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== Elizabeth, Theo, and Margaret are angels under the employment of Philemon/Igor. ==

 

== Anime of Persona 3 ==

 

== Junpei is now effectively immortal. ==

* Alternatively it transferred all the drugs in Chidori's system to him, meaning he dies young.

** Unlikely, given that there was no discernable way for any chemicals to be transferred between them.

*** Junpei losses blood before that scene, Junpei has no blood lose after the scene. Simple enough for you?

**** How much of the drug do you think Chidori could have had in her system at one time? Even if she did somehow teleport her blood into Junpei, the effect of the drug would be negligable, since there couldn't have been even a full single dose.

 

== Junpei is now Wolverine. ==

 

== Jin's briefcase is an audio transceiver connected to the surveillance system in the dorms, where Ikutsuki gave them information on SEES operations. ==

 

== The MC is a descendant of [[Raidou Kuzunoha vs. the Soulless Army|Raidou Kuzunoha.]] ==

 

== Erebus is giving the heroes a sex display at the final battle in The Answer. ==

** In order to justify this, this prediction goes on to say that the male MC will have "Friendship" max Tarot events and just one "Romantic" Tarot event as well; like in ''[[Persona 4]]''.

* This troper wonders... would it be too much to ask from Atlus to let you choose your sexuality? Besides, the [[Double Standard]] stands less if it is a Casanova Girl going for other girls. Kinda makes me wonder how would it look if the male lead goes after all the boys...

** Junpei's out of the running thanks to Chidori (and let's just hope [[Shotacon|Ken]]'s not an option), but Akihiko seems to be available. And if anybody needs to be dragged out on a date, [[Shrinking Violet|it's him]]...

*** She can still goad him out of loving Chidori and he is fair game once Chidori buys the farm regardless.

== The Main Character isn't the Reincarnation of Orpheus/Jesus; their sibling is. ==

Bear with me, it turns out that the Male MC and Female MC ''are'' twin siblings; but that in their individual [[Alternate Continuity]], the other died in the same car crash that killed their parents. But they developed [[Wonder Twin Powers]] after death; so the MC is able to channel their dead counterpart; who gets a [[Gender Flip]]. This is also why Nyx is able to "infect" the MC, they are connected to death through their other.

* Oh oh, wait, actually this makes a lot of sense... See, even if you play as the female MC it always seemed off that Pharos and Ryoji are still there since they were originally almost projections of the male MC's humanity onto death....but if the female MC is linked to death through her twin brother, then Pharos and Ryoji still being there makes sense! Although, that would mean that the male MC is responsible in both alternate universes for embodying death, which means he's stronger? Oh, but that would make for some odd conclusions you could draw seeing as Royji is one of the love options in the remake... I'm going to stop before my brain wanders somewhere I don't want it to be.

* The channeling part happens in Trinity Soul with Jun and Yuki.

 

The attacker was knocked over from the recoil, while Fuuka and Lucia were apparently unharmed. Lucia doesn't have any reflect or resist abilities, and has generally bad stats. How else could it take a hit like that?

 

== In P3P, maxing the Hierophant Social Link will {{spoiler|save Shinjiro}} ==

If you look at the trailers, you'll see Shinjiro in areas you cannot access with him in the original. What does this mean? {{spoiler|Plus, Shinjiro's death was such an [[Ass Pull]].}}

* Jossed {{spoiler|Shinjiro / Moon saves him}}.

** Wait, are you sure Ken's link is romantic? I'm also not sure how Shinjiro would fit for the Moon link (though I'm not sure how he fits for Heirophant, either.)

*** Er, no, I didn't meant to say Ken's SL is romantic. Shouldn't have said "date", alright. As for the Arcanas, well, that's always up to interpretations. Be your own guest for that.

*** Also consider that the Moon represents illusion. How does Shinjiro behave during his time with SEES? He tries to keep a distance by behaving [[Jerkass|harshly]]. A good portion of his Social Link is showing that he's [[Jerkass Facade|not really a jerk at all]].

 

== Chidori was trying to commit "suicide by SEES" ==

 

== The male protagonist is still in the female route. ==

 

== Raidou Kuzunoha is the ancestor of Arisato Minato (The Main Character) and Naoto Shirogane from P4 ==

She's a Persona-user, and she can certainly hold her own in a fight, as the [[Bonus Boss]] battle against her suggests. Besides, where else would she get the PHENOMENAL amount of money she has from? She obviously gets it from Tartarus just like the MC does.

 

[http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8523/15b00927a0c740ad4ff6ec8.jpg All the proof you need.]

 

 

== Personae are psychological trauma physically manifested ==

 

Though, Misturu and Yukari's cases are different, however somewhat related to Takaya and company's. Both their fathers were involved with the Group in some manner -- Mitsuru's being the son of the head (later the head of the company), and Yukari's being one of the scientists involved with the original project with the Shadows. It isn't much of a stretch to assume the both of them were guinea pigs as well.

 

== Elizabeth/Margaret/Teo were created by Nyarlathotep ==

* Well, from what I've seen of Persona 2, being a [[Spoiler Hound]] and all, Philemon has golden eyes too, as evidenced when Tatsuya punches him in the face.

 

 

 

== Akihiko's great grandfather is really Baldren Gassenarl from [[Valkyria Chronicles|Valkyria Chronicles 2]]. ==

* LOL Maybe. Though I do believe that Akihiko was at most not full-Japanese as stated (at most he CAN be part European). Either that, or he bleached his hair (Official character design sports darker roots) or even the theory of hair color change due to trauma (though it's more on a contributing factor along with genetics but a dude who got it as early as 15 getting premature gray hair's pretty odd indeed.) [[Disease Bleach]] is ruled out (because he IS an athletic guy, after all) and Albinism is also ruled out because of his skin color. Then again, this is the game that has a lot of characters with wacky hair colors (MC, Fuuka, Jin, Chidori, Mitsuru), and they do follow the idea of [[You Gotta Have Blue Hair]].

 

Male!MC's name, in this universe, would be Naoto.

 

 

Through their connection, she seizes an opportunity and pulls a [[Grand Theft Me]] on the male!MC's body, effectively switching their places to make him the Seal. Though still quite female, she has to keep up the charade of being a boy, and finds herself more comfortable passing off as one than she'd have imagined. Unfortunately, her body starts to catch up with the change and...adjusts itself accordingly, in exactly the awkward fashion one would imagine. Perhaps, in this time, Naoto's legal guardians pass away and she moves in with her estranged grandfather before formally starting school in Inaba, leaving no one but the hospital back in Tatsumi Port to know the truth of her original gender.

...what, this troper [[Suspiciously Specific Denial|isn't long-winded or theatrical at all]], absolutely not.

 

The scenario serves as a Persona 4-like environment for the four Children to confront their personal demons in an idealized representation of the normal world. It all takes place post-instrumentality, in a collective dream shared by humanity in the form of LCL. In it, the line between humans (descended from the tree of knowledge) and Angels (descended from the tree of power) is blurred, leading to the formation of magical/supernatural creatures as a blend of the two.

 

The demons in the first two games are the purest examples of this. Characters summoning personae (by controlling their ATV fields, much like Gendo did after swallowing Adam) are due to the Angel's power taking the form of humanity. They serve to, like the Evangelion, externalize the characters' psyches to for combat purposes, just without a big clunky robot to channel them. Being a dream world, they can manifest all on their own.

 

 

The concept of 'shadows' as enemies translates perfectly – they are literally manifestations what individuals keep repressed. Throughout both series there is also recurrent mask symbolism. The Evangelion have distorted tribal masks for faces. Lillith is masked, as are many of the lesser angels. Fittingly, most of the characters' personae have masks, although it was much more obvious in Persona 2...

* Rei is Aigis who, as a robot, can no longer experience pain or death.

* Kaworu is hybrid caught between his monstrous Angel nature and human origin, as Ryoji is between shadows/humanity. Both are the final envoys of the female!Cthulu big bad (Lillith/Nyx), and form creepy parasitic relationships with the main characters. The second time around, however, he is crucially not killed.

* Yui, having realized that all efforts to outfight the Angels were futile, implemented a masterful [[My Death Is Just the Beginning|plan from beyond the grave]] to bind herself to Evangelion Unit One/Lillith and become the catalyst for the new world, so that humanity/Shinji/her ambiguous morality may survive. However, doing so stripped her of her sanity, and she became Nyx - an id composed of misplaced maternal affection and destruction, eternally attempting to fulfill her original [[Plan]] of destroying the world as it becomes steeped in despair.

* Shinji himself is a little tough. Probably the MC, but may have some relationship to Shinjiro. They're both whiny reclusive bitches who are unusually sensitive to the super-aura-field-thing, have no self worth, and are suicidal as a result. Also, Ken's relationship to Shinjiro somewhat mirrors Shinji's issues with his dad, and they both have clingy [[White-Haired Pretty Boy]] friends.

 

 

== The [[Updated Rerelease|Updated Rereleases]] are all part of Elizabeth and Theodore's [[Plan]]. ==

He faked his own death in FES just to see his friends squirm. That stone MC at the end? A cardboard cutout. He also decided to sic Eberus on S.E.E.S. because he could.

 

 

After Aigis defeated Erebus at the end of ''FES'', Elizabeth eventually managed to find a way to free the ''Persona 3'' protagonist from the Great Seal while still keeping Nyx sealed away, but it was only a matter of time before Erebus would reanimate and find a way to contact Nyx. Erebus finally succeeded on October 23, 2077, with Nyx bringing about the Fall by way of the Great War.

Humanity obviously managed to survive, however, and over two hundred years after the Fall, a descendant of Minato/Minako Arisato found him/herself in a grave in the Mojave Wasteland with a grievous bullet wound to the head. The Arisato bloodline would have ended with him/her had Victor and Doc Mitchell not rescued him/her.

 

 

Also, [[Yuri Lowenthal]] and [[Laura Bailey]] play the main protagonists in both ''Persona 3'' and ''New Vegas''. Had to sneak the customary [[Actor Allusion]] in there somehow.

This one unsettles me. Essentially, the idea goes that everyone in the game remarks how human Aigis is when you first meet her. Ikutsuki also mentions the whole idea behind making an anti-shadow weapon with a personae: the being in question has to see themselves as human. The Kirijo Group didn't build these things from scratch. Other evidence is from Strega being kidnapped off the street and experimented on. Who's to say that the experiments on the other kidnapped people also didn't involve converting regular people into subservient shadow weapons with personae?

 

 

The connection for Aigis being his daughter is how strangely close Ikutsuki keeps her ingame. He already has the SEES fooled, but Aigis and him are a different story. Almost all scenes between Aigis and Ikutsuki seem to have him being a doting father figure type character, which, in my mind, is a crack in the mask he puts up for SEES. There's a certain kind of fatherly tone with how he talks to Aigis, which may be the only way he knows how to talk to her.

However, his academics did not improve.

 

 

 

== Nyarlathotep was involved somehow in the creation of the Dark Hour and Tartarus ==

 

When Takeharu Kirijo mentions that his father in his later years had only nihilism in his heart, it reminded me of Kandori from Persona 1...and he was being controlled to a degree by Nyarlathotep. After the events of P2, Nyarlathotep and Philemon were both weakened (at least Nyarlathotep was, no idea what happened in Philemon) and thus cannot involve themselves in the world as they did in P1 and P2. But, the accident took place in 1999, the same year as Eternal Punishment. Shadows are dark human thoughts given form...and Nyarlathotep is the incarnation of humanity's evil. Perhaps before the end of Eternal Punishment where he is defeated by Tatsuya and the gang, he directly controlled Koetsu Kirijo from the beginning to gather Shadows to thus bring forth Death, Tartarus and the Dark Hour. The world would have probably ended in 1999 if it weren't for Yukari's dad interrupting the experiment. Nyarlathotep then failed to destroy the world in P2 as he didn't manage to have Jun, Eikichi or Lisa remember the events of Innocent Sin and thus had to wait 10 years...then, he influenced Ikutsuki somehow - or maybe influenced him from the beginning - to have S.E.E.S destroy the Full Moon shadows and bring forth The Fall, and win the contest between him and Philemon once and for all. Note that the Fall is caused by Erebus coming into contact with Nyx...and Erebus seems to be born from the evil of humanity much like Nyarlathotep. They do not seem to be the same being, but perhaps are linked...

 

 

 

The protagonist possibly made a short visit to Tatsumi Port Island from a place far away (School trip, possibly) and had experienced his first glimpse of the Dark Hour then (that is why when they returned in the start of the game, they were no longer surprised as they were already used to it.)He also stumbles onto the moment where Shinjiro cannot control his Persona and created a ruckus around the area leading to the death of Ken's mother.

Look at it this way:

 

 

== Philemon created the Female Protagonist route with some great intent in mind. ==

== The skill "Thug's Punch" is wind-based. ==

Now, what element was Junpei weak against?

 

== "Burn My Dread-Last Battle" is S.E.E.S' [[Badass Boast]] to [[Persona 4|the Investigation Team]] ==

 

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