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== The series is Shinji (failing at) imagining a harem-fantasy world with mecha elements ==
Plenty of the basic character archetypes are there: bottle fairy Misato, shy blue-haired girl Rei (who in a normal harem anime would eventually learn to love with Shinji's help), quirky school friends Toji and Kensuke, [[Tsundere]] Asuka, gag character Pen-Pen, etc. The problem is, real!Shinji has as much emotional problems as anime!Shinji, and as a result, his dream world also falls apart:
* Some scenes which are typically played for laughs in a romantic comedy anime (a good example is Shinji accidentally groping Rei) turn out incredibly awkward, decidedly unfunny and not sexy.
* The "Dance Like You Want To Win!" episode, in which an Angel is defeated... through the power of synchronized dance, which sounds a lot like the dream of an imaginative young child.
* Piloting the Eva is not a fun part-time job, it's a traumatizing experience that eventually leads to
* Gendo, Shinji's estranged father, isn't simply a wacky dad (think Ichigo's dad in ''[[Bleach]]''), he actively neglects Shinji and real!Gendo is the cause of much of his emotional problems in the real world as well as real!Shinji's fantasy.
* As real!Shinji grows older and starts immersing himself less in his fantasy world, it becomes less coherent and more like random imaginings (represented in the show by the final two episodes).
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With all that {{spoiler|LCL everywhere}}, you just know that somewhere out there Kel is screaming "WHO LOVES ORANGE SODA?".
== The Dead Sea Scrolls are really the lyrics to ''Imagine'' by [[John Lennon]]. ==
Expelling everything separating people for a perfect, unified peace is what ''Imagine'' is trying to say. Take it literally and way too far and that's essentially Instrumentality in a nutshell.
== ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' is just like ''[[Brazil (
The Instrumentality, episodes 25-26, and even [[Rebuild of Evangelion]] were just the results of Shinji going insane from his tormented mind.
* See the [[Surprisingly Similar Stories]] page for more.
==
The entire show is just Gainax loling at us. They just made massive money because we all
* I actually agree with this one, minus the loling. This statement may get me committed, but if you take the show literally, and letting what happens on screen actually be what happens, the story is actually rather straightforward. Boy gets recruited to fight monsters, boy fights monsters, ancient conspiracy plots to have morally ambiguous things happen, morally ambiguous things happen. Grossly oversimplified, but anything too weird really can just be accepted as delusions or just visuals so that the scene doesn't take place with just text on a screen, which I may remind you happens eventually anyway. ... Pretty quickly, actually.
* Confirmed. The following quote is by the production staff, confirming that at least the Christian symbolism has no meaning at all. "There are a lot of giant robot shows in Japan, and we did want our story to have a religious theme to help distinguish us. Because Christianity is an uncommon religion in Japan we thought it would be mysterious. None of the staff who worked on Eva are Christians. There is no actual Christian meaning to the show, we just thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool. If we had known the show would get distributed in the US and Europe we might have rethought that choice."
== By the time of ''End of Evangelion'', Shinji Ikari became an [[Omnicidal Maniac]] and a potential [[Nietzsche Wannabe]] ==
Seriously, he even exclaimed "Everyone just die" while simultaneously letting God kill off humanity and collect their souls, just because of his growing madness caused by his chains of [[Freudian Excuse]] after [[Freudian Excuse]], and the realization on how pointless his efforts are when it still leads to [[The End of the World
== The reason why Seele wanted to get rid of those Angels is because the Angels are going to fuck up Instrumentality in a ''non-lethal'' fashion. In other words, the Angels are actually going to prevent the Apocalypse ==
Well this speculation came into this troper's head when the so-called [[Assimilation Plot]] perpetrated by Seele turns out to be nothing more than a [[Suicidal Cosmic Temper Tantrum]] [[This Is Your Premise
Also, all those ramblings about the Angels trying to understand humanity. Armisael, who complains on how Angels had to live massively lonely lives wandering the stars forever, and Kaworu, who appreciates Human art and culture despite being not Human, are pretty much lampshades on the Angels' plot of not trying to wipe out humanity, but actually trying to become humans.
So, where are we left? We can also say that whether it's Adam or Lilith, both end up in a [[Suicidal Cosmic Temper Tantrum]]. But, if Seele is just obsessed with a [[Suicidal Cosmic Temper Tantrum]], why not do it with letting the supposedly "[[Omnicidal Maniac]]" angels let it do the majority of the fuckup for them? Why not simply tie up Eva-01 with the Hand of Gendo and a Lance of Longinus up on the Empire State Building and let the angels take care of the business? Or even better, why need Evas at all? Why be such douchebags who screwed-up the mental and emotional life of innocent 14-year-olds? They can just fuse Adam and Lilith, create a god, and pretty much use the god's "omnipotent powers" to [[Deus Ex Machina]] the angels out of existence.
Well, besides the fact that if a god was created on the first try and then used against the Angels the plot would end up as either a boring [[God Mode Sue]] or a [[Space Runaway Ideon]] ripoff if the Angels are at least a challenge with truly Lovecraftian superpowers, we might as well assume that the Angels are going to fuck up Instrumentality so badly it instead prevents Instrumentality and leads to the Angels becoming Kaworu-esque humans. Seele, being the douchebags that they are, instead inverted the whole fact and said that "the Angels are going to annihilate us and the only pathway for humanity's survival is for us to strike first". It can be asked, why go to such lengths? There are like a hundred ways for the destruction of humanity, right? Answer: Human Nature. Sure, Seele might be [[Omnicidal Maniac]] [[Nietzsche Wannabe
== The real reason why Seele planned the Instrumentality is solely because they are extremely paranoid and fearful about Death / Hell / Gehenna / Tartarus / Underworld / The Afterlife / something like that ==
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== The First Ancestral Race is actually the Rei/Adam/Lilith/Shinji Merger from the future, sending itself back into time/another dimension to create Alternate Universes! ==
First, we don't know much of anything about what the First Ancestral Race actually were, except that they made Adam and Lilith. And if somehow those two merged, they essentially become a God that can mess with reality/create new reality/whatever the hell it wants. Unless the First Ancestral Race itself has power equal to that, how can it make something so utterly mindboggling? Because it made itself....IN THE FUTURE/ORIGINAL ALTERNATE DIMENSION! And the reason it keeps crashing into Earth and doing...whatever, is because the Shinji Part the Merger of it really, really, wants a world where someone who shares his Soul is happy.
The Lance of Longinus is actually not unique at all in the end though, since it could easily be replicated just by normal technology. Divine Merger Shinji/Rei sent copies of it to each new Earth/AU, just in case something goes wrong again.
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This all makes total sense. And the Dead Sea Scrolls was written by Kaworu! Who then sent it into the Past so SEELE could read it and engineer the events that would this insane Egg made it's own Chicken that would make it's Egg nonsense possible. I mean, how the hell could Humans magically understand an Alien Language so perfectly? Because Kaworu had already written it PRECISELY so SEELE could translate it!
And those Spectral Rei's are all the representations of the Rei/Shinji/Adam/Lilith Merger checking on each Earth/AU's progress.
== Neon Genesis Evangelion takes place from the perspective of a hedgehog ==
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== The Instrumentality is a metaphor for Euthanasia ==
It's obvious.
== The Instrumentality is a metaphor for Nirvana ==
It's also obvious.
** It's a metaphor for the general concept of "heaven" held by almost all religions. Yeah, this is about 99.9% confirmed.
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** You must have a very sick mind, then.
== Crazy, mentally broken people who are isloated from humanity are the only ones who can effectively pilot
Since these isolated kids are the most singled out from everyone else, they are the only ones whose condition has passed a threshold where their lonliness mainfests as a strong AT Fields. The more disconnected from humanity these kids are, the more powerful their AT- Fields are. Remember that none of these kids can empathize (Asuka and/ are socially awkward (Rei). This goes along with the Hedgehog's Dilemma theory, as it explains why these kids are unable to connect with other; the fear of being hurt by getting closer to others. Fearing others, the kids form natural mental barriers to keep others out. The more barriers, the stronger AT-Field. Of course is the case of {{spoiler|the 5th pilot in Rebuild 2.0}} she is so detached from everyone, she has AT -Fields, of course hers aren't as powerful as the other 3 as their detachment from humanity is more extreme than her's; she's only uninterested in humanity while the rest reject it. * [[
* So does this mean that the Lance of Longinus, with its anti-AT-Field is a stick of "cheer up, emo kid!"?
* Uh...this one is true, in a way. The neural connection that controls the Evangelions is stated to be the "A10" nerve, which is known as the Ventral Tegmental Area of the brain. Said section of the brain is in charge of (among other things) providing the chemical reward system one feels for emotional social bonds, particularly that between a mother and child. The children who pilot the
** Yeah, this one's true. I'm pretty sure it's actually stated somewhere in the series, or at least ''very'' strongly implied, that only children with particular mental/emotional instabilities can synchronize with Evas.
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Ok, ok, ok. This is more wishful thinking than Wild Mass Guessing. However, the tone at the end of the series is so irreconcilable with the very last scene of ''EoE'', that one cannot help but scream WTF and think there is something missing. Here it is¦..
After Asuka's final line in the movie, Shinji wakes up with a start. The previous scene was a dream. Shinji and Asuka are still alone on the beach. However, things are slightly different. Shinji looks in one direction, and sees forests thick with vegetation. In the other direction, he sees Tokyo-3. The city appears to be empty, but the buildings are repaired and clean, and there are sounds coming from the city that suggests humans might already have returned. Shinji then looks at Asuka and stands up. He closes his eyes, clenches his fits, and remembers all of the speeches from the last two episodes of NGE and the parting words of Yui from ''EoE''. With courage in his voice, he says to Asuka, "Before you start screaming at me listen", and then proceeds to tell her that it was physically impossible for him to awake Unit 01 in time. He also tells her that he did not pull her out of the LCL, but that he is happy she is there, Because I wouldn't have anyone else by my side! Asuka gets up and tells Shinji she knows. She also says that she decided to leave the LCL herself. She then pulls in a shocked Shinji for a long and passionate kiss. As the two embrace, the camera pulls out, and Fly me too the moon plays.
* ...what?
* That's already been discussed extensively [[Fanfiction.net|here]].
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* You could make a case for Kaji=Lust and Rei=Sloth. Also, Shinji may have started out representing Sloth before being broken into a form more useful to NERV, which would make Asuka Wrath. Also fitting, wouldn't you say?
* The same could be said of Misato. If you'll recall, the two of them spent a whole week together.
* This could actually be very solid if one chose to use more ancient forms of the Seven Sins, back when they were Eight, for example: Gula (gluttony), Fornicatio (fornication, lust), Avaritia (avarice/greed), Tristitia (sorrow/despair), Ira (wrath), Acedia (acedia), Vanagloria (vainglory) and Superbia (hubris, pride). Rei in particular is practically the textbook definition of acedia, and Asuka is very much vainglory (but wrath could also work, with Ritsuko being vainglory). Gendo would then be hubris, Misato gluttony, Shinji would be despair, I'd say, but I'm not so sure about avarice and lust.
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== The entire series takes place during Instrumentality ==
An alternate take of the above: Shinji is too late arriving at Tokyo-3. In the opening of the first episode, the shockwave that rocks the city is not from explosives, but from Sachiel (who is actually the only Adam-based life that exists in the ''real'' world) making psychic contact with and activating Lilith, thus initiating Third Impact. Vaguely supported by the appearance of soul-collecting Rei. Humanity doesn't realize this, and their combined delusion of continuing their lives forces Instrumentality to create an illusory world for all the souls within it. Only objects with a psychic presence (''id est'', an AT Field and therefore a soul) are given a non-illusory or functional form within this Intrumentality; thus, in this world human weapons are utterly ineffective against the Angels, whilst the Evas, which have souls, easily dispatch them. Shinji slowly goes mad as he realizes that he can [[The Matrix|See the Code]], so to speak; in-series "Instrumentality" occurs when he becomes "the One," takes control of Instrumentality through Rei and Unit 01, and breaks down the illusion for everyone. Both EOTV and EOE are valid endings, with the two conflicting desires in
** ...and this should be The Matrix ''n''th Renaissance.
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Since they can't create sparks for the Evas, it makes sense that NERV might try to use mankind's closest equivalent (human souls) as a substitute.
* Except that the Evas aren't robots, but cyborgs. Additionally, the various fins are consistent with the series' internals as shown in the scenes using them.
* It may be [[Transformers Armada|Unicronian]] technology. That was somewhat organic.
== The so-called [[Alternate Universe]] sequence in episode 26 is real and is the near future of former NERV members. ==
With the Angels done and the Evangelions now redundant, NERV was disbanded. The interactions in episode 25 allowed Shinji, Rei, Asuka and Misato to better understand each other and come to terms with their
== Everything in the show is a dream of Pen-Pen the penguin, who is God. ==
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== Pen Pen was trying to prevent third impact ==
Cute animal mascot in what ended up bieng a very dark and mindscrewing series? Pen Pen was actually trying to lighten things up and help everyone keep things together so that they would be in better shape mentally and stop Seele's plans (Penguins don't like for the oceans to be full of tang). Sadly Misato sent him away at a critical juncture, and screwed it up.
== The entire series is inspired by the infamous [
Those who play a lot of Freecell will understand the joy in how the field slowly progresses from chaos to order with each deliberate move, ultimately reaching the point where all the loose ends simply fall into place (so simply that most versions do it for you). Just like a typical action series. Now, Windows users set up that particular game, or any reader deal it out and play it yourself. If you had tried that, over and over again, before it became public knowledge that ''not'' all Freecell games are winnable, wouldn't you have written something like ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]''?
== Third Impact didn't last long. ==
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== The weird katakana spelling of "Evangelion" in ''Rebuild'' ('''We'''vangeri'''wo'''n) is a reference to '''We'''ta '''Wo'''rkshop, which is co-producing the live action movie. ==
Proposed [https://web.archive.org/web/20110918070230/http://www.evangelion-not-end.ru/Portal/index.php?showtopic=1185&st=100 here] (Russian language), but it makes enough sense to be added here.
* It's actually "Ye-va-n-ge-ri-wo-n". The "Ye" has no reason to be there, as it's antiquated. The "wo", on the other hand, is a perfectly acceptable romanization of a Japanese vowel sound (See Ka-wo-ru, for example)
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**** Indeed that only proves that Japanese weapons cost more.
** Remember that this is an anime from, of all places, Japan. It makes sense that Japan is a world power, has the main NERV branch, and to boot, is the center of all the action. This is a common trope in most anime.
**** This editor had a hilarious corollary theory involving ''[[
* Britain as one of the countries mainly running the EU? France and Germany sure, but not Britain. We're seen as too close to the US and not europhile enough (we're not in the single currency for example and are unlikely ever to be) and actually have very little influence.
** Little influence? Britain has round about same number of MEPs and council members as france, and so naturally has the same influence. Influence in the european government is roughly dictated by country size, not how much the media like you. We'd be truely stuffed if that was the case...not having the Euro was our governments choice, not the result of the rest of the continent telling us we couldn't be in their club.
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*** You know, if all humanity has been merged into one giant puddle of Tang, then there is a chance that there may be glitching when individuals try to get back out...
*** That totally undermines anyone's individuality though. Its also highly derogatory that 3 aspects of the main 14 year old male character's crushes are embodied in this one person following the end. Especially considering the whole point if someone wants to enough, they can reject instrumentality as Shinji did. Misato was dead and Rei was the instigator, so if anyone had a reason to reject it, it was Asuka. I get the composite character thing, but that was probably a thematic choice, but the disgust is pure Asuka. I mean, It just makes sense!
** An alternate idea that comes to mind is that Shinji wished for a much lighter, less serious version of the world as suggested, but the similarities between this idea and the end of [[
* If the movies are a [[Peggy Sue]]
* Alternatively Mari Illustrious Makinami is the Peggy Sue, and in fact Toji's little sister, who is often called Mari in fanon.
* It's relevant to mention the big red stain across the moon in the end, too. A direct reference to Mega-Rei's [[High-Pressure Blood]] decapitation moment at the end of ''EoE''? Perhaps!
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* It could be worth noting that in the popular [[Doujinshi]] ''Re-Take'', Shinji was both a [[Peggy Sue]] and {{spoiler|the Seventeenth Angel of the [[Alternate Continuity]] he found himself in ("in the form of 'the Human Mind'" -- he possessed his [[Alternate Universe|parallel self]]). ''And'' his future daughter shows up as an incorporeal [[Peggy Sue]] herself.}} It could be that ''Rebuild'' is heading for a similar plot, especially if you add in the "sequel" theory above.
== During his brief period as "God" in ''EoE'', Shinji created a large or infinite number of [[Alternate Universe
This is the central premise of a certain popular [[Doujinshi]], and accounts for Evangelion's numerous [[Elseworld
* That ''would'' also explain [[Neon Genesis Evangelion Gakuen Datenroku|Neon Genesis Evangelion: Gakuen Datenroku]]...
* It also accounts for several apparently mutually exclusive WMG theories involving Instrumentality, and may mean that Shinji is yet another face of Haruhi
* ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh! GX]] is one of them but the least stable'', which is why his counterparts' two female supporting characters are still named Rei and Asuka and why the [[Big Bad]] is still trying to initiate Instrumentality.
* So all the Evangelion fanfic was actually created by Shinji trying to make a better universe?
** Yes. The inspiration for this theory was, itself, one big [[Deconstruction]] of [[Fanfic Tropes]] in Evangelion. Also, as the author of this theory recently observed on another page, it's pretty much impossible to find a [[Fanfic]] that ''doesn't'' [[Fix Fic|arbitrarily improve ''somebody's'' lot in some way]], because it's not like it can get much worse.
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*** ''The Simpsons ''is simply a much-altered universe where the laws of physics are so different everything gained a mutated look. Either way, C. Montgomery Burns is clearly Gendo, who has clearly given up on resurrecting Yui in favor of being filthy stinkin' rich. Shinji is of course Bart, and Rei and Asuka are Sherri and Terri. Homer Simpson is the physical manifestation of Misato's love for beer. Kaji is Principal Skinner or Ned Flanders. For everyone else, take your pick.
*** The Alliance of ''Firefly'' is headed by NERV/SEELE, and possibly by an immortal Gendo. The rebellion, founded by a descendant of Shinji, is trying to stop Instrumentality again. The Reavers were an attempt by NERV/SEELE to recreate Instrumentality without the need for EVAs or Angels, possibly "artificially" by inducing a hyper-relaxed state as stated on the show and therefore achieving the same end goal as Instrumentality proper.
**** Or, it's the distant future, and the only people left are distant descendents of the least social skilled members of mankind, and the most individualistic.
***** Wait, are you saying that Mal is descended from '''''SHINJI?!?!?!?!''''' That might be going into [[Poison Oak Epileptic Trees]] territory there.
****** Or the cool anti-social people, in other continents.
*** ''Dino-Riders ''involves SEELE trying to recreate Instrumentality with Dinosaurs (not too terribly familiar with that show)
*** Metal Gear Solid 2 deserves a special mention, IMHO. Shinji < - > Raiden, Asuka < - > Rosemary, Rei < - > Emma, Kaji < - > Solid Snake, Gendou < - > Solidus, SEELE < - > The Patriots, just to name a few off the top of my head.
*** Whew, there. I believe that satisfies the requirements.
*** Oh no, I have some series for you. Mr. Rogers Neighborhood, Hellsing. Super Monkey Ball, and the Mickey Mouse canon.
*** This is starting to tie in with my fledgling "Eureka Seven/Gurren Lagann/Spongebob/Zelda exist in the same timeline" theory. I never watched NGE, though, so I'll need some help fleshing this out.
**** For Mr. Rogers there is one solution: THERE'S ONLY ONE HUMAN IN THE SHOW!
*** Oh, and someone needs to do Worldwar, Left Behind, and Twilight.
*** Evangelion takes place on an alternate version of Earth created after a botched attempt to destroy all possible Earths at the end of Mostly Harmless.
*** Twilight: Vampires represent the Angels, "perfect" beings with imperfect conditions that prevent them peacefully co-existing with humans, werewolves are Evas (more animalistic beings, some of which [piloted
*** Evangelion takes place inside Instrumentality in a kind of infinitely recursive loop!
*** Evangelion is the future of {{spoiler|K-On!}}. Yui is obviously Yui, her guitar skills leading to Shinji's development of his Cello skills. Yui is a little bit of a Cloudcuckoolander in both, less obviously so in Evangelion but it's still an important part of her character. Her weirdness is best proven in her ungodly complex plan for Instrumentality, which she saw as a bit of a game.
* Okay, for the ultimate challenge, somebody had to do [[Real Life]].
** Obviously, Shinji chooses to {{spoiler|become God}} and lives in a world where {{spoiler|Second Impact}} never occurred! In order to ensure that everything goes according to plan, he becomes a person born before it happened. However, even after all the Instrumentality stuff, he is still prone to depression and decides to write his own story. Shinji Ikari is {{spoiler|Hideaki Anno}}!
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* The Red water in Rebuild was caused by [[Siren|the Forbidden Siren]].
(What? I actually find it more plausible than "''Rebuild'' is a sequel". ''Rebuild'' is supposed to be a retelling of the story "more accessible to non-fans"
* Theory confirmed by Rebuild 2.0.
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** Jumping the gun, I'd say. We know next to nothing about NME!Kaworu's nature or origins in NME, let alone what the ultimate significance of that mysterious line will be. Whatever route the creators end up taking, it probably won't be retroactively applicable to the original show.
The worst thing going for the "Misato's father was the donor" idea is the simple fact that it lacks any concrete support in the end. On a thematic and character level, it is actually rather appropriate, and the basic setup is all there, but, regrettably, it was never taken advantage of.
First of all, consider: Misato is, on one level, participating in the Angels' extermination in order to avenge her father's death, but she told Shinji that is also, essentially, using them to '''take revenge on him''' and purging herself of his ghost, so to speak. Misato's tense, love/hate relationship with her father is directly paralleled with Shinji and
There is more going for the idea than this, but ultimately this is one of those things that you either like or don't like, since Kaworu being related to anyone in the main cast will probably amount to nothing more than wishful thinking in the end.
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== [[And Now for Something Completely Different]]: The entire show takes place in the [[Lotus Eater Machine]] at the end of ''[[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]''. ==
... But not in the way you were expecting. It's not in the generation shown on the show, for it is noted that the AntiSpirals did this before, and there were other people trapped forever, you
== Eva 01 is actually Lilith. ==
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== In a reverse of most theories, Neon Genesis Evangelion occurs in the Warhammer 40K universe! ==
No, [[Shinji and
* Neon Genesis Evangelion is a prelude to the White Crusade (named after the body colors of Angels), which permanently cripples the Imperium of Man and annihilates the Eldar and the Tau. The Illuminati, knowing the Imperium is doomed to torture by Chaos, Necrons, and Tyranids, carries out a plan to revive the Emperor as the last resort. The Emperor successfully comes back to life... and simply ends the universe as he has been sick and tired of watching the galaxy burn. While singing "[[Soundtrack Dissonance|Komm, Susser Tod]]". That is the end of all.
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* With the psychiatry convention, the meteor hit Antarctica. A psychiatry convention in Antarctica?
== ''NGE'' takes place on the world [[Watchmen (comics)|Dr. Manhattan]] intended to create after he left earth for good. ==
It's a lot more complicated then he thought it'd be, and strangely it contains quite a few similar characters: An emotionless artificial god (or gods, if need be) who ends up becoming a world destroying/creating naked giant, a brilliant [[Magnificent Bastard]] who helps cause world peace by eliminating a large chunk of humanity, a woman pushed by and rebelling against memories of her mother, a DNA Frankenstein's monster of a pet, and scores of people who were unwittingly aiding in the end of the world.... (Note: This troper has no idea if the creator of ''NGE'' ever read ''Watchmen''; if he did that's cool; if not that's ''crazy'', because the similarities are odd. Alternatively, has Allan Moore seen ''NGE?'')
* They are both [[Deconstruction
* Also, God-Rei is not nearly as emotionless as Dr. M. She is the penultimate mother-figure (for all humankind) and sacrifices herself out of compassion for her "children".
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[[How Did We Miss This One?]]? Anyway, enough people managed to separate from Mega-Rei (who went on to "seed" the colonies with humans and animals) to repopulate the planet using NERV's technology. The Colonies' gods are Rei's memories of her human friends and otherworldly enemies while the Cylon's god is a gender-shifted Rei (Rei = Dei = Deus = Zeus(?)). Either that or a variation of the first ''Watchmen'' theory: Dr. Manhattan's world's creation Rei tries to create her ''own'' world; [[Earthshattering Kaboom|Earth Shattering KaBooms]], deconstructed archetypes, and fucked-up love affairs ensue (apparently things would be ''worse'' if the blond [[Mad Scientist's Beautiful Daughter]] and the [[Tall, Dark and Bishoujo]] [[Lady of War]] were actually lovers; the [["Well Done, Son" Guy|Well Done Son Guy and Well Done Daughter Gal]] get off comparatively easy (which is to say they survive ...ish).
== ''[[Wicked (
(note: horrifically superficial)
* Elphaba = Yui (by default, unless they both really are the "[[
* Galinda = (?)
* Fiyero = Gendo (by default)
* Liir = Shinji ([[Eerie Pale-Skinned Brunette]] boy with a dead mom and absent father who is ''desperate'' for human connection but is abandoned by virtually everyone while wearing his mother('s cloak))
* Dorthy = Rei ("disguised" as Asuka - TOW describes the traditionally [[Action Girl
* Candle = Asuka ("disguised" as Rei, perhaps getting a little [[Dude, She's Like, in
* Trism = Kaworu (only male love interest, only one Liir has a real emotional (and physical) connection with, disappears not long after their meeting and is probably an enemy agent)
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* Third Impact was the testing of the ultimate "Fuck The World" device, a la ''Boatmurdered.'' Originally, the Human Instrumentality Project was intended to create a more efficient way of taking care of goblin sieges, but more importantly, of elephants, carp, elves and the like. As a nice bonus, LCL is also actually a kind of booze. In fact, "Komm, susser Tod" goes pretty well with the last few installments of ''Boatmurdered,'' even.
* The Second Impact was said to be a contact experiment. They were experimenting with what would happen when a pickaxe contacted Adamantite.
** So, the Angels are [[Hidden Fun Stuff]]! As bad as the Third Impact was, at least they didn't have '&'.
* Sandalphon is actually !!Sandalphon!!.
** Nah, Sandalphon probably has the [FIREIMMUNE] creature token, at least.
* And there're no cats! Gendo was smart enough to avoid a catsplosion. Either that, or his gloves were Kitten Leather Gloves.
* Tokyo III was built on top of ''Hidden Fun Stuff''.
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** Wait... does that mean that Rei's a [[Yaoi Fangirl]]?
* It would seem that this theory is [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7161235/1/My_Fantasy plausable.]
== The entire series is a fantasy of [[Pani Poni Dash!|Mesousa]]. ==
Many other entries theorise that their series are Shinji's fantasies, but think about it: For Mesousa, Shinji's life would be a definite ''improvement'' over his own.
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== Rei Ayanami is actually {{spoiler|a clone of Shinji's mother, Yui.}} ==
Oh,
* Not necessarily - see below.
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== The entire series is Shinji's dream. The only "real" part is the "normal world" in episode 25. ==
* It was his worst nightmare ever... So horrible he couldn't go to bed for a few days without his mom and indoor lighting...
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== The Angels are all female, including Kaworu. ==
From a biological standpoint,
* Hence why the XX series of Angel Moe figures exists, with a ''female'' Kaworu who has three or four pairs of wings and his/her usual shirt and shoes, but no pants (the shirt covers "her" midsection Ranma-style).
* It is doubtful though that Kaworu views himself as male or female.
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** Male birds are ZZ and female birds are ZW, to be more accurate. But the females are still heterogametic while the males are homogametic, while it's the other way around in mammals.
** But what are the Angels besides alternate evolutions from the humans? Thinking about that, then, they are sorta mammal, and then, they might be all female. At least Lilith was.
*** The Angels did not evolve ''from'' humans, they evolved in a similar manner to humans (that is, being the top of the evolutionary chain and started from Adam, they are beings comparable to humans who are the top of the evolutionary chain and started from Lilith). This phenomenon is also known in science as "Convergent evolution" (Which means, creatures from different habitats can evolve similarly to resemble each other). This means they're not necessarily
* Actually, nipples on men aren't vestigal. Some men ARE capable of lactating, so nipples on men ''technically'' aren't vestigal, though depending on how much value one puts on one's perceived masculinity, one is more likely to deny or ignore it.
** Reading this bullet point really struck me with just how far-out this discussion has gotten. Ah, Wild Mass Guessing.
* Can't even say if the Angels are homozygous. What if, for example, Adam used parthenogenesis? Or if the Spear of Longinus contains a plethora of genetic information and can double as an impregnation device? Far too many unknowns. Also, as far as classification goes, the Seeds (and the Evas by extension) obviously can't fit into any Terran slots, since they're from another planet, and quite possibly bioengineered god-versions of the FAR themselves. About all we can say is that Seeds/Evas and Angels (intrinsically) are highly convergent with
== Pen-Pen is actually a fusion of the soul of Misato's father with a random penguin, caused by the energies of Second Impact. ==
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** All versions of NGE are Shinji's instrumentality BSOD? Shinji just couldn't completely reject/alter the one person who seemed to care for him, even as Shinji murdered him. So subconsciously Shinji carries along the real Kaworu into each universe with himself. Kaworu just plays along in an attempt to help Shinji recover emotionally.
*** Kaworu is Itsuki in Haruhi Suzimaya in the Shinji = Kyon WMG s. Kaworu tells "Kyon" that Haruhi is god when it is Shinji/Kyon all along in his quest for a normal life. Every so often Kaworu/Itsuki makes subtle hints at Shinji/Kyon's true nature in an attempt to get Shinji to return to the "real" world and fix everything. It would also explain the [[Stupid Sexy Flanders]] both characters have.
** Angelic Days Rei wrote the original NGE? Kaworu gave her the * nudge nudge, hint hint*
** The show, or the whole franchise, is in purgatory? Then this is less meta and Kaworu is a celestial guard who has taken sympathy on one of the inmates, Shinji, and participates from time to time for his own motives.
* ...[[The Slayers/WMG|* cough*
** Holy shit! I just realized they've even got the same seiyuu. Wonder what this means for [[Saiyuki|Cho Hakkai]]?
*** The seiyuu that voices Kaworu and Xellos also voices [[Mahou Sensei Negima|Fate Averruncus]]. If we combine this with some other WMGs, and take this to its possible conclusion, we end up with Fate trying to enact a [[Gambit Roulette]] that will result in Shinji (as Negi) [[Everybody Lives|saving all of his friends]], and preventing [[The End of the World
** So, Xellos and Kaworu are just manifestations of a singular greater meta being that is also incarnated at Itsuki? Does this mean every fictional universe has a bit of Kawollotsuki..., an Elder god name if I ever heard one?
* ''[[Super Robot Wars]]'', of all things, appears to run with this; in Alpha 3, Kaworu (never mind how he managed to survive SRW Alpha in the first place) makes references to the events of SRW F Final and SRW MX, both in entirely different continuities. The leading theory in SRW fandom is that he's a Time <s>Lord</s> Diver and travels between dimensions, and thus is the same being in every continuity (including canon and presumably Rebuild).
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== After Instrumentality, Pen-Pen becomes a ''god'' after feeding upon LCL and fighting the last two living Humans to the death. ==
Because Pen-Pen is awesome. And [[Everything
== Gendo abandoned Shinji as a [[Take That]] to Yui choosing to be adsorbed into Eva 01 ==
While it is true that Gendo is so fixated on Yui that he cannot cope without her in his life, a part of Gendo resents Yui for leaving him the way she did and as a [[Take That]] in the form of ''an eye for an eye'' by abandoning Shinji.
* This is most definitely Sadamoto's take on it - in his version of the Beginning to the End, Gendou [[Hannibal Lecture
== Third Impact was an attempt by God to get rid of the Human race and replace them with his true chosen race ==
[[Everything
* And Pen Pen is their Messiah.
* This is actually canon explanation for Second Impact. Third Impact, on the other hand, was just a clusterfuck.
== [[Real Life]] is an [[Anime]] in the world of [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]] ==
In 1999, when the second impact occured, Earth became an interresting place to live, in the sense of the classic Chinese curse: "May you have an interesting life." Climactic extremes, finding out that mythology was true, conspiracies in every bush, etc. When something is interesting, it is most likely plagued by war and chaos (See [[Warhammer
* This [[A Date
* The alternative theory (far less likely, by the way) is that [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]] is an [[Anime]] in [[Real Life]], but that's too much of a stretch even for a WMG page.
** Nah, that's just too OBVIOUS. Why would Evangelion do something so completely unironic?
* NGE, an anime in real life! Don't be crazy! Real Life is exactly like [[
== Digimon Seasons 1 and 2 are a TV show in the [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|EVA]] world. ==
Agumon's upper digivolutions look like EVA, and the light-hearted message of banding together with your friends, some of whom look weird and have self-esteem issues, to fight scary, evil monsters is meant to help the general public accept the existence of the
== Asuka has Bipolar Disorder, specifically Bipolar-II ==
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== Neon Feminist Evangelion! ==
NGE is fundamentally a feminist work from a male perspective. It explores women’s spiritual, familial, and societal roles, as well as typical personal dilemmas they must face. Many of the male characters, including the protagonist and his [[Magnificent Bastard]] father, are largely dependent on their relationships with women (Especially the protagonist and the Bastard, see also [[Oedipus Complex]]). The females are often defined by the conflicts that they, as women, encounter (Particular examples are Asuka, Misato and Ritsuko).
* Shinji and Asuka's attitudes are flipped compared to other idealistic anime. Sexual anxiety, an [[Unwanted Harem]] and lack of maternal attention are actually psychologically ''bad'' for you, as Shinji has shown and contrary to most other harem anime out there. [[Inferiority Superiority Complex|And if you force an Inferiority Complex down on a woman's throat, as patriarchal regimes had tried in the past, you may just end up with someone that has a really angry Superiority Complex, as Asuka has shown]].
* An Eva's armor, which constrains her body like a corset/bondage gear and makes her dependent on an external power source, symbolizes societally imposed restrictions on women. When Eva goes into berserker mode, freeing her from the restraint technology and strengthening her Ego Barrier (Absolute Terror Field), especially in times when she needs to protect herself and her child, you see woman's true, natural, powerful form, which from a misogynistic perspective is a disgusting, absolutely terrifying [[Eldritch Abomination]].
* In the Adam and Lilith mythology, Lilith is the first feminist, refusing to bow down to Adam. She is cast out of Eden, births the daemonic Lilim (the demons could symbolize how our society sees feminism as "daemonic", in [[
* As some fans have already proposed, Rei-Lilith is a manifestation of the [http://wiki.evageeks.org/The_Geektionary_N-S#Shekinah divine feminine].
* The Ikaris can also represent patriarchal rule. Gendo is the archetypal Patriarch. Yui and Shinji are the underlying weaknesses of this Patriarch's seemingly absolute totalitarian rule, with Yui being the dependence onto the opposite sex to maintain the basis for the Patriarch's power and Shinji as the agitating instability and [[Oedipus Complex|Oedipal rage]] that is waiting to collapse the entire power structure anytime (Gendo has Yui as his messiah and only reason to live which is why he does all this screwing-with-the-order-of-creation in the first place, and in ''End of Evangelion'' he even admits that he's afraid of his own son, making his true self behind his magnificent facade something very ''pathetic''). Not to mention that in many real life ancient empires that seem to be strictly Patriarchal from the outside, women usually assumed the role of [[The Man Behind the Man]]
** Perhaps the mass-production perversity is Anno's point all along: instead of facing reality with all its pain and sexual anxiety like how Shinji rejects the false reality of Instrumentality and chooses to be with Asuka despite fully knowing how much of a [[Jerkass]] she is, the otakus and male chauvinists choose to replace the real female with something artificial instead. They are who will get tanged first when the real-life Instrumentality comes. ▼
Rei is the idealized woman, the Galatea that patriarchal regimes constructed: [[Extreme Doormat|silent, obedient, willing to do whatever the Patriarch says even at her own expense, and]] [[Moe Moe|exotically cute]] (see also: the [[wikipedia:Stereotypes of East Asians in the Western world#.22China doll.22 stereotype|"China doll"]] stereotype). Hideaki Anno tried to portray Rei as a unnatural mass-production clone straight out of the [[Uncanny Valley]] to parody objectification, but it fails in this area, since she ends up as the object of industrial-scale mass [[Perverse Sexual Lust]] of the otakus everywhere. And even then, what we see as this perfect Galatea is actually ''imperfect'', Rei herself gets [[Character Development]] where she grows from an [[Extreme Doormat]] into something capable of one's own volition, which (as EOE has shown) frightens Patriarch!Gendo indeed.....
* This is barely even a guess. The series is positively awash with feminist themes, and [[Hideaki Anno]] is a friend of another feminist filmmaker, [[Hayao Miyazaki]]. NGE is also one of the most influential works in the ''Superflat'' genre, which openly mocks otaku sexism (along with other aspects of Japanese modern culture), particularly about the popularity of the ''[[Moe]]'' genre (which is associated with objectification) among otakus and misogynists alike. <br /><br />During the time NGE was made, Japan in particular is still obsessed with the ''[[Yamato Nadeshiko]]'' ideal, which produces conflicts with women's liberation. NGE shows this to a degree with the Rei and Asuka contrast (with Asuka being the extreme foreign element). Nowadays, one of the consequences of growing gender equality in Japan is, instead of mutual respect it happened to be growing misunderstanding. Young women are revolting against the traditional role of obedient housewife. Just like how Rei gets [[Character Development]] from an [[Extreme Doormat]] into someone capable of free will. Startled men are retreating into solitary ways. Just like how Gendo fell from a relatively normal and sociable person into someone very callous and antisocial. Of course, this conflict contributes to growing [[Hikikomori|hikikomorism]] and the decline of marriages/birth rate/population, making gender issues even more relevant to Japanese society-at-large. <br /><br />Also, one of the most major interpretations of [[A Date With Rosie Palms|that]] [[Dude, She's Like, in A Coma|scene]] in End of Evangelion is being Anno's way of [[Flipping the Bird]] to both the antisocials and the merchandising that serves them. Someone needs to write an essay on this, like, now.▼
▲** Perhaps the mass-production perversity is Anno's point all along: instead of facing reality with all its pain and sexual anxiety like how Shinji rejects the false reality of Instrumentality and chooses to be with Asuka despite fully knowing how much of a [[Jerkass]] she is, the otakus and male chauvinists choose to replace the real female with something artificial instead. They are who will get tanged first when the real-life Instrumentality comes.
* This is barely even a guess. The series is positively awash with feminist themes, and [[Hideaki Anno]] is a friend of another feminist filmmaker, [[Hayao Miyazaki]]. NGE is also one of the most influential works in the ''Superflat'' genre, which openly mocks otaku sexism (along with other aspects of Japanese modern culture), particularly about the popularity of the ''[[Moe]]'' genre (which is associated with objectification) among otakus and misogynists alike.
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Also, one of the most major interpretations of [[A Date with Rosie Palms|that]] [[Dude, She's Like, in a Coma|scene]] in End of Evangelion is being Anno's way of [[Flipping the Bird]] to both the antisocials and the merchandising that serves them. Someone needs to write an essay on this, like, now.
== Evangelion is about learning to drive ==
Seriously, think about it:
* Shinji's father pulls him up out of the blue and puts him in a big, scary metal machine which is quite capable of killing him or someone else if he misuses it.
* He is immediately thrown out into a hostile situation and expected to master said machine on the fly
* He struggles to keep any semblance of control
* And it all ends in tears.
* This theory also provides the simplest explanation of Shinji's mindscrew sequence inside the Sea of
* [[wikipedia:How I Learned to Drive|How Shinji learned to drive, huh?]]
* So Berserk Mode is symbolic of Shinji accidentally hitting the accelerator instead of the brakes, and bumping the gearshift into reverse when he tried to go for the hand brake? And then being forced into it ''again'' to run an out-of-control car off the road? Shinji's driving lessons are ''[[What Do You Mean It's Not Awesome?|awesome]]''.
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* Misato is an officer in the US military, who knew Ritsuko when she was an exchange student. She is stationed as an officer in one of the US bases in Japan. She visits often because her husband Kaji is insane, which has brought out her alcoholic tendencies - which are not nearly as bad as Shinji thinks they are. Seeing how Shinji bonds with Kaji, she comes be something of a maternal figure to the boy.
* Kaji is Misato's husband. He is convinced he is a double agent working for the CIA and Japanese Intelligence. He treats Shinji like a favorite cousin, filling in a paternal role.
* Asuka and Rei are fellow patients whom Shinji befriends. Asuka is also a withdrawn, hikikimori-type girl who easily gets caught up in Shinji's world. Rei is made emotionally distant by the mood stabilisers she takes as she receives counselling for domestic abuse. Both hang out with Shinji for a while but leave his life after when they are released. Shinji's most vivid and violent imaginings see Rei and then Asuka 'killed off' as they leaves him to his fantasies, though he later fixates himself on the memory of Rei in his final days in treatment.
* Kaworu, a [[
** Just another thought to throw in there: Do you think Shinji really decapitated him or was that just a delusion?
* Touji, Kensuki and Hikari were Shinji's friends before he was committed. At first they visited him as a sign of solidarity, but like his father they visit less and less often over time and eventually leave him as he becomes more detached with reality.
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** Lilith is Shinji's warped recollection of his mother in death, who has become to him a faceless giant. Reflecting Shinji's underdeveloped sexuality and social skills she has become a grotesque, deformed and powerless figure.
* An asteroid did in fact hit Antarctica some years ago. It did cause some problems and a slight rise in sea levels, but not nearly as much as Shinji likes to imagine.
* EoE represents the last throes of Shinji's insanity and his re-admittance into normal society. The last two episodes of Evangelion show his personal journey towards coming to terms with his mental problems and rejecting the dream-world he has created to avoid dealing with them. Pronounced well enough to be released from the asylum to live in a special school with other released patients, he tries to get into the swing of a normal Japanese highschooler's life while he is still slightly out of touch with reality.
== When the Evas go into berserker mode, they instinctively manifest their AT Fields to the contours of their bodies. ==
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== The separate continuities are all part of an unstable time loop. ==
The alternate universe was the original universe. As seen in the main series, this world is a fairly perfect version of the NGE world. When the angels came to that world, it was much more of a shock and most of the cast were killed due to the absence of the
== In Rebuild, Mari and Asuka are also (modified) clones of Yui. ==
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All of them are considered ''[[wikipedia:Ayanami class destroyer|Ayanami]]''-class destroyers.
Now, assuming this is intentional and not just me reading WAY too deeply into Anno or whoever's ship-otaku-ness, this could be a hint that Rebuild Asuka and Mari are based on the same "template" as
Now, since every EVA pilot (except Shinji) is a modified clone of Yui Ikari and therefore, in a sense, her "daughter", NERV does not have to match each EVA to a single pilot. They can simply use a copy or piece of Yui's soul in every single EVA, making them much easier to mass produce.
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* But why would the engineers let the EVAS have penises or vaginas, after all?
** [[Rule 34|As if you need to ask.]]
"Seeds and Evas have no physical gender" is more like viewers' default assumption, with "they are physically female" being a rather idiosyncratic and statistically unpopular, however notorious, viewpoint. That said, there is no official word on the matter, so interpretation doesn't have to be rigidly enforced in either direction (female or
Other items to note: Adam's method for producing the Angels is in fact completely unknown; the aforementioned "birthing" theory for Eva-01's creation actually does take the image from episode #23' into account; the biological status of being female is not actually as straightforward as this entry implies (e.g., if a species abandons its males and takes up parthenogenesis, its members do not suddenly stop being females); LCL coming from between Lilith's legs has rather straightforward implications that do not disappear because vulvae appear on heads and so forth elsewhere; Lilith's little legs probably have more to do with Rei than anything else; and the Spears could possibly be invoked to satisfy a "male role" if necessary (which they already do on a symbolic level),
In the ''Rebuild'' continuity, Unit-01 has a visible ''scrotum'', if one carefully freeze frames the apotheosis sequence (concept art also depicts it with a penis). Whether this is because the pilot and the EVA must be the same sex to sync properly or because it throws in pointless transgender-incest symbolism is anyone's guess. Technical readouts in the original series indicate Unit-00 has a prostate gland and at least one cowper's gland (the male body has two), which may be one of the many indicators why it doesn't function properly (i.e. greatly differing hormone and neurotransmitter levels compared to the pilot).
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== The AT Field cannot account for all of the phenomena surrounding Evas and Angels ==
Somewhere along the line, Eva fandom got this [[Fanon|weird idea]] that the AT Field could do anything it ever wanted forever and ever and ever, amen. With such gems as: "AT Fields can make things fly, it can make things explode, it can conduct electricity", and the strangest so far: "AT Fields can work like glue". I blame Kaworu and his cryptic lines about souls and lights and whatever. It's fully possible that the AT Field's sole purpose is being just that, a forcefield of some manner, and that many of the unique abilities of the Angels and Evas are caused by other properties.
* Of course the A.T. Field doesn't account for [[EVER Ything]], but it does account for a lot. The A.T. Field fundamentally isn't even a
== Rebuild of Evangelion is a Reconstruction ==
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* It helps your argument that, from a language standpoint, there is no qualitative difference between rebuilding something and reconstructing something. In fact, the two words have the exact same definition. Coincidence? I think not.
== The Angels are [[Warhammer Fantasy Battle|Greater Daemons]] [[Warhammer
Massive, otherworldly monsters inextricably linked to the human psyche, with forms and abilities in blatant defiance of physics, are at best mildly inconvenienced by standard weaponry, can only be truly damaged or defeated by weapons of a similar nature to them, inspire fear and foreboding by their very presence and seek to destroy everything. The AT-Fields represent either their daemonic nature, shielding them from anything not of the Immaterium, or as the link allowing them to exist in the Materium, which when breached allows them to be "killed". What is referred to as Adam and Lilith are merely the remains of two Greater Daemons from before human civilisation and the storyline is the result of humans attempting to use their powers, which obviously goes balls up for everyone involved (as is the nature of Chaos).
Shamsel (a GIANT FLYING PENIS) and [[Mind Rape|Arael]] are Slaaneshi. The ones with the most destructive and unsubtle capabilities, Sahaquiel and Zeruel, are obviously Khornate. Bardiel and Armisael, both of whom infect and corrupt an Evangelion, are creatures of Nurgle. Iruel and Tabris are Tzeentchian, the former almost pure mutation and the latter heavy on the subterfuge, also being essential for Shinji crossing the [[Despair Event Horizon]] (which was [[All According to Plan|Just As Planned]]). Which deity the others serve is less certain.
* Interestingly, some people have suggested that the angels (as in, the Living Saints) are actually warp entities (aka daemons) that serve the God Emperor (aka Jesus) and possess his "chosen ones". So, maybe the other angels are just actual "angels" gone horribly wrong?
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Adam is embittered towards humanity for robbing the Earth from her offspring, the Angels. Reborn in human form as Makinami Mari Illustrious in Second Impact, she intends to generate a Third Impact so that she can destroy the Lilin and take her children's birthright back from them.
This WMG was initially postulated [https://web.archive.org/web/20110920065617/http://paste.lisp.org/display/84795 here].
Also, look closely at her plugsuits... both of them. They both have a small red ball in the middle of her chest. It looks too much like a Core to be a coincidence. Only one other Eva pilot in the Rebuild continuity has a "Core-ball" in the middle of their plugsuit's chest: Nagisa Kaworu, pilot of Evangelion Mark.06, who we already can assume is an Angel, given that he was able to ''breathe on the Moon''.
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There! Now figure that out!
* As far as we know, from supplemmental materials (informed by Anno himself) released after the show finished airing, the Secret Dead Sea Scrolls are merely manuals that contain details about the "workings" of the Seeds of Life (Adam and Lilith), and what happens when either is awoken. They contain no information regarding Instrumentality, since the concept of Instrumentality itself was developed by Seele, who used the information found in the S.D.S.S. as a sort of groundworks. The show itself contains almost no infromation about what is written in the S.D.S.S .
== Angels are not actually "alternate evolutions" of humans themselves, but their representatives ==
It makes no sense for creatures so large like the angels to become the dominant
While the Evas were made in man's image and therefore look like stylized versions of humans, the Angels were built from their respective species' images, and therefore represent stylized traits of their respective species. This would also explain why the Angels seem to end up by Tokyo-3 -- that's a space where these representatives can come from their respective dimensions to fight. It's not so unbelievable that some of these Angels would have pilots, too, and that NERV and SEELE were concealing their existences from the pilots because knowing that they were fighting and killing intelligent beings would discourage them from fighting.
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* That idea would make an awesome fanfic. Also, does it sound like [[Bokurano]] to anyone?
* Wait, that means that Leliel is the representative of [[Doctor Who
* The "Earth can't support Angels" concept is pretty firmly [[Jossed]] by a couple of things. One, Angels don't NEED resources, they have infinite energy generators, as stated in series. Nor do they need the Earth to support them - the Angelic ecosystem has no plants. The CI in the video game also implies that Adam and Lilith are terraforming devices with their own ecosystems (just add water!) and thus the Angels are an ecosystem in and of themselves, and not extra dimensional. "Alternate evolutions" was just a descriptive term. The two sets of ecosystems are completely unrelated.
** Although the representative concept can still work, think of the Angels and Evas as monuments.
* The whole "alternate evolutions" thing seems to be memetic mutation stemming from bochan_bird's script translation of ''EoE'', which may have obscured the meaning of a critical line by, incidentally, not being literal enough! Misato seems to be essentially saying that "we humans" (18th Angel, Lilin) and the "Angels" (Adam's progeny) are two possible humanities, and, unlike us, the Angels abandon human form (see: Sandalphon). This interpretation seems to be affirmed by an info dump from an anonymous Seed of Life in ''Neon Genesis Evangelions 2'' (PSP), who reminds Kaworu that Seeds of Life served as "designers" for their progeny, and "either bestowed upon them shapes as any form of life, or acted as representatives and chose the form" (Angels vs. Lilin, anyone?).
== Our guess is as good as yours. ==
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** Exactly. Angels have more versatile AT Fields but less scientific progresses because they sacrificed their individuality in search for power; while Humans, which found power in determinism (science) instead of the AT Field, ignored their AT Fields and left those to freeze into individuality and uniqueness.
** Or maybe Lilith's hand is responsible. Remember, humans are unique because they have the Fruit of Knowledge instead of the Fruit of Life. Lilith may have "disabled" our ability to consciously project AT fields so that we are forced to use our uniqueness.
* This idea is [[Older Than Radio]], and Schopenhauer called it the "Hedgehog's Dilemma". Schopenhauer's parable describes a number of hedgehogs who need to huddle together for warmth and who struggle to find the optimal distance where they may feel sufficiently warm without hurting one another. The hedgehogs have to sacrifice warmth for comfort. Remember, the hedgehog's quills evolved as a form of protection against predators. Why do we have this AT Field? It protects us, particularly from [[Cosmic Horror
== Rebuild-Kaworu is [[A God Am I|Ascended]] [[
Ayato has come to the Rebuild-Eva-Verse to 'retune' it properly and fix what Second Impact did, as he did with his homeworld. Eva 06 is 'built differently' than the rest, because it's just the RahXephon in <s>a candy shell</s> armor plating and rubber. This is also why "Eva" 06 was able to get close to Near Third Impact, as it can warp reality itself and doesn't need to worry about a little thing like a godlike energy being. The big reveal in 4.0 will be 06 purging its armor and revealing its true form, and helping Shinji fight the [[Final Boss]], {{spoiler|A [[Brainwashed and Crazy]] TV-Series-Shinji in a godlike 01}}.
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* This troper heard of SEELE uniting all humanity in death. That makes Instrumentality a Euthanasia program turned into a [[Suicidal Cosmic Temper Tantrum]].
** Yes, but if SEELE wants to euthanize humanity, why would they go to great lengths and summon Physical Gods instead of creating a virus?
*** Maybe, SEELE already knew that the humans will remain ignorant and will have a fear of death, so if they create a pandemic, the world's scientists will just try to find a cure. That would make the euthanasia program similar to [[Death Note
* This troper found a clue: the Human Instrumentality Project was a direct reference to the Instrumentality of Mankind, a possible future created by Cordwainer Smith. In Cordwainer Smith's Instrumentality, everyone has his responsibilities, but if a person commited wrong, it was different. For example, any Lord can put any Lord to death, but the Lord who put his fellow Lord to death was also put to death. While the Instrumentality government acts on "an eye for an eye" ideology, the lower classes were imposed with a fixed lifespan of four hundred years. The Human Instrumentality Project, therefore, was a plan to restore the "eye for an eye" ideology by dissolving the AT Field, and with it, morality.
* Or the Instrumentality was a situation very similar to that of [[The Matrix]]. Humanity was forced to live on an interactive world they can actually warp, while being oblivious to the fact that they live in a [[Crapsack World]]. Shinji, for rejecting Instrumentality, has a status of a Red Pill.
* Maybe the Instrumentality was actually a situation where humans were given a chance to be Anonymous. Remember that the AT field is actually the definition of a person's identity. If that is the case, then dissolving the AT Field will mean stripping off everybody's name and labeling it "Anonymous", causing humanity to become Legion, united as one, divided by zero.
** Is it me or does this troper thinks that SEELE was somehow related to [[
*** Keel Lorenz is {{spoiler|future moot}} then, after being corrupted by /b/. This leads to an alternate timeline where [[Memetic Mutation|TEH REI]] was a more lasting meme than she was in our world, leading to {{spoiler|moot}} turning into a [[Misaimed Fandom|misaimed fan]] of SEELE's goals after becoming like Anonymous and then watching Evangelion, followed by the events of Evangelion happeneing due to Anonymous interference and then sending back records as the Evangelion we know, creating a [[Stable Time Loop]] when Rei becomes a meme.
**** Adding to that, Project Chanology and its aftermath introduced {{spoiler|moot}} to Scientology, which inspired him to cause the outlawing of psychology post-Second Impact through his [[Ancient Conspiracy]] world control, allowing all of humanity to go mad enough that they might accept this crazy Instrumentality thing. This backfired when one of the most disturbed people on Earth (who was purposefully broken as part of the grand master plan!) was given control of the process, and he turned out to be analogous to [[So Bad It's Good]]: Shinji turned out so crazy by the end that he had a moment of powerful sanity, and in that very moment he rejected Instrumentality. {{spoiler|Future moot's}} plan to break Shinji into a justifiably emo warrior with an occasional berserker rage [[Gone Horribly Right|turned out too successful]], to the ruin of the plan, all because a bunch of Internet users protested Scientology.
***** Or, the events of NGE was the possible result of the actions of both Scientology and Anon, as a response to the discovery of the AT Field and Adam. In this timeline, after the popularity of TEH REI, everybody discovered that AT Fields are real (see above WMG for example), as well as the existence of the aliens (Christians often called them Angels), but the factions who most exploited it was Scientology, which used the AT Field technology (and their abundance of money) to design "alien weapons", and Anon, who used the AT Field tech for [[Ghost in
****** The concept of {{spoiler|moot}} being {{spoiler|Gendo Ikari}} and the concept of {{spoiler|Xenu}} being {{spoiler|both the First Ancestral Race and Shinji Ikari}}, and Teegeeack being cursed to repeat the curse of Evangelion once again for eternity is kinda interesting, but it makes more sense if Seele, with their obsession with alien precursors, were the Scientology guys while Gendo, being the [[Memetic Mutation|Uber-Pimp that he is]], worked separately for Anonymous and against the scientology guys, leading to him and Teh Rei haxoring the entire Instrumentality plan and putting the Instrumentality less in favor of a crap imitation of psychoanalysis and more in favor of trolling us otakus for teh lulz.
***** Some of Anonymous' quotes are "We are everyone and we are no one" and "United as one, divided by zero". The Instrumentality is specifically described by Rei in ''End of Evangelion'' as "a place where you exist everywhere, yet you are nowhere, all at once" and "a world where we are all one". Coincidence?
****** It was also likely that one of Anon's members was an Evangelion fanboy, and also some of Anon's members have influence in the workings of the government......
* Remember the part where Rei takes the form of people's desires? There is a clue that Instrumentality was intended to make all humans [[Voluntary Shapeshifter
** Then our true form is Tang that can change into Reis?
*** That means Shinji becomes the ancestor to a race of shapeshifters. When he rejected instrumentality and chose to live in reality, he became a shapeshifter, which will eventually become the First Ancestral Race. It is also plausible that Adam and Lilith were also shapeshifters, considering the Precursors / Shinji were shapeshifters, but was trapped in form due to the Lance of Longinus, which may have originated from Eva-01 (In the series Lilith was trapped in injured form when pierced by the Lance, but after the Lance was removed, Lilith came back to her true form, a formless humanoid mass, then later changed into a {{spoiler|Giant Naked Rei, then the Teh Rei meme}}, and considering the Lance's spiral resemblance to DNA, it can apply as the same to us, but with DNA molecules).
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== [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]] takes place before [[Norse Mythology]] ==
The fusion of Adam and Lilith (Muspelheim and Niflheim) basically killed off all life on the planet, allowing to bring forth a new creation story and a new myth altogether, while at the same time it brought forth the {{spoiler|Giant Naked Rei}}, who was retconned as the first living thing, Ymir (who later became the building material for the [[World Tree|Yggdrasil]]), while Eva-01 became the cow Audumbla. The cow Audhumbla licked on a salt stone. On the first day after this a man's hair appeared on the stone, on the second day a head and on the third day an entire man emerged from the stone. The man is Shinji Ikari, who emerged from the Instrumentality. Shinji [[Took a Level
== [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]] takes place ''after'' [[Norse Mythology]] ==
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It's addictive.
== Lilith is in fact the Sophia from [[
And lilim/humans, the "materialistic" angels, are the Demiurge. The all-powerful Adam, on the other hand, is the Pleroma.
* It matches, though, since Sophia had fallen from grace, mirroring how Lilith was crucified by the Lilim.
** Also mirroring how the "real" Lilith was expelled from Eden.
* Sophia means Wisdom, and Lilith is the Fruit of Knowledge. It does make sense. Also, the Demiurge is a lesser entity with a God complex and a celestial bureaucracy, which is most like modern Humanity.
* Wait, Sophia is always portrayed as naked and beautiful, while Lilith is virtually a giant ragdoll.
** Hello? Rei Ayanami? Always portrayed as naked and worshipped by otakus as [[Ms. Fanservice]]?
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As the ''Second'' child, she's got <s>[[Mass Effect|L2 biotic implants]]</s> an older model, one that had to be surgically implanted.
** They're not. She took them off in ''Rebuild 2.0'' before attaching the spherical green ones that came with the TEST plugsuit.
* [[Azumanga Daioh
== EVAs are a [[Deconstruction]] of [[Magical Girl
They're [[Noodle People|slender females]] with an angelic/fetishistic nature that fight [[Eldritch Abomination|Freudian Horrors]] through dancing and (for the more powerful attacks) emotion (''especially'' [[The Power of Love|intimacy-related emotions]]). Since this is a [[Grimdark]] series after all, the [[Fridge Horror]] behind being a [[Magical Girl]] is revealed, struggling against Eldritch Horrors with incomprehensible sorcery is not healthy for your own sanity and the welfare of your loved ones, you're going to end up mostly alone, and no matter what you do you are inevitably cursed in the end (and of course, how the [[Applied Phlebotinum]] uses the user's energy, ego barrier and emotions, most especially [[Love Hurts|love, portrayed here as a tremendous source of Angst]], makes magical girl magic a case of [[Powered
* [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica]]?
* This one seems a little bizarre, but it's not that far off from the "Neon Feminist Evangelion" entry above, which is pretty much true.
== Humanity is just a stage in the life cycle of [[Eldritch Abomination|Gods]] ==
Inspired by [[Science Fiction]]: more specifically, by [[Arthur C. Clarke
Angels are essentially sperm: Third Impact is essentially conception. Humanity merges into a unified mind which is a new God. Gods, in turn, seed the tree of life, which creates ever-new variants on Adam, Lilith and Eve which will make new worlds into seedbeds of consciousness. SEELE hoped to create a distorted Third Impact (their own [[End of the World Special]]) so that rather than humanity merging into a common mind, they will become the "core" of the new divine consciousness, esentially becoming a God while everyone else is reduced to just thoughts running around inside their head. (Keel probably planned to double-cross his partners at some point, once he [[You Have Outlived Your Usefulness|no longer needs them]]). Sometimes the cycle fails, and the new "zygote" disintegrates back into its component parts, although in most cases it simply sheds a percentage of unfit elements. What happens to them is of no importance: it's job done, the "seedbed" (terrestrial ecosystem) will die off before long.
== Kaworu, Kazuhiro Mitogawa from Ga-Rei Zero, Nagi Homura from Mai-
There are a few reasons why I thought up this. First, at the behest of a friend, I watched Mai-
== [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]] was created to be easy for its fans to think up crossovers ==
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* I can name, right off the back of my hand, at least 10 anime series that are far more crossoverable.
== Shinji is the [[Warhammer
No, not just [[Shinji and
== All the characters are representations of Anno's mind. ==
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* Shinji = Anno himself. Note in the first series Shinji is more wangsty while Anno is fighting and recovering from depression. The happier stuff while depressed and the more depressing end as he actually recovered. Revival written when Anno relapsed and raged against Otakudom. Rebuild, Shinji is happy as Anno now is. Rich and famous thanks to Otakudom.
* Rei = The inner Otaku. Rejected as a love interest compared to Asuka and designed to be creepy. However, being created for an anime and representative as his inner anime geek she is the lil' godling we all know she becomes. The love interest is off and on as Anno wavers back and forth with his views of Otakudom, and he/Shinji rejects her in the end of the original series in the hopes of normalness. In Revival she becomes enthralled with Shinji/Anno, mirroring the fans. However, because of Anno's hatred of the Otaku lifestyle around that time she becomes the effective destroyer of all life. In Rebuild, recovered and wealthy thanks to Otaku/Rei, Shinji/Anno as of Rebuild 2.0 loves her openly.
* Asuka = The "ideal" life. Active, boisterous, a tinge of exotic. Shinji becomes more like her as the original series progresses. Wavers between good and traumatized as Anno waves back and forth over if the "ideal" life is worth it.
** The basic premise of this (that all or most of the characters are a reflection of Anno) is undeniably true; it's what lends the series its extraordinary sincerity and brutal honesty, the same qualities that fundamentally make it so enthralling to some and so alienating to others. However, the same could be said of any writer who goes to great lengths to flesh out his or her characters psychologically, and I doubt any of this was as calculated or literal as you propose. Anno was quoted a couple years ago as saying about ''Rebuild'' that Mari was the first character he's created who wasn't fundamentally "a part of him", or something to that effect.
== World after End become [[
Most peaple was changed to goo, rest rebuild civilisiation and create World of Goo Corporation. World start being less cynical and angsty , more cartoony and also some how mor realistic in case of phisic laws, but little Mind Srew remein
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== Humans themselves are an Evangelion to an unknown species, and there are in fact infinite Evangelions, nestled within each other. ==
Think about it: Evangelions can replicate near-human emotions and feeling, and are apparently biological in nature, like humans. Evas are also described as the actual "humans" in the series, NOT the humans (which are termed Lilim, or demons). Also, look closer to the AT Field: it seems to possess a layered structure, like an onion. In EOE, the Evangelion becomes assimilated to a Giant Naked Rei, which itself is a giant human. In instrumentality, when the humans became Tang, red dots break outside the humans and join the Giant Rei. If that's the case, then an Evangelion is a human, and the human itself is an Evangelion, possibly to another lifeform (the red dots), which itself is an Evangelion to another lifeform, and so on. The conclusion: In NGE, there are infinite humans nestled within each other. Instrumentality is simply the process of replacing the "useless" layers. The same can also apply to Angels. A better comparison might be a [[wikipedia:Matryoshka doll|matryoshka doll]].
* Nothing is said about Lilin being any less human than the other human entities in the show (Evas, Angels, Seeds of Life, etc.). "Lilin" is most straightforwardly a reference to our status as Lilith's offspring; that the Lilin are traditionally Lilith's demonic spawn has more to do with subtext and irony than us literally being "demons".
== It's all [[Haruhi Suzumiya]]'s delusion. ==
Hey, who else has a WMG dart board as infinite as NGE?
== Neon Genesis Evangelion is a sentient [[
Not only that it is a sentient Meme that is also an [[Eldritch Abomination]] determinded to take over the globe and then feast on humanity's collective sanity and leave us all in howling madness. Read this page and deny it doesn't make sense
== Neon Genesis Evangelion is a literal God. ==
Like the above it is an [[Eldritch Abomination]], but because it has lots of plot holes, it also achieved instrumentality for all fiction, uniting them all together and ascending to a higher plane of existence, becoming God and the moderator between different types of fiction, hence why the infinite WMG dart board
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== There is no coherence in NGE whatsoever. Any appearance of actual cohesion or [[What Do You Mean Its Not Symbolic|symbolism]] is purely coincidental. ==
[[As You Know]] NGE was produced as an attempt [[Springtime for Hitler|to utilize a loophole in Japanese tax laws, and it became a blockbuster completely by accident.]] The production crew was intended to have a loose grip on reality, and they just threw in as many random things as possible just because they sounded good individually. There is no [[True Art Is Incomprehensible|real meaning]] to any of it; the fans just assume that there must be, so they create [[Epileptic Trees]] to convince themselves that there is an actual plot and meaning to this story.
* The [[Springtime for Hitler]] story is an [[Urban Legend]] (albeit an amusing one), and the series has an awful lot going on thematically for something that was intended to be meaningless. If you're looking for something that's completely (and intentionally) incomprehensible, though, Gainax still has you covered; just check out ''[[Dead Leaves]]'' or ''[[Panty
== NGE is set in the future of the [[Watchmen]]-verse ==
Think about it.
Ozymandias could be as well [[The Man Behind the Man]] of SEELE. He had a base where the first Angel was found (Antarctica), the necessary highly advanced technology to develop the
Dr. Manhatten could be as well an early Angel/human hybrid. The parallels between him and Rei, Kaworu, GNR and the first Angels are obvious.
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After the final scene in EOE, {{spoiler|Asuka leaves Shinji (He is the trope namer for Dude She's in A Coma after all)}}. As Shinji {{spoiler|wanders the post-apocalyptic world, he starts to go mad, and is subject to occasional bouts of laughter. One day, he comes across a group of young people. They have formed their own little community, where they are surviving, but barely holding onto their sanity. Part of what keeps them going is that they have stumbled across a collection of old movies, tv shows, comics, games ,etc, and they will snark about them. Shinji falls into this crowd. They teach him the art of snark, along with how to be a strong person. However, he is still screwed up psychologically and feels guilty about causing Third Impact}}. His {{spoiler|depression morphs into a habit of going on occasional wild rants and laughing uncontrollably. Throughout this all, he comes to consider his fellow snarkers as a family, and wants to save them from the maddness that they are slipping into as their collection is not infinite and an inevitable slide into maddness seems to be the most likely future}}.
Shinji becomes {{spoiler|obsessed with reversing the effects of Instrumentality. While he doesn't invent any breakthrough scientific devices, he does become obsessed with science...he goes to the lake where Rei's corpse is and run "experiments" using fanatical devotion to the scientific method to try and revive her/retake control of her. He succeeds (walks through her shown-to-be not entirely solid body? I dont know) to revive the hybrid}}. There is a tremendous, trippy psychological fight within the {{spoiler|creature (this is eva after all) between the snarker in Shinji and the manic, mad scientist personality he has developed. Realizing he cant win, he decides the best gift he can give his friends is to bring back everyone, but scrub their minds of everything that happened after second impact...basically, everyone will think its the year 2000, and live their lives from there, although he will make sure the members of Seele remember nothing of eva, the dead sea scrolls, and will not be in control of the world. Shinji realizes that this means he will lose his memories as well, but he is fine with that. With the knowledge that everything will be alright, Shinji symbolically dies, content and at peace with himself at last..}}.
The world {{spoiler|is reset, and the family that Shinji found becomes the team at TGWTG. Shinji's split-personality remains intact, however, resurfacing as the never-ending battle between Spooney and Insano. Asuka is reincarned as Scarlett (Spooney's girlfriend) Considering eva, I'd say this is a pretty happy ending ;)}}.
== Lilith / Yui Ikari / Rei Ayanami is in fact [[Messianic Archetype|Jesus Christ]] ==
As Lilith she exists as YHWH / Adam's equivalent, is our Mother, and was crucified by the Lilin. As Yui she becomes a parental figure to Shinji, with some Philosopher tendencies, and was crucified in Unit 01 for the protection of humanity. As Rei, she exists to protect Shinji, even though Shinji keeps rejecting her, and as seen in the fight against Armisael, she died for his (mankind's) sins. She rose again as The Third (Rei III), became our universal Companion both in Fiction and [[Perverse Sexual Lust|Real Life]], brought Armageddon (Instrumentality), and died again for Shinji.
* Gendo himself represents Christianity, if that's the case. After the death of Yui, he was so fanaticized that he created a replica Yui, which he altered with metaphysical biology (aka, Rei). He only cared about her, wishing to merge with her in Instrumentality, forgetting Shinji in the process and ending up becoming a brutal hypocritical villain whom Yui would not actually want Gendo to become. How is that similar to modern Christianity? After the death of Jesus, the disciples created a replica religion after him, called Christianity, which they added with their own [[Word of Dante]]. They only cared about him, wishing to merge with him in Heaven, forgetting Real Life in the process and as the Medieval Catholic Church shows becoming the institution that was less "Love thy neighbour" and more "'''''[[Knight Templar|HERESY!]]'''''".
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== SEELE is Satan, Gendo is the Antichrist, Yui is Jesus, the series is an allegory, and the rest follows. Also, the message of the series is that you can't cheat your way to Utopia. ==
The idea is that Satan is always vying for the throne of God, and as such, [[A God Am I|attempts to make himself a god]]. Humanity are pawns in this cosmic game, and the Angels are the attempt at stopping SEELE (Satan's) attack. SEELE attempts to obtain unholy power through screwing with the order of creation, triggering the Apocalypse (Second Impact) and Tribulation (the following years.) This brings the wrath of god in the form of the Angels to
Also, the theme seems to be more or less a dystopian staple: true Utopia is earned organically, not imposed synthetically. Though Shinji's fantasy-world is great, it cannot be had in reality, and thus he rejects it. Like many Utopias' failures, the cause of failure is the imperfection of humans and how they cannot tolerate boredom; before evolution such as Instrumentality would bring can take place, we must actually change by ourselves to the point where it is natural to reach that state. Shinji's realization that human's can't truly co-exist in harmony for
== Neon Genesis Evangelion is a testament to Gestalt psychology ==
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== Everyone went to Heaven in the last episode ==
* As someone said that [[Lost]] had an ending similar to [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]] (there's a theory on that on the "Lost" page), it is only fair someone do the same to NGE. The [[Lost]] ending was at least more comprehensible than NGE's.
== Being screwed up is a ''requirement'' for being an Eva pilot. ==
"Absolute Terror Field" is supposed to refer to the way traumatized people push others away from them, and are unable to make connections to other people. Interpreting it like that, in their Evas the strength of their AT-field depends on how badly they connect to others in real life. A very responsive and extroverted individual would let his field crumble instantly, subconsciously seeking to connect with the Angels, but a person who fears all close contact with others pushes them away, and strengthens the field with their anxiety. Now, is it any wonder that Shinji's AT-field is the strongest of them all? The effects of Asuka's mental collapse weren't directly caused by the loss of confidence, but from her increasingly passive mindset that couldn't even have the energy to shut others away properly
* The premise of this one is true, as discussed (way) above.
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* [[FLCL]]: The events preceeding second impact or the Anti Spiral Invasion (Hard to tell which of the two it is).
* [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]: The remnants of Neo Atlan reemerge as Seele. Several descendants of the Nadia cast reappear and are dragged into the plot. Yui (Shingi's mother) is the descendant of Jean and Nadia while Asuka's mother, of Marie and Sanson; Fuyutsuki, is somehow linked to Lord Gargoyle, as is Akagi to Electra. Third Impact occurs, and everyone turns into orange juice. Shingi's involvement foils Seele's plans and they loose control of their 'new world'
* ''[[
* ''[[
This is of course far from being a perfect chain, so feel free to adjust and expand on it.
** The Anti-Spirals are the Instrumentalized humans, led by a mind-raped Shinji. It may explain [[Moral Event Horizon|what he]] [[Naughty Tentacles|did to]] [[Dude Shes In A Coma|Nia.]]
** A Gainax crossover anime/game. I'd watch/play it.
== Rei Ayanami is a [[Doctor Who
It travels the universe and the spacetime continuum (hence the Instrumentality Reis at the very beginning and the end), and stays in one place (the Giant Naked Rei).
== The Human Instrumentality Project is actually an attempt to finalize [[The
Well, if the Ultimate Question and Ultimate Answer are to ever reunite, something ''weird'' has to happen. It resembles the Instrumentality a lot: combine ultimate beings together, and a massive [[Mind Screw]] happened. Here's how it happened: The race of super-intelligent pan-dimensional beings called the First Ancestral Race already found out the Ultimate Answer, and it was 42. However, the problem is that the Ultimate Question cannot be found, and it needs an even more powerful computer to calculate the Ultimate Question. That computer was Earth. Angels and Humans were once part of Earth's computational matrix which was meant to calculate the Ultimate Question. However, instead of Earth being destroyed by Vogons, this Earth was set in an alternate history where the Seele council works for the First Ancestral Race, and Second Impact was deliberately initiated by them to activate the Earth supercomputer. Also, the reason why [[There Are No Therapists]] in the Eva-verse is because everyone knows the Ultimate Answer is 42, and Seele told humanity that the Ultimate Question was going to be found. However, Gendo and Yui tried to ruin the whole Instrumentality plan using Shinji and Rei so that humans would never find out their meaning in life, and when they never find out the absolute meaning in life, they will have the freedom to live. By the way, how many S2 Engines / Fruits of Life are there in the Universe? 42.
== The entire Neon Genesis Evangelion universe is powered.... by [[Epileptic Trees]] / Wild Mass Guessing ==
There was once an earlier WMG here which says that it is a [[Springtime for Hitler]] designed to deliberately fail and any actual cohesion or symbolism in NGE was purely coincidental, and fans create [[Epileptic Trees]] to convince themselves that there is an actual plot. The question is, why did it became successful? Answer: Eva is a massive Epileptic Tree garden. Its inherent meaninglessness and lots of [[It Just Bugs Me|circumstances which confuse and bug the audience]] makes it a fertile land for epileptic trees to grow. And remember, If there's something that most kinds of fans from intellectual critics to the [[Fan Dumb|dumbest of the dumb]] love, it's farming Epileptic Trees. Fans come and go into the Eva-verse to post their own [[Fan Wank]] and pet wild theories, some silly, some [[Contemplate Our Navels|philosophical]]. If Fans lost their ability to create their own theories, then Eva would be the [[So Bad
* Also, the AT Field is powered by existentialism and one's own choice. So, maybe, the entire point of NGE's history is that we must use our own AT Fields to be free to post Epileptic Trees in the Garden of Fiction.
* In a less reality-grounding and more imaginative WMG, Shinji, Anno, Seele, and all of Nerv are actually servants to a race of [[The
== Based on the theory above, Neon Genesis Evangelion is set in the same world as [[Lost]] ==
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== Yui Ikari's maiden name is [[K-On!|Hirasawa]]. ==
No, this does not make any sense at all. I just wanted to see what would happen if you mixed a [[Tastes Like Diabetes]] [[Slice of Life]] anime from [[Kyo Ani]] with a [[Nightmare Fuel|deeply disturbing]], super-[[Mind Screw]] anime from Gainax. I hope I don't get flamed for this.
Though, if you think about it, this could happen, since [[K-On!]] Yui had [[Sickeningly Sweethearts|Sickeningly Sweetheart]] parents, which could realistically translate into adult Yui (both K-On! and NGE) being kind and caring, which, from what little characterization we get for Shinji's mother, she seems to be. A more complete comparison/description can be found at the [[K-On!
* Jossed, Ikari is her true family name and Gendo's one was Rokubungi, he takes Yui's name.
* Perhaps Yui Hirasawa eventually has a daughter who marries a guy named Ikari and joins SEELE. She decides to name ''her'' daughter after her famous rock star grandmother. So Shinji is Yui's great-grandson.
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== The entire Neon Genesis Evangelion storyline is a "Princess and Dragon" fairytale story ==
We all know the princess and dragon stories, where the [[Damsel in Distress]] was kidnapped by the [[Big Bad]] using [[The Dragon]], and the [[Knight in Shining Armor]] try to rescue the beautiful princess from [[The Empire]]. This is also known as a manifestation of [[The Dulcinea Effect]]. Let's see, how do we deconstruct the whole premise? When you look at the whole setting, it seems that the Angels are trying to rescue Lilith from the civilization that is Humanity, but their instincts made them lose to Humanity's super science. Add fairy tale tropes, and you get the whole premise! The Angels are actually [[Knight in Shining Armor|Knights In Shining Armor]] who are trying to rescue the hapless, imprisoned princess Lilith from [[The Empire]] that is Humanity, but their Don Quixote attitudes made them lose to Humanity's superior wizardry. Evangelions are obviously, [[The Dragon]]. The Instrumentality? It's maybe because Lilith is actually someone who resembles [[Magic Knight Rayearth|The Pillar Of Cephiro]]. The reason why angels look like ''them [[Eldritch Abomination
== The main thing that Hideaki Anno was trying to tell us in End of Evangelion is..... ==
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== Asuka is pregnant with Shinji's child in the last scene of the movie. ==
Shinji and Asuka were both screwing around during Instrumentality, and the hospital scene sort of implies that Shinji ''had sex with'' [[Dude, She's Like, in
* Oh god, this one originated from an essay by Sean [[
== The angels are [[Humans Are Cthulhu|ordinary humans]] ==
That's right, you heard me. And the "humans" are insects, either ants or termites. Sachiel? He's just a police officer. The EVAS? Owners of the house, or environmentalists fighting for insect rights. Lilith? A dead hooker buried under the lawn. Israfel? Two kids playing piggyback. Gaghiel? He's just someone on the swimming pool. Sandalphon? A baby. Sahaquiel? An aeroplane seen from the distance. Zeruel? Probably an exterminator. Arael and Armisael? They're both entomologists ([[Mind Rape]]? That's just dissection). Instrumentality? A can of Raid. The octahedral one? A tiller. The one shaped like bacteria? A lawnmower.
* This Troper actually considered this as canon. Angels' progenitor is called ADAM (The first living HUMAN). If The Angels' progenitor is called Adam and the Humans' progenitor is called Adam, then the Angels are Humans. The Lilims themselves are like insects, and Lilith / Rei is somehow a [[Hive Queen]] / unifying symbol / [[Mook Maker]] (which is similar to actual insect hive queens). Heck, in ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' females rule and males are [[Loners Are Freaks|freaky loners]], like in actual insect hives. The Eva pilots? They might be lice.
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== The AT Field and Kaworu's conception of it as the energy that separates people is a lie ==
Two explanations: Take this literally, and the AT Field is simply some kind of force field that is utilized by beings made of particle-wave matter (Angels, Evas) and isn't related to the extroversion and introversion of people. Take this metaphorically, and the AT Field is what makes people lie to each other (which sounds like [[Code Geass]] ' own version of Instrumentality).
Another theory, is that the Instrumentality, which is Eva's own cake, is a lie. It was just Shinji's psychotherapy session.
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== The Angels are War Machines ==
The First Ancestral Race made at least two kinds of seeds: Black Moons with Lilith, who create "normal" terrestrial life that can eventually develop into sentient beings (they might also contain the original form of the First Ancestral Race), and the White Moons with Adam, who create the Angels which command great destructive power but have no real will of their own.
The First Ancestral Race was not alone in the universe, but the "life" they encountered was so alien and malignant that they designated some worlds (such as Earth) as guardian worlds or some such, to be populated by Angels which would fight against such beings as they encountered them. However, when Lilith was knocked off course for whatever reason, Earth's case went pear shaped. The reason the Angels wish to reunite with Adam and cause Third Impact is so they can wipe Earth clean and set it up as a guardian world as originally intended.
* Maybe the utterly alien species they encountered were the [[Humans Are Cthulhu|Humans of Real Life]], concerning the postmodernist tendencies of NGE....
* The utterly alien beings encountered were the [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann|Anti-Spirals]].
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* Toji and Kensuke are Shinji's friends from school, and Hikari is Toji's girlfriend. They like partying with Shinji because he gets the best stuff.
Rei appears at the beginning and end because Shinji is looking at her when he takes the hit, and she's shaking him back to consciousness at the end. As for why Asuka and Rei are in his his room while he's snorting some weird combination of drugs, it's because they're going to have a bit of a [[A Party - Also Known
** Alternatively, it was actually Keel Lorenz's hallucination of what he wanted to happen after he took [[This Is Your Premise
== The sequel to Evangelion is... [[Real Life]]. ==
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== [[Lucky Star|Konata and Miyuki]] are Angels, Kagami is Asuka, and Tsukasa is Rei. ==
And [[Butt Monkey|Minoru]] is Shinji. Hey, there are more than enough WMG's linking ''[[
== Neon Genesis Evangelion was {{spoiler|only the fruit of a complex interaction between the mind of Shinji with a new technology of therapeutic virtual reality technology à la [[The Cell]]}} ==
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== Gendo plans to take over the world by Botany ==
How else do you explain a Snowdrop named [https://web.archive.org/web/20140625003449/http://www.galanthus.co.uk/catalogue_product.php?productID=32 Galanthus] '''Ikari'''ae?
== SEELE is actually the German pop-rock group Silbermond ==
I mean, come on, just tell me those lyrics don't sound like they're about instrumentality: http://lyricstranslate.com/en/meer-sein-be-sea.html Full song here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMKLNuay5GM
== The White and Black Eggs (Adam and Lilith) are [[Lost Technology|Lost Logia]] from [[
The [[All There in the Manual|Manuals]] state that the first two Angels are essentially two kinds of Terraforming technologies used to spread life across the universe, with all the Angels ({{spoiler|except for Humanity}}) being off-shoots of Adam. Given what we've seen the Angels being capable of, the Idea of Eva somehow being involved in the Nanoha-verse makes a great deal of sense.
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== Tokyo-3 was built where it was ''precisely'' to ensure that Eva units are the only defense against the angels. ==
Basically, there's no good reason to build a city over top of something that is ''sure'' to be attacked, no matter how much of a 'fortress' said city is. Building said city into a massive underground cavern is also a bad idea in Japan; an area well-known for seismic activity. However, there can be an explanation for this: While power calculations done by fans have shown that a megaton-yield thermonuclear device could feasibly kill an angel, you wouldn't want to detonate one of those over a city, especially a city where "cave in" is a legitimate threat. The construction of Tokyo 3 in that specific location may be a deliberate ploy by SEELE to prevent the use of the only non-eva weapon theoretically capable of harming an angel. (Okay, there was that one plan involving 992 N-2 devices but, given the N-2 mine's calculated yield, that would hardly equal a 20mt nuke. To put that in perspective, 25mt weapons were commonly deployed by the US Air Force during the Cold War and Tsar Bomba, the largest thermonuclear device ever created, had a whopping 50mt
* This one seems plausible, seeing how much behind-the-scenes influence and power SEELE and GEHIRN/NERV are shown to have. Also, "While power calculations done by fans have shown that a megaton-yield thermonuclear device could feasibly kill an angel" Please show me this, it sound hilarious.
** The previously-mentioned math was on a particularly useful wikipedia talk page which has unfortunately been deleted. It had to do with calculating the amount of energy per unit area in a point-blank thermonuclear detonation. This was then compared with the known output of the positron canon, which penetrated Ramiel's AT field, an AT field that was stated to be unusually strong. According to the calcs, an 800kt initiation at point blank would deliver a comparable amount of energy per unit area as the positron canon, which means it could quite likely penetrate an AT field. We have more powerful ordnance that can be carried by a strike fighter meaning that, should this be true, any US jet fighter manufactured since the 70s would be capable of killing an angel. Unfortunately, the collateral damage would incredible, which means it would be a bad idea to use this method of angel-slaying inside a city.
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O...k. This might be a stretch, but some facts (as far as I can recall).
1) Every living thing with awareness has an AT Field.
2) The AT Field is used to isolate the true self/soul from others.
3) Angels and Evangelions can PROJECT their AT Fields.
4) AT Fields are strong enough to stop anything up to the honestly-not-a-nuke N2 Mine.
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5) Angels are trying to reunite with Adam and cause 3rd Impact, which would, to quote the fandom [[Memetic Mutation|"turn everybody into Tang"]]
Drawing from these facts, This Troper proposes (insane smile here) that Angels have such a strong AT Field BECAUSE they are completely afraid, isolated, and alone. Completely. This means that the Angels' desire to cause 3rd Impact isn't out of any sort of maliciousness. They are genuinely terrified of EVERYTHING in reality. They want to cause 3rd impact to STOP being so isolated and afraid. This theory would go some way to explaining why Angels never work together. They feel more isolated and terrified of even others of their species than Shinji on a very very very bad day. Possibly they would even view it as a kindness. If they thought that every living thing was like then maybe they think that it would be an act of generousity to make everybody one without doubts or fears.
But yeah, this is sorta a crack theory, even for the WMG page.
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It was originally made to troll the people who hated the original ending, so why not.
== The First Ancestral Race are the aliens who preceded/created the universe in the [[Stargate Verse]] and the [[Stargate Universe
(Sorry, I just happen to love Stargate and Evangelion, so I had to do something like this.) Think about it... Most of the other aliens they have encountered in Stargate (with the exception of the Wraith and the Jaffa, who are basically derived from humans, and the Goa'uld, who may be ralted in some way to one of the other angels) are vaguely humanoid due to being spawned from Black or White Moons that were placed on other worlds. Being descended from Adam or Lilith copies, this makes some sense. And, of course, ascension is basically a superior version of Instrumentality. Or Instrumentality is a (premature and somewhat flawed) attempt at ascension. Whichever you prefer. And, as I mentioned earlier, Destiny's mission (the stuff about cosmic background radiation) is related to the First Ancestral Race, who are the same beings who created "Eden" and brought back Caine and the others left behind. They lack the ability to bring back souls, however. To be honest, though, I mostly just like the idea of a Stargate Verse/Evangelion crossover. What can I say?
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The Force is a connection, binding everything in the galaxy / universe together. But if it existed on its own or if it became too powerful, the minds of every living thing would bleed together through that connection, and rapidly become a single, homogenized consciousness trapped in a state of nirvana, in other words, Human Instrumentality. There would have to be a counterbalancing existence to prevent that from happening. Conversely, if The Force didn't exist, if there were no connection between living things, then Human Instrumentality wouldn't have worked. The souls of mankind would not have been drawn together into a singular collective consciousness, but instead would have floated away individually into the void.
* The Force is the real name of the Anti-AT Field and [[Star Wars|midichlorians]] are actually S2 Engines.
* It can also be said that the AT Fields are the manifestation of the Dark Side of the Force. Think about it. While Jedi try to keep using the Force for peaceful purposes and the Light side of the Force is based on calm, meditation and universal harmony, on the other hand the Dark Side is based on passion, hatred and powerful emotions, those things that determine the strength and isolation of AT Fields, which in turn are of course simply a metaphor for the individual personality.
To understand the effect of the Dark Side on AT Fields, we must fundamentally know the Dark Side causality: Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Suffering leads to the dark side. (It also helps to know the [[DC Universe|Anti-Life Equation]]: loneliness + alienation + fear + despair + self-worth ÷ mockery ÷ condemnation ÷ misunderstanding x guilt x shame x failure x judgment n=y where y=hope and n=folly, love=lies, life=death, self=dark side) Now what powers AT Fields? What are the dominant emotions that control the world of Evangelion? What are the major factor in our personality and [[Character Development]]? Fear. Intense, raw or negative emotions. Suffering, which influences behaviour. Self, the dark side.
Such powerful emotions are how the AT Field manifests itself onto the world, why Shinji is nearly omnipotent in his AT Field abilities, etc. It is also accepted that one has to be fearful and/or mentally deranged enough to manifest powerful emotions and AT Fields if he or she is to become an Evangelion pilot. One of the more obvious of these is the hedgehog's dilemma, the fear of becoming mutual enemies with oneself and others. The stronger the fear is, the stronger one wants to protect and isolate oneself from the rest of humanity, and thus the person is more and more seduced by the Dark Side to acquire more energy for his AT Field. For example, the stronger Shinji's wrath is, the more he manifests the Dark Side energy, which he uses to convert into AT Field energy. What if Shinji did not fear or is a normal person? Besides suffering from lack of character development, he is ignored by mother and gets defeated by the Angels. It was his dark side which allowed him to become an [[Eldritch Abomination]] altogether in End Of Evangelion. Not to mention AT is known as "Absolute Terror", which the Dark Side is supposed to bring upon the world when it manifests.
But why do our personalities have to be an extension of the Dark Side, rather than the Light Side? Even though The Light Side is as effective in manipulating the universe as the Dark Side could, the reason why the Light Side is not effective for powering AT Fields is because the Light Side is based on living in harmony with the universe, which of course results in the AT Field being neutralized rather than strengthened. This also meann that the Light Side is the Anti-AT Field used to bring about Instrumentality, or should we say Nirvana.
Heck, Psychoanalytical, Jungian or even Hindu and Buddhist metaphors can even be shoved into this: The Force represents the collective unconscious of Brahman, the Light Side represents the path to Nirvana, the AT Field represents the Ego or Individual, while the Dark Side of the Force represents the Id, the personal subconscious desires on which the Ego draws power.
This is just an elaboration, but I can see that both the philosophy of the Jedi and the psychology of Evangelion would make an interesting model of metaphysics.
<br />Actually, I thought that the Star Wars Universe is an Instrumentality by Iruel and midichlorians are all him and the Force is an AT Field.
== [[The World Ends With You
Think about it. Joshoru got bored with being Composer after Neku and the gang were returned to life, so he hopped on over to an alternate universe, which we know as Neon Genesis Evangelion. In that universe, his powers were converted to something like the angels while still retaining his human form. For some reason or another, he started calling himself Kaworu and started to mess with Shinji, porrbably because he somehow reminded him of Neku. When he got bored of being in the NGE-verse, he convinced Shinji to kill him. From time to time, he pops into the NGE-verse to check in on everyone and possibly wreak havoc.
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Expanding on the above and a number of previous WMGs, Kaworu has the power to not only transcend continuities, but to show up in any work of fiction he desires in [[Expy]] form.
== Not only are Kaworu and [[The World Ends With You
It was proven in Another Day, the alternate universe bonus chapter in The World Ends With You that Joshua can transport himself to alternate dimentions. Therefore, we can asume that after The World Ends With You ended Joshua decided to try another reality.
Enter Evangelion, a reality way more screwed up than his home reality. After he was done with that, he decided to do research into what other people are like. Shinji and Neku were similar, but Shinji was a much worse case. So he decided to insert himself into another reality. As Izaya Orihara of [[Durarara
As Izaya he decided to take a much more direct approach in researching humanity. He also tried a new look, something he didn't think of when he was Kaworu. He eventually pissed of Shizuo Heiwajima which led Joshua to partially abandon this reality, as he would still slip back in from time to time to do more research.
He then became [[Haruhi Suzumiya
So he formulated a plan. He would need to have access to a vast ammount of power if he was to stop Haruhi if he ever needed to. Therefore he decided to enter more realities.
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To this day Joshua is living out these, and more, lives. At first it was due to boredom, but now, it was to prevent a fourth impact if you will. One that would consume all realities. That is what has happened, and there are more people who can traverse the realities as well.
* You mean [[Magic:
== The Episode26!AU Pen-Pen is a celebrity with a massive merchandising empire. ==
Hence why AU!Shinji has a Pen-Pen bobblehead. Also because Pen-Pen is awesome, and the idea of TV-star Pen-Pen is too epic to ignore.
== The First Ancestral Race created the Reapers ==
Hey, mysterious god aliens can have more than one [[Eldritch Abomination]] creation, can't they? And the Reapers have an [[Assimilation Plot]] somewhat similar (though very different in the details) to Seele's plan of instrumentality.
* Maybe the First Ancestral Race also created the [[
* This means that, naturally...
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Rei can pilot any Eva, regardless of whose soul is in it, so why should the soul in her preferred Eva be someone close to her?
== The human race makes it through Third Impact only to suffocate to death. ==
At the end of End of Evangelion {{spoiler|every single Lillithian Life Form has been transformed into LCL. This is every organism on the planet. Then we're told that everyone with force of personality will come back, given that Shinji counted, we can assume that the definition of force of personality is pretty low. But probably not as low as say...a plant. You've got the entire human population of the world, probably a lot of animals but not a single plant which means there's nothing converting
* I don't know about that. This troper has met some house plants with more of a force of personality than Shinji. I'm not kidding.
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== Kaworu's human donor was Dr. Katsuragi ==
Described in detail
== Angels are the antitheses to [[Pokémon]]. ==
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== How and Why instrumentality failed. ==
This theory goes as follows; instrumentality failed because not all conciousnesses were combined. In his hatred for Gendo, Shinji prevented Gendo from joining instrumentality. Without Gendo something was missing from instrumentality. This is why instrumentality did not 'feel right' to Shinji resulting in him reversing the process.
== Pen-Pen is god ==
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== The Anti AT Field generated by Lilith during Third Impact that turns everyone to orange goo is the [[Darkseid|Anti-Life Equation]] ==
When [[Final Crisis|Darkseid fell backwards through time]] his death manifested in the Evangelion timeline as Third Impact and the Second Impact that preceded it. Everyone on Earth was merged into one being, one life, one will that is [[Darkseid
== The events of Evangelion happen in the Warhammer 40,000 universe. ==
It explains all of the mind screw stuff and where the angels come from. The Earth in Evangelion universe is a planet cut off from outside contact by a Warp storm eons ago (perhaps during the Age of Strife), yet unlike most other planets engulfed by the Warp, the Earth entered into the period of relative stability, until the Second Impact came along. And Adam and Lilith? They may be Greater Demons, the new Chaos Gods, or something unimaginably horrible from another galaxy...
Eons later, the Imperium finds the utterly devastated Earth emerging from the Warp storm. An inquisitor, looking at the planet, orders an Exterminatus. The end.
* Or, more Angels pop out from the Earth and eat the starships carrying out Exterminatus. Cue the Angels threatening to tear the Imperium apart on top of [[Cosmic Horror|horrifying gods fed from emotions]], [[Horde of Alien Locusts|all-consuming space bugs]], [[Robot War|implacable robots]], [[Our Orcs Are Different|bloodthirsty beasts]], [[Space Elves|manipulative psychic elves]], [[The Fair Folk|and a race of demented hedonists.]]
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== Seele is a group of [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] cranked [[Up to Eleven]] who just wants to "save" the humanity from all its flaws and suffering. ==
Well, Human Instrumentality Project is basically getting rid of AT field and merging all souls of humans into one so that one human's weakness is complemented by other's strengths. As a result, the humans as a whole become a god, no longer subject to loneliness and suffering and all those nasty stuffs. Humans have massive, fundamental issues, so we may need a drastic measure of apocalypse for such a drastic problem.
== Or, Human Instrumentality Project would only produce mindless drones/neurons/body parts subject to one [[Hive Queen]] or something similar. ==
AKA my first impression of Human Instrumentality Project. Either Keel is a [[Complete Monster]] out to enslave the souls of every human being, or Human Instrumentality Project is doomed to failure (either [[Gone Horribly Wrong]] or [[Gone Horribly Right]]) to begin with.
== The First Ancestral Race were the [[Halo|Prec]][https://web.archive.org/web/20120702152011/http://www.halopedian.com/Precursor ursors]. ==
Recent teasers and data suggest that the Precursors were around billions of years ago. And it's stated by Forerunner records that Precursors could "create and accelerate the evolution of intelligent life", among various other things. Maybe the White and Black Eggs were terraforming agents sent out by the Precursors as part of their "Mantle" (the belief in a responsibility to create and safeguard intelligent life). Maybe the Angels are Precursor biological planetary-defense or -invasion weapons who have gone rampant.
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== The Angels literally and metaphorically wanted a hug from their "parents", but all they got was being raped and murdered by Lilim, which feeds into the emotional theme of the series as a whole. ==
The AT Field is the barrier that all living, feeling things have, their emotional personal space if you will. As referenced on the [[Mind Rape]] page, the Angels' external fields could be interpreted as a sign that they are the most lonely, frightened beings in the universe. They came to reconnect with their progenitors, who had been separated from them for billions of years, only to find that not only did their sibling actively not want them there, but that said sibling was willing to violate the Angels' boundaries, destroying them, in order to keep their way of life from being changed. Eventually, the Angels used [[Mind Rape|such]] [[Combat Pragmatist|tactics]] to fight back on the terms that their opponent set, Sahaquiel paving the way for later Angels. {{spoiler|Kaworu}} tried a different tactic: Love, embracing Lilim. It didn't work. The last we see of Lilim? {{spoiler|Lilith/Adam/Rei remove the Lilim's ability to separate themselves from other beings, leaving only the two most emotionally stunted, separatist humans ''on the planet'', who (in at least Shinji's case) couldn't even form a meaningful connection when their parent(s)/sibling/emotional lover [[Mind Rape
This ties into the theme of the series, as it extends from the characters and their instabilities, to the way the EVA pilot system works- Even when [[Blue and Orange Morality]] comes into play, ''people need connections''. To shut oneself off from the universe, even when one's environment and one's own body do more to foster that sense of separation than anything that single person can do, leads to problems, inherently contagious problems. The Angels tried to break their self-propagating loneliness, even when it meant lashing out when others were in the way, and {{spoiler|Humanity}} raped their souls and killed their body for the attempt.
Footnote 1: I'm not saying that {{spoiler|[[Humans Are
== Shinji is the descendant of Jesus ==
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== The world of Evangelion is part of the Dominion, from the [[Star Trek]] universe ==
What's golden-orange in colour, a liquid, and contains every member of a race essentially merged into one, when they revert from solid individual bodies into a formless unity? LCL? Or...[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine|the Great Link]]? The characters in Evangelion are Founder Changelings who forgot, over a great expanse of time, how to shapeshift or link effectively. Hence they experienced crippling loneliness. The Rei clones are a product of the same technology that clones the Vorta, complete with the previous clone's memories. And when it comes to designing organic fighting machines, who better than the people who created the Jem'Hadar? What we have here is a lost colony of Founder Changelings cut off from the rest of the Dominion, who are having difficulty living as solid individuals and seek to recapture the lost Link. With the evas and Rei, they seek to incorporate their hazy recollections of the wider Dominion into this plan. Even their self-conscious use of "Child" as an official label for their young, socially-crippled heroes is a memory of their origins; it's connected to the idea of the Hundred; the young changelings sent out into the galaxy, thus to be the loneliest of changelings but upon whom the future supposedly depends.
== Humanity does not need Evas to defeat the angels ==
1. AT-field can only be breached with another AT-Field (excluding [[Frickin' Laser Beams]], [[Nuclear Option]] and stuff).<br />2. AT-fields come from the desire for isolation.<br />Ergo, [[Dysfunction Junction|an army of depressed hikkikomori]] [[Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu?|can punch out an angel]].<ref>if all else fails, these depressed hikkikomori can be [[Grievous Harm
== Shinji ikari raising project is a version of evangelion without the biblic influences or the mindscrew/angst elements ==
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Gendo is still sane and so are Shinji and Asuka.
ritsuko and misato don't work (directly) with the NERV.
the effects of the second impact aren't adressed suggesting that it never happened, or at the least not with the same magnitude as with the NGE second impact.
Those differences led me to think that this continuity isn't some better restart like rebuild of evangelion, but an entirely different reality independent of the NGE continuity, although it shares many similitarities,so we can consider it like a lighter and softer "reboot" universe.
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== The events of shinji ikari raising project are the result of eva 01's crossing over to the past of an alternate timeline after the events of ''EoE'' ==
If the "rebooted" elements are true, the angels aren't related to humankind's origin and destiny,then, there wouldn't be a reason for the NERV to build the evangelions, or in general, for this earth to follow the steps of NGE earth.
in this case, the scenario below would solve some of these issues:
In EOE, Eva O1 was doomed to drift through space forever with Yui's soul trapped inside it. after millenias of errance between the stars, it fell in a space-time anomaly and got sent through space and time to the far past of an alternate timeline where it crashed in Antartica. that was this world version of the "first impact".there is no Adam nor lilith or any of the NGE earth's angels in this reality.
Her energy source depeleted, it went into sleep mode, and got buried under the ice sheet of Antartica. But The wake of her dimensional leap had left open a small dimensional rift.
Millenias later, the EVA had recharged itself with the help of its S2 engine and reawakened temporarily, triggering this earth version of the "second impact", but at a much smaller scale.it attracted the angels, which are in this reality higher-dimensional beings that lives in other levels of existence, to earth and came there via the rift.
The SEELE was puzzeled by the second impact and sent a team of scientists to investigate the phenomenon. They retrieved the EVA 01 at ground zero desactivated. They brought it back to the NERV HQ and stored it at Terminal Dogma, a high-security containement warehouse.
Afterwards, a young scientist named Yui ikari and her husband Gendo became the head scientists of the project evangelion. the goal of this project was to discover the nature and origin of the alien artifact(the EVA 01), and reverse-engeneer its technology for pratical uses.
Meanwhile, the angels began to appear on earth searching for the cause of the dimensional rift wrecking (non-maliciously) amok. The SEELE turned the situation to its advantage by using the angels' appearances as an excuse to turn the evangelion project from fundamental research to armement R&D, thus creating the first prototypes of fully functional real robot mechas.
They used it to fight the angels officially, but in fact they were testing the breakthrough technologies developped through their studies of EVA 01 since the ninities, and loot the corpses of the angels after the battles for analyse and autopsie, therefore amassing more and more of knowledge, which leads us to the conclusion that....
== ''[[
After the defeat of the angels on Earth, the SEELE gained enough technology and data from EVA 01 and the angels to bring a new golden age to the world.
With the nigh-unlimited energy source given by the S2 Engine and the force field tech brought by the science of the AT Field, [[Man Kind]] conquered space and flourished between the stars in relativistic spaceships.In the same time, interdimensional travel has been perefected, enabling those high-tech spaceships to achieve FTL speed and travel through the multiverse.
Eventually, an interdimensional exploration ship stumbled on an earth-like world covered by a single sentient ocean and named it Solaris, unknown to them that this world is {{spoiler|EOE Earth}} from where came EVA O1, and that the ocean contain the collective consciousness of what was once called [[Man Kind]], thus closing the loop.
It also explain the hallucinations experienced by the characters of the novel and the movies adaptations as it was caused by the urge of the collective consciousness to bring more people into {{spoiler|instrumentality}}.
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== Seelee is a religious cult trying to bring Biblical Armaggedon. ==
It would fit the religious motif. Plus one interpetation of Heaven ends up with "all of humanity becoming one with God", eerily similar to {{spoiler|everyone becoming one with [[Eldritch Abomination|Adam/Lilith]], the creator of all life on Earth.}} Going by this, it may actually ''be'' Armageddon. Thus either Kaworu (who decided not to destroy humanity) or Shinji {{spoiler|(who triggered Instrumentality)}} is the Second Coming of Jesus. It also ties with Keel being the Wandering Jew: the Wandering Jew is destined to live forever until the End of Days. Keel [[Who Wants to Live Forever?|is tired of living forever]], so he decides to [[Suicidal Cosmic Temper Tantrum|end]] [[The End of the World
== Shinji is just a normal kid, being tortured by [[Hellraiser
* Shinji was basically just a normal kid. In fact, he was so average that he had no self-esteem or any real goals in life and sought the Lament Configuration to end his boredom. He ended up being dragged to Leviathan's Labyrinth, where his darkest fantasies are used to craft ever new forms of twisted entertainment. This also allows every single other WMG to be true, as they are all different worlds in his dreamworld/personal hell. All the other characters are just ordinary people who also discovered the Lament configuration and were chosen to share in Shinji's hell. In fact, Shinji is considered one of Hell's crowning works of art for the sheer ecstatic agony.
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== Evangelion anime ''itself'' is [[The Ugly Barnacle]]. ==
The anime, especially EOE and Episode 23, was so nightmarish that those who saw it died from shock and heart attack, became catatonic, began to murder anything that moves, or were [[Driven to Suicide]]. To make matters worse, [[The Fourth Wall Will Not Protect You|the Giant Naked Rei popped out from the movie screen and forcefully fused with the remaining living beings.]] Thus, in the universe of [[
* [[Butt Monkey|Squidward is Shinji, duh.]]
* Sandy is actually the Giant Naked Rei disguised as a squirrel.
* Or, a handful of human beings hid deep under the sea and formed the Bikini Bottom.
== Care Bears are an someone's Instrumentality dream. ==
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== ''[[Madoka Magica]]'' takes place after Instrumentality. ==
Humanity returned to form from the Tang and rebuilt its society...however, their capacity for arrogance, pride, [[Humans Are
* The {{spoiler|Incubators}} may actually be manifestations of humanity's collective opportunism. {{spoiler|And then in most of the timelines we saw, Madoka's Witch form planned to basically start Instrumentality again, much like God's intention to destroy the world for its sins again in [[The Bible|Revelations]].}}
* {{spoiler|Madoka is "descended" from Rei; aside from gaining godlike powers and almost starting the "Fourth Impact", she shares Rei's [[Heroic Self-Deprecation|complete lack of self-worth]] and eventual willingness to sacrifice herself.}}
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Firstly, Angels are attacking during narrow period of time compare to humanity life. Secondly, Angels appears just in time, order and way it is useful for Gendo: (Sachiel appears when EVA is already finished, Matariel was too weak and can even appear during blackout, ridiculously strange appearing of Sandalophon in the volcano). Thirdly, sometimes Gendo even suspiciously absent before or/and while Angel appearing.
"How did he manage to get and keep them?"
He got them as frozen embryons (like Adam) while first Antarctic expedition.
"What about Kaworu? Gendo was clearly unaware of him at the beginning?"
The best and most powerful, 17th embryon Tabris was given to SEELE as ensurance of his loyalty to them.
Actually, SEELE were OK with that position until Ayanami use Longinius Spear on Arael.
Then they try to force situation and use their wild card.
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**** Shinji Ikari has been ecstatic lately. He was awoken by noise while sleeping lately. He has witnessed death lately. He lost a good friend lately. He ate a truly decadent meal lately. He has sustained minor injuries lately.
* '''Heh heh heh.'''
{{quote|
It is mangled!
The right eye is torn out!
EVA-01 is propelled away by the force of the blow!
EVA-01 slams into an obstacle!
EVA-01 stands up.
EVA-01 has entered a martial trance!
EVA-01 grabs Sachiel by the head with his left hand!
Sachiel grabs EVA-01 by the upper body with his right hand!
Sachiel breaks the grip of EVA-01's left hand on his head!
Sachiel throws EVA-01 by the upper body!
EVA-01 charges at Sachiel!
EVA-01 misses Sachiel!
Sachiel bashes EVA-01 in the upper body with his AT-Field!
It is bruised!
EVA-01 grabs Sachiel by the AT-Field with his right hand!
EVA-01 grabs Sachiel by the AT-Field with his left hand!
EVA-01 locks Sachiel's AT-Field with his left hand!
Sachiel misses EVA-01!
EVA-01 cripples Sachiel's AT-Field!
EVA-01 grabs Sachiel's left hand with his left hand!
EVA-01 grabs Sachiel's right hand with his left hand!
EVA-01 punches Sachiel in the left hand with his right hand!
The left hand flies off in an arc!
EVA-01 punches Sachiel in the right hand with his right hand!
The right hand flies off in an arc!
EVA-01 charges at Sachiel!
EVA-01 punches Sachiel in the head!
It is smashed into the body, an unrecognizable mass!
Sachiel, Angel, has been struck down. }}
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