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If both characters are playable, both may be [[Jack of All Stats]]. Even if they have the same movesets, they can't be considered [[Ditto Fighter]]s, since they only emulate one other character.
 
In many cases, a game's '''Ryu Andand Ken''' are [[Shotoclone]]s; however, this is not always the case, and not every [[Shotoclone]] is athis Ryu And Kentrope.
 
The Ken might later be subject to [[Divergent Character Evolution]] to differentiate him from the Ryu.
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'''Some games will even expand the concept further with other character types: '''
 
* The ''Sakura'' (no, not [[Cherry Blossoms|that Sakura]], or [[Cardcaptor Sakura|that Sakura]], or [[Naruto/Characters/Team 7#Sakura Haruno|that Sakura]], or [[Sakura Taisen/Characters#Sakura Shinguuji|that Sakura]], or [[Fate stay night/Characters/Masters#Sakura Matou|that Sakura]], or [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica/Characters#Kyoko Sakura|that Sakura]], ''definitely'' not [[Bludgeoning Angel Dokuro-chan|''that'' Sakura]], and not to be confused with the [[Sakura Girl]] trope) is also[[The Chick]]: similar to Ryu and Ken, but is overall smaller, weaker, and usually has less effective attacks. They may add new twists to the attacks to compensate, however, such as [[Fragile Speedster|being faster]]. They will often be female (typically presented as the smaller but faster female counterpart to the male Ryu and Ken), though this is not a universal rule.
* The ''Akuma'' (no, not [[Japanese Mythology|that Akuma]]) is basically the same character type upgraded to a [[Game Breaker]]. He has the same moves, but he will move faster, hit harder, and more often than not has much higher priority for his moves ''plus'' nasty little tricks and variations added to them. They will usually be the [[Final Boss]] or [[Bonus Boss]] of the game before they are playable, and will be [[SNK Boss|hard as hell to beat]].
* The ''Dan Hibiki'' is the [[Joke Character]] or [[Lethal Joke Character]] version. Expect weak yet hilarious attacks.
 
Not to be confused with Ryu and Ken from ''[[Fist of the North Star]]'', who predate the ''[[Street Fighter]]'' games by many years and whose relationship is better defined by [[The Mentor]].
 
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== Fighting[[Anime]] Gamesand [[Manga]] ==
* ''[[Gundam]]'' also is this Trope like Loran and Gym having the Moonlight Butterfly Amuro and Char having the Psyco Frame and Funnels {{spoiler|Hearo and Zech having the Zero System and Transforming Mechs}} Along with Domon and Master Asia having the Same Fighting Skills
* ''[[Code Geass]]'' has Kallen and Suzaku. Their mechs look similar, {{spoiler|and later have the same wings.}}
* [[Mazinger Z]] and [[Great Mazinger]] could actualy be one of the earliest example. Both have exact same kind of weapon, the difference come with Mazinger Z having more ranged based and have less variety of weapons and Great Mazinger has more weapon variety and more melee based weapon than Mazinger Z.
** Mazinger Z's long range weapon is more developed than Great Mazinger, such as the corrosive [[Blow You Away|Rust Tornado]], posession of [[Eye Beam|Koshiryoku Beam]] and [[Freeze Ray|Reitou Beam]] and its detachable wing also function as Throwing Weapon. Later on its upgrade focus on enchancing this by giving the [[Rocket Punch]] a power boost or spinning it before launching the attack.
** Great Mazinger's Great Typhoon lacks the corrosive property of Mazinger Z, and lacks Koshiryoku Beam. In return, it has several melee oriented weapons, and most of them are [[Kinetic Weapons Are Just Better|physical]] such as a pair of Mazinger Sword, Great Boomerang, and Knee spikes and Curved Blade on front of its leg. To make up for this, Great Mazinger also have [[Shock and Awe|Thunder Break]] for long range weapon and his [[Finishing Move]], and Tetsuya makes it up by using his weapon creatively, such as throwing his swords or using Breast Burn to cover his body. His upgrades gives him better capability on both side, since Great Booster function as long range weapon, and gives increase on speed.
** Both [[Grendizer]] and [[Mazinkaiser]] serves as the Akuma, both combines the aspect of two machines and put them on one mecha. Grendizer is more simmilar to Great, while Mazinkaiser is more simmilar to Z.
** Ironically, in [[Super Robot Wars]], Z become more of a mellee based unit while Great become a better sniper unit thanks to his multitude of long range weapons, while Grendizer become [[Jack of All Trades]] and Mazinkaiser become [[Lightning Bruiser]] of the group.
* [[Dragon Ball]]: Goku and Vegeta. Both are full blood Saiyans with similar fighting styles and equivalent attacks, (Kamehameha versus Galik Gun) conflicting personalities and a [[The Rival|strong but respectful rivalry]], and they're always close in power level, constantly competing with each other. Their similarities even let them [[Fusion Dance|fuse together]] at one point. Their sons, Goten and Trunks, also show even more shades of this, complete with the fusion part and inheriting their fathers' moves.
* [[Ranma ½]]: Ranma and Ryoga - Eternal rivals, evenly matched, and even fit the personalities. Ryoga is a stoic chivalrous wanderer like Ryu, whereas Ranma is an arrogant, happy-go-lucky, egomaniac like Ken. The difference being that Ryoga is more powerful, durable, and straightforward, whereas Ranma is swifter, more acrobatic and strategical.
** While many characters see Ranma as their rival, Ryoga is the only one Ranma considers such, they also share an attack (which is their strongest), Ryoga is the strongest character in the series besides Ranma, Happosai and the ocasional Big Bad, they learned their respective second strongest attack from the same teacher (Shampoo's grandmother), Ryoga has beaten Ranma more times than any other character (including Haposai who's supossedly the strongest charater in the series) and he's the only one Ranma trusts enough to willingly fight alongside with.
* ''[[Zatch Bell!]]'' features this for two of the strongest characters in the series; the eponymous [[Shock and Awe]]-based character and his [[Evil Twin]] ({{spoiler|prior to his manga-only [[Heel Face Turn]]}}), and [[Gravity Master]] Brago and Zofis, his first main foe. The latter's spells are based on explosions.
* ''[[Tenchi Universe]]'' has Ken-ohki and Ryo-ohki.
 
== [[AnimeComic Books]] ==
* [[Superman]] and [[Captain Marvel]] have shades of this when they appear together. Since the latter was originally a [[Captain Ersatz]] of the former, it's not surprising.
** Supergirl typically acts as the Sakura to Superman when the two appear together.
* [[X-Men]]: Banshee and his daughter Siryn; both are quite adept at [[Make Me Wanna Shout|sonic attacks]]. Siryn's twist is that she also has a [[Compelling Voice]].
** X-23 is the Sakura to Wolverine in both the comics and [[Marvel vs. Capcom 3]].
* [[Spider-Man]] and Scarlet Spider could count. Justified in that Scarlet Spider is a clone of Spider-Man. Kaine would be the 'Akuma' as he has their powers dialed [[Up to Eleven]]. Spider-Girl(Mayday) would arguably be the 'Sakura'
 
== [[Live -Action TV]] ==
* Peter and Sylar on ''[[Heroes (TV series)|Heroes]]''.
* '''Ken'''dra in ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'' is another slayer roughly Buffy's height, age, and weight with moves similar to Buffy's.
** Later on, Buffy and Faith, Faith getting a [[Incredibly Lame Pun|Faith]] [[Face Heel Turn|Heel Turn]].
** Several characters seem to go through this. Spike and Angel are initially presented as virtual mirrors of one another, but by the end of the series their fighting styles are presented in deliberate contrast.
*** Only if you ignore the fact that Angel has about 50 lbs on Spike and yeah he is also 5 inches taller.
 
== [[Professional Wrestling]] ==
* [[The Undertaker]] and [[Kane (wrestling)|Kane]]. They use the same moves, are [[Kayfabe]] brothers of similar size and general appearance and, at various times, have been the two top guys in the [[World Wrestling Entertainment|WWF/E]] - most especially when Kane first debuted. They also have fairly similar movesets; both being fond of using the chokeslam and tombstone.
* [[Matt Hardy|Matt]] and [[Jeff Hardy]] are another pair in [[World Wrestling Entertainment|WWE]]. Jeff has more daredevil high-flying moves, while Matt is the more solid wrestler, but on the whole, their styles are extremely similar, and they have an on-again, off-again case of [[Sibling Rivalry]] writ-large. Jeff even uses Matt's [[Finishing Move]], the Twist of Fate, as one of his own signature moves.
* [[Hulk Hogan]] and The [[Ultimate Warrior]]—both tall, tanned, musclebound, [[Popularity Power|insanely-popular-and-powerful]] brawler/power wrestlers hailing from the southwestern United States (OK, Warrior's from [[Parts Unknown]], but the man behind the gimmick's from Arizona) with a bodyslam-heavy arsenal and the ability to [[My Name Is Inigo Montoya|hulk up]] in '80s/early-'90s [[WWF]]. Of course, the fans just ''had'' to see them battle each other at ''[[Wrestlemania]] VI''.
** And considering the two involved, the resulting match was more awesome than it had any right to be.
*** Could Macho Man [[Randy Savage]] be a Sakura? Similar style, slightly different moves but same general idea?
* [[Brock Lesnar]] and [[Goldberg]]—both were [[Lightning Bruiser|big, fast and strong]] [[Showy Invincible Hero]]es of their respective brands during the Brand Extension era. The two finally met at ''Wrestlemania XX'', but unfortunately, unlike Hogan and Warrior above, the match was an [[Epic Fail]].
* [[Booker T (wrestler)|Booker T]] and [[Dwayne Johnson|The Rock]]. Somewhat justified due to them being the [[Alternate Company Equivalent]] of each other.
 
== [[ComicsVideo Games]] ==
=== Fighting Games ===
* The ur-examples are the identical fighters from ''[[Karate Champ]]''. Completely identical fighting styles, and they even wore a white and red gi.
* The trope codifiers and trope namers, [[Trope Namer|obviously]], are Ryu and Ken from Capcom's ''[[Street Fighter]]'' franchise, having appeared in every game in the series to date. At first, they started off as clones of one another, having the exact same movesets and being merely head-swaps of one another (because the original ''[[Street Fighter (video game)|Street Fighter]]'' had no scope for [[Mirror Match|mirror matches]], so they needed two identical characters for two-player competition play). During the ''Street Fighter II'' games, their stats, moves, and strategies began to differentiate, albeit little by little each new iteration, but by the time the ''Street Fighter Alpha'' series started they had distinct backstories and extremely similar, but not identical, abilities. Naturally, the series also includes the Sakura, Akuma, and Dan-types as well (Unsurprisingly, the characters with those names).
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** Charlie was originally brought in as a [[Suspiciously Similar Substitute|stand-in]] for Guile during the ''[[Street Fighter Alpha]]'' series, but plays this trope straight when Guile was put back in the roster for the console versions of ''Street Fighter Alpha 3'', (and ''[[Marvel vs. Capcom]] 2'') where they both have identical special moves but different Super Combos. Chronologically speaking, the ''Alpha'' series is set before ''[[Street Fighter II]]'' and Charlie was the one who taught Guile all of his special moves according to his back-story.
* SNK's [[Alternate Company Equivalent]], ''[[The King of Fighters]]'', has Kyo Kusanagi and Iori Yagami. Their movesets were originally somewhat similar (justified in that their ancestors created their respective fightig styles together), with several shared moves; Currently, however, they only have one move in common. Kyo's flames are red, and Iori's are purple due to the [[Deadly Upgrade|Curse of the Blood Riot]]. Iori is much more sadistic, [[Anti-Hero|although not an outright villain]] (even though he likes to break into [[Evil Laugh|evil laughter]] from time to time). Kyo is also the Ryu to Benimaru Nikado's Ken, and the Ken to his father Saisyu's Ryu.
** Non-protagonist examples from the same series are Ralf and Clark, and Mature and Vice. Ralf and Clark, the [[Palette Swap]] heroes of ''[[Ikari Warriors]]'', started out as head swaps with differing intros, winposeswin poses, throws, knockdown moves, effects on one of their shared attacks, and desperation moves. Nowadays, it's hard to imagine these two were ever that similar. Mature and Vice, on the other hand, shared outfits, normal moves, throws, and one special move (a command throw) in their ''{{'}}96'' debut. Like the Ikari Warriors, their ''{{'}}98'' return had them undergo [[Divergent Character Evolution]] such that all that remained the same were their weak punches and throws.
** They are all predated, of course, by Ryo Sakazaki and Robert Garcia in the ''[[Art of Fighting]]'' series.
** [[Generation Xerox|Kim's sons]], [[Playing with Fire|Kim Jae Hoon]] and [[Shock and Awe|Kim Dong Hwan]], however, play very similarly to each other and to their father in [[Garou Mark of the Wolves]].
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* ''Battle K-Road'',an arcade-only fighting game released by Psikyo in 1994, features an entire character roster consisting of head/palette swaps. There are two karatekas, two boxers, two Thai kickboxers, two Jujitsu girls, two sumo wrestlers, two commandos and even two Terminator-like cyborgs. The only character without a head-swap is naturally the final boss himself.
 
=== Other (unsorted by type) Video Games ===
* ''[[Kingdom Hearts]]'':
** Riku and Sora from ''[[Kingdom Hearts]]'', until Riku gets lured to the side of darkness and becomes a [[Rival Turned Evil]].
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* In ''[[Strider Hiryu|Strider]] 2'', Strider Hiryu and Strider Hien. Both use the same techniques, but Hiryu is mostly close-and-personal, while Hien uses [[Precision-Guided Boomerang|throwing weapons]].
* Out of the four playable characters in ''[[Panzer Bandit]]'', [[Kid Hero|Kou]] and [[Action Girl|Kasumi]] have a similar set of skills and attacks, though Kasumi is slighty faster and combo-oriented. There's also [[The Rival|Jin]], who fights [[Mirror Boss|identical to Kou]].
 
 
== [[Anime]] ==
* ''[[Gundam]]'' also is this Trope like Loran and Gym having the Moonlight Butterfly Amuro and Char having the Psyco Frame and Funnels {{spoiler|Hearo and Zech having the Zero System and Transforming Mechs}} Along with Domon and Master Asia having the Same Fighting Skills
* ''[[Code Geass]]'' has Kallen and Suzaku. Their mechs look similar, {{spoiler|and later have the same wings.}}
* [[Mazinger Z]] and [[Great Mazinger]] could actualy be one of the earliest example. Both have exact same kind of weapon, the difference come with Mazinger Z having more ranged based and have less variety of weapons and Great Mazinger has more weapon variety and more melee based weapon than Mazinger Z.
** Mazinger Z's long range weapon is more developed than Great Mazinger, such as the corrosive [[Blow You Away|Rust Tornado]], posession of [[Eye Beam|Koshiryoku Beam]] and [[Freeze Ray|Reitou Beam]] and its detachable wing also function as Throwing Weapon. Later on its upgrade focus on enchancing this by giving the [[Rocket Punch]] a power boost or spinning it before launching the attack.
** Great Mazinger's Great Typhoon lacks the corrosive property of Mazinger Z, and lacks Koshiryoku Beam. In return, it has several melee oriented weapons, and most of them are [[Kinetic Weapons Are Just Better|physical]] such as a pair of Mazinger Sword, Great Boomerang, and Knee spikes and Curved Blade on front of its leg. To make up for this, Great Mazinger also have [[Shock and Awe|Thunder Break]] for long range weapon and his [[Finishing Move]], and Tetsuya makes it up by using his weapon creatively, such as throwing his swords or using Breast Burn to cover his body. His upgrades gives him better capability on both side, since Great Booster function as long range weapon, and gives increase on speed.
** Both [[Grendizer]] and [[Mazinkaiser]] serves as the Akuma, both combines the aspect of two machines and put them on one mecha. Grendizer is more simmilar to Great, while Mazinkaiser is more simmilar to Z.
** Ironically, in [[Super Robot Wars]], Z become more of a mellee based unit while Great become a better sniper unit thanks to his multitude of long range weapons, while Grendizer become [[Jack of All Trades]] and Mazinkaiser become [[Lightning Bruiser]] of the group.
* [[Dragon Ball]]: Goku and Vegeta. Both are full blood Saiyans with similar fighting styles and equivalent attacks, (Kamehameha versus Galik Gun) conflicting personalities and a [[The Rival|strong but respectful rivalry]], and they're always close in power level, constantly competing with each other. Their similarities even let them [[Fusion Dance|fuse together]] at one point. Their sons, Goten and Trunks, also show even more shades of this, complete with the fusion part and inheriting their fathers' moves.
* [[Ranma ½]]: Ranma and Ryoga - Eternal rivals, evenly matched, and even fit the personalities. Ryoga is a stoic chivalrous wanderer like Ryu, whereas Ranma is an arrogant, happy-go-lucky, egomaniac like Ken. The difference being that Ryoga is more powerful, durable, and straightforward, whereas Ranma is swifter, more acrobatic and strategical.
** While many characters see Ranma as their rival, Ryoga is the only one Ranma considers such, they also share an attack (which is their strongest), Ryoga is the strongest character in the series besides Ranma, Happosai and the ocasional Big Bad, they learned their respective second strongest attack from the same teacher (Shampoo's grandmother), Ryoga has beaten Ranma more times than any other character (including Haposai who's supossedly the strongest charater in the series) and he's the only one Ranma trusts enough to willingly fight alongside with.
* ''[[Zatch Bell]]'' features this for two of the strongest characters in the series; the eponymous [[Shock and Awe]]-based character and his [[Evil Twin]] ({{spoiler|prior to his manga-only [[Heel Face Turn]]}}), and [[Gravity Master]] Brago and Zofis, his first main foe. The latter's spells are based on explosions.
* ''[[Tenchi Universe]]'' has Ken-ohki and Ryo-ohki.
 
== [[Comics]] ==
* [[Superman]] and [[Captain Marvel]] have shades of this when they appear together. Since the latter was originally a [[Captain Ersatz]] of the former, it's not surprising.
** Supergirl typically acts as the Sakura to Superman when the two appear together.
* [[X-Men]]: Banshee and his daughter Siryn; both are quite adept at [[Make Me Wanna Shout|sonic attacks]]. Siryn's twist is that she also has a [[Compelling Voice]].
** X-23 is the Sakura to Wolverine in both the comics and [[Marvel vs. Capcom 3]].
* [[Spider-Man]] and Scarlet Spider could count. Justified in that Scarlet Spider is a clone of Spider-Man. Kaine would be the 'Akuma' as he has their powers dialed [[Up to Eleven]]. Spider-Girl(Mayday) would arguably be the 'Sakura'
 
== [[Live Action TV]] ==
* Peter and Sylar on ''[[Heroes (TV series)|Heroes]]''.
* '''Ken'''dra in ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'' is another slayer roughly Buffy's height, age, and weight with moves similar to Buffy's.
** Later on, Buffy and Faith, Faith getting a [[Incredibly Lame Pun|Faith]] [[Face Heel Turn|Heel Turn]].
** Several characters seem to go through this. Spike and Angel are initially presented as virtual mirrors of one another, but by the end of the series their fighting styles are presented in deliberate contrast.
*** Only if you ignore the fact that Angel has about 50 lbs on Spike and yeah he is also 5 inches taller.
 
== [[Professional Wrestling]] ==
* [[The Undertaker]] and [[Kane (wrestling)|Kane]]. They use the same moves, are [[Kayfabe]] brothers of similar size and general appearance and, at various times, have been the two top guys in the [[World Wrestling Entertainment|WWF/E]] - most especially when Kane first debuted. They also have fairly similar movesets; both being fond of using the chokeslam and tombstone.
* [[Matt Hardy|Matt]] and [[Jeff Hardy]] are another pair in [[World Wrestling Entertainment|WWE]]. Jeff has more daredevil high-flying moves, while Matt is the more solid wrestler, but on the whole, their styles are extremely similar, and they have an on-again, off-again case of [[Sibling Rivalry]] writ-large. Jeff even uses Matt's [[Finishing Move]], the Twist of Fate, as one of his own signature moves.
* [[Hulk Hogan]] and The [[Ultimate Warrior]]—both tall, tanned, musclebound, [[Popularity Power|insanely-popular-and-powerful]] brawler/power wrestlers hailing from the southwestern United States (OK, Warrior's from [[Parts Unknown]], but the man behind the gimmick's from Arizona) with a bodyslam-heavy arsenal and the ability to [[My Name Is Inigo Montoya|hulk up]] in '80s/early-'90s [[WWF]]. Of course, the fans just ''had'' to see them battle each other at ''[[Wrestlemania]] VI''.
** And considering the two involved, the resulting match was more awesome than it had any right to be.
*** Could Macho Man [[Randy Savage]] be a Sakura? Similar style, slightly different moves but same general idea?
* [[Brock Lesnar]] and [[Goldberg]]—both were [[Lightning Bruiser|big, fast and strong]] [[Showy Invincible Hero]]es of their respective brands during the Brand Extension era. The two finally met at ''Wrestlemania XX'', but unfortunately, unlike Hogan and Warrior above, the match was an [[Epic Fail]].
* [[Booker T]] and [[Dwayne Johnson|The Rock]]. Somewhat justified due to them being the [[Alternate Company Equivalent]] of each other.
 
== [[Real Life]] ==
* Lions and Tigers. Both are big cats of a similar size that kill prey with a bite to the back of the neck. In fiction where the hero is confronted by a big cat, lions and tigers are interchangeable. In Asia, Tigers are also associated with the same [[Animal Stereotypes|characteristics that Lions represent]] (Pride, leadership, honour etc).
** Don't forget Jaguars and Leopards.
* Hawks and Eagles.{{context|reason=The basketball teams or the birds?}}
* [[The Beatles (band)|Lennon and McCartney]], at first glance, but they developed into songwriters with noticeably different styles by the time ''[[The White Album]]'' was released.
* [[Jackie Chan]] and [[Jet Li]]. Back in the 80s, Jackie and [[Chuck Norris]] also had this kind of relationship, both training under [[Bruce Lee]].
** Jackie is the [[Red Oni, Blue Oni|Blue Oni]] to Norris' Red Oni, but Red Oni to [[The Stoic]] [[Jet Li]].
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