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* ''[[Pokémon: Arceus and the Jewel of Life/YMMV|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]''
* ''[[Pokémon: Zoroark: Master of Illusions/YMMV|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]''
* ''Victini and The Black/White Hero''
 
* ''Kyurem VS The Swords Of Justice''
* ''Genesect and The Legend Awakened''
* ''Diance and The Cocoon Of Destruction''
* ''Hoopa and The Clash Of Ages''
* ''Volcanion and The Mechanical Marvel''
* ''Pokemon: I Choose You!''
* ''The Power Of Us''
 
== Main Video Game series ==
* ''[[Pokémon Red and Blue/YMMV|Red, Blue, and BlueYellow]]'' and it's remake ''Fire Red and Leaf Green''
* ''[[Pokémon Gold and Silver/YMMV|Gold, Silver, and SilverCrystal]]'' and it's remake ''Heart Gold and Soul Silver''
* ''[[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire/YMMV|Ruby, Sapphire, and SapphireEmerald]]'' and it's remake ''Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire''
* ''[[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl/YMMV|Diamond, Pearl, and PearlPlatinum]]''
* ''[[Pokémon Black and White/YMMV|Black and White]]''
* ''[[Pokémon Black 2 and White 2/YMMV|Black 2 and White 2]]''
* ''[[Pokémon X and Y/YMMV|X and Y]]''
 
* ''[[Pokémon Sun and Moon/YMMV|Sun and Moon]]''
* ''Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon''
* ''[[Pokémon Sword and Shield/YMMV|Pokémon Sword and Shield]]''
 
== Spinoff games ==
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* ''[[Pokémon Colosseum/YMMV|Colosseum]]'' (includes ''XD: Gale of Darkness'')
* ''[[My Pokémon Ranch/YMMV|My Pokémon Ranch]]''
* ''[[Hey You, Pikachu!/YMMV|Hey You Pikachu]]''
* ''[[Pokémon (game)Trading Card Game/YMMV|YMMVPokémon Trading Card Game]]''
* ''[[Pokémon Channel/YMMV|Channel]]''
 
* ''[[Pokémon Go/YMMV|Go]]''
 
* ''[[Pokémon Conquest/YMMV|Conquest]]''
== Manga ==
* ''[[Pokémon SpecialRumble/YMMV|SpecialRumble]]''
* ''[[PokémonPoke DiamondPark and Pearl AdventureWii/YMMV|Diamond andPoke PearlPark AdventureWii]]''
 
== [[Manga]] ==
* ''[[Pocket Monsters (manga)]]''
* ''[[Pokémon Zensho]]''
* ''[[Pokémon Special]]'' (aka ''"Pokémon Adventures"'')
* ''[[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]]''
* ''[[How I Became a Pokémon Card]]''
* ''[[Magical Pokémon Journey]]''
* ''[[Pokémon Golden Boys]]''
* ''[[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure]]''
* ''[[Phantom Thief Pokémon 7]]''
* ''[[Pokémon Re BURST]]''
 
== Stage production ==
* ''[[Pokémon Live/YMMV|Pokémon Live!]]''
 
 
== Fanfic/Other unofficial works ==
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* ''[[Guardians of Pokémon/YMMV|Guardians of Pokémon]]''
* ''[[Moképon/YMMV|Mokepon]]''
* ''[[Pokémon Master/YMMV|YMMVPokémon Master]]''
* ''[[Pokémon-X/YMMV|YMMVPokémon-X]]''
* ''[[Pokémon: Storm Clouds/YMMV|Pokemon: Storm Clouds]]''
* ''[[Pokémon Quartz/YMMV|Pokémon Quartz]]''
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* ''[[The Quest for the Legends/YMMV|The Quest for The Legends]]''
* ''[[We Are All Pokémon Trainers (Roleplay)/YMMV|We Are All Pokémon Trainers]]''
* ''[[A Miscellaneous Tale of Night and Day/YMMV|A Miscellaneous Tale of Night and Day]]''
 
* ''[[Bulbagarden the Fanfic/YMMV|Bulbagarden the Fanfic]]''
* ''[[Challenger/YMMV|Challenger]]''
* ''[[The Darkness Within/YMMV|The Darkness Within]]''
* ''[[Experiment 117/YMMV|Experiment 117]]''
 
== YMMVs that apply to the franchise as a whole: ==
===A-E===
* [[Accidental Innuendo]]: Basically, anyone who talks about Poké Balls.
** In fact, in ''HeartGold and SoulSilver'', when the player first meets Kurt, he says, "(Player), eh? You want me to make some balls for you?"
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** [[Memetic Mutation|Professor Oak]] [http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6z4egUJh61qz8e06.bmp came].
** Magmar and especially Magby's Japanese names: Boober and Booby, respectively! Of course, it was ''MEANT'' to reference birds like the [[wikipedia:Blue Footed Booby|Blue-Footed Booby]], but... [[Freud Was Right|well...]]
*** And Magmortar is '''Boo''b'''urn'''. Ouch.
** The fur in between Reshiram's legs is rather...suspicious and quite an unfortunate design choice.
*** Not just Reshiram. Quite a few Pokémon have a tuft of fur between their legs, like Blaziken and Beartic.
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** Conkeldurr. While it's an ''extremely'' powerful and useful Pokémon (even competitively), it's generally viewed as (and possibly [[Gonk|designed to be]]) ''extremely'' ugly.
*** Its pre-evolution, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Gurdurr_(Pok%C3%A9mon) Gurdurr] may even be more widely hated, because it's just as hideous, if not more, than Conkeldurr, and it's a common annoyance in caves when you're looking for a rare Pokemon or have run out of repels.
** Ash, Ash, ASH. Either he's a lovable kid character and your revered childhood hero, or an immensely annoying [[Idiot Hero]] [[NotComic AllowedBook to Grow UpTime|who'll always be]] [[Kid Appeal Character|ten years old]] and who doesn't deserve to be the second-biggest (unofficial) icon of the franchise behind Pikachu. Generally, Ash shares both his fandom and hatedom with Pikachu (although it's not uncommon to like Pikachu but hate Ash, mostly because there are other Pikachu besides [[The Lancer|his]])
* [[Big "What?"]]: {{spoiler|[http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/May_issue_of_CoroCoro_magazine_leaked '''300''' Pokémon in addition to the original 156 Unova Pokémon are now available]}}. If this happens to be true, then it may turn into something [[Crowning Moment of Awesome|awesome]].
** Also reaction to the situation like throwing 20+ Ultra Balls at paralyzed Zapdos that is put to red HP and ''all'' fail, and then Poké Ball catches it.
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** Even playing the games divides the fans. Either [["Stop Having Fun!" Guys|you play competitively and are "taking the game too seriously"]], or [[Scrub|you play for fun and "can't understand the subtle mathematics of the game"]].
** Believe it or not, on places like [[Deviant ART]] and [[YouTube]], the fanbase is extremely divided over whether [[Pokémon (anime)|the anime]] or [[Pokémon Special|the manga]] is the better series based off of the games.
* [[Character Tiers]]: A heavily present feature in the metagame, and kind of necessary, given that for all of Game Freak's tweaks and additions, some Pokémon still clearly have it better than others. [https://web.archive.org/web/20131031114541/http://www.smogon.com/bw/tiers/ Most communities make an effort to organize the tiers thoughtfully, at least.]
* [[Complete Monster]]: There are a few examples all over the franchise. The video games have Ghetsis in ''[[Pokémon Black and White]]'' and [[Pokémon Black 2 and White 2|it's sequel]], Darkrai in the second set of ''[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]'' games, Purple Eyes in the third ''[[Pokémon Ranger]]'' game, and the Cipher masterminds of ''[[Pokémon Colosseum]]'' and it's sequel ''XD: Gale of Darkness''. The anime has the Iron Mask Marauder from ''[[Pokémon 4Ever]]'', Dr. Yung from ''[[Pokémon: The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon]]'', Hunter J and Cyrus from the Sinnoh arcsaga, Grings Kodai from ''[[Pokémon: Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]'', Xerosic from the Kalos saga, and Minister Alva from ''[[Pokémon: Volcanion and the Mechanical Marvel]]''. And the various mangas across the franchise give us the likes of Sird ''and'' (again) Ghetsis in ''[[Pokémon Special]]'', Charon in ''[[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure]]'', Io in ''[[Phantom Thief Pokémon 7]]'', and the manga adaptation of ''[[Pokémon: Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]'' 's depiction of Marcus.
* [[Crowning Music of Awesome]]: [[Pokémon/Awesome Music|Has its own page]].
* [[Demonic Spiders]]:
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** The Rock-type move "Rollout" hits 3-5 turns in a row and doubles in power every time it hits (85% of the time). Rock is one of the best offensive types, inflicting an additional double damage against the (very common) Flying and Bug types, and resisted only by the (less common) Ground, Fighting, and Steel types.
** Watchog. The entire genus is a walking middle finger to Nuzlockers.
* [[Die for Our Ship]]: Has [[Die for Our Ship/Anime and Manga/Pokémon|its own subpage]].
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: [[Loads and Loads of Characters|Naturally]], the series is full of these.
** Charizard is one of the most recognized and popular Pokémon [[Germans Love David Hasselhoff|in the Western world]], having nabbed 1st place in the IGN popularity poll mentioned above (indicating that it could be the most popular Pokémon among the older male fandom).
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** Despite no actual indication in game<ref>Seriously, there's no actual evidence to prove it, and many of the copy-pasted items that made it a meme often misquote the game or make up stuff whole cloth</ref> and having been ripped to shreds on many a forum, a small band of "fans" are still insistent that the Gen I rival's Raticate died. And that you killed it.
*** Above "troper" fails at impartial reporting. Why would it need evidence, it's a theory about why he no longer has a Raticate. Isn't the pokemon disappearing evidence itself?
 
===F-J===
* [[Fan Dumb]]: Expect lots of this, due to the massively [[Broken Base]].
* [[Fan Nickname]]: Genesect is commonly referred to on 4chan as Dennis.
* [[First Installment Wins|First Generation Wins]]: ''Red'' and ''Blue'' started Pokémania, and if you're too young to remember the [[The Nineties|late '90s]], it was ''huge''. The other games are still among the most popular of their respective consoles (Diamond and Pearl has 16 million copies sold as opposed to ''Red'', ''Green'' (Japan) and ''Blue'''s 20), but when the ''Pokémon'' games are mentioned, the originals are what first comes to mind and are the most iconic, [[Nostalgia Filter]] or not.
* [[Fridge Brilliance]]: [http://pokemymon.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/tumblr_lj0ct9o92p1qzxegjo1_1280.png This]{{Dead link}} is packed full of it.
** Poison Sting seems out of place in Sandshrew's learnset, until you realize that shrews have venomous saliva to some degree.
** Gengar's shape seemed familiar, didn't it? It's Clefable's <s>shadow</s> corrupted, malevolent ghost!
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* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]: Vulpix and Ninetales. They're literally Firefox!
* [[It's the Same, Now It Sucks]]: All of the [[Updated Rerelease|updated rereleases]] and [[Video Game Remake|remakes]] (and to a lesser extent, the first titles in any given generation) have run into a certain amount of these complaints.
 
* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: Team Rocket's Giovanni, Team Galactic's Cyrus, and Team Plasma's Colress are fine examples.
===K-O===
* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: Team Rocket's Giovanni, Team Galactic's Cyrus, Team Plasma's Colress, and the Aether Foundation's Lusamine are fine examples. Lysandre, the boss of Team Flare, has entered this trope in anime and manga adaptations as opposed to the [[Smug Snake]] [[Politically-Incorrect Villain]] status he held in his game(s).
* [[Member Berries]]: One of the biggest recurring criticisms of the sixth generation of ''[[Pokémon]]'' and beyond is them being far too reliant on [[Pokémon Red and Blue|Kanto-era]] nostalgia pandering.
** ''[[Pokémon X and Y]]'' was particularly lousy with this, doing things such as making a Pidgey your mandatory first wild Pokémon encounter instead of one of the Kalos region's original [[Com Mons]], Santalune Forest having the exact same layout and encounter table as Viridian Forest (with a few newer Pokémon thrown in to spice things up), and Professor Sycamore forcing you to pick one of the original three Kanto starters a little after you pick a Kalos starters. Guess which starters get Mega Evolutions? Not the Kalos starters, that's for sure. Most of the legendary Pokémon you encounter are also Kanto legendaries: you chase down one of the legendary birds in the postgame, and Mewtwo is living in a cave in Pokémon Village despite there being no logical reason for it to do so aside from nostalgia pandering. While far from the biggest complaint levied at the game, these references were viewed as awkwardly shoehorned-in and detracted from the Kalos region's unique atmosphere.
** ''[[Pokémon Sun and Moon]]'' ran afoul of Kanto-flavored Member Berries in a different way: the introduction of Alolan forms for older Pokémon. The concept was and still is celebrated for breathing fresh air into old Pokémon by giving them different typings, movepools, and even stat spreads to play around with. But once it became clear that the only Pokémon that would be getting Alolan forms were Kanto Pokémon, they caught a lot more flack for being indicative of Game Freak playing favorites and crippling a mechanic with a ton of potential. Not helping matters is the fact that they're accompanied by the introduction of Professor Oak's similar looking relative Samson Oak, and the protagonist being a Kanto native instead of anywhere else. {{spoiler|Lillie traveling to Kanto so she can start her Pokémon journey}} also caught flack for similar reasons.
** ''[[Pokémon Sword and Shield]]'' would take a few steps back from the Kanto pandering... mainly because Gen 8 dedicated an ''entirely different game'' to it by giving ''Red and Blue'' their second pair of remakes in the form of ''[[Pokémon Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee]]'' which is basically the same games, but tailored to new players and ''[[Pokémon Go]]'' fans with a few references to ''Yellow'' here and there. But even with the ''Let's Go'' games doing the brunt of the Kanto pandering, Champion Leon in ''Sword and Shield'' having a Charizard as his star Pokémon instead of a powerful Galar Pokémon still caused a lot of players to roll their eyes.
* [[Memetic Molester]]: Online interpretations of Drowzee/Hypno lean towards either pedophilia or murder. ''[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Explorers|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]'' doesn't help.
* [[Memetic Sex God]]: Several 'Mons, as well as some of the characters.
* [[Memetic Mutation]]: [[Pokémon/Memes|Gotta a whole page for em now.]]
* [[Mis BlamedMisblamed]]: Despite that a company called Game Freak has had their logo plastered over most (if not all) games with the Pokémon title on it, nobody seems to realize that they are the company that ''actually develops'' the games in the first place, especially the "mainstream" ones that sell the best. Any criticisms with the games get attributed to the publisher, Nintendo. Game Freak seems to have gone over a decade without much credit ''or'' blame for the series.
* [[Most Annoying Sound]]: The [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWTJRLW6uRM critical HP bleeping alarm]. However, in ''Black and White'', it was changed by a new battle theme, with the alarm remixed into the tune, which is slightly more appealing to the ear.
* [[Most Wonderful Sound]]: The sound of a Poké Ball locking shut around a new Pokémon, especially when it's a legendary, as well as the [[Fanfare]]/ditty [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhif3fo6oCU that immediately follows it].
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** Giratina's cry, as well as the fact that it seems to be based on the antithesis of Arceus.
* [[Nintendo Hard]]: You thought getting that National Diploma in White was hard? WRONG! Achieving feat known commonly as Living Pokédex is much harder. It requires to have all species ''at once'', usually in Boxes and in National order. Now how the hell are you going to get all these [[Pokémon Red and Blue|151]]/[[Pokémon Gold and Silver|251]]/[[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|38]][[Pokémon Firered and Leafgreen|6]]/[[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl|49]][[Pokémon Heart Gold and Soul Silver|3]]/[[Pokémon Black and White|64]][[Pokémon Black 2 and White 2|9]] Poké Balls?
 
===P-T===
* [[Periphery Demographic]]: Outside its obvious target demographic, it is also quite popular with young adults that were kids in [[The Nineties|the late 1990s]] when the series was introduced, as well as with [[Otaku]] and JRPG fans in general. It can also be [[Your Mileage May Vary|argued]] that ''Pokémon'' has been the greatest influence on Internet culture out of all mega-media-franchises, considering its popularity on [[Image Boards]] and the number of [[Fountain of Memes|memes]], videos and fan tributes that the franchise has spawned.
* [[Rescued Fromfrom the Scrappy Heap]]: Roost and Brave Bird are two moves that greatly improved the potential of Pidgeot, making it at least able to hurt or last against opponents.
** Pidgeot also got Tailwind, which gave it brief notability until it was made available for a lot more Flying Pokémon in ''HeartGold'' and ''SoulSilver''.
* Dragonite, in gen 3, its [[Overshadowed by Awesome]] by Salamence. In gen 4, it got better, and become a "stronger slower Salamence" since the latter lacks Outrage, until Salamence get Outrage, and even after Salamence ban, it isnt used enough to the extent of Salamence. Then come gen 5, giving it several new moves to play with, better metagame that fit its playstyle, and a new awesome Dream World ability. Nowadays, its considered as the best Dragon Type pokemon in OU, in the same tier where Latios and Latias is allowed.
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** Worth noting that there is quite a [[Silent Majority]]. Many of them simply just like the franchise as is and don't feel the need to scream about it. Or if they don't like certain spinoffs or anime things, they just don't buy them.
* [[The Scrappy]]: Bidoof/Bibarel. Neither were particularly liked, due their rather generic designs and being both [[Com Mons]] and [[Goddamned Bats]].
** [[Rescued Fromfrom the Scrappy Heap|But said generic design ended up being seen as the defining trait]] for Bidoof and led to [[Memetic Mutation]].
** Mr. Mime, Jynx, Probopass and Garbodor are all generally hated by the fandom because of their rather disturbing and unorthodox designs, compounded with the fact that they're useless in competitive play. Despite fans considering Conkeldurr and the Kami trio to be similarly ugly, they get off more lightly because they happen to be [[Awesome Yet Practical]].
*** Ambipom, despite being similarly useful in competitive play, has no such luck, due to being a [[Gone Horribly Wrong|horridly failed attempt]] at [[Ugly Cute]] - it's probably one of the [[Gonk|Gonkiest]] designs in the franchise, especially because of its [[Freud Was Right|disturbingly phallic fingers]].
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** Garchomp is scrappy enough to get him banned in two generation in a row, due to its stats, typing, and evasion ability.
** On low-high tier ends(yes you read it right, low-high tier) theres Electivire and Umbreon back in gen 4. Both are claimed to be too weak in OU yet Noobs used them so much that it become OU where they cant compete. Especialy the former thanks to [[Hype Backlash]](Electivire is a good pokemon on its own right with good stats and coverage, and ability that make it a good partner to Gyarados, much like Jolteon making it seems to be a huge threat. Unfortunately, Super Effective is not same as a KO. And Electivire lacks a powerful STAB move and unlike Gyarados, lacks good stats buffing move as well, combined with fragility means it cant set up anyway). It was so bad that one generation after that, the case is still commonly brought up amongst competitive player.
 
===U-Z===
* [[Uncanny Valley]]: Mr.Mime, Jynx, etc.
* [[Unfortunate Implications]]: Oh boy. You wouldn't ''believe'' the amount of controversy Jynx sparked in the U.S. Let's just say that's the reason why she has a purple and not a black face today.
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** Despite the fact that some legendaries have genders (and can be female), Meloetta, the most feminine-looking Legendary ''of all time'', is genderless like most other legendaries.
** Despite their names, Slowbro, Kingler, Goldeen, Seaking, and Mr. Mime can be of either sex, but since they were introduced before the introduction of gender mechanics, it can't really be helped. Slowking, Kingdra, and Slaking, however, were introduced alongside or after gender mechanics. Though Slaking was saved - at least somewhat so - for those who recognised the pun behind the name.
*** Some of those can be blamed on [[Dub -Induced Plot Hole]], since their original names didn't mention a gender, like Mr. Mime being Barrierd. Not all though, most notably Slowking, who was already Yado'''king''' in Japan despite being introduced on the generation that also introduced genders.
** Eevee is often referred to as a girl, at least partially due to its name, as is anything it evolves into, despite seven-eighths of them being male. Glaceon is particularly feminine in appearance.
** Reshiram and Zekrom are genderless, but both of them have masculine voices in the anime, which undoubtedly means they'll be referred to (and thought of) as male. Adding to this confusion, both of them are also thought of as female on occasion; Reshiram has a feminine design according to [[Word of God]], while Zekrom has wide hips and "cleavage" and also represents ''yin'', which is feminine in mythology (although the latter is being mitigated by Game Freak attempting to [[Rated "M" for Manly|show that Zekrom is the manliest Pokémon ever]]).
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** Team Rocket is based off of the Yakuza in the Japanese version. In the other versions, they are based off of the more locally recognizable Italian Mafia stereotype, even down to the boss being named "Giovanni".
 
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