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{{trope}}
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{{quote|''Your powers are weak, old man!''}}
 
In this plot, a principal character who is supposed to be significantly older than most is opposed by a villain who is relatively young and apparently in his physical prime.
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Contrast [[Pick on Someone Your Own Size]] and [[Kid Hero]]. Can be the result of someone [[Avenging the Villain]]. See [[Antagonistic Offspring]] for when the Younger Villain is the Older Hero's child.
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== [[Anime]] and [[Manga]] ==
* While ''[[Monster (manga)|Monster]]'''s Tenma is by no means old, he's got a good 15+ years on Johan, who started [[Corruption by a Minor|exceptionally young]].
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** This happens to Jiraiya when he fights his former student, Pain. This is even lampshaded when he comments on the irony of Pain treating him like a child when Pain dismisses his views as childish.
* Most climactic fights in ''[[Rurouni Kenshin]]'' follow this template, as the titular character is a decade older than most of his supporting cast. Specifically comes into play Enishi Yukishiro, his vengeful brother-in-law.
* ''[[MaiMy-HiME]]'' has an arc where the various HiMEs who are at youngest middle school age and at oldest full adults go up against nine-year old {{spoiler|Alyssa Searrs}}.
* Legendary Pokémon Mew and its clone Mewtwo from ''[[Pokémon: The First Movie|Pokémon the First Movie]]''.
* ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam AGE]]'' has a rather twisted example with [[Teen Genius|Flit]] against [[Enfante Terrible|Desil]].
* In ''[[Bakuman。]]'', the clash between Ashirogi Muto and {{spoiler|their former fan, the up-and-coming Nanamine}}. While Ashirogi Muto are fairly young, they also note that they're defending their rank against the newcomers.
* Page vs. [[A Pupil of Mine Until He Turned to Evil|Enchu]] in ''[[Muhyo and Roji's Bureau of Supernatural Investigation]]''. Muhyo's quite young himself, [[Vague Age|although his age is never specified]], and he sometimes has to deal with the spirits of those who died in childhood (but depending on when they died, they might technically be older than he is).
* In ''[[Striker SStrikerS Sound Stage X]]'' of the ''[[Lyrical Nanoha]]'' franchise, the main culprit turns out to be {{spoiler|Teana's subordinate Runessa, who is a year younger than she is}}.
 
== [[Comic Books]] ==
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* ''[[Star Wars]]'' has it in an interesting way when Yoda is forced to fight his former student Count Dooku. Dooku is eighty years old, but Yoda is ''nine hundred.'' Similarly, Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi dealt with this a couple of times after Anakin's fall.
** Not to mention the example in the page quote, where Darth Vader fights Obi-Wan Kenobi - a man at least fifteen years his senior.
* ''[[Star Trek: Nemesis]]''. Old Picard versus [[Cloning Blues|young evil crazy dying Picard]].
* The entire ''[[Death Wish]]'' series, Kersey was always the old man.
* ''Paul Blart Mall Cop''. After being caught by the Big Bad of the criminals taking over the mall, Paul admits that he was younger, stronger and smarter than he was. And that literally he was the man with the gun.
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** Being the oldest actor to play Bond, many of Roger Moore's Bond villains were younger that him.
** During [[Pierce Brosnan]]'s run, the only villain who was older than him was Elliot Carver in ''[[Tomorrow Never Dies]]''.
*** Well, {{spoiler|Trevelyan}} from ''[[GoldeneyeGoldenEye (film)|GoldenEye]]'' was roughly the same age, and the [[Big Bad]] of ''[[The World Is Not Enough]]'' was, well, [[Femme Fatale|different]] as far as Bond villains go, with a very different dynamic. But ''[[Die Another Day]]'' plays this trope deliberately, with the [[Smug Snake]] Gustav Graves being a younger [[Shadow Archetype]] to Bond, what with having his own gadgets, [[Dark Action Girl]], and dangerous exotic lifestyle. His [[The Dragon|Dragon]]- about the same age as he is- even has his own Bond car.
* This trope is often used in [[John Wayne|John Wayne's]] later films, very notably in ''[[True Grit]]'' and ''[[The Shootist]]''. But even as early as ''[[She Wore a Yellow Ribbon]]'' you have ageing Nathan Brittles - about to be retired from the army - up against young chief Red Shirt, while bonding with his contemporary, chief Pony That Walks. ''Red River'' and ''[[The Searchers]]'', where Wayne played characters who are, to say the least, morally ambiguous, invert the trope in a couple of scenes.
 
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* Galadon and Rhys in Carol Berg's ''Rai-Kirah Trilogy'', albeit very briefly.
* In ''[[The Chronoliths]]'' [[Big Bad]] Adam Mills is a [[Teens Are Monsters|former teenage psychopath]] and is still young enough to be protagonist Scott Warden's son (he is, in fact, his [[Antagonistic Offspring|stepson]]).
 
== [[Music]] ==
* In [[Marty Robbins]] ballad ''Big Iron.'' The narrator notes how young the outlaw Texas Red is (being "a youth of twenty-four"), the age of the Hero (referred to as the Stranger or the Ranger) is not specified however.
 
== [[Professional Wrestling]] ==
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** Old enough to be [[Faux Symbolism|his father]]
** Arthas also killed his father, and Terenas' ghost is part of the fight against him.
* In a scenario in ''[[Advance Wars]] II: Black Hole Rising'', [[Smug Snake]] Adder goes up against [[Old Master]] Sensei and starts taunting him concerning his age -- shortlyage—shortly before he is soundly whipped by the older and more experienced army commander.
** Further justified in that, on most map types, despite his age Sensei is considered by many to be one of the more broken CO's in the game because of his excellent infantry and ability to produce absolutely obscene numbers of them via CO Powers.
* Even if the age difference isn't that visible between [[Final Fantasy VII|Cloud and Kadaj]] in ''[[Advent Children]]'', this trope is in effect. Kadaj looks to be in his mid to late-teens whereas Cloud is in his early twenties. In fact, Kadaj (and his brothers) can't be older than two. One of the creators did mention that he wanted Cloud to face someone younger than him.
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* In ''Phoenix Wright: [[Ace Attorney]] Justice For All'', 25-year old Phoenix's main adversary in court is Franziska von Karma, an 18-year old [[Child Prodigy]] prosecutor.
* ''[[Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood|Assassin's Creed Brotherhood]]'' has the 43-year old Ezio Auditore going up against the 26-year old Cesare Borgia, son of ''Assassin's Creed II'' [[Big Bad]] Rodrigo Borgia.
** A slight example in ''[[Assassin's Creed: Revelations|Revelations]]'', where Ezio is only 6 years older than the real [[Big Bad]] {{spoiler|Prince Ahmet}}.
* With the exception of Ocelot, the only guy even older than Snake, Snake in ''[[Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots]]'' is easily the senior of everyone he fights. And that was ''before'' he started to succumb to [[Rapid Aging]].
* [[Henry Hatsworth]] looks to be quite a bit older than his rival, Weasleby. {{spoiler|He's definitely older than Cole.}}
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== [[Western Animation]] ==
* An episode of ''[[Gargoyles]]'' had Hudson and an injured Goliath playing cat and mouse with a gun-toting Demona. Hudson's plan was eventually revealed to be: hide just out of sight and let her yammer on till the sun came up. Despite what it looks like, this is actually something of an inversion -- Demonainversion—Demona is really [[Really Seven Hundred Years Old|several centuries older]] than Hudson, thanks to magical eternal youth on her part and a case of [[Human Popsicle|suspended animation]] on his, so she has both the advantage of centuries of experience without the disadvantages of aging. Hudson's victory is instead thanks to Demona's [[Immortal Immaturity]]. Whereas Demona has spent her centuries in a vicious cycle of rage, distrust and betrayal, Hudson made peace with life and found wisdom.
{{quote|'''Hudson:''' I know how to ''wait''.}}
* Youngblood mostly plays this role in ''[[Danny Phantom]]'' where his spunky, immature attitude clashes with Danny's teenage maturity. This becomes key in one episode. Because Youngblood can [[By the Eyes of the Blind|only be seen by children]], Jazz doesn't realize he exists because she thinks like an adult despite being sixteen. Danny however, takes inspiration from Youngblood's bratty, childish behavior and starts behaving like an [[Annoying Younger Sibling]], rendering Jazz to start throwing a tantrum and embracing her childhood, and importantly, spotting Youngblood. She then [[Brother-Sister Team|helps Danny kick his ass]].
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== [[Real Life]] ==
* Depending on your political leanings, [[Barack Obama|Obama]] vs McCain is either an example or an inversion. Same with [[John F. Kennedy|Kennedy]] vs [[Richard Nixon|Nixon]], [[Jimmy Carter|Carter]] vs [[Ronald Reagan|Reagan]], etc., etc.
* In 18th Century France, or thereabouts, and a young, talented, but arrogant fencer is boasting that he has learnt all he can from his aged fencing master, who has nothing more to teach him, etc. The fencing master is understandably upset about this, and challenges the pupil to a duel. Within three seconds, the now not-so-arrogant young man is lying on the ground bleeding. The master asks him, "Are you ''sure'' there's nothing more I can teach you?" This kind of stories are dime in a dozen in the fencing world. They're probably also at least partially true -- techniquetrue—technique nearly always beats strength and enthusiasm in a swordfight.
** Ditto martial arts. Young bully comes to town, old man bitch slaps him into last week with a single blow.
 
== Music ==
* In [[Marty Robbins]] ballad ''Big Iron.'' The narrator notes how young the outlaw Texas Red is (being "a youth of twenty-four"), the age of the Hero (referred to as the Stranger or the Ranger) is not specified however.
 
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