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RYNOROSSFILMS: Ladies and gentlemen, a story for you: As you all know [[F-Zero|Captain Falcon]] died in that epic paunch and his position was taken over by the [[Replacement Scrappy|less awesome]] [[F-Zero|Rick Wheeler]]. The truth, however, was that Captain Falcon was reincarnated. His reincarnation later beat the living shit out of Rick and took back his rightful position.

And that reincarnation was&# 65279; known as Kanji Tatsumi.

Also:

== Yosuke is the reincarnation of the MC from Persona 3 ==

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WAIT! The troper who wrote this found another link between the P3 MC and Yosuke: Headphones. That's gotta mean ''something''.

* How can be be the reincarnation when Yosuke's around 17 during Persona 4 and Persona 3's MC died only two years prior?

Possible explanation: Yosuke isn't a reincarnation of the MC in the traditional sense. Perhaps instead of MC's soul going to the afterlife, it fused with Yosuke's soul.

** Who says reincarnation has to be linear?

* Evidence: If you look at the Megami Tensei wiki images for [http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090130023408/megamitensei/images/thumb/c/c0/P4-Jiraiya.jpg/339px-P4-Jiraiya.jpg Jiraiya] in P4 and [http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080216201319/megamitensei/images/thumb/d/d7/Orpheus_fullsize.jpg/250px-Orpheus_fullsize.jpg Orpheus] , note they have the '''SAME EXACT POSE'''

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** Adachi gets a shadow too - he uses it to taunt you when you first enter his dungeon, as I recall. Plus, Teddie being the MC's shadow would explain how he managed to meet up with him on his first trip to the Midnight Channel; Teddie would have shown up regardless of where they popped out.

** A moment of Fridge Brilliance actually gives this some credence from within the game. Teddies Persona is of the Star Arcana. One of the things associated with the Star Arcana: Hope.

** Another thing worth considering; Teddie's Social Link is based around his fear that there is he has no 'real self'. It's no stretch of the imagination that this kind of crisis is faced by everyone who has the Wild Card ability. When you can change 'who you are' at will it doesn't take much to get confused.

** There's one hole in this theory: Teddie pretty much implies that he has been in the other world since the beginning of it's existence.(When talking about that world during your first meeting with him, he says "it's always been like this" and when the true form of the other world appears after {{spoiler|Izanami}}'s defeat, he says "A long time ago, this world used to look like this.") Since the other world reflects the collective minds of humanity, one would presume that it has existed for a long time...certainly longer than the Main Character has been alive. After all, humanity has been around for a long time. If that were the case, then it would be impossible for Teddie to be the Main Character's shadow, since he predates the Main Character.

*** Well, if we assume that everyone always has a shadow in World inside the TV, it's entirely possible that Teddie has been there for quite a while (Souji's whole life), and that things literally DIDN'T look like the crazy world that it ends up like until much more recently.

* One last thing to feed the theories: Teddie's Shadow has an attack called Nihil Hand, but if you fight him on the first day you can, he won't have access to it. The reason why is because the second day, Morooka gives a lecture on Nietzche. Now, why would that matter?

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In addition to the power of the wild card and using the Velvet Room to fuse Personas, Philemon created Teddie from the unclouded version of the Midnight Channel. Because of Teddie's desire to attain the truth and help people, he became friends with the protagonist and helped him defeat Izanami. [[Batman Gambit|Just as planned!]]

== Teddie is some kind of universal shadow, made up of pieces of all human minds. His personality is most strongly influenced by the people he closely interacts with. ==

The evidence for this one is a little sparse, but the fact that he hits on everyone could be caused by Yosuke's loneliness, whereas his desire to find his true self could come from Rise. His bursts of anger come from Kanji Tatsumi and his cheerfulness comes from Nanako/Yukiko/Chie.

* So...Teddie is Nyarlathotep?

** If so, then the plot of the game shifts from "beat the evil gods" to "execute a {[plan}} on the part of Philemon to get what remains of Nyarlathotep to pull a [[Heel Face Turn]]". An obvious extension of this is...

== ...that Izanami was a jobber generated by Philemon to provide a foe for Teddy/Nyarlathotep and friends to fight ==

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== The [[Persona 4]] protagonist is the [[Persona 3]] protagonist. ==

"Minato" (as he is called in the official manga) faked his death due to maxing out all his Social links and having over five women chasing after him. He dyed his hair, contacted his uncle, and made up a fake identity for himself. It explains why he unlocked his Persona the first and the easiest. He has already had experience. Also explains why he is rather mature. The reason he starts over from level one is that he hasn't had anything to fight against for over a year and has been out of practice.

** I'll due you one better all of that is true except the level thing He is level one because he poured all his power into the great seal wiping out his Persona compendium and draining Orpheus thus he re-imagined him into Izanagi

== Igor and the others inside the Velvet Room are orchestrating the mother of all [[Gambit Roulettes]] in order to save humanity's soul. ==

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== The Persona 4 Protagonist is the child of Tatsuya and Maya from Persona 2 ==

The constant mention of rumors of parents that constantly travel everywhere. It could be Maya and Tatsuya, constantly looking for strange new things to investigate. The reason they never looked at Inaba is that just looks like a serial murder case.

* Also, he may have inherited the ability of the Wild Card from both of them. Maya, Tatsuya and the Persona 4 Protagonist can change Persona at will.

* Also the fact he uses the same type of weapon as Tatsuya.

* {{spoiler|This explains why even Izanami is surprised that the main Character got the Wild Card ability. She only meant to give him a Persona. So the Wild card ability is Genetic? Maybe a Bloodline?}}

* Isn't the protagonist a little too old to be their kid, even assuming they hooked up right after the end of Eternal Punishment (which seems very unlikely, IMO)? Besides, everyone in Persona 2 has the Wild Card because of Philemon, not from some innate power.

** Yes. The earliest Eternal Punishment could take place is in September 1999, since it references the Grand Cross (August 17, 1999) as having already happened. Assuming Tatsuya and Maya did hook up (even though the ending specifically shows Maya moving on), the child would be 11 or 12 in Persona 4. And, of course, the so-called "Wild Card" ability is only unique and special in Persona 3 and Persona 4.

*** [[Ouran High School Host Club|For the sake of convenience, ignore all time inconsistencies.]]

== Chie Satonaka is the child of Gene from God Hand. ==

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== Nanako is actually an offshoot of Izanami created to stay close to the Main ==

When Nanako is thrown into the TV, she manages to form a world, yet her Shadow doesn't appear. This is explained as her being too young to have an ego, despite all of the indications via Social Link that she should have one. The reason she doesn't is because, as a god, or at least part of one, she doesn't need one. Not only that, but if you don't get the Bad Ending, she comes back to life despite all of the indications that she should be dead. This is because of her inherent abilities as being part of Izanami. However, the fog still hurts her because of her close proximity to her creator's powers, causing a sort of spectral feedback, thus harming her. Dojima, meanwhile, believes that Nanako is actually his daughter because Izanami screwed with his memories, making him believe that her mother died in a hit and run. This would also explain why Dojima never manages to find the guy who did it; his wife never existed.

* Alternatively, it's possible that Nanako wasn't ''intentionally'' placed there; perhaps she's an incarnation that Izanami purposefully discarded to remove part of herself... i.e. her 'innocence' or her 'purity', something that she felt would hold her back when she enacted her ultimate plans. This banished aspect was unable to remain a godlike being like Ameno-sagiri, and so took on a mortal form to avoid simply fading away. She used the last of her power to insert herself into the MC's life, staying close to him not because she's been ordered to, but because she found herself naturally drawn to him by the same power that caught her 'complete' self's attention. Which means, of course, that as her mortal form matures, the Main could very well find that her 'cute little marriage proposal' was completely genuine and he's picked up a Divine [[Stalker with a Crush]]...

** "You're not real... You're not my real dad!" may well be thrown back at Dojima for all those drunkenly lucid times he's looked at his "daughter" and seen her for what she really was, and called her out on it.

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** Nanako called, she wants her science project back.

== Souji Seta ''is'' indeed the horny bastard Morooka makes him out to be, and is taking advantage of several emotionally insecure girls to quench his sexual appetite ==

'Nuff said.

* He's certainly right about his reasons for wanting to join a culture club.

* Seta changes his personality between every s-link, seems very manipulative to me.

** Yeah, but [[Manipulative Bastard|manipulative bastards]] never heal those traumas the way Seta does; if someone has resolved their issues you can't manipulate them. By the time Seta gets into someone's pants he's guided them to a level of self-acceptance that would ordinarily be impossible without years of therapy. That isn't manipulation, it's [[Intimate Healing]].

*** They've come to trust Seta; it's all part of his plan.

*** Or he's a [[Magnificent Bastard]]/ [[Chivalrous Pervert]], who wants to get laid...alot....but not enough to hurt anyone.

*** Souji Seta: Healing women's tortured psyches, one orgasm at a time.

== Daidara is supplying the party with weapons not because he is doing it for art ==

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== Margaret, Elizabeth and Takaya are the Shadow versions of Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano-ou. ==

They all have the same silver hair as Izanami and the Protagonist, and they all have those bright golden eyes that the Shadow versions of people have; they are their children, born from Izanagi into the world of Shadows after he met Izanami in the underworld. Elizabeth and Margaret were taken in and cared for by Igor, but Takaya found his way into the real world and was picked up by Ikutsuki.

* Actually consider Elizabeth disappearing to help Minato, while Margaret doesn't understand this and is argueably "enraged". Takaya pissed off his sisters and Igor, who then banished him into the real world. So Elizabeth would be Tsukuyomi. Margaret would be Amaterasu and Takaya is Susano-ou. Also the fact that Nyx and the moon, with the seal and Elizabeth trying to free Minato, it makes some sense and fits in nicely.

== The PC was intended to fail, but won due to Wild Card ==

Without it, the PC would be stuck with Izanagi, a Persona that doesn't learn a skill past level 5. {{spoiler|Adachi}} was also granted a Persona by {{spoiler|Izanami}}, and he is the king of pushover bosses ({{spoiler|Namatame}}'s battle is against a shadow, not his Persona), lessening the chance it is mearly be a gameplay quirk

* The other Izanagi is much more powerful than yours however, suggesting that either the wild card ability weakened yours, or that it would have gotten stronger had you only had to rely on it.

** [[Anticlimax Boss|Powerful?]]

*** It has Vorpal Blade, Heat Riser, and some Dyne level spells. That's a heck of lot stronger than Souji's wimpy Izanagi with the weakest level physical and magic attacks. Not the Persona's fault it's master is too stupid to use it properly.

== People trapped in the TV don't need to eat/drink due to the awareness of [[Bottomless Bladder]] as a trope. ==

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*** Yeah, Yosuke's not unrepentantly evil or anything close, but he is still, at times, a total douchebag. Such as during the entire camping trip sequence, and many offhand remarks throughout the game.

*** All right, points taken, Yosuke has severe and at times grating personality flaws, but don't forgot that he has shown considerable character development and heroism in the course of stopping the murders and, you know, the end of the world. So, a nice person, just a flawed one.

*** Good doesn't mean nice, you know. Yosuke is a ''good'' person (he took in Teddie, after all), but he's also [[Jerkass|an asshole]]; being on the Investigation Team doesn't actually change how much he enjoys picking on and embarrassing his friends for his amusement.

*** Sometimes this troper wonders if she's the only one who grew up with a 'Yosuke'. There are guys out there who will poke fun at their friends, feel uncomfortable about homosexuality and act like jerks, but they can also be the most dependable person in your life who will stand by your side when things get tough. There's a saying that goes "teasing is a sign of affection", so Yosuke must genuinely care for all his friends, and he has shown it: he gave Teddie a place to live, he invited Nanako to Junes, he gave Kanji some money for popsicles, he withstood Chie's tantrums and bought her lunch twice, he fought alongside the protagonist since the beginning, and he was really upset about {{spoiler|Nanako's "death". Speaking of that event, weren't Naoto and Kanji also urging for Namatame's death? I remember Naoto was the first to suggest it:}}

{{quote|'''Naoto:''' ''(walks up to the large tv)'' "This must be a luxury suite. Most hospital wards don't have such large televisions...why, with something like this in the room, this man could escape at anytime...although once he enters...he may find there's no way out."

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== Saki didn't hate Yosuke nearly as much as the shadows make it out. ==

One of the major plot points is that while the shadows are parts of the mind that the person that the other is afraid to admit but that's not the entire person (Chie's shadow is formed of her resentment of Yukiko, but they're still friends, etc.). Furthermore the Midnight Channel will show things that people want to be true or think are true. Saki may not (and considering Yosuke's then poor social skills probably not) have wanted to have a relationship, she may not have had the massive hate.

* Most definitely. More than likely Saki's shadow [[Hannibal Lecture]]'d her about how she was two faced to Yosuke all the time. Had she been saved it would have come to light and the relationship between them could have been mended. But alas she was the [[Sacrificial Lamb]]

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== Yosuke is the reincarnation of the Persona 3 Main Character ==

Borrowing an idea from [[Discworld]] that reincarnation doesn't have to be strictly linear to get around time difficulties...Yosuke, like P3MC, loves music and is always listening to a portable [[~~MP 3~~]] player, even in combat. His starting Persona, like Orpheus, is a folk hero in a bitchin' scarf. He's also kind of a perv and freely hits on his female friends while having...issues about his actual sexuality like anyone who had maxed multiple social links in P3 would. Finally, Yosuke is a complete [[Butt Monkey]], karmic repayment for the P3MC's obscene luck in the matters of romance, friendship, and spiritual enlightenment. He does get to live, though.

Borrowing an idea from [[Discworld]] that reincarnation doesn't have to be strictly linear to get around time difficulties...Yosuke, like P3MC, loves music and is always listening to a portable [[MP3]] player, even in combat. His starting Persona, like Orpheus, is a folk hero in a bitchin' scarf. He's also kind of a perv and freely hits on his female friends while having...issues about his actual sexuality like anyone who had maxed multiple social links in P3 would. Finally, Yosuke is a complete [[Butt Monkey]], karmic repayment for the P3MC's obscene luck in the matters of romance, friendship, and spiritual enlightenment. He does get to live, though.

* They also have the same english VA.

== Rise is the reincarnation of Persona 3 PSP's Female Main Character ==

[[Fe MC]] S.Links indicate that she's more connected to the team than the MC was. This lead her to be more understanding and more motherly towards her team. And if her Link with Shinjiro was indicating anything, she wasn't afraid on hitting on guys. Rise's [[Teen Idol]] status is because [[Fe MC]] enjoyed karaoke night and had a secret wish to be a singer while the bullied part was because she was alone for so many years.

* Once again, same English VA.

== The MC dies in a train crash shortly after the end of the game. ==

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(I mainly have a hard time believing they'll just let it be a happy ending.)

* That's a pretty awful [[Diabolus Ex Machina]], even if it's to make Persona 4 fit in with [[Shin Megami Tensei]].

== Brotagonist spiked the girl's drinks on the school trip. ==

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== Teddie spiked the drinks at Club Escapade ==

During the Kings Games, Yukiko, Rise, and Teddie seemingly become drunk ''"of of the environment,"'' because according to Naoto (and even implied by Kanji) the drinks were not alcohol. If this was the case though, why were those three the only ones "affected by the environment." It's safe to assume, especially since Teddie had been hanging out on the bad portion of town by himself prior to meeting up with the group, that he spiked both his and the girls drinks.

== Yukiko is the secret lovechild of [[Touhou|Kaguya and Mokou.]] ==

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== Alternately Teddie's Shadow is a result of Adachi throwing a tantrum ==

We don't know much about Adachi's powers but it does seem like he has a far greater affinity for affecting the TV world in lieu of Seto's messanic charisma and wild card persona. He probably watched the midnight channel, saw six kids and their stupid bear about to buy it and said "This is going to be so F* cking cool! Dojimae's going to shit a brick when his nephew and his friends show up dead on a telephone pole. Awesome!" Only to throw his remote when Teddie Curbstomps Rise's Shadow. Then he remembers "Wait, I've got powers too. Suck on this!"

* Interesting to note is that "Shadow Teddie" has a voice almost exactly like Ame-noSagiri!Adachi, with the difference being that "Shadow Teddie" doesn't have a reverb-echo-effect-thing.

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== Izanami had attempted her experiment once before, in a different small town... ==

...Called [[Silent Hill]].

* Except there, her aspect was Samael.

* Meanwhile, on [[Final Fantasy IX|another planet]] her Namatame/Adachi equivalent was some monkey-man with birthing hips.

* She [[Actor Allusion|also became a god by arranging the massacre of yet another small town]]... called [[Higurashi no Naku Koro ni|Hinamizawa]]. There weren't any monsters there, but there were plenty of crazy people.

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Think about it: They’re both manchildren. They’re both obsessed with videogames to an unhealthy degree. They both make creepy advances towards girls they barely know (in Mitsuo’s case it's Yukiko, in Chris’s case it’s basically anything female). They both copy other peoples work. They both have unusual eyes. They both have grudges against and get disproportion revenge upon teachers (well alright, the person Chris has a grudge against is a dean not a teacher, but same basic principal). They both always wear the same shirt.

You have to admit the resemblance is disturbing and uncanny.

* Occam's Razor would point out that it is rediculously unlikely that there are enough Japanese [[Sonichu]] [[Trolls|"Fans"]] to make it likely. Then again, Occam's Razor would also disregard quantum physics beacuse it isn't "The Simplest Explination", but yeah. Besides, Chris's type is actually [[Hikikomori|quite well known]] in Japan.

** [[Critical Research Failure]] on what [[Occam's Razor]] actually entails. Read the actual article.

== At some point, Dojima was finally told the truth ==

This troper suspects that after everything that happened, he finally became open minded enough to ask The MC if all that stuff about throwing people into the TV's was true. For the MC's part, he caved in and showed him the truth, figuring that Dojima was trustworthy (something they all admitted earlier in the game). Possible because at this point, there's no point in hiding it from him, plus we all know Nanako's kidnapping might have been avoided if he had been let in on the secret.

* Uh yeah? He explicitly says during the good ending after the final boss he doesn't understand the TV world or Persona stuff.

** Really? I interpreted it as him still not really knowing what had happened, but thinking that they had a strong enough case against Adachi that even craziness about T.V worlds and the like didn't matter. He says something along the lines of "Even if a T.V world does exist, It won't change that Adachi will be put away", near the end of the game. I mean if he knew for sure, they would have just said it wouldn't they? [[Viewers are Morons|Or am I just stupid -_-]]

*** Basically, Dojima seems to at least remember the explanation that the MC tried to give him on the day {{spoiler|Nanako}} was kidnapped. It's fairly obvious that he still doesn't fully believe it, though.

== The true world in everyone's hearts revealed in the True Ending is the setting at the beginning of the First Pokemon Movie. ==

Seriously. The whole opening thing with Mewtwo dreaming before he wakes up in the cloning lab, saying that he is "ready to be"? The mountain Mew flies over is totally the same mountain as the one in the true TV world.

== The [[Mission Control]] Characters are stronger than we realize ==

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== Nanako was '''far''' more clued in then she lets on ==

Okay, you watch television all day. You have a brother surrogate that you think hung the moon.... And then people start dying. Now all of a sudden your brother comes home at odd hours all brusied and batterd, he has a lethal array of katanas, long swords, and body armor. Moreover, he's buying weird mystical equipment from the mail order. And then... people stop dying. People disappear, but they always reappear at the same time that your awesome big brother comes home with those mysterious injuries...

Seriously though, Nanako's probably heard of the midnight channel (what else do we see the poor kid doing but watch television? And we do know that she was up the first time that you watch the midnight channel), she's seen all the stuff you order through the mail, she does nearly all of the chores in the house she's probably been in your room, multiple times, without your knowledge (what kid hasn't snuck into the room of a particularly admired older sibling?) '''and''' she's always running interception between you and Dojimae.

* Nanako is Izanami. They have the same voice talent! And the MC might've {{spoiler|gotten his spark of Persona when he shook hands with the gas station goddess}} but only got that headache when he saw that Nanako was staring at him.

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== Igor is actually a Time Lord. The Velvet Room is some sort of corrupted, ever-changing TARDIS that can enter human minds. Elizabeth, Margaret, and Theodore are his Companions, possibly other Time Lords. ==

** Alternatively, Igor is Suzumiya Haruhi.

*** If so, then Philemon would be Kyon.

== Each of the protagonist's companions is associated with one of the [[Seven Deadly Sins]]. ==

The protagonist, being the paragon of perfection that he is, doesn't have a sin as much as he doesn't have a Shadow. But think about his companions for a moment: Chie's sin was obviously Envy, of Yukiko, who she thinks is better than her at everything. Yukiko's sin was Sloth, waiting for a strong prince to save her from her personal problems instead of trying to deal with them herself. Kenji... well, I guess you can say he is quite Wrathful, even though I don't see how this is related to his Shadow. Rise is associated with Lust in a sort of opposite way: her life (or so she thinks) is defined by it not because she is very lustful, but because she is the object of so much lust. Naoto obviously has some serious issues with Pride, risking her own lives and those of others(in addition to generally acting like a prick) in order to prove to herself (and to the world) that she is the very best.

So, this leaves us with Yosuke and Teddie, and Gluttony and Greed. Now I am stuck. But this theory sounded really promising a few minuets ago.

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** The existence of Teddie? The acceptance speeches? It's not a WMG if it's a major theme of the game, dude.

== TV Tropes is the Shadow of [[The Other Wiki]]. ==

Wikipedia has largely become a regulated stopover on the way to more "valid" research. It struggles to feel accepted academically while still suffering the derision of teachers everywhere. Wikipedia struggles to be accepted through strict regulation and cold hard facts; a far cry from the more lax, [[Rule of Fun]] oriented TV Tropes. Wikipedia, in an effort to stamp out its more trivial side, inadvertently gave birth to TV Tropes as its Shadow self. It cannot bear to reconcile knowledge with fun and so it cannot bring itself to face TV Tropes. But TV Tropes is Wikipedia. And [[The Other Wiki]] is TV Tropes...

== [[That Troper (Darth Wiki)|That Troper]] is the Shadow born of the collective ego of all Tropers...including ''you''. ==

[[That Troper (Darth Wiki)|That Troper]]

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'''My OTP IS the [[Fan-Preferred Couple]]! [[Avatar: The Last Airbender|Katara]] is a [[Canon Sue]] and I don't care who disagrees! Don't you take my entry down! I'M right, YOU'RE wrong!'''

'''Isn't that what you truly feel?'''

'''Villinize me all you'd like. Just accept the inevitable truth: you are me...and I am you'''

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== {{spoiler|Mitsuo Kubo}} will return as a minor antagonist in Persona 5. ==

He's the only villain that you don't fight directly at some point, and we don't know what happened to him beyond the fact that he was {{spoiler|prosecuted for murder}}. If he appears at all, I bet he's either going to be a Social Link (unlikely, given how unrepentant he is) or a member of the [[Quirky Miniboss Squad]].

== [[Persona 3]] and [[Persona 4]] will be..... ==

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Let's look at the evidence, shall we? [http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/10/39776.jpg Persona 4 MC] and [http://cdn03.cdn.socialitelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/chord-overstreet-lotus-event-11142010-03.jpg Chord Overstreet]. See any resemblance?

Sam is very loyal on ''[[Glee]]'', a trait that's heavily implied to be the MC's by default. He's a bit of a jock with an interest in the arts (in P4 you can be on a sports team and in the music/drama club). The timelines coincide (he is currently a Sophomore in 2010-2011 like the MC would be).

MC's ethnicity isn't referenced, so it's possible he's American. Maybe Sam is bi-racial, Japanese on his mother's side. He isn't a natural blond after all.

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== Ameno-Saigiri and [[Raidou Kuzunoha VS King Abaddon|Shinoda]] are two eyes from the same pair of eyes. ==

And according to the myth, when both eyes open at once, humanity will find true despair.

== Daidara knows about Shadows, and has at least some idea of what the Investigation Team is up to. ==

Come on, he doesn't bat an eye when he gets exotic materials (which include monster teeth and eyes) from a bunch of teenagers, he seems to be able to identify said materials and definitely knows how to work with them (a normal smith probably couldn't turn flowers dropped by defeated Bambinos into usable equipment), and at one point, he even gives the MC a speech about how he should take pride in vanquishing evil.

* Corollary: There's an old man who mentions that the weird fog comes to Inaba from time to time. What's not to say that Daidara did some fighting against Shadows himself one of the past times it happened?

* Okay, how about this? Like Igor, Daidara is an agent of Philemon. I think I'm going to consider this part of my personal canon.

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== Teddie and the TV world are suffering body horror ==

teddies human form is his real form. as is the lush green TV world: izanami came along, found that changing it (and teddie, accidentally)

would be easier than making a New world for her plans.

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== Lifting the fog in Persona 4 symbolized the end of humanity's wish to die, freeing the Protagonist of Persona 3. ==

Or at least help relieve the burden on the Protagonist of Persona 3 a lot.

== The main characters' personas in Persona 3 vs. those in Persona 4 reflect the game's environment. ==

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[http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8983/moto0045sp1.jpg As seen here]

* It's a dummied out game mechanic similar to that of the 'heart' one from [[Persona 3]]. In Persona 3, you could get a Persona with a heart shaped symbol on their status screen; if you then learned all of that Persona's skill set, you would get a special item. The eye could have been something similar but with party members, that was dummied out at the last minute.

* On a [[New Game+]], you get the chance to fight Death, who randomly appears in treasure chests. You get an amazing weapon for defeating him, there's one available for each team member. Given that people have said the eye can change from character to character by reloading a save, it's possible the eye is simply telling you which character's weapon will be dropped if you were to fight Death.

== Some other features/random trivial tidbits that will be in ''The Ultimate in Mayonaka Arena'' ==

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== [[Persona 3|Ryoji]] will be an extra/hidden/boss character in The Ultimate. ==

He is still an avatar/fragment to Nyx, but for now his role is to observe humanity's ways and keep in touch with Nyx and the Persona 3 protagonist. In fact, one of Aigis's reasons for entering the tournament in the first place is to investigate his purpose. Since the Persona 3 protagonist sort of raised Ryoji and gave him humanity, his fighting style will utilize a one-handed sword for a weapon and Thanatos as his Persona. Finally, [[That One Attack|Night Queen]] will be his most powerful super, being his equivalent to [[Blaz Blue|Jayoku Hotenjin]]!

* Jesus Crackers On A Stick. I can only hope that the makers of this game trope, because YES PLEASE. Alternitively, he could be the Final Boss and be brainwashed by Erebus, which could also be what the hell got into Teddie to make him start the tournament in the first place. If nothing else, a cameo with him flirting with all the girls, of ''both'' games, would be appreciated, whether it's a [[Breaking the Fourth Wall|flashback or not.]]

== In the new Persona 4: Golden, Souij/Yu will finally have the option to [[Gay Option|date Yosuke.]] ==

* Just throwing it out there. Hey, we're getting Persona 2 and this troper is certain the gay option won't be edited out. With all the [[Ho Yay]] in the original game, and with added features of the new game, we might just be able to date Yosuke if you pick your cards right (like the hug scene in Social Link 8).

== Teddie is a "proto-Philemon" Shadow ==

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== Building on the Souji moves back to Inaba WMG... ==

* Persona 4: The Ultimate seems to support this! It takes place a few months after Persona 4's storyline, but notice how Yu is wearing his school uniform, whereas Naoto is not.

* Note that Yu/MC is wearing his old second year uniform, where if he was living in Inaba, he'd have a third year one. (The same way Kanji now wears a second year uniform instead of a first year one) He probably just wore it because it was easier to smuggle weapons into the TV World with it. (Out of universe reason, they wanted him to look familiar.)

== In a later episode of the anime, the Investigation Team will test the limits of Aiya's Deliver Anywhere policy ==

Namely, by ordering from inside the TV World. ''And it will work.''

** That would be funny as hell, but is it even possible? If I remember correctly from the game, cell phones don't get service inside the TV world, so how would they place an order?

** If this happens, I'm willing to bet it's because Aiya's delivery service is related to the Velvet Room... somehow. Think about it: For ramen, the Special Bowl is inordinately helpful to Yu as a meter stick of personal development, and the delivery girl would fit right in as one of Igor's aides.

** There are scans showing motorcycles inside the Midnight Channel on Persona 4: The Golden. So you may be right.

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* They explicitly stated that The Golden won't have a female protagonist.

== Aika is Aegis, Marie is Metis: ==

* Reasoning:

** Both of their paired names start with the appropriate letter: A/A, M/M

** Aika is remarkable similar to Aegis

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*** She is representative of Aegis' humanity, which is explored in the Aeon Social link in Persona 3, FES

* The Explanation:

** Through some horrible twist of fate, Aika had come across the Dark Hour and got killed by Shadows. However,her personality was rescued and placed into Aegis. Aika's body is kept in stasis by the Kijiro Group. Persona3 happens. After The Answer happens, Aegis loses her memories and returns to her own body, [[Become A Real Boyregaining|her human body]]. Her memories are dormant and may only be rerevealed in some awesome ending. Metis leaves her sister's robot body and takes her place as part of the Velvet Room cast.

== "Reach Out To The Truth" is sung from Nanako's perspective. ==