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{{quote|"''I wish my daughter had never met you!''"|'''Mr. James Wong''', ''[[Stranglehold]]'', during the final showdown.}}
|'''Mr. James Wong''', ''[[Stranglehold]]'', during the final showdown.}}
 
{{quote|"''If you were ordered (by your father) to finish me off, feel free to keep trying. I’ll just avoid your attacks while staying in love. Wait, actually that feels more like true love!''"|'''Claire Stanfield''', ''[[Baccano!]]'' (Light Novel 1933 period)}}
|'''Claire Stanfield''', ''[[Baccano!]]'' (Light Novel 1933 period)}}
 
You are a grown adult. You've found your true love, and he or she loves you back. You want to get married. Everything's great, right? Wrong! Your parents are convinced that you've picked the wrong person, and will do almost anything to prevent the marriage.
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Even though most people in the western world choose their own spouses, this ''isn't'' a [[Dead Horse Trope]]. It can still appear in historical fiction, fantasy, in stories not set in the western world, or in any story where parents believe that they have a right to meddle in their grown children's lives. Contrast [[Child Marriage Veto]].
 
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== Anime and Manga ==
 
== Anime ==
 
* An episode of ''[[Planetes]]'' inverted this when it turned out that Edel had to stay away from her husband for five years to prevent her parents from vetoing their divorce.
* Happens more than once on ''[[Maison Ikkoku]]''. One is in the [[Backstory]], where Kyoko's parents objected to her marriage to [[Hot for Teacher|her former teacher Soichiro]], another is at the end, where Kyoko's father again objects {{spoiler|to Godai's impending proposal. He gets over it in the end}}. A minor one is Godai's cousin, who ends up deciding to elope. {{spoiler|Her father catches on and decides that if she and her boyfriend are willing to elope, then he'll give his blessing.}}
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* In ''[[Final Approach]]'' Ryo learns late in the show that this is why his fiance was given to him at the start of the story. His grandmother and her grandfather were once in love but were torn apart by her grandfather's family for being from a poor family. He relented to his family's wish and married another woman. It turns out the entire setup for the series is her grandfather using his tremendous wealth to create a situation where his granddaughter can marry the grandson of the woman he lost to Parental Marriage Veto.
 
== FanfictionFan Works ==
* The first words {{spoiler|Megatron ever says to Sarah}} in 'Shadows Of The Past' are along the lines of "Break up with Will or die."
* Tuxedo Mask utterly fails to impress Ranma Saotome, the reincarnated Queen Serenity, when they first meet in the ''[[Ranma ½]]/[[Sailor Moon]]'' crossover fic ''[[Heir to the Empire]]'', and his rose attack reminds Ranma entirely too much of Kuno. When Ranma finds out that he's Usagi's fiancee, her immediate response is "Not anymore he ain't." (She does relent by the end of the story, though.)
 
== Film ==
 
* In ''[[The Lord of the Rings (film)|The Lord of the Rings]]'' movies, Elrond tries to keep his daughter Arwen from marrying Aragorn, since this would require her to give up her elven immortality. Unlike most examples of this trope, he makes a very sound and very logical argument against it, and has no actual quarrel with Aragorn. Emotionally, he wants his daughter to be happy, but he understands the consequences, and he wakes her up to reality. She marries him anyway, and accepts the consequences.
* ''[[Bend It Like Beckham]]'' is set in present-day England. The groom's Sikh parents try to break his engagement because the bride's younger sister has joined a women's football team and has been seen hugging a 'boy' in public (the 'boy' is [[Keira Knightley]]).
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* In the [[Bollywood]] film ''[[Kabhi Kushi Kabhie Gham]]'', adopted son Rahul marries Anjali against his father's wishes and is disowned. The father's main objection against Anjali - implied, rather than specifically stated - is that she is Muslim and not Hindu, and therefore cannot understand and carry on the family's honored traditions. Also an example of ''[[I Have No Son]]''.
* ''[[Letters to Juliet]]'': this was the reason the romance stopped in 1957.
* In ''[[Shrek]]|Shrek 2]]'', Fiona has already married Shrek, and the king tries to get rid of him, partly because he doesn't approve on his own and partly because Fairy Godmother is manipulating him to put her own son Prince Charming on the throne.
* This is essentially what ''[[Guess Who's Coming to Dinner]]'' is all about.
* ''[[Something New]]'': Its made pretty clear that Kenya's mother would disapprove of a relationship with Brian. Her father gives his support to her unconditionally, however, giving her the strength to pursue their relationship.
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* ''[[The Godfather]] Part III'': Although Vincent and Mary are cousins and didn't get married, Michael shows disapprove of their relationship because it would endanger his daughter. When Vincent becomes the new head of the family, he tells him the price: give up his relationship with his daughter.
* In [[Gene Stratton Porter]]'s ''[[Freckles]]'', McLean tells Angel she can't confess her love to Freckles for fear of her father's disapproval. She assures him afterwards that Freckles would not take her even with her father's consent, owing to his fear of disgracing her.
* ''[[2 States]]'' revolves around Krish and Ananya, a Punjabi man and a Tamil woman, trying to convince their parents to approve their marriage after a first encounter where their respective regional idiosyncrasies clashed caused each pair of parents to veto their children's partner. Ananya's parents are relatively easy to convince; Krish's, less so.
 
 
== Literature ==
 
* Many of [[Anthony Trollope]]'s novels contain this trope.
** In ''Doctor Thorne'', Frank Gresham's parents don't want him to wed Mary Thorne, who is illegitimate and poor. However, {{spoiler|illegitimate and rich is fine}}.
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* In ''[[Little Women]]'', Aunt March tries to do this to Meg when she wants to marry John Brooke, a poor Englishman and Laurie's tutor. It backfires, rousing Meg's anger and turning her reluctant 'no' into a defiant 'yes.'
** In ''Jo's Boys'', Meg won't let Daisy marry Nat because—besides his being an ex-homeless nobody—Meg (a widow by this point) doesn't think the sensitive, very young and inexpert musician will be able to man up and provide for Daisy. However, when he returns to the States after two years' European study, an established violinist with a steady income and excellent future prospects, Meg relents. The beard he grows in the meanwhile helps.
* [[Jane Austen]] really [[''loves'' Thisthis Trope]]trope. Then, it was the law of the land in her day, unless you escaped to Scotland.
** In ''[[Pride and Prejudice]]'', Mr Darcy's aunt attempts to veto the marriage. Despite the fact that Darcy and Elizabeth aren't even engaged. This actually instigates the marriage, which she still disapproves of.
** The lovers of ''[[Sense and Sensibility (novel)|Sense and Sensibility]]'', ''[[Northanger Abbey]]'', and ''[[Persuasion]]'' also face this.
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* In the second ''[[Apprentice Adept]]'' trilogy: Stile and Lady Blue object to Bane (or rather [[Freaky Friday|his Photon doppelgänger, Mach in Bane's body]] marrying Fleta the unicorn. Not for any species hangups but because Fleta wouldn't be able to provide an heir to the title of Blue Adept. Since this was a case of [[Shoot the Dog|Reason Before Honor]] in a [[Piers Anthony]] work, this bites the good guys hard in the ass later.
* Sorta used in Andersen's ''The Shepherdess and the Chimney-Sweep''. The Chinaman isn't the Shepherdess's father for obvious reasons (they're porcelain figurines), but he still wants her to "marry" the mahogany satyr instead of the chimneysweep she fancies.
* A fact of life in ''[[Funny Boy]]''. One character was completely cut off from her family for marrying outside her ethnic group. Radha's parents and siblings definitely act as though this power is a given, and although Radha is willing to defy them, this is a very serious decision.
* [[Elsie Dinsmore]]'s father vetoes ''two'' proposals. The first is from a sickly childhood friend; Horace is afraid he won't reach twenty-one (and he doesn't). The second is from a con man after her inheritance. Elsie honors her father's wishes both times and ends up marrying the man who exposed the second candidate as a drunk and gambler.
* In the [[Agatha Christie]] novel ''The Murder on the Links'', Paul Renauld forbids his son Jack from marrying Marthe Dubriel, and cuts him out of his will. {{spoiler|It transpires that Marthe is [[In the Blood|the murderous daughter of a blackmailing murderess]], so he had a point.}}
** Another [[Agatha Christie]] example comes from the [[Miss Marple]] novel ''A Pocket Full of Rye.'' Rex Fortescue threatens to cut off his daughter Elaine without a cent if she marries the Communist Gerald Wright. Elaine would have married him anyway, but Gerald was only interested in Elaine for her money and promptly dumped her. At least until Rex died, leaving Elaine a large amount of money...
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{{quote|''Adam was the one son of the seven who had ignored his father's law that all of his boys were to marry strong, healthy young women, poor women, working women. Each of the others at coming of age had contracted this prescribed marriage as speedily as possible, first asking father Bates, the girl afterward. If father Bates disapproved, the girl was never asked at all.''}}
 
== Live -Action TV ==
 
* One plotline of ''[[That '70s Show|That 70's Show]]'' had Eric and Donna planning to get married just after high school. Red is completely opposed to the idea and does everything in his power to dissuade Eric from going through with it, including threatening to not pay for Eric's college education and convincing others of not hiring Eric in part-time jobs. Eric persists and says that he's going to marry Donna no matter what Red does. Eventually Red gives his blessing and reveals that his obstruction was a [[Secret Test of Character]] for Eric.
== Live Action TV ==
 
* One plotline of ''[[That '70s Show|That 70's Show]]'' had Eric and Donna planning to get married just after high school. Red is completely opposed to the idea and does everything in his power to dissuade Eric from going through with it, including threatening to not pay for Eric's college education and convincing others of not hiring Eric in part-time jobs. Eric persists and says that he's going to marry Donna no matter what Red does. Eventually Red gives his blessing and reveals that his obstruction was a [[Secret Test of Character]] for Eric.
* In ''[[Waterloo Road]]'', Tom is unhappy that Chlo wants to marry Donte. When she goes off to a registry office in secret to do it, he arrives, does the [[I Object]] thing (at the right time) then discovers he can't stop the marriage. He is not her legal guardian, her absent father has agreed to it (she's under 18, so he has to under UK law) and her mother is too dead to object, by virtue of having been murdered at the end of the previous season. Tom has now accepted the whole thing and the couple (having gone through a brief break-up) now intend to do the proper [[White Wedding]] thing.
* In one episode of ''[[House (TV series)|House]]'', a married couple had assumed the parental veto was because of the father's apparently racist tendencies, and eloped anyway. It's much [[Incest Is Relative|squickier]] than that.
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* A bit of a retroactive one in [[CSI]], with Betty Grissom upset because Gil didn't marry Julia and did marry Sara and because of their [[Long-Distance Relationship]].
 
== Oral Tradition, Folklore, Myths and Legends ==
== Mythology ==
* [[Older Than Dirt]]: The [[Egyptian Mythology|Egyptian]] air god Shu tried to prevent his son and daughter, Geb and Nut (earth and sky), from marrying each other and having kids. In another version, the sun god Re tried to prevent their marriage. Either way, it didn't work, and Geb and Nut became the parents of Wesiri/Osiris, Aset/Isis, Sutakh/Set, Nebet-hut/Nephthys, and maybe Haruw/Horus the Elder. Nonetheless, Shu still holds them apart.
 
== MythologyTheatre ==
 
== Theater ==
 
* [[Shakespeare]]an examples:
** ''[[A Midsummer Night's Dream]]'' by [[William Shakespeare]]—Egeus wants his daughter Hermia to marry Demetrius rather than Lysander, the man she loves.
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== Video Games ==
 
* In John Woo's ''Stranglehold'', the major contributor to the game's emotional drama is the fact that [[Big Bad|Mr. Wong]]'s daughter Billie is in love with maverick cop Tequila. Wong despises Tequila both because he is a cop and because back in the movie ''Hard-Boiled'', {{spoiler|Tequila killed Johnny Wong, whom it turns out is Mr. Wong's son}}. Eighteen years ago, Wong intimidated Billie, who was pregnant with Tequila's daughter Teko, into breaking up with Tequila so that Wong wouldn't kill them all, and when Wong had to entrust Tequila with the task of rescuing Billie and Teko from the Zakarovs, Wong {{spoiler|[[Offing the Offspring|had Billie killed]] by Tequila's own partner Jerry, both to protect his syndicate (Zakarov had threatened to make her reveal everyone connected to Dragon Claw in a court of law to protect Teko's life) and to deny her to Tequila forever in a nasty [[Kick the Dog]] moment}}.
* In ''[[Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure]]'', the King of the Frogs doesn't approve of Princess Caroline's relationship with Michael, a commoner. After catching Michael inside the castle, he almost has him executed on the spot, but then claims that Michael can only earn his respect if he helps Cornet retrieve the Earthstone. {{spoiler|After they succeed, he then promptly declares that now Michael must be executed for breaking into the castle ''and'' defeating the guardian, and has him killed on the spot. [[It Got Worse|This solves nothing]], leading to Caroline and Michael being [[Together in Death]].}}
** ''[[Final Fantasy XIII]]'' has Lighting object to Snow and Serah's engagement until a good ways into the game. As her and Serah's parents are dead and she cares for Serah, it's very much this trope despite them being sisters.
* ''[[Super Paper Mario]]'' had Blumiere's father banishing Timpani to [[And I Must Scream|wander all dimensions forever]] because she was of a different race and he didn't want Blumiere associating with her. [[Apocalypse How|Didn't]] [[The End of the World as We Know It|work]] [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero|out]] [[Omnicidal Maniac|for]] [[Love Makes You Evil|him]].
* ''[[Tekken]] 6'' has [[Jerk with a Heart of Gold|Miguel]] planning on killing his sister's boyfriend, but eventually declines [[I Want My Beloved to Be Happy|to make her happy]].
 
== Web Comics ==
* In ''[[Red String]]'' it's been recently{{when}} revealed {{spoiler|Miharu and Kazuo's [[Arranged Marriage]], which has developed into love anyway, was all his mother's idea in order to give him a chance not to be married to be a snotty society girl. This is against his father's wishes, who wants it called off. When he tells Kazuo to do so (Kazuo having overheard the details already a day before) it [http://redstring.strawberrycomics.com/comic/ch29-p21.html doesn't go down well].}}
 
* In ''[[PvP (webcomic)|Pv PPvP]]'', Brent and Jade's wedding reservation was canceled by Jade's mother due to them arranging the wedding in a way she didn't like, fortunately Robbie allowed them to have it at his mansion.
* In ''[[Red String]]'' it's been recently revealed {{spoiler|Miharu and Kazuo's [[Arranged Marriage]], which has developed into love anyway, was all his mother's idea in order to give him a chance not to be married to be a snotty society girl. This is against his father's wishes, who wants it called off. When he tells Kazuo to do so (Kazuo having overheard the details already a day before) it [http://redstring.strawberrycomics.com/comic/ch29-p21.html doesn't go down well].}}
* In ''[[Erstwhile]]'', [https://web.archive.org/web/20131102002122/http://www.erstwhiletales.com/maidmaleen-01/#.T29v29m6SuI Maid Maleen's father rejected her love.]
* In ''[[PvP (webcomic)|Pv P]]'', Brent and Jade's wedding reservation was canceled by Jade's mother due to them arranging the wedding in a way she didn't like, fortunately Robbie allowed them to have it at his mansion.
* In ''[[Erstwhile]]'', [http://www.erstwhiletales.com/maidmaleen-01/#.T29v29m6SuI Maid Maleen's father rejected her love.]
 
 
== Web Original ==
 
* One of the laws of the Pantheon in ''[[Thalia's Musings]]'', even for the Twelve Olympians. Apollo tries to invoke this as Governor of the Muses, but is quickly shot down by [[Team Mom|Calliope]]. It's strongly implied that Artemis, as her twin brother Apollo's legal guardian, can invoke this to him.
 
== Western Animation ==
* In '''[[Fairly Oddparents]]'', Mama Cosma hates Wanda and Big Daddy hates Cosmo. The two parents end up as a couple of their own for their mutual hate for each of their kid's husband/wifespouse.
 
* In '''[[Fairly Oddparents]]'', Mama Cosma hates Wanda and Big Daddy hates Cosmo. The two parents end up as a couple of their own for their mutual hate for their kid's husband/wife.
* ''[[Princess Sissi]]'' is all about the trials and tribulations Sissi goes through to try to marry the unapproved-of Franz, being loosely based on the life of Elizabeth of Bavaria. In real life, it didn't end up as happily as the cartoon says.
 
== Real LifeOther Media ==
 
* Many gay and bisexual people risk getting disowned by getting married, if they can even legally get married. Also, if they belong to an organized religion that is against same-sex marriage, they may end up being excommunicated and excluded from certain aspects of involvement with church activities if they dare to marry someone of the same gender as themselves, which can be just as depressing as having one's parents reject them for their marriage. '''[[Flame War|AND WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE RATHER THAN DEBATE THE GEOPOLITICS OF THE ISSUE, OKAY]]?'''
* Beatrix Potter got engaged to the publisher of her storybooks. Her parents objected because he was a tradesman but eventually relented, if she would wait out the summer to make sure her love for him was real. [[Tear Jerker|Unfortunately, he died before summer's end and the wedding never happened.]] You can [[Tears of Remorse|imagine]] [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero|her parents']] [[My God, What Have I Done?|reactions]]...
* Peculiar example because it's based partially around an [[Arranged Marriage]]: a Jewish rabbi has set up a system in which Jewish children (on a voluntary basis) are tested to see if they're carriers of the recessive Tay-Sachs Syndrome genetic disease, which kills by age two should a child receive two copies of the gene. In this project, the children are not told the results of the test, but are given a number. In later life, should their families be contemplating a match between two people who have been tested, they just send the numbers in and are advised to drop the match if both of them are carriers... a rare ''genetic'' Parental Marriage Veto.
* Then there is of course the royal families. For example, a recently engaged princess had to have her relationship of seven years approved by the local government as well as her family, and there have been rumors that the king has been stalling the engagement for quite some time.
* A rather extreme version of this trope - the bride-to-be's parents ''kidnapped'' her on her wedding day to keep her from marrying her husband. She got married anyway a few days late, and they got charged with a felony.
* In the Baha'i faith, a couple cannot get married unless they both get the consent of their parents. If one of them vetoes it, they'll just have to wait until the grouch keels over.
* [[Nouveau Riche|Consuelo Vanderbilt]] had hoped to marry Winthrop Rutherfurd. Her mother refused, because she set up her marriage to [[Impoverished Patrician|Duke of Marlborough]]. To this end, she first begged, ordered, and even faked a fatal illness to force her daughter to marry the Duke. Her daughter finally relented, after which her mother's fatal illness miraculously got cured.
* J.R.R. Tolkien's own romance, which became the basis for the story of Beren and Lúthien. Tolkien met Edith Bratt at 16 and 19 respectively and fell in love, but his guardian Father Morgan later forbade contact between them until Tolkien became a legal adult at 21. He wrote her on the evening his twenty-first birthday and found out she was engaged to another man. She broke it off, though, when she learned he hadn't forgotten her and accepted Tolkien's marriage proposal.
 
== Other ==
 
* There's an old joke based on this:
{{quote|One Sunday morning William burst into the living room and said, "Dad! Mom! I have some great news for you! I am getting married to the most beautiful girl in town. She lives a block away and her name is Susan."
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"Dad has done so much harm.. I guess I'm never going to get married," he complained. "Every time I fall in love, Dad tells me the girl is my half-sister."
His mother just shook her head. "Don't pay any attention to what he says, dear. He's not really your father." }}
* And a related popular Renaissance Faire song, called [https://web.archive.org/web/20131031001421/http://chivalry.com/cantaria/lyrics/johnny_be_fair.html 'Johnny Be Fair']:
{{quote|And I would marry Johnny but my father up and said:
I hate to tell you, daughter, what your mother never knew,
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The lads in town are all my kin and my father is the cause.
If things should thus continue, I shall die a single miss
I think I'll go to mother and complain to her of this. }}
 
{{quote|Oh daughter didn't I teach you to forgive and to forget.
Your father sowed his wild oats, on that you needn't fret.
Your father may be father to all the lads but still....
He's not the one who sired you so marry who you will! }}
 
== TheaterReal Life ==
* Many gay and bisexual people risk getting disowned by getting married, if they can even legally get married. Also, if they belong to an organized religion that is against same-sex marriage, they may end up being excommunicated and excluded from certain aspects of involvement with church activities if they dare to marry someone of the same gender as themselves, which can be just as depressing as having one's parents reject them for their marriage. '''[[Flame War|AND WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE RATHER THAN DEBATE THE GEOPOLITICS OF THE ISSUE, OKAY]]?'''
* The historic pattern of [[Elopement]] to Gretna Green, [[Scotland]] and the "wedding over the anvil" was a response to English law which, at the time, set a minimum age of twenty-one for marriage without parental consent and required [[Speak Now or Forever Hold Your Peace|the banns of marriage]] be read in the church for multiple consecutive weeks before any wedding – making it difficult or impossible for these couples to wed in secret in England. These legal differences largely no longer exist in Great Britain, but some do still elope to Scotland for tradition's sake.
* [[Beatrix Potter]] got engaged to the publisher of her storybooks. Her parents objected because he was a tradesman but eventually relented, if she would wait out the summer to make sure her love for him was real. [[Tear Jerker|Unfortunately, he died before summer's end and the wedding never happened.]] You can [[Tears of Remorse|imagine]] [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero|her parents']] [[My God, What Have I Done?|reactions]]...
* Peculiar example because it's based partially around an [[Arranged Marriage]]: a Jewish rabbi has set up a system in which Jewish children (on a voluntary basis) are tested to see if they're carriers of the recessive Tay-Sachs Syndrome genetic disease, which kills by age two should a child receive two copies of the gene. In this project, the children are not told the results of the test, but are given a number. In later life, should their families be contemplating a match between two people who have been tested, they just send the numbers in and are advised to drop the match if both of them are carriers... a rare ''genetic'' Parental Marriage Veto.
* Then there is of course the royal families. For example, a recently{{when}} engaged princess had to have her relationship of seven years approved by the local government as well as her family, and there have been rumors that the king has been stalling the engagement for quite some time.
* A rather extreme version of this trope - the bride-to-be's parents ''kidnapped'' her on her wedding day to keep her from marrying her husband. She got married anyway a few days late, and they got charged with a felony.
* In the Baha'i faith, a couple cannot get married unless they both get the consent of their parents. If one of them vetoes it, they'll just have to wait until the grouch keels over.
* [[Nouveau Riche|Consuelo Vanderbilt]] had hoped to marry Winthrop Rutherfurd. Her mother refused, because she set up her marriage to [[Impoverished Patrician|Duke of Marlborough]]. To this end, she first begged, ordered, and even faked a fatal illness to force her daughter to marry the Duke. Her daughter finally relented, after which her mother's fatal illness miraculously got cured.
* [[J. R. R. Tolkien]]'s own romance, which became the basis for the story of Beren and Lúthien. Tolkien met Edith Bratt at 16 and 19 respectively and fell in love, but his guardian Father Morgan later forbade contact between them until Tolkien became a legal adult at 21. He wrote her on the evening his twenty-first birthday and found out she was engaged to another man. She broke it off, though, when she learned he hadn't forgotten her and accepted Tolkien's marriage proposal.
 
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