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* [[Complete Monster]]: Cancer Deathmask, indeed. {{spoiler|He kills people right and left constantly and casually, and sometimes ''without even noticing'', ''children'' included. Seiya's look of utter ''revulsion'' when he discovers ''that'' and has to explain it to the blind Shiryu constitutes [[Nightmare Fuel|quite the scene]], as well as how nonchalantly Deathmask shrugs it off.}} His pinnacle of monstrosity comes when {{spoiler|he attempts to kill Shiryu's adoptive sister Shunrei, sending the always calm Shiryu into such a [[My Name Is Inigo Montoya]] moment that the scene becomes Shiryu's [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]] since it's the first sight of a ''[[This Is Unforgivable!|seriously]]'' ''[[Unstoppable Rage|pissed off Shiryu]]'' - and it's self-admitted, too! }}

** That isn't even everything Deathmask had to offer in sense of being a [[Complete Monster]]. In the ''G Saga'' mangas, an enemy that entered the House of Cancer notes the ''thousands of human faces exposed on his walls like trophies''. He also says that the general feeling of the place was as if the faces were screaming in agony, but Deathmask appears and politely disagrees with him, saying it's not agony, but ''euphoria''.

** [[Magnificent Bastard|Delta Megrez Alberich]] from the Asgard Saga also qualifies as this. Easily the only ''unsympathetic'' Odin Warrior without anything similar to [[Pet the Dog]] moments, as well as incredibly manipulative and selfish. To the point that while all other God Warriors fought for Hilda's sake, truly thinking they were doing the right thing, Alberich knew ''exactly'' what was going on and planned to kill everyone involved, so he could retrieve the seven Odin Stones to {{spoiler|resurrect the Odin Cloth and ''kill Hilda himself''}}.

* [[Crowning Music of Awesome]]: The North American dub's theme song was [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ7NVjZ-Eyg I Ran]

** ''I Ran'' as covered by [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqcULdDQmR0 Bowling for Soup], in fact.

** ''Pegasus Fantasy'', too.

** [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xyj9DYtv2w ''Dead or Dead''], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5yXlx332M0 ''Soldier Dream'' ], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiCH4UJNjj4 ''Saint Legend''], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEnreRtioNo ''Glide Pegasus''], pretty much every piece in the soundtracks takes the cake.

* [[Die for Our Ship]]: The Hyoga/Shun shippers are ''ferocious'' towards Freya.

** And the Seiya/Shaina shippers ''hate'' Saori.

** Don't forget the Shiryu/Seiya and Shiryu/Mu fans that bash Shunrei, or the Saori/Seiya fans that hate on Miho ''despite'' how the poor [[Shy Blue-Haired Girl]] is firmly put in the [[Unlucky Childhood Friend]] role.

* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: Shiryu constantly tops the popularity polls in Japan when the manga was published.

** The Gold Saints, definitely. Most fanfiction is about them.

** Ikki may not be big in Japan, but he certainly is in the West, particularly South America, where he is regarded as the [[Rated "M" for Manly|manliest]] of all (and I mean, ALL) the Saints.

*** Speaking of South America, after Scylla Eo was revealed to be from Chile (more exactly, from [[wikipedia:Isla San F%C3%A9lix|Isla San Felix]]), he became quite the hit between Chilean fans. If you go to Tumblr, you'll see that this has reached [[Memetic Mutation]] levels, as some Eo photosets have him [http://confesiones-saintseiya.tumblr.com/post/18616646190/y-shun-no-entendio-ni-una-palabra-de-lo-que-dijo speaking in Chilean Spanish slang.]

*** Something similar happens in Brazil, homeland of Gold Saint Aldebaran.

* [[Fanon Discontinuity]]: Got plenty of them to choose from. Some fans might refuse to acknowledge Episode G as being part of the canon Saint Seiya universe, others might do the same or add to the discarded list the Lost Canvas. Some fans can write out of their minds characters used during fillers or specific to the anime or manga. And then you have the movies. You can add to that the [[Let Us Never Speak of This Again|Hades, Inferno and Elysium OVAs.]]

* [[Fanon]]: Due to the age of the series and the fact that it was posted on the Internet more than ten years ago, a ''lot'' of people actually believe that Deathmask's real name is "Angelo". It's a deliciously ironic name, granted, but it's not stated anywhere in the actual series.

* [[Fan Nickname]]: Many fans affectionately dub Shiryu as the "walking blood bank," for obvious reasons.

** Shaka despite of his charisma and seems nothing is ridiculous about him can't escape from how alike he looks with barbie or Ai Minako/ Sailor V. It's a common nickname for Shaka that he is a life size barbie.

** And Camus... Oh Camus, he gets too many nicknames that are all ice related. Some are [[Incredibly Lame Pun|cool]] and some are downright ridiculous. He even dubbed affectionally as penguin for who knows why?!

** Can't forget Deathmask. His lack of a proper name has had fans coming up with various hypotheses. One of the most popular is Carlo.

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* [[Ho Yay]]: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkF0JqwIvJ0#t=2m08s Episode 59]<ref>59? What if it were [[Rule 34|69]]?</ref> is extremely guilty of this, as Shun volunteered to warm Hyoga's frozen body in the Libra house with his own body, and how! Can you blame the [[Yaoi Fangirl|Yaoi Fangirls]]? And no, even if you don't see much slash ship tease (as this series was done ''before'' the [[Ho Yay]] subtext years), you can't deny that the fandom loves their [[Ho Yay]] and denying it it's as useless as using a hand to block the sun.

** Most Silver Saints proclaim that they are out to avenge Misty [[And Zoidberg|and the others]]. One wonders: "How come he was so popular?"

* [[It Was His Sled]]: You'll [[Sarcasm Mode|never guess]] who Hades vessel was on Earth.

* [[Magnificent Bastard]] {{spoiler|Saga, under the effects of his [[Split Personality]]. Debates are wild over whether it could be Hades, though this has never been explicitly stated (manga vol 13 shows a soul leaving a cleansed Saga ; manga vol 26 showed Shun getting black hair and Ikki pointing out the same thing happened to Saga), though [[Word of God]] seem to imply that Saga always was this screwed up all along. Probably a case of author changing his mind at some point.}}

** Also, Shaka. Holy COW, Shaka. {{spoiler|And his [[Heel Face Turn]] does ''not'' make him [[Guile Hero|less manipulative]].}}

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** From the Latin American Spanish dub: "DANCEN ROSAS PIRAÑAS, AAAAAAHHHH!" ("DANCE, PIRANHA ROSES, AAAAAAHHHH!", a parody of Aphrodite [[Calling Your Attacks|calling his Black Rose attack]]), "MUERE SEIYAAAAA!" ("DIE, SEIYAAAAAA!", which was delivered by {{spoiler|Saga}}'s LA-VA in an ''extremely'' [[Large Ham|hammy]] manner), and a [[Gag Dub]] of the first OP that parodies the [[Ho Yay]] in the series (damn, why can't I find it on Youtube...? T_T).

*** The "DIE, SEIYAAAAAA!" meme exists among the Portuguese-speaking fans as well, complete with a short video of Saga's Brazilian VA delivering the line - [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuVtaSIzCfw with a twist]. You know it's a meme when even [[Dragonball Z|Adult Goku]]'s VA [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udORtVhTRn8 says it]!

** What, have you forgotten [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pnl_-KeXa4 "ANOTHER DIMENSION"]?

* [[Moe]]: Shunrei

* [[Most Annoying Sound]]: Seiya's voice when he was younger, almost more annoying than Crow Jamian's.

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*** One of the earliest [[Tear Jerker|Tear Jerkers]] goes to HELL by pretty... [[Off-Model|questionable perspective shots.]] When {{spoiler|Esmeralda is fatally struck down by her own father}}, we see {{spoiler|Ikki}} rushing to the victim's aid... and we see him running towards her from ''below'', as if there was a camera underneath the scene. This gives the impression that the crying {{spoiler|Ikki}} is pretty much swimming in air or crawling to her air, thus making the impact of the scene go POOF.

** Also, many of the Cloths (of all kinds) have very... special designs. Or look really odd when worn. A [[Narm|Narmtastic]] example is one of the Spectres, Deadly Beetle Stand... who, well, [[Exactly What It Says on the Tin|looks like a real life beetle]]. Or a [[Pokémon|a Pinsir]]. What The HELL was Kurumada thinking?!

* [[Needs More Love]]: In North America.

* [[Never Live It Down]]: One would think that Shiryu is only known for losing his sight.

* [[The Scrappy]] / [[Designated Protagonist Syndrome]]: Seiya, because his victories never come from power, skill, or strategy, but simply [[Determinator|continuing to fight]] [[Only a Flesh Wound|beyond any reasonable limit]] ''every damn time''.

** There are so many people hate Seiya for reason stated above, and it seems many people forget Seiya [[Indy Ploy|keeps doing analysis in the first part of the series]] about saint's fighting style. He is the one who figure it out how Misty's attack works and even Aldebaran's Great Horn. Off course most of this analysis come from Marin's teaching. Yes... in the last part of the series Kurumada seems stop doing it to focus more to the plot. BUT that's doesn't mean Seiya is the most pathetic one especially if one can remember he DIDN'T forget not even a single thing that Marin taught him for years!!! Some may not be a fan of Seiya, but he DESERVE some justice.

*** Indeed. In fact, we even see Seiya employ different strategies against Sea Horse Baian and Harpy Valentine, two characters who show up in the series' middle and final arcs. When against opponents who are on his level, Seiya has one of the best strategic minds out of anybody. It's when he's completely outclassed that he resorts to just spamming the same attacks over and over until he finds a hole in his opponent's moves to exploit.

** Saori is reviled by "fandom feminists" who hate how she prefers to act as [[The Strategist]], use her [[Healing Hands]] and become a [[Barrier Maiden]], rather than being an [[Action Girl]] like the female Saints. This apparently makes her [[What Measure Is a Non-Badass?|"an useless Load and Distressed Damsel without any value for the show"]]... nevermind that [[Classical Mythology|the *real* Goddess Athena]] (Goddess of '''Strategy and Defensive Warfare''') acted like that in Greek mythology, [[Mentor Archetype|guiding the heroes]] and [[The Strategist|planning their strategies]] rather than fighting unless it was really needed, and that Saori herself ''always'' was the one to deliver the [[Finishing Move]] on the [[Big Bad]], ''after'' going through lots of crap to help the guys as much as she can.

*** The entirety of the Hades Chapter was [[Guile Hero|Athena]]'s risky [[Batman Gambit]] in relation to (at least) Shaka, the three uncorrupted [[Back ~~From~~ the Dead|Dead Saints]], [[Big Bad|Hades himself]], and her beloved Bronze Saints. With a dash of [[Xanatos Speed Chess]] once she was down in the Inferno. And this is just an ''overt'' example.

*** The entirety of the Hades Chapter was [[Guile Hero|Athena]]'s risky [[Batman Gambit]] in relation to (at least) Shaka, the three uncorrupted [[Back from the Dead|Dead Saints]], [[Big Bad|Hades himself]], and her beloved Bronze Saints. With a dash of [[Xanatos Speed Chess]] once she was down in the Inferno. And this is just an ''overt'' example.

** We also have, among the Golden Saints, Pisces Aphrodite being bashed for being a ruthless [[Gorgeous George]] who [[Suck My Rose|fights with poisoned roses]] and not with hand-to-hand techniques.

*** Speaking for every boy in Latin American who was a Pisces during the '80s and '90s, the month they aired his episodes were extremely embarassing for us. Even Virgo's got off well compared to us. Heck, they may have got the best one! '''<small>* Sulk* </small>'''

*** The Hades Saga even seem to confirm both as Scrappies. Both Aphrodite and Deathmask go down like chumps early in the Hades chapter, and get re-re-re-killed by one of the Judges upon arriving in the underworld with a single attack. Sure, they {{spoiler|had also gone good along with the other resurrected saints and were trying to get close to Hades to kill him, but both were disposed of as quickly as most second string Spectres.}}

*** Aphrodite's rose attack was the source of an absolutely hilarious [[Memetic Mutation]] in Latin America. "DANCEN, ROSAS PIRAÑAS, AAAAAAH!"

** And last, Shun is a Scrappy for being [[The Chick]] in the [[Five-Man Band]] and a [[Technical Pacifist]] with girly looks and a pink armor. He's kinda [[Rescued ~~From~~ the Scrappy Heap]] in the Hades Saga, but still has lots of haters.

** And last, Shun is a Scrappy for being [[The Chick]] in the [[Five-Man Band]] and a [[Technical Pacifist]] with girly looks and a pink armor. He's kinda [[Rescued from the Scrappy Heap]] in the Hades Saga, but still has lots of haters.

*** Poor Shun was doomed from day one. His Andromeda cloth had ''boobs.''

*** In France, the dubbing made it even worse. Shun was actually voiced by a ''[[She's a Man In Japan|woman]]'' in the very first episodes, until the dubbing studio realised he was Ikki's brother.

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