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== ...that Izanami was a jobber generated by Philemon to provide a foe for Teddy/Nyarlathotep and friends to fight ==

So that Teddy/Nyarlathotep would have a foe to [[Heel Face Turn]] against. A consequence theory of the above guess.

* But Nyarlathotep is half of the Collective Unconscious, the destructive half, and inseparable from Philemon, the creative half. If Nyar turns good, what happens to Philemon? The Shadow of humanity might not be a job for a nice person, but if the guy currently running it leaves, what happens to all of humanity's suppressed destructive urges? ...maybe this is how Erebus came about, because I'm pretty sure in P2 Nyar covered everything he did. Which means Philemon's ruining things by switching from the relatively controllable Nyarlathotep (doesn't do much outside their little bet) to whatever will come pouring out of humanity's dark side next. [[Well Intentioned Extremist]]...or [[Face Heel Turn]] to match Nyarlathotep's [[Heel Face Turn]]?

* But Nyarlathotep is half of the Collective Unconscious, the destructive half, and inseparable from Philemon, the creative half. If Nyar turns good, what happens to Philemon? The Shadow of humanity might not be a job for a nice person, but if the guy currently running it leaves, what happens to all of humanity's suppressed destructive urges? ...maybe this is how Erebus came about, because I'm pretty sure in P2 Nyar covered everything he did. Which means Philemon's ruining things by switching from the relatively controllable Nyarlathotep (doesn't do much outside their little bet) to whatever will come pouring out of humanity's dark side next. [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]]...or [[Face Heel Turn]] to match Nyarlathotep's [[Heel Face Turn]]?

== Alternately, Teddie is the collective Shadow of the Fool Arcana. ==

Why not? Teddie says that he has been there for a long time, possibly forever. If Teddie was there since the beginning, perhaps he means the very beginning of The Fool's journey.

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* Occam's Razor would point out that it is rediculously unlikely that there are enough Japanese [[Sonichu]] [[Trolls|"Fans"]] to make it likely. Then again, Occam's Razor would also disregard quantum physics beacuse it isn't "The Simplest Explination", but yeah. Besides, Chris's type is actually [[Hikikomori|quite well known]] in Japan.

** [[Critical Research Failure]] on what [[~~Occams~~ Razor]] actually entails. Read the actual article.

** [[Critical Research Failure]] on what [[Occam's Razor]] actually entails. Read the actual article.

== At some point, Dojima was finally told the truth ==

This troper suspects that after everything that happened, he finally became open minded enough to ask The MC if all that stuff about throwing people into the TV's was true. For the MC's part, he caved in and showed him the truth, figuring that Dojima was trustworthy (something they all admitted earlier in the game). Possible because at this point, there's no point in hiding it from him, plus we all know Nanako's kidnapping might have been avoided if he had been let in on the secret.

* Uh yeah? He explicitly says during the good ending after the final boss he doesn't understand the TV world or Persona stuff.

** Really? I interpreted it as him still not really knowing what had happened, but thinking that they had a strong enough case against Adachi that even craziness about T.V worlds and the like didn't matter. He says something along the lines of "Even if a T.V world does exist, It won't change that Adachi will be put away", near the end of the game. I mean if he knew for sure, they would have just said it wouldn't they? [[Viewers ~~Are~~ Morons|Or am I just stupid -_-]]

** Really? I interpreted it as him still not really knowing what had happened, but thinking that they had a strong enough case against Adachi that even craziness about T.V worlds and the like didn't matter. He says something along the lines of "Even if a T.V world does exist, It won't change that Adachi will be put away", near the end of the game. I mean if he knew for sure, they would have just said it wouldn't they? [[Viewers are Morons|Or am I just stupid -_-]]

*** Basically, Dojima seems to at least remember the explanation that the MC tried to give him on the day {{spoiler|Nanako}} was kidnapped. It's fairly obvious that he still doesn't fully believe it, though.

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== The [[Mission Control]] Characters are stronger than we realize ==

This is more Persona 3 and 4, but there is no section for general theories. First we have Fuuka: Spent weeks([[Year Inside Hour Outside|although only hours to her]]) traipsing around the school during the dark hour. She would have died, but her Persona, which hadn't even fully awakened yet instinctively guided her away from danger (and also steered toward the protagonist, or perhaps I should say, it steered them towards her). She's also the only character besides the MC to realize what the evoker is beforehand. Next is Rise. her shadow used it's scanning powers to not only evade the party's attacks, but also hit all with an [[One Hit Kill|almost instant KO attack]]. It's the only boss not to be beaten in a battle. Also, mere moments after gaining her persona, Rise is the only character to make use of it immediately. They can analyze the enemy, predict their movements, and avoid them, and strike weak spots. Well, not the last one, because they can't fight, but if they could....... Remember what Fuuka's persona did to the shadows that attacked it? And all she did was summon it. Imagine if she had the same fighting potential as the others, same for Rise.

This is more Persona 3 and 4, but there is no section for general theories. First we have Fuuka: Spent weeks([[Year Inside, Hour Outside|although only hours to her]]) traipsing around the school during the dark hour. She would have died, but her Persona, which hadn't even fully awakened yet instinctively guided her away from danger (and also steered toward the protagonist, or perhaps I should say, it steered them towards her). She's also the only character besides the MC to realize what the evoker is beforehand. Next is Rise. her shadow used it's scanning powers to not only evade the party's attacks, but also hit all with an [[One-Hit Kill|almost instant KO attack]]. It's the only boss not to be beaten in a battle. Also, mere moments after gaining her persona, Rise is the only character to make use of it immediately. They can analyze the enemy, predict their movements, and avoid them, and strike weak spots. Well, not the last one, because they can't fight, but if they could....... Remember what Fuuka's persona did to the shadows that attacked it? And all she did was summon it. Imagine if she had the same fighting potential as the others, same for Rise.

* Theorectically, it would make them able to predict and avoid any attack thrown at them like Rise's shadow does. However they'd need the physical abilities to actually do so. Rise since she's a trained dancer and in active physical shape might be able to pull it off, but Fuuka's pretty frail, and doesn't get much exercise. However if they fought as well they'd need good multitasking skills to both fight and be mindful of the other team while they are at it. It's probably more effective for them to stick to support since the other characters probably have more raw power than them.

** That's more or less what I was thinking. They may not be able to do it, but the potential is there, and it's frightening. As for Fuuka's lack of physical skill, perhaps a long range strategy: use her power to keep her distance the way she did in her intro arc, and pelt with any spells possible. Assuming her persona can learn spells. In fact, I wonder if Atlus has considered such a thing themselves. Imagine an enemy persona user who can do what I described: [[That One Boss|It would not be fun, now would it?]]

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== The events of Persona 3 and 4 are orchestrated by Igor to bring back Philemon ==

The whole situation in the Persona!Verse right now is that Shadows and other unholy abominations lurk everywhere...but where the hell is Philemon? [[Devil but No God|Shadows but no Philemon?]] [[Have You Seen My God|Dude, where's my boss?]] Igor is very quiet, but he is, after all, Philemon's servant. He must have a plan. Notice that each "true end" leads to the enlightenment of an aspect of humanity...so the final event might bring back Philemon?

The whole situation in the Persona!Verse right now is that Shadows and other unholy abominations lurk everywhere...but where the hell is Philemon? [[Devil but No God|Shadows but no Philemon?]] [[Have You Seen My God?|Dude, where's my boss?]] Igor is very quiet, but he is, after all, Philemon's servant. He must have a plan. Notice that each "true end" leads to the enlightenment of an aspect of humanity...so the final event might bring back Philemon?

* The iconic blue butterfly {{spoiler|Philemon}} does appear more frequently in Persona 4 than Persona 3...

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== Souji/Yu is the love child of Nakajima and Yumiko from [[Digital Devil Story (Literature)|Digital Devil Story]]. And Serph Sheffield is actually Nakajima's pseudonym. ==

[[Fairly English Story (Fanfic)|Souji loathes]] [[Digital Devil Saga|his]] [[Jerkass|father]] so much that he changes his name to Yu Narukami, but his real name truly is Souji ''Nakajima''. Yes, Tropers. Souji "Nakajima" is the son of Akemi Nakajima/Serph Sheffield. Akemi Nakajima changed his name to Serph Sheffield and flew to [[Where the Hell Is Springfield|wherever the hell]] [[Digital Devil Saga]] take place in after he impregnated Yumiko. Although Serph is Varna, Serph Sheffield is not; he ''is'' Izanagi. And yes, that means [[Squick|Izanami gave birth]] [[Mind Screw|to her husband]]. Here, have a [[Brain Bleach]].

[[Fairly English Story (Fanfic)|Souji loathes]] [[Digital Devil Saga|his]] [[Jerkass|father]] so much that he changes his name to Yu Narukami, but his real name truly is Souji ''Nakajima''. Yes, Tropers. Souji "Nakajima" is the son of Akemi Nakajima/Serph Sheffield. Akemi Nakajima changed his name to Serph Sheffield and flew to [[Where the Hell Is Springfield?|wherever the hell]] [[Digital Devil Saga]] take place in after he impregnated Yumiko. Although Serph is Varna, Serph Sheffield is not; he ''is'' Izanagi. And yes, that means [[Squick|Izanami gave birth]] [[Mind Screw|to her husband]]. Here, have a [[Brain Bleach]].

== Shadows of humans in the TV world are fragments of Nyarlathotep ==

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** We can also include the other Persona-users who aren't members of S.E.E.S/Investigation Team (aka. Strega and Adachi). We could really see an example of [[The Bad Guy Wins]] in ''The Ultimate''.

** For the final boss, it would make sense to make either Izanami to be the final boss. Be prepared for her to be [[That One Boss]], though. Why? Look at the many cheap-ass bosses that have plagued the Persona (and to a larger extent, Shin Megami Tensei) series as well as Blazblue (i.e. [[Blaz Blue|Unlimited Nu/Hakumen/Ragna/Hazama]], [[Persona 3|Nyx, Erebus, the Full Moon Shadows, other random bonus bosses]], [[Troll|Unlimited Hazama]], [[Persona 4|Izanami-no-okami, Shadow Yukiko, Shadow Teddie, Shadow Rise, and yet other random bonus bosses]], [[Overly Long Gag|and did I mention bonus bosses and Unlimited Hazama?]]

** And, should Arc System Works be [[You're Insane|insane enough]], include a Blazblue/Guilty Gear (probably the former) just [[For the Lulz]]. Now, let the thought of the Investigation Team fighting Ragna The Bloodedge slowly sink into your mind. (Don't give me bullshit on this one. Since the gameplay of ''The Ultimate'' is somewhat similar to Blazblue, it wouldn't be much of a hassle to simply toss in a Blazblue fighter. And a guy can dream can't he, even though he knows it's pretty much impossible?)

** And, should Arc System Works be [[You're Insane!|insane enough]], include a Blazblue/Guilty Gear (probably the former) just [[For the Lulz]]. Now, let the thought of the Investigation Team fighting Ragna The Bloodedge slowly sink into your mind. (Don't give me bullshit on this one. Since the gameplay of ''The Ultimate'' is somewhat similar to Blazblue, it wouldn't be much of a hassle to simply toss in a Blazblue fighter. And a guy can dream can't he, even though he knows it's pretty much impossible?)

*** Hazama vs. Adachi, the battle of the trolls.

*** Kanji vs. Tager. Its either an [[Memetic Mutation|ass renovation or a GIGANTIC TAGER!]]

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