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*** It is explicitly shown that magic can generate amounts of power comparable to the Big Bang. That was a special case, of course, but even a non-special magical girl who still has to rely on conventional weapons was able to ''rewind time and create GOD in the process''. Think for a second what magnitude of power an ability like this actually implies. No, we have every reason to believe that the magical girl system can serve its intended purpose. Soul Gems/Grief Seeds most likely serve as hypertech containing devices, storing nearly all energy generating during a magical girl\witch lifecycle, so it doesn't obliterate the entire Milky Way galaxy, or something like this.
** There are a couple of things to be considered here:
*** 1)# Kyubey's explanation to Madoka was an extremely simplified one. In fact, he even makes a few small mistakes, since energy and entropy are closely related, but not the same thing. It's quite possible that he/they know more about the universe than we do and he just tried to give an explanation that she would understand.
*** 2)# From a narrative perspective, this is a [[Cosmic Horror Story]]. One of the key points is that the antagonists are not just evil, but too alien to comprehend. Madoka obviously didn't get one iota of his explanation and only cares that they are being sacrificed for something that would in no way, shape or form ever impact them. Remember, Kyubey is worrying about something that will happen along the lines of 10^50 years from now. This may be a big deal for them, but the human race wouldn't care less.
*** 3)# Combining points 1) and 2), we have no clue just what exactly Kyubey is going for. Perhaps the collected energy is not subject to decay and can be stored to fuel one island of civilization inside a dead universe forever. Perhaps they are testing whether the energy can be farmed on a more controlled basis. Perhaps we're already on the brink of heat death and we just don't know it. All that matters for story purposes is that the reasons are outside of human comprehension. What makes Lovecraftian gods so scary is that they are not just evil (because something like Satan's evil, we can still comprehend), but we don't even know why they do what they are doing or whether they can even reason at all. The writers here are going for the same effect.
*** We're really not on the brink of heat-death if the sun's still burning. Any star able to support life would have burned out billions of billions of years before the true heat-death of the universe - current estimates are 10^100 years before the galactic nuclei go cold, which is to the current age of the universe more or less what the current age of the universe is to one Earth year.
** But even if we take for granted that harvesting angst energy will work and our [[Puny Earthling]] knowledge just isn't enough to understand why, why are they going after single individuals and giving them a choice? Given that they have absolutely no understanding of or respect for free will, emotion, or the sanctity of life, wouldn't it be more efficient to make factory farms or put all humans into [[The Matrix]] instead?
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** I buy before the twelfth episode why it has to be pubescent girls. {{spoiler|How about after Madoka's ascension? What's the Incubator's reasoning of only teenage girls now?}}
*** More or less for the same reason, emotions power [[Magical Girl|Magical Girls]]... the stronger they are (emotionally), the more powerful they become. That and the system changed but some things still remain. {{spoiler|Madoka's own wish removed the witches from the equation... nothing more than that. What happens to the girls now is rather up in the air.}}
 
 
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*** Oh, I ''like'' him, I just don't ''trust'' him. He doesn't lie, but he has an annoying habit of never telling the ''complete'' truth unless he's pressed to do so. You always have to ask him the right questions, and as many as you can think of.
*** Same guy from two bullets above, what really bugs me is that how Fran from ''[[Franken Fran]]'' has all the makings of a [[Complete Monster]], but the fans ''swear'' she can't possibly be evil because she doesn't understand human morality. Yet everyone hates Kyubey, who isn't even that bad, when he has the same thing going for him. Am I the only one who sees this as saying [[Double Standard|that having a]] [[Blue and Orange Morality]] [[Double Standard|is a perfectly fine excuse for commiting horriffic atrocities]] - [[Protagonist-Centered Morality|but only if you're the protagonist?]]
*** Also, the timescale. The heat-death of the universe is going to happen, but not for aeons. Humans are at absolutely no risk of emerging to a dying cosmos, but they are at a very real risk of being consumed by the "waste" of Kyuubey's plans, even to the point of extinction. While everything he says in his lectures is true, it seems a lot like a handy cover story for a culture that has found a way to generate cheap, renewable power from the torment and suffering of other species. And an alien empire [[Powered Byby a Forsaken Child]] does veer into [[Complete Monster]] [[Dystopia]] territory. Still, YMMV.
*** Episode 11 confirms that {{spoiler|Incubators have been making contracts with humans since the beginning of time. Who's to say that the heat death of the universe wouldn't have happened a lot sooner if they hadn't?}} I'm not saying he's not an antagonist. I'm just saying he's not a [[Complete Monster]].
*** The big problem with the fandom treatment of Kyubey is that loving to hate him obscures the fact {{spoiler|that either his manipulations were aimed at creating a better world through Madoka from the very beginning, or the series have a plot hole the size of a moon and the creators were stupid by very explicitly giving telepathy of "can constantly scan minds of at least two humans at once without his targets noticing his presence in their brains" level to a character which the main heroine is supposed to '''deceive'''. And as there are no indication that the creators are stupid enough to turn a mere, seemingly throwaway, piece of a dialogue, into such such a gigantic plot hole...}}
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* At first, like many others, I hated Hitomi for "stealing" Kamijou away from Sayaka (tangentally Sayaka, Hitomi, and Kamijou were my least favorite characters in the whole anime that order from least to most hated, but I digress). But then reading others comments that she didn't steal Kamijou cuz he didn't rightfully belong to Sayaka and such I changed my tune...But then I remembered Hitomi didnt even seem to try to make any moves until AFTER he got discharged. That combined with the serious borderline monotone and combative tone(? I think. To me she sounded like she was forcing sayakas hand at last second), still qualifies her for "bitch" status to me, though somewhat saved when she realized Sayaka is dead was partially her fault. ([[Locked Out of the Loop]] be damned.)
** In fairness to Hitomi, she has obligations that probably might make visiting Kyousuke difficult. The same day Sayaka first mentions doing things for Kamijou, Hitomi has to go to like, a tea ceremony thing (or something, I forgot), and Sayaka makes a comment about how being a high class lady has a lot of commitments and responsibilities.
** Not to mention, let's be honest here. According to the nurse, Sayaka was with Kamijou almost all the time after school, apparently leaving only at sundown. (And it's surprising that nobody likened her to a [[Stalker Withwith a Crush]] or something in the hospital - Sayaka is very much '''''NOT''''' an [[Dogged Nice Guy|entitled and whiny]] Nice Girl-tm, but people ain't mindreaders.) Would '''you''' like to go visit the dude/dudette you care for while knowing that somebody else with similar feelings is there, and possibly has been there for '''far''' longer than you? Specially considering that '''you''' have very limited time to drop by as well, and that the other person is dear to you too. This is a no-win situation.
*** And yeah, it's canon that Hitomi comes from a rich and very strict/traditional upper-class family, and as such she had to go to after school classes: tea ceremony, Japanese dance, ''ikebana'', etc. Hitomi herself complains about it since it doesn't let her concentrate in her homework or her friendships. So yeah, can't fully blame her for that one.
 
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** In Episode 11, {{spoiler|Kyubey mentions that Homura has gone through countless time loops to prevent Madoka from being a witch which would indicate that she indeed has gone through more time loops than the five shown in ep. 10}}
*** Countless for ''him''. All he knows is what Homura told him herself or what he could conclude from the informations he had. He has no real idea how many times Homura traveled through time.
**** Homura did seem to mention that her cold personality came from how the people she saw die were too many to count. {{spoiler|As in too many Madokas in too many timelines}}.
* A relatively small one, but how did Kyosuke know the way to Hitomi's house? Since she said she kept her feelings for Kyosuke a secret, I can accept that she'd been visiting him at the hospital like Sayaka was and just asked him not to tell, but he wasn't in school very long between being discharged and her confessing to him.
** It's probably reasonable to assume that Kamijou attended school with them prior to his accident.
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* Hold on a second, Madoka supposedly has the a shit load of power, right? and Kyubey '''has''' to grant any wish. so what would happen if Madoka wished for A: Witches not to exist, or B: '''''kyubey''''' not to exist? Would he (be able to) grant that wish?
** Isn't A exactly what she wished for? And Kyubey said her wish was "treason against the wish itself" but he was forced to grant it anyway. The latter point would have also been granted as later in the episode {{spoiler|Madoka dissapeared from existence and her wish was still intact.}} so Kyubey would have likely been able to grant it, but Madoka isn't spiteful enough to make that wish. She knows the incubators have been a boon to human civilization and they are trying to do what they think is right. So she reworked their game rather than erasing them all.
** Kyubey is a telepath who has no problem with entering girls' minds, as revealed in episode 2 and further hammered in during episode 11. (It also can just outright edit contents of their brains, as there is no other possible explanation for Madoka's temporary loss of all memories of Homura in episode 8). We can safely bet that it mindscans all the girls regularly. Even if it has to grant a wish - which is ''not'' actually confirmed - it will know if a wish is going to be harmful to the Incubators, and simply won't be there to grant it. Particularly true in Madoka's case, as it visited her right before she went to save Homura, when Madoka almost certainly knew what she's going to wish for. The idea that the ending didn't go [[All According to Plan|Exactly As Planned]] by Kyubey is based on the assumption that Kyubey ''ever'' told the girls the true extent of its plans. This is far from a given, when we talk about a being notorious for omitting parts of the truth it isn't directly asked about. As about its motive for changing the system, even assuming that the Incubators have no ethics whatsoever, consider, that its race is supposed to think and plan forward on the scale of billions of years and most likely intends to exist for infinity. However, their current way of generating energy from nothing is inherently risky. Even if the risk of accidentally producing a witch capable of actually threatening the Incubators is infintesimal, it is not zero. It cannot be assumed to be zero, because they are playing with power they do not fully undestand. The main timeline Kyubey should be particularly aware of this, as he has an example of a magical girl capable of screwing with space-time on the universal scale right before him. In fact, had Madoka made ''any other wish'', the entire universe would have been in in peril. Of course her actual wish also meant that the main-timeline Kyubey is going to cease to exist and be recreated, so at the moment of wishmaking itself it is distressed (unless it just failed to pick the correct tone of voice, or wanted Madoka to think she won). Once the wish is done, it becomes calm and contemplative again, even as it witnesses literal end of the universe.
* This is probably just an example of [[Did Not Do the Research]], but why is it that Kyouko's father was allowed to continue to use the church building after the (presumably Roman Catholic) church excommunicated him for his "heretical" ideas? Wouldn't the church heirarchy have simply appointed a new priest for the church in his place instead of letting him take over the building and scattering their parishoners elsewhere?
** Privately owned?
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** My theory: {{spoiler|She doesn't use firearms ''because'' she can't use magical attacks, she uses them ''instead'' of her magical attacks. From what I can see in episode 1, her magical attacks seem to be pretty weak (one direct hit didn't blow a hole through QB like a bullet did later), and she doesn't seem to be able to stop time ''and'' fire her energy balls at the same time. The latter is probably the reason why she only uses her magical attacks as to not reveal her true powers to QB: Her "timestop followed by massive firepower"-combo is so powerful that she never bothered using anything else. Too bad Walpurgis seems to have massive damage reduction...}}
 
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