genkai are pretty much built to control the big evil fuzz ball, they also tend to be more tricksters and using illusions, the hat of kitsune. There does seem to be a genetic or family tie to having the eldritch abomination stuck in the next generation, the Senju were their protectors and the

** This makes sense, but IMO, it's less shipping disagreements alone and more so about the show painfully, painfully, PAINFULLY lacking cohesive artistic direction. (and IMO, the Bleach and One Piece animes suffer from this too)

...When he finds out Sasuke's still alive/Tobi was an Uchiha all along. It will entirely be for "kill the guy I should have killed"/"off that laying bastard" purposes and he'll go back to being a criminal the second the war ends. How?

Place your guesses here.

Kishi has previously mentioned that Itachi is basically his attempt at writing God as a human, and with Naruto being [[The Messia|The Messiah]] and whatnot, where does this put Sasuke? As a foil to both of them in some certain aspects, does this make Sasuke Satan? Though the manga has never leaned towards any kind of religion (other than Narutoism), writing God does tend to mean you have to have some kind of opposite, i.e. the Devil. Although Pein mirrored what Naruto could have become if things were different, he was at least [[Heroic Sacrifice|repentant]] in the [[Redemption Equals Death|end]], but we have seen zero remorse from Sasuke about pretty much everything, and he's starting to look more and more [[Complete Monster|completely evil]] as the story progresses. As Naruto's opposite pretty much from day one, this makes Sasuke Satan to Naruto's Jesus.

* Alternatively Sasuke will attempt to force Uzumaki Karin to be the mother of his restored clan (how ironic) to breed the Rinnegan into all of them.

To cast that huge-ass Genjutsu and reflect it in the Moon, he needs to become Juubi so he'll have enough power. How? Being the ultimate Jinchuuriki.

1.- He wants a freaking strong body that can take the abuse of malevolent chakra without crashing down (like Naruto's after ?th tail).