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** I agree with your justifications but its more likely that the Freelancers were an attempt to produce a Spartan-like soldier without having to do all the modifications and training.

** An intereting point is that the Meta appears to be the collection of [[A Is]] not Maine himself, And the size difference may be explained by his armour as it is quite bulky compared to everyone elses. The Alien DNA can be supported through his mannerisms... the feral style Maine can adopt, the ability to stand up and fight after being shot in the neck. All these can point to come alien DNA. But there are other ways in which these things can be put in. Like (Even though the canonocity of the series is questionable) The Spartan III program with its painkilling affects. But he does seem very capable with that brute shot though... and the cast didn't mention weirdness because Maine was always weird and they accepted it and viewed it as unimportant when compared to everything else.

* Also, cybernetics are no big deal; like when Sarge turned <s>Grif</s> Simmons into one. The biological parts were mostly cosmetic anyways.

** Of course, Tex came back as a ghost too.

== During the time jump they only went a few years into the future. == Think about it, how else is it that pretty much nothing had really changed in the jump. It explains how Sheila wasn't all rusted up by the time they arrived and that the war was still going on. Also why would they have started their whole scheme to control the aliens hundreds of years later.

*** Then again, Sister is a collosal idiot...

** Query: Then how the ****** did Church travel to the past if that was an ordinary bomb?

* Got promoted. Alternatively, Command noticed Tucker's [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]] near the end of Blood Gulch Chronicles, and decided that this new affinity for combat, as well as his unexplained resistance to Wyoming's Temporal Distorter unit, should be put to better use in some special forces program.

* Alternatively, Sarge just killed him.

After the Blood Gulch Chronicles, the Blood Gulch soldiers split up and went to more efficient outposts. Simmons stated "don't ask, don't tell," in season one, so apparently the army doesn't accept homosexuals in this version of the future. They did not accept Donut's flamboyant homosexuality anymore than Caboose's team killing or Grif and Simmons selling their team's ammo to the blues. So, as soon as it was discovered by the army that Donut was gay they kicked him out.

* Or this was part of the experiments that the Director didn't tell the Chairman. The Red Vs. Blue scenarios were designed to "evolve" a totally new AI, continuously have randomized lesser AIs fight each other and weed out survival traits. The problem for the Director was that while the Blood Gulch AI certainly developed distinct traits, they weren't deemed usable; so they resorted to copies of Alpha instead.

In episode 16, there are no such things as ghosts or the supernatural. Which means there probably isn't any such things as soldiers that die and come back to life at the sound of a magical trumpet. They're robots, who's sole purpose is to kill each other over and over to test fighting tactics. The trumpet is what reactivates them, it tells them to reboot. Also, all the robots are run by the AI Sigma. The Alpha is Church, and then we've met Gamma, Omega, Delta, and now Epsilon, but there was one that Washington mentioned that we haven't met yet, Sigma. Sigma represents creativity. What better way to test the creativity part than giving it a bunch of respawning minions and have them kill each other over and over to view different battle tactics.

** What do you mean off-target? Andy's explosive, [[Incredibly Lame Pun|artificial, and a dick]]...I feel dirty.

Church is the Alpha, who got all the aspects of his personalities ripped apart. The meta is gathering all the personalities, so he's becoming closer and closer to what Church once was. Church is gonna kill him, get the personalities, and become his old self. It should be interesting how this will affect him.

The Meta is said to be agent Maine, but who said Tex didn't simply possess him? Tex can exist without a body, so she must be an AI as well, presumably Sigma. She must be trying to gather all the AI to combine them and reform the Alpha. This could be to aid the Alpha, or it could be to rebel against the Alpha, since Sigma is the one for creativity, it/she could be trying to build a completely independent AI.

* [[Jossed]] by the finale. The Alpha was based on {{spoiler|the Director, the original Leonard Church.}}

Caboose because, well, if all the fragments are collected it will be a second Church, like said above. Who is the utmost expert in killing Church? Caboose.

* Grif only is a possibility because Caboose is too predictable. If Wash, Church and Caboose are unable to defeat the Meta, then it falls to the reds. Simmons is too competent, thus unlikely is to. Sarge could, but Grif killing the Meta will only hurt Sarge's mental stability. Thus Grif is the second possibility.

Assuming Vic is an AI fragment, he represents his ability to be a general [[Jerkass]] without being violent and aggressive. Alternatively, he's his passive aggression while Omega is his active aggression.

When he has the chance to fight, Tucker proves to be as tough as freelancer characters such as Tex and Wash, if not more so. And seeing as he was the only person in Blood Gulch to realise Church was an AI, including Church himself, that probably makes him smartest by default. He just seems too competent to be a regular Blood Gulch soldier.

* Since he was never really alive, and the Director has still yet to die, this seems unlikely. And it couldn't have been Alpha-Church, since he's been confirmed as erased by the EMP.

Now, Donut was a normal soldier, albeit a bit dimwitted, when he first arrived in Blood Gulch. After getting Tex's grenade to the head, he was airlifted out to receive medical assistance. After he returned in his new lightish-red armor, he obviously changed.

At the end of Reconstruction, we saw Chruch, the Alpha, go into the Meta, where most of the other AI were stored. This recontructed (hence the title) the Alpha, making him whole again. This would change Church quite a bit, since he's closer to the doctor that created him. He also likely retained the ability to possess, hence why Maine's greed and psychotic aggression hasn't resurfaced. This explains why he's so calmly working with Washington.

Everything the Meta has done are things Church would do, and the way Church would act. He's only fought Reds, nothing out of the ordinary for Church, especially since he missed every shot. Except for punching Doc, but Doc shot first. Also, he's far less aggressive than usual. He seemed hesitant to fight Donut, and only did so when Donut's back was turned. He could've killed Donut any time he wanted to, but he didn't, instead chased Simmons, who is one of the few people that's a threat. He actually seemed to be trying to talk, but for some reason the Meta can't. Washington is the one who's been overly aggressive.

** Further Disproven with North Dakota's face being revealed.

This would explain Washington's sudden transition between ''Reconstruction'' and ''Revelations'' from pragmatic but honorable soldier to kill-happy blood knight. If you contrast Wash's behavior in ''Recovery One'' and ''Reconstruction'' (showing remarkable patience towards the Blood Gulch crew despite their zany antics, sparing South's life the first time they met despite orders to kill her, etc.) with how he acts in ''Revelations'' (with violencing being the first and only solution to any problem, and threatening and yelling at everyone he meets), it seems he's gotten a massive boost in Rage consistent with possession by Omega. Doc even remarks in episode 11 about how ''Revelations'' Washington is so incredibly angry all the time.

*** Thats what this WMG was based on. Both of them are oblivious.

* Also, real Tex or not, she hadn't seen any of them for over a year by that point. It's perfectly conceivable that a name slipped her.

* It seems the only reason the Meta is following Wash's orders is because it needs him to get its hands on an A.I. Once it does, it'll no longer have any reason to listen to Wash, who's likely to suffer a bad case of [[You Have Outlived Your Usefulness]] and [[Evil Is Not a Toy]].

** Simmons: Only assigned to Blood Gulch and the simulation squads because he does poorly on timed tests.

** But that leaves a couple problems as well: How would Alpha survive the "Ehmp" at the end of Reconstruction? What series of events would justify both Tex and Church going into the memory unit not once, but 3 times? Also, there is a little problem with the exact number of engines Rooster Teeth used from Reconstruction-Revelation, as A) I don't remember the exact number and B) that has a direct bearing on the number of "loops" Church has gone through.

At some point early in Season 8, Delta is communicating with Caboose and the others.

Why is Epsilon basically just a copy of Church as we know him from Blood Gulch Chronicles? Why does he fall back into everything? Because Church never died. The entire series, every single bit, is all virtual. It's all in his head. There are COUNTLESS layers of memory.

"GRIF!!! BRAVE!!!! yeah right what the hell are you smoking you dork!, he's a lazy coward who only think's about himself." Is what I here you say, but consider this, during the final battle in Revelations Grif run's RIGHT at The Meta, even if he's screaming in terror he doesn't hesitate one bit and is even one of the first to start attacking the Meta but that's not the best part. The true [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]] comes when Grif LEAPS ONTO THE META'S BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just to steal his Brute Shot away. Remember now that Grif is absolutely TERRIFIED of The Meta and would (correctly) consider such an action to be suicide, and yet he does it anyway, but this isn't just a demonstration of his [[Hidden Depths]] of courage it is also proof of his cunning. Heres proof: now if you watch the part of the fight between Meta entering melee combat and Grif stealing his Brute shot you realise that it Was the Meta's Brute shot that was giving him such an advantage at that point. He used it to take out Simmon's and Tucker and to stop both Sarge and Tucker's attacks, Grif realises this within seconds and, without hesitation places himself in incredible danger in an act that is almost self sacrificing(he doesn't actually die from it but there was a 92% chance tha he would have) just to deprive the enemy of his primary weapon and defense, and give his friend's a chance to win, for this very reason this Troper now bestows upon Grif the title of: [[Magnificent Bastard]]

* This makes sense, since her body might've been damaged in the crash, so she went on as ghost/hologram form. She held back for Blood Gulch squad for Church's sake, but she doesn't know or care about these new red/blue guys, so she let them have it. And then she/they decided to possess the Meta, and it all went downhill from there.

They're simply all in Washington's head. He's still suffering from his case of Cranial Insanistosis thanks to Epsilon, and is, in reality locked away in a padded cell spending his days fantasizing about taking the Director down and getting revenge. Meanwhile, Project Freelancer trods on uninterrupted and undeterred. Agent Maine never became Meta, and he and Agent South are Recoveries One and Two respectively. They're also tracking Omega and Tex, who are still flying around after the launch from Blood Gulch trying to rule the universe.

It explains why they're both nigh unkillable. Also, Dexter Grif is more intelligent than most give him credit for (Church is the only one who sees it, as shown in season 5). I'm gonna guess his father, since his mother was stated to be a bearded woman at a circus. Or maybe that specific freelancer retired/ran away and joined the circus. Enough time has passed, I think, because human Church seen in the video looks pretty young, whereas in the present, he's described as an old man, so freelancer had to be going on for quite some time.

Since the Chairman stated that there was only one AI, then that logically means that Caboose is another fragment of Church. Likely based on the human Church's best friend. Or he could be the Alpha's self esteem. In either case, it also explains why the personalities are so warped; if Caboose is a fragment, then those things are fragments of fragments.

When Church was trying to avert the season three bomb, we see yellow Church. Fast forward to season five, and it's implied that Yellow Church was actually Caboose's mental image of Sister. However, if you look at the group closely, you see can make out a Ghost Church. No real clear reason why one Church would be without a body. Also, the last Church states that he remembers being Yellow Church. Well, that would be impossible if that really were just a figment of Caboose's imagination.

I think that one of the copies of Church decided to help out Caboose's mind. Caboose still had no memory of Church, and he doesn't seem to gain it back until the future. One of the Church's went into ghost/hologram mode and jumped into Caboose's head, and took over as Church's memory. Church stayed in there, maybe because he felt he had no other out of all that. Since Caboose's mind was damaged from having one copy of Church destroyed, Omega forcefully ejected, Caboose is unable to create new memories of people. So, when Caboose finally meets Sister, Church paints himself yellow and takes over as the memory for Sister. Church's work as Church was done, and Caboose had a recreated copy of Church that hides when newcomers come into his head, like the real Church, since it doesn't want to die again. Note that Caboose is no longer obsessed with being Church's best friend (Caboose's mind accepts it when Church says he is, but Caboose never brought it up). This is because the copy that Church made in Caboose's mind knew it wasn't his best friend, and felt that the obsession was wrong. He was however, still very mad that Caboose killed him. Caboose's Flanderization as being a team killer didn't really begin until Halo 2.

Anyways, back on Yellow Church. Well, Church made himself yellow, since he saw that Caboose wasn't forming a new memory. Alternatively, Church was just trying to give Caboose an accurate depiction, making sure he didn't distort her memory horribly, but instead just confused poor Caboose even further (Caboose saw Church painted yellow, and hence why he thinks Sister is related to Church, not Grif. And the story of where Sister's ship came from just wasn't throug.) Or Church got aggravated and shot her, so he had to make a new one so Caboose would know her. Anyway, Yellow Church followed Cobalt Church outside and got thrown into the past by a malfunctioning Wyoming. Thus creating a [[Stable Time Loop]]. Yellow Church just went with the flow, and eventually became the Church that makes it. This means that Church has a couple year boost on all the other characters. However, he doesn't have perfect precognition, since those years were spent in Caboose's head of all places.

This also explains why Sister's memory is so cynical. None of the other memories act like that, and none of them are aware of their own silliness. It's cynical, because it's Church trying to Caboose to understand. Also, spending two years in a place like Caboose's mind just has to wear down your patience.

Now these are the three plot points I predict we will see in Project Freelancer.

1. Because of a quote from agent Washington:

2. Maine’s descent into madness: First a little history: In my theory, Maine was always a perfectionist, he came from an aristocratic background and joined the military because he saw it as a personal test to his own courage and skill, when he is inhabilitated in the most humiliating way possible this is an enormous and unbearable blow to his pride and Maine slowly slips deeper into madness as he becomes desperate for more power, believing that it will help him to regain his lost pride, a mindset encouraged by Sigma (I predict Sigma and Maine’s relationship to be reminiscent of that between Alma Wade and Paxton Fettel). But in the end, Maine realises that his original drive to regain his lost pride has deteriorated into an uncontrollable hunger for power.

....Wait. How the hell did I get a sore throat from typing? And for that matter, why am I typing word-for-word everything that comes into my head.

Oh fuck it

Now let me get to Alpha. Now the Director created Alpha for two reasons, one was practical, but the other was because the Director believed that creating Alpha might finally be the chance to rid himself of these horrible memories. When Alpha is created the Director after a few experiments, begins his torture of Alpha, now we all thought (that includes me) that the Directors torture of Alpha was simply an act of sociopathic callousness, but I now believe that the Director actually saw Alpha as his weaker self, the part of him whose failure had led to Allisons death. And thus the Directors torture of Alpha was the Directors way, in his mind to punish himself for failing to save Allison. He tortured Alpha with horrible Images of Allison suffering and dying. And that’s what I was talking about before, because we will be seeing these images and these images come from the nightmares of the Director himself we will finally be able to see just how fucked up the Directors mind truly is. But then there’s also the story of Tex. As we all know Tex is a by product of Alphas creation, because Allison was such a prominent part of the Directors memories when his mind was copied, Allison came back.

Omega betrays them.

If Church is reliving his memories, then logically at some point Omega will return. After all, when Tex entered Blood Gulch, Omega was along for the ride. The problem? Unlike the projections of the Reds and Blues, this Omega will be sentient. Remember last season when Epsilon-Delta explained all the "memories" of the fragments were living together within Epsilon itself? On that conjecture, Epsilon can remember the Alpha, and thus become a reincarnation of the Church we know and love.

Alright, so I think that what happened (or will happen) was Maine was probably one of the last to join. He climbs to 7th while CT is lagging behind. Then, Maine continues his rise while South falls, and then Tex shows up as a byproduct of the Alpha. Tex and Maine jump up to second and third, while North, York and Wyoming fall, and Wash falls out of the top 6. Carolina, Tex, Maine, Wyoming, York, and North are given [[A Is]], and this runs pretty smoothly...for a while. Carolina is given a second AI because the director is unsure of those below the top group. However, she soon goes crazy...falling down and giving Wash the #6 slot.

He looks way too cool to be human.

The whole mission is another training program. They seem quite incompetent and a little crazy, as well as using UNSC uniforms and equipment.

A) It contains state-of-the-art AI technology. Possibly the technology that'll be used to torture the Alpha into fragments.

C) Perhaps the badass Elite warrior from seasons three and four?

* Maine is already ranked higher than South. During the mission briefing in part 13, if you look at the ranking board you can see he's currently third on the list. For the record, at that time it's currently Carolina, Wyoming, Maine, North Dakota, Washington, York. The Director probably moved him up after the fight with Tex. Still, they might move him up further after the sarcophagus mission.

Secondly, we've already established that Agent Wyoming is a sucky soldier, yet he gets the best gear, while everyone else gets camo and sheilds.Tex didn't know that Wyoming had time looping gear when they fought, which means he must have gotten it after she went rogue.

Thirdly, if the director had direct access to time travel, he wouldn't give it to one of his Freelancers to go off and fight some simulation soldiers, he would use it for himself. If Director Church's engineers knew how to bend time, he would have gone back to save Allison. But it wasn't human scientist that discovered how to alter the temporal plain, it was the aliens. Wether it's the covenant or the forerunners, they figured out some way to bend time, and even managed to make the device small enough to fit inside a helmet. That's why the director hasn't used it yet, becuase his human scientists have yet to understand how it works, they only know how to use it.

Because Tex is already Number Zero.

== Carolina will end up fighting Tex in Season 10. ==

** Nope. Delta was made before that.

That is Church/Alpha, the first body he was put in after fragmentation.

* Back in Out of Mind, we actually saw Church in standard blue armor. True, this was Mark V/VI/whatever armor, but that's only because ODST armor didn't exist back then. If it had, it's entirely possible [[Rooster Teeth]] would have used it.

* He might just be talking about the almighty Spartan [[I Is]], like Master Chief. Spartan [[II Is]] were genetically altered to impressive effects, but they were nowhere near the power of the [[I Is]].

* I really really really want to see this. Double bonus points if they show it vs. Epsilon's original breakdown in the flashback sections.

* This troper is sure that as soon as we hear ''that'' music again, she will outright pee her pants.

== Epsilon will face off with the Director and Counselor. ==

== The pairs of chit-chatting mooks we keep seeing are really the same two guys over and over. ==