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== Elizabeth, Theo, and Margaret are angels under the employment of Philemon/Igor. ==

Margaret has described herself multiple times as "One who rules over power," and Theodore describes himself similarly at the start of his [[Bonus Boss]] fight. The description of "Power", the persona, states that Powers, the order of angels, are academically driven and are concerned with ideology, philosophy, theology, religion, and documents, explaining their fascination with the real world and the reason they seek the old documents from Tartarus. It is also said they serve as advisers and policy planners and have the duty of overseeing the distribution of power among humankind, so the "One who rules over power" is practically a dead on giveaway.

== Anime of Persona 3 ==

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== Junpei is now effectively immortal. ==

Junpei, imbued with Chidori's life-restoration energy, will not age, or at least will have a very much extended lifespan as that power continually renews his body. Since that power was independent of Chidori's Persona, Junpei will continue to be affected by it even if he stops using or loses access to his own.

* Alternatively it transferred all the drugs in Chidori's system to him, meaning he dies young.

** Unlikely, given that there was no discernable way for any chemicals to be transferred between them.

*** Junpei losses blood before that scene, Junpei has no blood lose after the scene. Simple enough for you?

**** How much of the drug do you think Chidori could have had in her system at one time? Even if she did somehow teleport her blood into Junpei, the effect of the drug would be negligable, since there couldn't have been even a full single dose.

* I actually highly doubt that Junpei would be made immortal, as Chidori's power of "life" seems to be used in a sense that it keeps things healthy. Also, it's somewhat implied that Chidori (along with the other Strega members) received her persona powers when she was a child, but she has aged since then and she seems to be around the same age as the others, so I don't think eternal youth works either.

== Junpei is now Wolverine. ==

Chidori's energy will grant him his healing factor. he will grow bitchin' sideburns soon after graduation and move to Canada.

== Jin's briefcase is an audio transceiver connected to the surveillance system in the dorms, where Ikutsuki gave them information on SEES operations. ==

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** In order to justify this, this prediction goes on to say that the male MC will have "Friendship" max Tarot events and just one "Romantic" Tarot event as well; like in ''[[Persona 4]]''.

* This troper wonders... would it be too much to ask from Atlus to let you choose your sexuality? Besides, the [[Double Standard]] stands less if it is a Casanova Girl going for other girls. Kinda makes me wonder how would it look if the male lead goes after all the boys...

* She has plenty of options, the foreign exchange student, the head of the art/music club, Kenji and the track rival. Of course, there won't be any members in her party she can sleep with.

** Junpei's out of the running thanks to Chidori (and let's just hope [[Shotacon|Ken]]'s not an option), but Akihiko seems to be available. And if anybody needs to be dragged out on a date, [[Shrinking Violet|it's him]]...

*** She can still goad him out of loving Chidori and he is fair game once Chidori buys the farm regardless.

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** Wait, are you sure Ken's link is romantic? I'm also not sure how Shinjiro would fit for the Moon link (though I'm not sure how he fits for Heirophant, either.)

*** Er, no, I didn't meant to say Ken's SL is romantic. Shouldn't have said "date", alright. As for the Arcanas, well, that's always up to interpretations. Be your own guest for that.

*** Confirmed that Shinjiro does survive from maxing his S.Link before 10/4. Comatose, yes, but he does wake up in March. Moon does fit the theme of his S.Link by the way, albeit differently from the two we're familiar with (Nozomi and Ai). Moon is associated with dreams, fears, insight, and inner conflict. Aside from the first (only through saving him it would make sense), they do fit his character and situation in the plot. Better yet, it explains the complications he has with the heroine if you take it he had some feelings for her romantic sense.

*** Also consider that the Moon represents illusion. How does Shinjiro behave during his time with SEES? He tries to keep a distance by behaving [[Jerkass|harshly]]. A good portion of his Social Link is showing that he's [[Jerkass Facade|not really a jerk at all]].

*** Ken's S.Link is optionally romantic. The FeMC is aware of what it looks like, which is why she needs Max courage.

== Chidori was trying to commit "suicide by SEES" ==

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== The male protagonist is still in the female route. ==

He's a dormant presence within her, and still exists, but does not interact with the outside world (mostly). That's why Ryoji and Pharos still are guys, and Ryoji still resembles him. Also, her ultimate persona is the same Messiah he uses, and Orpheus Telos does not change either appearance-wise. Even further, it's likely that because of him, she has the potential.

== Raidou Kuzunoha is the ancestor of Arisato Minato (The Main Character) and Naoto Shirogane from P4 ==

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== Personae are psychological trauma physically manifested ==

Think about it. The only people in Persona 3, and, by extension, Persona 4, who are able to summon a persona are those who have some sort of deep issue that is potentially psychologically damaging. Each person's persona was, in a sense, first "born" at the height of that trauma. Akihiko and Shinji got theirs when Miki died, Ken when his mother died, Akihiko again when Shinji's killed, Takaya, Jin, and Chidori through the straight up psychological abuse resulting from the Kirijo Group's experiments, and so on.

Though, Misturu and Yukari's cases are different, however somewhat related to Takaya and company's. Both their fathers were involved with the Group in some manner -- Mitsuru's being the son of the head (later the head of the company), and Yukari's being one of the scientists involved with the original project with the Shadows. It isn't much of a stretch to assume the both of them were guinea pigs as well.

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== Elizabeth/Margaret/Teo were created by Nyarlathotep ==

...the same way Philemon created Igor (and possibly Nameless and Belladonna). They have the Shadow gold eyes, which Nyar was rocking first, and they can go outside the Velvet Room with no trouble, which is Nyar's special trick out of the people who live in the Collective Unconscious. They're way nicer than him because he got the specifications on creating them from Philemon as part of the forfeit for losing in P2. After all, what's the point of a bet without a forfeit for the loser?

* Well, from what I've seen of Persona 2, being a [[Spoiler Hound]] and all, Philemon has golden eyes too, as evidenced when Tatsuya punches him in the face.

** Nope, they're light brown. [http://dra-mata.com/images/persona/philemon.jpg Compare Philemon here] to [http://dra-mata.com/images/persona/nyarlathotep1.jpg Nyarlathotep] to [http://dra-mata.com/images/persona/tatsuya1.jpg actual Tatsuya]. Nyarly has really bright gold eyes, the other two are just brown. ...also notice how much Philemon's hair changes when his mask comes off.

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The demons in the first two games are the purest examples of this. Characters summoning personae (by controlling their ATV fields, much like Gendo did after swallowing Adam) are due to the Angel's power taking the form of humanity. They serve to, like the Evangelion, externalize the characters' psyches to for combat purposes, just without a big clunky robot to channel them. Being a dream world, they can manifest all on their own.

* They are also both commonly fueled by dead mommies.

The concept of 'shadows' as enemies translates perfectly – they are literally manifestations what individuals keep repressed. Throughout both series there is also recurrent mask symbolism. The Evangelion have distorted tribal masks for faces. Lillith is masked, as are many of the lesser angels. Fittingly, most of the characters' personae have masks, although it was much more obvious in Persona 2...

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* Rei is Aigis who, as a robot, can no longer experience pain or death.

* Kaworu is hybrid caught between his monstrous Angel nature and human origin, as Ryoji is between shadows/humanity. Both are the final envoys of the female!Cthulu big bad (Lillith/Nyx), and form creepy parasitic relationships with the main characters. The second time around, however, he is crucially not killed.

* Asuka, her psyche permanently distorted post mind-rape, is Chidori. The only one with no relation to Yui, she lacks the solipsistic universe-warping superpowers granted to the other three, but still retains a heightened sensitivity to the shadows (i.e. Angel remnants) around her. Her recurring attacks are the remnants of the original trauma, stimulated by the manipulation of ATV fields around her.

* Yui, having realized that all efforts to outfight the Angels were futile, implemented a masterful [[My Death Is Just the Beginning|plan from beyond the grave]] to bind herself to Evangelion Unit One/Lillith and become the catalyst for the new world, so that humanity/Shinji/her ambiguous morality may survive. However, doing so stripped her of her sanity, and she became Nyx - an id composed of misplaced maternal affection and destruction, eternally attempting to fulfill her original [[Plan]] of destroying the world as it becomes steeped in despair.

* Shinji himself is a little tough. Probably the MC, but may have some relationship to Shinjiro. They're both whiny reclusive bitches who are unusually sensitive to the super-aura-field-thing, have no self worth, and are suicidal as a result. Also, Ken's relationship to Shinjiro somewhat mirrors Shinji's issues with his dad, and they both have clingy [[White-Haired Pretty Boy]] friends.

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Humanity obviously managed to survive, however, and over two hundred years after the Fall, a descendant of Minato/Minako Arisato found him/herself in a grave in the Mojave Wasteland with a grievous bullet wound to the head. The Arisato bloodline would have ended with him/her had Victor and Doc Mitchell not rescued him/her.

Minato/Minako's original Wild Card ability is represented in several ways. The sheer versatility of the Courier's abilities goes without saying; he/she can be just about anything he/she wants to be, similar to how Minato/Minako can utilize just about any Persona from any Arcana. More abstractly, the Courier is a literal Wild Card in the affairs of the Mojave Wasteland; it is his/her actions that determine the final fate of the region, after all. Symbolically, the Courier is also represented as one of the Jokers in the deck of cards that came with the [[Limited Special Collectors Ultimate Edition]] of ''New Vegas''; the Joker is often [[Tarot Motifs|associated]] with the Fool Arcana (Minato/Minako's natural Arcana).

Minato/Minako's original Wild Card ability is represented in several ways. The sheer versatility of the Courier's abilities goes without saying; he/she can be just about anything he/she wants to be, similar to how Minato/Minako can utilize just about any Persona from any Arcana. More abstractly, the Courier is a literal Wild Card in the affairs of the Mojave Wasteland; it is his/her actions that determine the final fate of the region, after all. Symbolically, the Courier is also represented as one of the Jokers in the deck of cards that came with the [[Limited Special Collectors' Ultimate Edition]] of ''New Vegas''; the Joker is often [[Tarot Motifs|associated]] with the Fool Arcana (Minato/Minako's natural Arcana).

Also, [[Yuri Lowenthal]] and [[Laura Bailey]] play the main protagonists in both ''Persona 3'' and ''New Vegas''. Had to sneak the customary [[Actor Allusion]] in there somehow.

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This one unsettles me. Essentially, the idea goes that everyone in the game remarks how human Aigis is when you first meet her. Ikutsuki also mentions the whole idea behind making an anti-shadow weapon with a personae: the being in question has to see themselves as human. The Kirijo Group didn't build these things from scratch. Other evidence is from Strega being kidnapped off the street and experimented on. Who's to say that the experiments on the other kidnapped people also didn't involve converting regular people into subservient shadow weapons with personae?

And this is where Aigis comes in. Ikutsuki outright admits to being part of the group that experimented with shadows, which means he'd also be in touch with the androids. If the above is the assumed method for creating an anti-shadow weapon, and Ikutsuki sees that they're lacking in number, it doesn't surprise me that he'd offer up his own daughter for conversion. He's trying to bring about the Fall, and he's mad enough to get it by any means necessary.

The connection for Aigis being his daughter is how strangely close Ikutsuki keeps her ingame. He already has the SEES fooled, but Aigis and him are a different story. Almost all scenes between Aigis and Ikutsuki seem to have him being a doting father figure type character, which, in my mind, is a crack in the mask he puts up for SEES. There's a certain kind of fatherly tone with how he talks to Aigis, which may be the only way he knows how to talk to her.

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== When Aragaki Shinjiro died, he became [[Umineko no Naku Koro ni|Willard H. Wright.]] ==

In the Male Protagonist's story (though in the Female Protagonist's Story, {{spoiler|he survived, but he might die later}}), Shinjiro died at October 4th and lost his ability to summon his Persona. Heaven reconized his deeds and his sacrifice that he was appointed as first-class archbishop and Chief Inquisitor of SSVD, and was given the ability to enforce Van Dine's Commandments. As part of SSVD, Shinjiro changed his appearance and was given a new name, Willard H. Wright. But similar to his action in the Past, he quit SSVD just as he quit SEES, but the reason he quit SSVD is because of their brutal standards.

* Also, Shinjiro, even as Will, still has his [[Hidden Heart of Gold]], and of course, his signature Head Butt as shown in EP8.

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When Takeharu Kirijo mentions that his father in his later years had only nihilism in his heart, it reminded me of Kandori from Persona 1...and he was being controlled to a degree by Nyarlathotep. After the events of P2, Nyarlathotep and Philemon were both weakened (at least Nyarlathotep was, no idea what happened in Philemon) and thus cannot involve themselves in the world as they did in P1 and P2. But, the accident took place in 1999, the same year as Eternal Punishment. Shadows are dark human thoughts given form...and Nyarlathotep is the incarnation of humanity's evil. Perhaps before the end of Eternal Punishment where he is defeated by Tatsuya and the gang, he directly controlled Koetsu Kirijo from the beginning to gather Shadows to thus bring forth Death, Tartarus and the Dark Hour. The world would have probably ended in 1999 if it weren't for Yukari's dad interrupting the experiment. Nyarlathotep then failed to destroy the world in P2 as he didn't manage to have Jun, Eikichi or Lisa remember the events of Innocent Sin and thus had to wait 10 years...then, he influenced Ikutsuki somehow - or maybe influenced him from the beginning - to have S.E.E.S destroy the Full Moon shadows and bring forth The Fall, and win the contest between him and Philemon once and for all. Note that the Fall is caused by Erebus coming into contact with Nyx...and Erebus seems to be born from the evil of humanity much like Nyarlathotep. They do not seem to be the same being, but perhaps are linked...

** Supposedly one of the light novels pretty much confirms this by saying old man Kirijo was seduced by a katamari (in the sense of a jumbled blob of things) of darkness. Same novel had a mysterious man in a mask rescuing protagonist from the car crash. How accurate this is I don't know, since I've never read the light novels.

== The Protagonists' first experience with the Dark Hour was two years before the events of the game. Possibly on Octorber 4th. Also, this is the reason why Mitsuru wanted them to join SEES. ==

Based on one scene that Shinjiro has met the protagonist in the Alley of the Station in FEMC Moon Rank 8 and has remembered both Male and Female Protagonist's identities while the gang visits Akihiko at the hospital. Also, Akihiko asking your protagonist how is the character doing may lead to some past secrets.

The protagonist possibly made a short visit to Tatsumi Port Island from a place far away (School trip, possibly) and had experienced his first glimpse of the Dark Hour then (that is why when they returned in the start of the game, they were no longer surprised as they were already used to it.)He also stumbles onto the moment where Shinjiro cannot control his Persona and created a ruckus around the area leading to the death of Ken's mother.

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== The skill "Thug's Punch" is wind-based. ==

Now, what element was Junpei weak against?

** It all comes together here and makes sense

== "Burn My Dread-Last Battle" is S.E.E.S' [[Badass Boast]] to [[Persona 4|the Investigation Team]] ==