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{{trope}}
{{quote|"I guess I'm just trying to say... my parents aren't perfect, but they tried their best. I guess that just makes them human, in the end."|[[Katawa Shoujo|Hisao]], Weekend at Hisao's}}
|[[Katawa Shoujo|Hisao]], ''[[Weekend at Hisao's]]''}}
 
Jim and Joan are nice. You'd like them if you met them. Jim's the boss of the big advertising company down the street, and Joan's a physics teacher at the nearby high school. They were [[High School Sweethearts]], and are still clearly in love. They play tennis together on a Saturday, but on Sunday Jim goes fishing while Joan goes white water rafting. They're always busy, but always friendly. Nice folks.
 
Oh, and they have a son. When they ''remember'' they have a son, they're [[Doting Parent|Doting Parents]]s... it's just that they keep forgetting he exists.
 
This trope seems to be a fairly recent development. Unlike the all-powerful but under-characterised [[Parent Ex Machina]], the reader/viewer knows quite a bit about the hero or heroine's parents. They have friends outside the home, hobbies that take them out of the house and full time jobs. The audience will also be able to discern what kind of relationship the two have as a couple -- whethercouple—whether they're still as starry-eyed over each other as they were when they started dating, or on the brink of divorce. They will have quirks, character strengths and character failings.
 
They'll also be pretty hopeless as parents.
 
This couple are not usually nasty -- ornasty—or, if they are, we'll be told all about their [[Freudian Excuse]]. They're probably at least sympathetic, if not downright likable. We'd probably like to have them as friends, but definitely wouldn't want them as parents.
 
If you're a protagonist, and your parents are given lots of witty one liners, lots of characterisation and inhabit the [[Competence Zone]] to some degree, expect to suffer [[Parental Abandonment]] as they pursue their hobbies and relationships at your expense. If mum and dad are still together, you'll be a living example of the phrase "the children of lovers are orphans," as the parental units will be too wrapped up in each other to spend much time with you. On the other hand, if they're fighting constantly, they'll be too busy yelling at each other to notice that you haven't eaten in three days.
 
One particular type of this parent is one, usually-single parent that is firmly in the [[Competence Zone]], and probably a part of their child's [[Zany Scheme|zany schemes.]] The hero's friends will think these parents are "cool." The hero will probably agree... he just wishes his dad would occasionally show up to parents' night, and that mum remembered to cook dinner every so often.
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The "golfing dad" is an old trope, and if dad's the only absent parent the child probably won't suffer too badly (until the plot calls for it). However, if ''mum'' has a hobby that takes her out of the house, works at a demanding job or has a problem that makes her borderline unfit as a parent, parental neglect will almost certainly be a plot point. How it's approached varies from show to show, from the mother realising she'd go mad without her career, to an enormous guilt trip about abandoning her child.
 
If this happens in a family of sufficiently high social standing, particularly in a medieval or fantasy setting (being a king requires a lot of work, you know), there is a chance that the protagonist and/or one or more of his siblings may become [[Royally Screwed -Up]] as a result.
 
Unlike [[Parent Ex Machina]], these parents aren't infallible, and they can't solve all of their kids' problems because they can barely handle their own. Their son or daughter can't blithely assume that "dad will take care of it," because he won't. Or he'll try to, and fail spectacularly.
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To compensate, there's usually an alternative [[Mentors|mentor]] who fills in for the absent or ineffective parent. If not, the child will be an adult long before his time, as being the [[Only Sane Man]] in a crazy family will force them to take care of themselves. If they're the oldest sibling, they'll probably ''be'' the "[[Promotion to Parent|alternative parent]]."
 
{{examples|Examples}}
== Anime &and Manga ==
 
* The Hirasawa parents in ''[[K-On!]]'' are usually away on romantic hijinks, leaving younger sister Ui to serve as a surrogate parent for [[Cloudcuckoolander]] Yui. In the manga, the rest of the main cast finally meet them ''on the day of Yui's entrance exam to college'', and only because they came over because they were worried she might sleep too late.
== Anime & Manga ==
* Prof. Yumi from ''[[Mazinger Z (Anime)|Mazinger Z]]'' sincerely loved and cared for his daughter Sayaka, but he was too [[Married to Thethe Job]] and busy trying to save the world to take care of her properly, and often Sayaka missed her father.
* The Hirasawa parents in ''[[K-On]]'' are usually away on romantic hijinks, leaving younger sister Ui to serve as a surrogate parent for [[Cloudcuckoolander]] Yui. In the manga, the rest of the main cast finally meet them ''on the day of Yui's entrance exam to college'', and only because they came over because they were worried she might sleep too late.
* Momomiya Ichigo's parents in ''[[Tokyo Mew Mew]]'' are completely wrapped up in each other, her mother is quick to squeal over whichever boy she's seen her daughter with, and her father is overprotective and goes off on a [[Rant -Inducing Slight]]. However, they're shuffled off to [[Parental Abandonment]]-land when she has to save the world, only to come back and punish her for being late to get home. They're seen as good people, they just... don't get it.
* Prof. Yumi from ''[[Mazinger Z (Anime)|Mazinger Z]]'' sincerely loved and cared for his daughter Sayaka, but he was too [[Married to The Job]] and busy trying to save the world to take care of her properly, and often Sayaka missed her father.
* Part of the [[Deconstruction]] in ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' revolves around this trope. Many [[Super Robot]] shows have a teenage mecha pilot and a long-absent father who designed the mecha, so ''Evangelion'' shows how traumatizing it would be for a real teen to fight in a giant robot -- androbot—and what kind of father would be long-absent to design the robot.
* Momomiya Ichigo's parents in ''[[Tokyo Mew Mew]]'' are completely wrapped up in each other, her mother is quick to squeal over whichever boy she's seen her daughter with, and her father is overprotective and goes off on a [[Rant Inducing Slight]]. However, they're shuffled off to [[Parental Abandonment]]-land when she has to save the world, only to come back and punish her for being late to get home. They're seen as good people, they just... don't get it.
* Part of the [[Deconstruction]] in ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' revolves around this trope. Many [[Super Robot]] shows have a teenage mecha pilot and a long-absent father who designed the mecha, so ''Evangelion'' shows how traumatizing it would be for a real teen to fight in a giant robot -- and what kind of father would be long-absent to design the robot.
** If one were to account parental guardians in this, Misato definitely counts as this Trope. She tries as hard as she can to be nurturing and protective to Shinji and Asuka, but due to her own rather pressing emotional baggage, she has trouble getting close to them.
** In fact Super Robot series very, very often show the teenagers being traumatized due to the absence of their parents. ''[[Mazinger Z (Anime)|Mazinger Z]]''? Dr. Kabuto was a [[Mad Scientist]] in the original manga, Sayaka was missing her father constantly and it took a long while for Shiro forgiving the fact of his father let they believed he was dead FOR YEARS. ''[[Great Mazinger (Anime)|Great Mazinger]]''? Tetsuya Tsurugi is EXACTLY the same character Asuka is ([[Unbuilt Trope|but created]] [[Older Than They Think|twenty years before]]) due to being an orphan and his adoptive father being more concerned with saving the humanity what with being a good father and helping him with his inferiority complex, lacking of self-steem and jealousy. ''[[Kotetsu Jeeg (Anime)|Kotetsu Jeeg]]''? Hiroshi Shiba stated in the FIRST episode his father could not care less about his family and therefore he could not care less about him (and later it was seen what, not matter what he told, Hiroshi was hurt cause it). ''[[Zambot 3 (Anime)|Zambot 3]]''? His father being missing right when he needed him was one of the many traumas Kappei Jin was forced to endure throughout the series. ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam (Anime)|Mobile Suit Gundam]]''? Amuro's father hardly had time for his family. And so on.
* ''[[Umineko no Naku Koro Ni (Visual Novel)|Umineko no Naku Koro Nini]]'' is one of the most radical examples of this trope. The parents aren't just people, they're full-fledged main characters. All of the mothers got some great development, and the fathers have quite a bit as well. (Except Hideyoshi, who despite being really nice we don't know much about, [[Ensemble Darkhorse|to the disappointment of the fanbase]].) They also have one of the [[Big Screwed -Up Family|Biggest, Most Screwed Up Families]] you're ever going to meet.
* Averted in ''[[Clannad (Visualvisual Novelnovel)|Clannad]]'' with Nagisa Furukawa's parents. Her father Akio has the phases of the tough guy and an [[Overprotective Dad]], while her mother Sanae has the sensitive and loving personality as [[The Ditz]] and [[Moe Moe]]. They are willing to do everything to protect and help Nagisa whilst trying to maintain a healthy, loving relationship between their own selves. {{spoiler|It was eventually revealed that the two indeed ''followed'' this trope earlier in their lives as they were constantly busy pursuing their dream careers in acting (Akio) and teaching (Sanae) and little Nagisa was left alone home constantly. After an incident where Nagisa fell seriously ill while they were working and they [[Parent Ex Machina|just managed to save her before she nearly died]], they find out she was [[Ill Girl|born sickly]] and have decided to both quit their jobs to pursue the goal of protecting Nagisa instead. This explains the bakery, and why Sanae is [[Lethal Chef|so horrible at baking]] to begin with. Poor Nagisa doesn't know this, and enters a state of [[Wangst]] for a few episodes after she finds out, but eventually recovers when [[Parent Ex Machina|her parents tell her directly during an important play she was doing]] that she shouldn't [[ItsIt's All My Fault|blame herself]]}}.
* ''[[Digimon]]'' loves this trope:
** [[Digimon Adventure 02|Ken Ichijouji's]] parents ignored him in [[Parental Favoritism|favor of his genius older brother]], Osamu. When Osamu was hit by a car and died, they were too grieved to pay any attention to him and missed a lot of things that could have prevented his [[Start of Darkness]], such as the creepy e-mails he was getting from one of Mr. Ichijouji's coworkers. They did not seem to give their younger child the time of day until ''he'' started showing signs of genius tendencies and it was like Osamu reborn. They were suitably repentant when Ken, to all appearances, ran away from home and came back with [[Easy Amnesia]], culminating in a [[Crowning Moment of Heartwarming]] when he aknowledges them as his parents again, and ever since then their relationship is more normal.
** [[Digimon Tamers|Juri Katou's]] father was simply not prepared to deal with his wife's early death and was a serious believer in [[Tough Love]], and so he inadvertently warped his little girl into a [[Stepford Smiler]] who believed it's her destiny to be unhappy. When he realized his mistake, [[Tear Jerker|it was almost too late.]]
*** Also Ruki's [[Hot Mom]] Rumiko, who cares for her kid but due to having her [[Absurdly Youthful Mother|when she was 17]], takes quite a while to really assume her motherly role.
** What about Mr. Lee? The man has a good heart and ''does'' try to help, but he completely neglects to inform Jian that Terriermon would be used to defeat [[Eldritch Abomination|the D-Reaper]] at the cost of all the kids losing their Digimon. And boy, does it hurt not just Jian, but ''everyone''.
*** Note that he did not tell them deliberately, since there was the very real risk of the kids refusing to go through with the plan {{spoiler|Andand allowing the D-Reaper to fuse Mother D-Reaper and Cable Reaper to complete it's plan, i.e, the end of all life}}. In a way, it's also part of a deconstruction of what it would mean for the parents to have to rely on their children to fight.
** [[Digimon Savers|Touma Norstein's]] father Franz, who couldn't stand up to his mother when she told his half-Japanese son that he wasn't good enough to be a Norstein, ''days'' after his mother's funeral and being transplanted to Austria, and nearly sold out the planet to a [[Mad Scientist]] because he promised to cure his [[Ill Girl]] daughter by fusing her with a Digimon. [[Calling the Old Man Out|Touma, logically, was PISSED at that.]]
** [[Digimon Adventure|Yamato Ishida's]] dad Hiroaki is the "one foot in the [[Competence Zone]]" variety--hevariety—he's probably the fourth most plot-involved parent in the franchise (losing to guys who significantly influenced the back stories of their canons) and basically treats his son like a housewife sometimes. His ex-wife Natsuko fares somewhat better in regards to Takeru, but she's still unable to drive him to school on his first day there.
*** And Sora's parents, Toshiko and Haruhiko. Toshiko was a very traditional [[Yamato Nadeshiko]] who [[Almighty Mom|tended to be bossy and disapprove of Sora's more hotheaded nature]] (she scolds young Sora for talking to her when not properly seated once, and barring her from going to a soccer match {{spoiler|when she was injured}}), whereas Haruhiko was too absorbed in his work outside of Tokyo. They're doing much better in the second season, though.
*** Let's not forget Koushirou's parents, Masami and Yoshie. They're technically [[Good Parents]], genuinely loving and even doting a little on him... {{spoiler|but didn't tell Koushirou that he was actually their nephew, and they adopted him after his parents died in a car crash as a baby. Which also coincided with the death of their own child.}} Koushirou learned this "little secret" while overhearing a talk between them, and it caused him lots of angst. But then, they talk about it openly and get better.
** Try Kouji and Kouichi's parents in ''[[Digimon Frontier]]''. Both boys were raised on the story that their [[Disappeared Dad]] (Kouichi)/MissingMom[[Missing Mom]] (Kouji) was dead and until the death of their maternal grandmother, neither knew the other existed. On the other hand, Tomoko is technically [[Good Parents|a good mother]] if a bit of an adult [[Ill Girl]] and Kousei at least seems to be a decent enough dad.
* [[Fragile Flower|Nazuna]]'s parents in ''[[Hidamari Sketch]].'' When they first appear to help Nazuna moving in, the other Hidamari residents instantly like them, since they're friendly and apparently doting. However, a few comics later it's clear that they have basically [[Parental Abandonment|abandoned their child]], as Nazuna's dad was transferred and her mother decided that ''her teenage daughter'' was better suited to living alone than her husband, a ''grown man.'' So she decided to go with him, and left Nazuna to fend for herself. [[True Companions|Good thing the Hidamari residents are so close-knit.]]
** To a lesser extent, Yuno's parents. They can be a little oddball and embarrassing, but did at least worry about their daughter's decision to live alone. Her dad is also the classic [[Overprotective Dad]], so they haven't completely abandoned their parental roles, even if they do like to recapture their youth by visiting amusement parks.
* ''[[From Eroica Withwith Love]]'' briefly examined the repercussions of this - an unusually serious take for a comedy manga. Dorian's dad was a gay aristocrat, who was presumably pressured into marrying. After three daughters (who he doesn't seem to have concerned himself with), he is delighted with his son, who he sees as "an ally in a house full of women." He no longer bothers pretending to be respectable, and fills the house with his assorted friends, including thieves and criminals of various types, introducing his son into this social sphere. Dorian takes to thievery like a duck to water, and his father encourages this. That's the last straw for Dorian's mother, who packs up her daughters and leaves the family home, which eventually has to be sold to pay for the divorce settlement.
* In ''[[Sakende Yaruze]]'', meeting for the first time at the ages of 17 and 33 respectively, Nakaya and Shino both have trouble sorting out their father-son relationship precisely because at this point in their lives they are inclined to see each other as people first and don't know where to draw lines or how they should act once Nakaya comes to live with Shino. Ultimately, Shino does fail as an ''ideal'' parent and chooses not centre his life around Nakaya, but [[Wise Beyond Their Years|Nakaya]] also chooses not to ask him to.
* If [[Fruits Basket|the Sohma parents]] don't abuse their cursed children, they're likely to end up as this. I.e., Ritsu's mom Meshou is a [[Fragile Flower]] who [[Apologises a Lot]], and Kisa's [[Hot Mom]] almost gives up raising her because she's too stressed and sad upon not being able to help Kisa with her school troubles.
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** Kaoru, too. It's clear he loves Himeno, but he himself is a very irresponsible [[Man Child]] until almost the end of the story.
* In ''[[Gundam Wing]]'', Relena is shown to be somewhat resentful of her father's job keeping him away from his family; in fact, one of her first lines of dialog has her admonishing him to take some more time for himself. This isn't helped by the fact that he brings her along on business trips so they can spend time together but keeps getting called away. However, there's no question that her father loves her, and that she loves him and understands that he's a very important man (being the Vice Foreign Minister to ''the entire planet''). Later in the series, she admits that she was selfish for not seeing just how important his work was. {{spoiler|Even the revelation that she's adopted does nothing to change how she feels, and in [[The Movie]] she takes up the Darlian surname once more.}}
* ''[[Hamtaro (Anime)|Hamtaro]]'' mostly has [[Good Parents]], but Mimi's family falls squarely into this. It's understandable if we consider that the Iwata family is ''very'' large by Japanese standards (four children, {{spoiler|including their newborn baby}}), and they ''do'' try to aid her, but one can't help feeling bad for poor Mimi when she spends a lot of her time alone at home.
* [[Widower Hero|Kotetsu]] from ''[[Tiger and Bunny]]'' is a single father who struggles with the fact that his dream job as a superhero means that he can't really spend much time with his daughter, Kaede, who lives with her grandmother and uncle.
* Satoshi and Eriko Oginome from ''[[Mawaru Penguindrum (Anime)|Mawaru Penguindrum]]''. They do love their daughter Ringo, but {{spoiler|the death of their eldest daughter Momoka in a strange incident completely trashed the family dynamics, since Satoshi insisted that they should move on and Eriko couldn't let go.}} Now they're divorced and the teenaged Ringo lives with Eriko, while Satoshi takes her out in periodic outings. {{spoiler|But Satoshi neglects to tell Ringo [[Parent Withwith New Paramour|that he is dating again]]...[[Unwitting Instigator of Doom|which unintentionally]] makes Ringo despair and speed up her "Project M", causing the infamous [[Attempted Rape]] incident of episode 8 and all that came up next.}}
* Mariko Shinobu's parents in ''[[Oniisama Ee...]]''. They're not bad persons per se, but they have ''very'' serious issues, which really don't contribute to [[Broken Bird|Mariko's]] convoluted emotional state.
* Ed and Al's dad in ''[[Fullmetal Alchemist]]'' is a [[Disappeared Dad]] for most of their lives, but when he lived with them while their mother was alive, he's implied to have been this trope - spending most of his time holed up in his study working on his alchemy researches.
* Yuuki Sabai and his wife Ringo in ''[[To Love LOVE-Ru]]''. It's an extraordinary gift on Lala's part to basically '''kidnap''' these two from their work so they can spend Christmas with their teenage son and preteen daughter. Rito and Mikan see far more of their dad than their world-traveling mother, but generally have to visit his workplace to do so. Nonetheless, they're both quite fond of their children on those occasions that they '''do''' see them.
 
 
== [[Comic Books]] ==
* In the ''[[Blue Devil]]'' comics, Kid Devil aka Eddie Bloomberg's parents were this to him, with his aunt Marla Bloom being the alternative parent and Blue Devil being a kind of surrogate uncle. His parents' neglect ended up having some effects on Eddie later in life when he joined the Teen Titans, making him very desperate to have a family.
* [[General Ross]] has been presented chiefly as this sort of parent since the mid-80s in ''[[Incredible Hulk (Comic Book)|Hulk]]'' comics (as he is in the films, below). He loves Betty, but he's not equipped to get emotionally close to her, particularly not since the death of his wife, and his obsessions have often gotten between them. He's trying to reconnect with her these days, but it's not proving easy.
** It's shown to be generational, as Ross's own father was a career officer who was rarely around.
 
 
== Fan FictionWorks ==
* In the ''[[Katawa Shoujo]]'' fic [http://ks.renai.us/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=5361 Weekend at Hisao's], Shizune's father and Hisao's parents are seen in this light. Shizune is frustrated with her father's persistent attempts to get her to speak (in the fic, it's indicated that she can speak but sounds terrible), but sees that he wants her to succeed and appreciates that he doesn't treat her any differently from her non-disabled brother. Hisao says he didn't like his parents' frequent absences from his life due to working, but realizes that they worked so hard so that he could grow up in a nice house that they never had in their childhoods, and were willing to sell that house if it was necessary to cure his condition.
 
 
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* ''[[Juno]]'' uses this Trope to a degree. The title character's parents are divorced, leaving her with her Dad, step-mom, and half-sister. [[Missing Mom|She hasn't seen her mom in years, only communicating through letters,]] and her Dad and stepmom don't exactly react too horrified or shocked when they hear she's pregnant, aside from Dad proclaiming an intent to [[Groin Attack|punch the boy who did it in the balls.]] At the same time, Juno's stepmom sticks up for her in the doctor's office when a nurse makes a passing insult, and when she's feeling doubtful about a potentially serious relationship, her Dad is there to offer some good advice (albeit admitting that as a divorcee, he isn't the best person to give it).
** Her parents' lack of reaction could also be interpreted as them staying calm for her sake, as the last thing a pregnant teen needs is for her parents to freak out when she tells them.
* [[Coraline (Filmanimation)|Coraline]]'s parents are too busy trying to move into a new house and meet a publishing deadline to cater to their bored daughter - as her mother points out, she is old enough to entertain herself. [[Be Careful What You Wish For|What she finds when she goes exploring]] is more than enough to make her appreciate her lovingly boring parents. The book has a similar vibe, but Coraline's mother is harsh and unsympathetic, while her father is loving, but too distracted to pay much attention.
* The reason Cobb in ''[[Inception]]'' took Saito's job was so he could return to America to see his children. {{spoiler|Mal}} was like this too, but after {{spoiler|being unable to tell reality from dreaming, she committed suicide, believing herself in a dream, so she could be with her children again, not realizing she was already in the real world. Or was she?}}
* In the stupid Mexican kids' movie ''Santa Claus'', presented as a Christmas episode of [[MST3KMystery Science Theater 3000]], one of the children Santa visits is a little boy whose socialite parents literally needed Santa to drug them in order for them to remember that they have a kid.
* General Ross from ''[[The Incredible Hulk (Filmfilm)|The Incredible Hulk]]'' has a few moments where he seems to care about his daughter Betty but most of his life and time is devoted to capturing the Hulk. In fact, in his determination to subdue the Hulk, his actions nearly got Betty killed at one point. Psychiatrist Dr Samson points out to him how he was lying when he said Betty's safety was his main concern.
{{quote| '''Dr Samson''': "I never knew why she never talked about you...I do now."}}
** They had this problem in the earlier ''[[Hulk (Filmfilm)|Hulk]]'' film as well. General Ross wanted to be a part of Betty's life but couldn't because of his work. He also disapproved of her relationship with Bruce, but only because he knew about Bruce's abusive parents and wanted to keep her safe. By the end of the film, Betty's house, phone, and computer are being monitored in case Bruce ever attempts to contact her, but the two of them make an effort to stay on good terms.
 
 
== Literature ==
* This trope probably originated with modern teenage literature, which often features family breakdowns and relationships. In order to really understand the plot, readers needed to understand the parents. However, since these families are "officially" rather than "accidentally" [[Dysfunctional Family|dysfunctional]], this is arguably a [[Justified Trope]].
** [[Jacqueline Wilson]] is diligent in depicting her [[Parents Asas People]]. Often likable, these characters don't fall into stereotypes...but the reader still wouldn't want to be related to them. In ''The Illustrated Mum,'' Marigold, a manic-depressive single mother, ''adores'' her two children, but feeds them cake rather than cooking them a proper dinner. In ''The Suitcase Kid,'' Andy's divorced parents marry new partners who already have families of their own. Her parents are so involved with their new lives that they don't realize they're using Andy as a pawn to "get back" at each other. In ''The Diamond Girls'', the heroine and her sisters have lived in continual disorder all their lives, with their mother frequently changing boyfriends and moving her family to new homes. ''Amber'', an early novel, was about a girl who rebels against her traveller mother and struggles to live a normal life.
* [[Judy Blume]] uses the trope as well.
** In ''[[Are You There, God? Its Me Margaret (Literature)|Are You There God ItsIt's Me, Margaret.]]'', the religious issues affecting Margaret affect her parents too -- hertoo—her mother was raised Christian, her dad raised Jewish. They're good parents for most of the book, until Margaret's maternal grandparents show up...whereupon they cancel Margaret's holiday in order to meet them, only to spend the entire visit using her to placate or annoy her grandparents.
** Another one from [[Judy Blume]] is ''Tiger Eyes'', about a teenaged girl named Davey whose father, a convenience store clerk, was shot during a robbery and, it is eventually revealed, died in her arms. Davey's mother turns into pretty much a space cadet for most of the novel, unable to function, and transplants Davey and her brother Jason to the opposite side of the country. The three live for most of the story with the dad's sister and her husband, who ''try'' to act as substitute parents for the kids, but do so in the most ham-fisted manner possible.
** There's also the stories about Peter Hatcher (the ''[[Fudge (Literature)|Fudge]]'' series). His parents are nice, but often butt heads with their sons over various things (moving temporarily to Princeton, having a third child, etc).
* ''A Patch of Blue'' has the mother and grandfather of the blind protagonist Selina: Rosanne, the villain, and Ole Pa, [[Adults Are Useless|a sympathetic failure of a man]], respectively. They both work most of the day in bathrooms, and Rosanne moonlights as a prostitute. Ole Pa is a stone-dead-drunk most of the time, but tends to be more humane to Selina, whereas Rosanne frequently beats her.
* This is key to the mystery of ''[[The Curious Incident of the Dog Inin Thethe Night -Time]]'' - it turns out that being an adult does not automatically make you capable of coping with an autistic son. Nor does it make you capable of facing up to that in a mature and constructive way.
* [[Jodi Picoult]]'s parents are often good parents to one child with exceptional needs, but pretty terrible parents to all of their other children. The story will detail the parent's private and legal struggles on the behalf of their child, while the rest of the family falls apart due to neglect. A classic case is in ''Handle With Care,'' where the mother sacrifices her best friend, her husband and her oldest daughter supposedly on behalf of her youngest daughter, only to realize that the real issue was not her invalid daughter, but ''herself.''
* Jon and Thayet are [[Royals Who Actually Do Something]] in the [[Tortall Universe]] books, but according to [[Word of God]], being king usually takes precedence over being a daddy in Jon's book (he blackmailed his daughter out of becoming a knight in case that endangered her marriage prospects), and Thayet is often busy with the Queen's Riders military group.
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* [[Diana Wynne Jones]], as noted below, wrote her nearest thing to an autobiographical novel and called it ''The Time of the Ghost;'' it is about this sort of family. The father is a towering professor known to his children as Himself, who runs a boys' school, where the lead and her three sisters live, and the mother spends all her time keeping the school in order, and all four girls are really ''shockingly'' neglected. Getting food regularly involves raiding the school kitchens and doing their bet to get away with it. Both parents, however, despite fairly limited page time due to their disinterest in their children, are highly realized characters with internal lives of whose shape we get a sense.
* ''[[Dresden Files]]'': Maggie LeFay, having the best intentions, skirted the bounds between white and black magic, falling in with what one might call "the wrong crowd", one of whom {{spoiler|murders her in childbirth}}. Her son inherits one hell of a legacy.
* In the novel version of ''[[The Secret Garden]]'', while Mary parents are of the more classical neglectful variety, the father of Colin is a bit more present, but due to not having processed the [[Death by Childbirth]] of his wife he finds difficult to connect with his son, and passes his own health anxieties on the poor kid to the point that Colin, at ten, hasn't learned to walk yet and believes he is going to die any day now.
 
* The Bennets couple in ''[[Pride and Prejudice]]'':
** Mrs. Bennet is unambiguously a shallow airhead who loads her daughters down with bad advice; but when Lizzy tries to call her out on her single-minded matchmaking, she delivers a riposte that reveals her very real fear that she and her daughters will be utterly destitute if they do not marry well.
** Mr. Bennet copes with his ill-matched marriage by finding refuge in his books and sarcasm. He is indifferent to the fact that this exposes his wife to the ridicule of their children, and their family to the ridicule of the world. By the end of the novel, though, he accepts responsibility for his daughter's mistakes and, furthermore, takes measures to instill some sense in his two unmarried daughters.
 
== Live-Action TV ==
* ''[[Supernatural]]'': John Winchester is a good-hearted man who had something awful happen to his family, but no matter how much he tries or how much he loves his sons, he's just incapable of being a good father. Before he dies, he gives Dean an extra-horrible order to kill Sam if he can't save him, treats Sam like a child and Dean like a blunt weapon, and an awful lot of their issues that are still going on today can solely lay the blame at his feet.
* In general terms, this is a popular trope in drama series like ''[[The Bill]]'' or ''Holby City'' when the children of characters in high-pressure or high profile jobs (such as doctors, teachers, political figures or rescue services) are involved. Often the child will have a scene where they berate their parent for being a hero to everyone else ''but'' their child (i.e. a successful doctor who's never home because she refuses to abandon her patients, or a teacher who goes the extra mile for her pupils while completely forgetting her own son's graduation).
* Any parent on ''[[Shameless]]''.
 
== [[Video Games]] ==
* Despite the [[Heartwarming Moment]] at the end of the first game, poor Ashley Robbins suffered this between the first and second [[Trace Memory|Another Code]] games. While it's forgivable in that Richard still had a ton of issues to sort out after coming back into his daughter's life and his social skills probably atrophied during ten years of self-imposed isolation, the two flubbed the initial bonding effort and had to work through another game to patch things up.
* Parents in ''[[The Sims]]'' do very little to raise their children. Babies and toddlers will need constant attention, but older children only really need homework help and food cooked for them and teenagers can live in total independence.
* A few cases in ''[[World of Warcraft]]''.
** Magni Bronzebeard was quite disappointed that he was unable to get a male heir, leading to some distance between him and Moira. Anduin has great respect for Magni, but notes that it was partly his fault that Moira turned out the way she did, joining the Dark Irons out of love for their emperor, Dagran Thaurissan.
** Varian Wrynn toward his son, Anduin. Varian's Lo'gosh side and his more warlike ways cause a rift between him and his pacifistic son Anduin, leading him to send Anduin to stay in Ironforge while he works through his issues. Later on, Anduin goes to study under Velen, rather than Archbishop Benedictus as Varian suggests, but Benedictus brings the two together to help them reconcile. Varian openly admits on a few occasions that he is a less than perfect father.
* In ''[[Undertale]]'' it's implied that Toriel were once a very good mother. However, when we meet her, it's many years after the death of her children, an event Toriel has coped to by trying to adopt and [[My Beloved Smother|smother]] every human child she comes in contact with, whenever the kid wants it or not. When the player character decides to advance the plot and leave her home, she reacts by entering in battle with them, in a strange trial to see if the player can survive in the rest of the underworld.
 
== Webcomics ==
* Arguably occurs in ''[[Friendly Hostility]].'' Padma and Nefertari Maharassa are still besotted with each other, and they aren't conventional parents -- especiallyparents—especially since "conventional parents" generally don't have a pet Satanist (Rafi) occupying the spare room. They're not ''bad'' parents though; the Maharassa kids have a interesting/fun childhood, it's just prone to some... drama. Such as the parents leaving Rafi to babysit only to find he'd lost their daughter to cannibals. Fatima, their oldest child, has a strange love-hate relationship with her family, but then again she's an extremely cynical [[Deadpan Snarker]]. Their younger son, Fox, just adores them. Padma and Nefertari are always there for their now grown-up children, but they're still prone to some rather eccentric behaviour.
** In comparison to Collin's ultra-conventional, narrow minded family, however, the Maharassas are model parents. "Different is good" is a bit of a mantra for this webcomic.
 
 
== Web Originals ==
* We don't see them, but [[The Nostalgia Critic (Web Video)|The Nostalgia Critic]]'s parents. Abusive, scary, implied to have expected way too much of him and apparently raised him as a girl for a short time, but took him out for a meal when he got an A- and his mum sorted things out when he was getting bullied as a child. That last bit more than likely induced [[Stockholm Syndrome]], as he's still living with her and calls her his world.
 
 
== Western Animation ==
* Timmy Turner's parents, in ''[[The Fairly Odd ParentsOddParents]]'', exemplify this trope. They're silly, affectionate, devoted to each other...and leave Timmy in the care of a psychotic babysitter while they're off pursuing their hobby-of-the-week. They do make earnest attempts at being good parents (and are always quick to declare [[You Are Grounded]]), but the fact is that Wanda provides the more traditional "motherly" role.
** The Turners really are this to a T; in the pilot, they were unaware it was possible to hire someone to look after your children and were just sickeningly devoted to giving Timmy all their attention.
* Ray Rocket, Reggie and Otto's dad in ''[[Rocket Power]]'', is a "cool" dad with one foot firmly in the [[Competence Zone]]...so he falls victim to this trope occasionally. One examples is in ''Race Across New Zealand,'' where he lets his own macho pride turn into [[Parental Favoritism]], to Reggie's dismay.
* Arnold, from ''[[Hey Arnold!]]'', is the "old before his time" result of this trope, despite living with his grandparents rather than his parents. His grandma and grandpa are of the loving-but-eccentric variety, (though his grandpa can step up to the plate pretty well when called upon) which means Arnold spends a lot of time alone or with his friends.
** In sharp contrast to Arnold's absent-minded but loving family set-up, Helga lives in the purely dysfunctional version of a family whose parents have both personalities ''and'' serious issues. If anything, the extensive characterization given to her parents, particularly her disillusioned and possibly-alcoholic mother, make her and her sister's situation seem even more tragic: Helga is cynical, bitchy, [[Tsundere]] and disenchanted because they pay so little attention to her, whereas Olga is a deluded [[Shrinking Violet]] and [[Stepford Smiler]] because they give her too ''much'' attention.
* The parents of the characters on ''[[South Park]]'', especially Mr. and Mrs. Marsh, have received a surprising amount of development, even to the point of directly impacting the episodes' plots. Similarly, Kyle's mom Sheila often ends up causing more problems than she solves, both for her son and the town in general, when she starts off on one of her social crusades.
** She's a [[Jewish Mother]], what do you expect?
* Ron's parents in ''[[Kim Possible]]'' could be said to fit this trope. His parents -- particularlyparents—particularly his dad -- aredad—are relatively pleasant people, but show little interest in their son. They barely even include him in decisions they make which affect his life, such as moving to Norway in [[The Movie]] or adopting a second child. The fourth season did, however, see them become a little more involved in his life, such as the episode in which Mr. Stoppable, who is an actuary, helped bring down a villain whose power was his ability to do math.
** Averted in the same show by Kim's parents. Her mother is a brain surgeon and her father is a rocket scientist, so it's pretty understandable that they have a lot going on in their lives. Even so, they are genuinely affectionate parents who take great pride in their children and involve themselves in their lives as much as they can.
*** They take Kim's heroics pretty well in stride (admonishing her to be home by dinner when she's stepping out to thwart Dr. Dementor, that sort of thing). They even get in on the day-saving occasionally. Kim's father actually manages to essentially take down Dr. Drakken by ''humiliating him.'' It turns out, much to everyone's surprise, that Kim's archnemesis used to be her father's college roommate. The blue skin is new, but, yup, that's Drew Lipski all right.
* Both ''[[Daria]]'' and Jane's parents are portrayed as people who have good hearts but whose self interests and issues, be they with work, emotional needs, or personal concerns tend to vastly overshadow their interest in their own children. Daria's mom Helen is a huge [[Workaholic]], her dad Jake is a clownish [[Adult Child]], and Jane's parents Vincent and Amanda... [[Hands -Off Parenting|well...]]
** In defense of the Lanes (or at least, Amanda), the rest of the family (including Vincent) is scattered far and wide across the globe, and only returns home on rare occasions for visits, which are kept short because they can't stand one another; that she sticks around to provide ''some'' kind of home for her kids is impressive all on its own, even if that home isn't really a stellar one. And at least she loves her children even if she's shitty at raising them.
* The ''[[Rugrats]]'' parents were funny and developed, and their subplots were an important part of what made the show entertaining for adults as well as kids. However, the entire premise of the show relies on them being completely oblivious to their toddlers wandering off on dangerous adventures.
* Professor Membrane on ''[[Invader Zim]]'' is a generally-affable and utterly brilliant [[Bunny Ears Lawyer|Bunny Ears Scientist]] who is entirely too wrapped up in [[Daddy Had a Good Reason For Abandoning You|fixing every problem in the world]] to pay much attention to his children. His relationship with his son Dib is particularly strained because Dib won't get involved in "REAL Science" (he's an eleven-year-old paranormal investigator), while his daughter Gaz's desire to spend time with him is arguably the ''only'' time in the series she shows a desire to be around ''anybody.''
* Jack and Maddie on ''[[Danny Phantom]]'' are sometimes more obsessed with their latest ghost-hunting activities to pay attention to their children--likechildren—like, for example, to notice their son is ''the half-ghost kid they're hunting.'' Their older daughter Jasmine actually [[Lampshade Hanging|Lampshades]] this, though her diagnosis is a bit of an exaggeration---when not distracted they can show plenty of interest in their kids, often to the point of clinginess.
* Harold and Honey Buttowski from ''[[Kick Buttowski]]''.
* Doctor Doofensmirtz, resident [[Mad Scientist]] from [[Phineas and Ferb]] would probably fit into this trope. After having a [[Hilariously Abusive Childhood]], he's ''very'' dedicated to being a wonderful dad to his daughter Vanessa...except he isn't very good at it. When he isn't making the usual 'embarrassing parent' mistakes, conflicts result from the fact that he's sometimes too obsessed with his job of causing evil to care for his daughter. However, he's still over-all presented as being one of the [[Good Parents]].
{{quote| '''Vanessa''': I can't believe you brought work with you!<br />
'''Dr. Doof''': What do you mean?<br />
'''Vanessa''': Dad, you've got some guy tied up here. <br />
'''Dr. Doof''': No, Vanessa. ''We've'' got some guy tied up here. }}
 
 
== [[Video Games]] ==
* Despite the [[Heartwarming Moment]] at the end of the first game, poor Ashley Robbins suffered this between the first and second [[Trace Memory|Another Code]] games. While it's forgivable in that Richard still had a ton of issues to sort out after coming back into his daughter's life and his social skills probably atrophied during ten years of self-imposed isolation, the two flubbed the initial bonding effort and had to work through another game to patch things up.
* Parents in [[The Sims]] do very little to raise their children. Babies and toddlers will need constant attention, but older children only really need homework help and food cooked for them and teenagers can live in total independence.
* A few cases in [[World of Warcraft]].
** Magni Bronzebeard was quite disappointed that he was unable to get a male heir, leading to some distance between him and Moira. Anduin has great respect for Magni, but notes that it was partly his fault that Moira turned out the way she did, joining the Dark Irons out of love for their emperor, Dagran Thaurissan.
** Varian Wrynn toward his son, Anduin. Varian's Lo'gosh side and his more warlike ways cause a rift between him and his pacifistic son Anduin, leading him to send Anduin to stay in Ironforge while he works through his issues. Later on, Anduin goes to study under Velen, rather than Archbishop Benedictus as Varian suggests, but Benedictus brings the two together to help them reconcile. Varian openly admits on a few occasions that he is a less than perfect father.
 
 
== Real Life ==
* Many children of successful professionals and academics are familiar with this trope.
* Diana Wynne Jones' childhood, as she tells it, [https://web.archive.org/web/20120522071720/http://www.leemac.freeserve.co.uk/autobiog.htm was this to a T].
** She put this to a direct use in ''The Time of the Ghost,'' a rather good novel in which the main character is a ghost and which happens to be her nearest thing to an autobiographical work.
* Austrian Empress [[Maria Theresa]] is described as such by history, media and [[The Other Wiki]]. She ''was'' affectionate to them (showing some favoritism towards her fifth child Maria Christina, both for being born in Maria Theresa's 25th birthday ''and'' for [[The Ojou|being classy, talented and cute]]), but also used them as pawns via [[Arranged Marriage|Arranged Marriages]]s like pretty much every Habsburg and non-Habsburg monarch; she wrote to them frequently to keep close contact with each son or daughter, while not being above of trying to use her motherly authority to influence their lives. And you know how... ''[[Sarcasm Mode|well]]'' that worked [[Marie Antoinette|in a certain case.]]
 
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