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*** Kathryn: Really someone who wants David back, or is more interested in the trappings of marriage than the man himself? She wants her husband and their kids someday but it's clear the person with her is more interested in fulfilling his obligations than 'her', but is she so guilt-ridden about their earlier tragedy she ignores it?
*** Kathryn: Really someone who wants David back, or is more interested in the trappings of marriage than the man himself? She wants her husband and their kids someday but it's clear the person with her is more interested in fulfilling his obligations than 'her', but is she so guilt-ridden about their earlier tragedy she ignores it?
*** Emma Swan: Giving Henry his best chance by sticking around, or a lonely woman who is clinging to the closest thing she has ever had for family?
*** Emma Swan: Giving Henry his best chance by sticking around, or a lonely woman who is clinging to the closest thing she has ever had for family?
*** David and M.M.'s affair: True love, [[Magic a Is Magic A|the most powerful magic]] (directly stated by Rumpelstiltskin) logically overcoming the Dark Curse? A deconstruction of how harmful all-consuming passion and fairy tale fancies are in [[Real Life]]? Or two weak-willed adults refusing to act emotionally mature or responsible?
*** David and M.M.'s affair: True love, [[Magic A Is Magic A|the most powerful magic]] (directly stated by Rumpelstiltskin) logically overcoming the Dark Curse? A deconstruction of how harmful all-consuming passion and fairy tale fancies are in [[Real Life]]? Or two weak-willed adults refusing to act emotionally mature or responsible?
* [[Anticlimax Boss]]:
* [[Anticlimax Boss]]:
** The Blind Witch is billed as a vicious cannibal and powerful witch, but she's barely onscreen for ten minutes before {{spoiler|the children/Evil Queen cook her}}. They even skip over the whole "Gretel is a slave and the witch fattens up Hansel."
** The Blind Witch is billed as a vicious cannibal and powerful witch, but she's barely onscreen for ten minutes before {{spoiler|the children/Evil Queen cook her}}. They even skip over the whole "Gretel is a slave and the witch fattens up Hansel."
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* [[Designated Protagonist Syndrome]]: Some think Emma is a bland, uninteresting protagonist with hardly any character.
* [[Designated Protagonist Syndrome]]: Some think Emma is a bland, uninteresting protagonist with hardly any character.
* [[Disproportionate Retribution]]: {{spoiler|Cora kills Regina's true love Daniel ''right in front of her'' and forces her to marry the king. So, naturally, Regina blames...Snow, who's the one who told Cora about the two of them.}}
* [[Disproportionate Retribution]]: {{spoiler|Cora kills Regina's true love Daniel ''right in front of her'' and forces her to marry the king. So, naturally, Regina blames...Snow, who's the one who told Cora about the two of them.}}
* [[Draco in Leather Pants]]: Rumpelstiltskin is getting this. [[Magnificent Bastard|It]] [[Woobie Destroyer of Worlds|was]] [[Driven to Villainy|inevitable]] [[Faux Affably Evil|really]].
* [[Draco in Leather Pants]]: Rumpelstiltskin is getting this. [[Magnificent Bastard|It]] [[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds|was]] [[Driven to Villainy|inevitable]] [[Faux Affably Evil|really]].
** He also ''actually wears'' leather pants.
** He also ''actually wears'' leather pants.
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: Ruby and Archie seem to be getting this treatment.
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: Ruby and Archie seem to be getting this treatment.
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** Minutes after "Hat Trick", shippers wanted the Stranger to get out of town so Emma wouldn't be bothered if she decided to shack up with her other creepy stalker, Jefferson/Mad Hatter, instead.
** Minutes after "Hat Trick", shippers wanted the Stranger to get out of town so Emma wouldn't be bothered if she decided to shack up with her other creepy stalker, Jefferson/Mad Hatter, instead.
** One of the most popular couples among fans is the [[Crack Ship]] / [[Foe Yay]] pairing of Regina and Emma. It is second in popularity only to Belle and Rumpelstiltskin and by far the most popular possible pairing for either woman.
** One of the most popular couples among fans is the [[Crack Ship]] / [[Foe Yay]] pairing of Regina and Emma. It is second in popularity only to Belle and Rumpelstiltskin and by far the most popular possible pairing for either woman.
* [[He Panned It Now He Sucks]]: ''Entertainment Weekly'''s Ken Tucker, while not completely giving [[Once Upon a Time]] a terrible score, didn't exactly give it praise with its pilot episode. So when even people who watched it with low expectations wound up loving the show, just about everyone reading his opinion piece ripped him a new one. A possible subversion, given that some of Ken's attackers [[Hatedom|already loathe him for numerous reasons]], and used this as yet another reason to call him a grumpy dinosaur (despite his surprisingly wide tastes in TV).
* [[He Panned It, Now He Sucks]]: ''Entertainment Weekly'''s Ken Tucker, while not completely giving [[Once Upon a Time]] a terrible score, didn't exactly give it praise with its pilot episode. So when even people who watched it with low expectations wound up loving the show, just about everyone reading his opinion piece ripped him a new one. A possible subversion, given that some of Ken's attackers [[Hatedom|already loathe him for numerous reasons]], and used this as yet another reason to call him a grumpy dinosaur (despite his surprisingly wide tastes in TV).
* [[Jerkass Woobie]]: It's hard not to feel sorry for Rumpelstiltskin in "Skin Deep" or "Desperate Souls".
* [[Jerkass Woobie]]: It's hard not to feel sorry for Rumpelstiltskin in "Skin Deep" or "Desperate Souls".
* [[Lighter and Softer]]:
* [[Lighter and Softer]]:
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* [[Visual Effects of Awesome]]: In the season one finale, {{spoiler|the dragon form of Maleficent}} is outstanding for a television production.
* [[Visual Effects of Awesome]]: In the season one finale, {{spoiler|the dragon form of Maleficent}} is outstanding for a television production.
* [[Wangst]]: [[Cinderella (Literature)|Ashley]] and [[Snow White (Literature)|Mary Margaret]] complaining how love isn't what they thought it would be in "Skin Deep". Both are complaining how ''hard'' it is. To elaborate: Mary Margaret is {{spoiler|dating an adulterer}} and Ashley's baby's daddy works all the time. Ashley's boyfriend is a nineteen-year-old supporting a cleaning lady and newborn daughter!
* [[Wangst]]: [[Cinderella (Literature)|Ashley]] and [[Snow White (Literature)|Mary Margaret]] complaining how love isn't what they thought it would be in "Skin Deep". Both are complaining how ''hard'' it is. To elaborate: Mary Margaret is {{spoiler|dating an adulterer}} and Ashley's baby's daddy works all the time. Ashley's boyfriend is a nineteen-year-old supporting a cleaning lady and newborn daughter!
* [[What an Idiot]]: The Genie in "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree". {{spoiler|After meeting Regina for two minutes he decides he's going to not only kill for her but kill the man who ''freed'' him from eternal slavery. Then when he finds out she set him up he refuses to flee and instead boneheadedly uses a wish (wishes he knows hardly ever turn out well) to be by her side forever. This for a woman who purposely led him on, used him and then set him up for murder. [[What an Idiot]] indeed.}}
* [[What an Idiot!]]: The Genie in "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree". {{spoiler|After meeting Regina for two minutes he decides he's going to not only kill for her but kill the man who ''freed'' him from eternal slavery. Then when he finds out she set him up he refuses to flee and instead boneheadedly uses a wish (wishes he knows hardly ever turn out well) to be by her side forever. This for a woman who purposely led him on, used him and then set him up for murder. [[What an Idiot!]] indeed.}}
** Cinderella also counts as this. While it is justified in how she was desperate to escape from her rather crappy life, she decides to [[Genre Blind|sign a contract without even reading it]] [[Too Dumb to Live|with someone who is]] [[Obviously Evil]].
** Cinderella also counts as this. While it is justified in how she was desperate to escape from her rather crappy life, she decides to [[Genre Blind|sign a contract without even reading it]] [[Too Dumb to Live|with someone who is]] [[Obviously Evil]].
** Snow in "An Apple Red As Blood". {{spoiler|Snow agrees to eat a poisoned apple because the Evil Queen says that if she eats it, then she won't kill him. Snow doesn't have any reason to believe that the Queen will keep her promise, but she eats the apple anyway. Naturally, the Evil Queen tries to execute him shortly afterwards.}}
** Snow in "An Apple Red As Blood". {{spoiler|Snow agrees to eat a poisoned apple because the Evil Queen says that if she eats it, then she won't kill him. Snow doesn't have any reason to believe that the Queen will keep her promise, but she eats the apple anyway. Naturally, the Evil Queen tries to execute him shortly afterwards.}}
** Jefferson, also in "An Apple Red As Blood". Jefferson agrees to help Regina, even though she screwed him over last time he worked with her. He makes a deal with her that if he helps her retrieve what she needs, then she will wipe his memory of the Fairy Tale world, make Grace remember that Jefferson is her father, and set them up for a good life. Regina agrees to this, but insists that he help her get what she wants first, which he does. After Regina has {{spoiler|the apple, she refuses to hold up her end of the bargain. She has no reason to do anything for Jefferson after he gets her what she wants, since he has no leverage. Also, if she wiped Jefferson's memories, he'd have no way to know if she had upheld her end of the bargain or not, or even that there was any sort of bargain to begin with.}}
** Jefferson, also in "An Apple Red As Blood". Jefferson agrees to help Regina, even though she screwed him over last time he worked with her. He makes a deal with her that if he helps her retrieve what she needs, then she will wipe his memory of the Fairy Tale world, make Grace remember that Jefferson is her father, and set them up for a good life. Regina agrees to this, but insists that he help her get what she wants first, which he does. After Regina has {{spoiler|the apple, she refuses to hold up her end of the bargain. She has no reason to do anything for Jefferson after he gets her what she wants, since he has no leverage. Also, if she wiped Jefferson's memories, he'd have no way to know if she had upheld her end of the bargain or not, or even that there was any sort of bargain to begin with.}}
* [[What Do You Mean Its Not for Kids]]: You know! Fairy tales!
* [[What Do You Mean It's Not for Kids?]]: You know! Fairy tales!
* [[What Do You Mean Its Not Heinous]]: Regina tearing down Henry's wooden fortress is regarded as a [[This Is Unforgivable|breath-takingly evil act]] by just about everyone. While it was certainly [[Evil Is Petty|unnecessary and mean-spirited,]] the reaction seems... excessive.
* [[What Do You Mean It's Not Heinous?]]: Regina tearing down Henry's wooden fortress is regarded as a [[This Is Unforgivable!|breath-takingly evil act]] by just about everyone. While it was certainly [[Evil Is Petty|unnecessary and mean-spirited,]] the reaction seems... excessive.
* [[What Do You Mean It Wasn't Made On Drugs]]: "Hat Trick" is a bit strange already, but about the time a giant blue smoke-blowing caterpillar appears, well...
* [[What Do You Mean It Wasn't Made On Drugs?]]: "Hat Trick" is a bit strange already, but about the time a giant blue smoke-blowing caterpillar appears, well...
* [[The Woobie]]:
* [[The Woobie]]:
** The two [[Parental Issues|unloved kids]]: Emma and Henry.
** The two [[Parental Issues|unloved kids]]: Emma and Henry.
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** Red. {{spoiler|See... Granny was bitten by the original Big Bad Wolf who, as it turns out, was a werewolf. And Granny's husband. In turn, this meant Granny's daughter would become the 2nd Big Bad. And in turn, Red herself is the 3rd Big Bad. Who happens to eat her love.}}
** Red. {{spoiler|See... Granny was bitten by the original Big Bad Wolf who, as it turns out, was a werewolf. And Granny's husband. In turn, this meant Granny's daughter would become the 2nd Big Bad. And in turn, Red herself is the 3rd Big Bad. Who happens to eat her love.}}
** Jefferson the Mad Hatter.
** Jefferson the Mad Hatter.
* [[Woobie Destroyer of Worlds]]:
* [[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds]]:
** The Evil Queen is primarily motivated to avenge the death of her former {{spoiler|lover, Daniel. Who was killed by her abusive mother, as a result of Snow White telling her about the love between them.}}
** The Evil Queen is primarily motivated to avenge the death of her former {{spoiler|lover, Daniel. Who was killed by her abusive mother, as a result of Snow White telling her about the love between them.}}
** Rumpelstiltskin, for that matter.
** Rumpelstiltskin, for that matter.