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Old, old method of playing games. Basically, you save the game whenever you get a result you like, and restore the saved game whenever you get a result you ''don't'' like. It could be because the game demands [[Trial and Error Gameplay]], or perhaps you have a limited number of tries to get the [[Random Number God|RNG]] to get a favorable result. Or maybe you're just not that good at the game. Although sometimes, it's the only way to even win a [[Luck
In a somewhat less depressing way, this might still be practiced if a game has [[Multiple Endings]] with identifiable branching points. Not all games with several endings have [[New Game
▲Old, old method of playing games. Basically, you save the game whenever you get a result you like, and restore the saved game whenever you get a result you ''don't'' like. It could be because the game demands [[Trial and Error Gameplay]], or perhaps you have a limited number of tries to get the [[Random Number God|RNG]] to get a favorable result. Or maybe you're just not that good at the game. Although sometimes, it's the only way to even win a [[Luck Based Mission]], no matter how good you are, or it's the only way to get a very rare item. And woe befall you if you save a game after a non-obvious error that makes the game [[Unwinnable]]. Seasoned savescummers will make multiple saves throughout the game so they can go back to the part that they messed up on.
▲In a somewhat less depressing way, this might still be practiced if a game has [[Multiple Endings]] with identifiable branching points. Not all games with several endings have [[New Game Plus]] as an option, and even if they do, sometimes you just don't want to run through the entire game for the sake of another ending. Saving before the branching point(s) lets you go back through from where it twisted at your convenience.
Some games modify this by giving you limited amounts of saves (similar to [[Video Game Lives]] but perhaps allowing some strategy), bonuses for low numbers of saves, or immediately erasing/saving a game whenever you die or do something important (Iron Man mode). Some games kick it up to 11 by actually detecting whether you cheated by Save-Swapping, trying to obfuscate the game which deletes a saved game by manually putting back a copy of the said save file right after deletion by the game into its save folder. Even worse, wiser games will even call you out for actually trying to feed it an invalid saved file!
The term
Other games, however, especially Japanese-made games designed with the "maniacs" in mind, not only validate it as a tactic, but make it utterly mandatory for [[One Hundred Percent Completion]]. The [[Infinity
''Much'' easier (and more tempting) to do with emulators, which often have save state features that allow the player to instantly backtrack anywhere, anytime, making the lives system pointless. This and other emulator features are used to put together or practice for "perfect" runs of pattern-based video games, especially 2D shooters. [[Platform Hell]] games are made with this in mind (with [[Kaizo Mario World|horrifying results]]), and [[Speed Run]] players use this to get the exact sequence of events required to make absolute fastest time. These are called "tool-assisted speedruns", and the divide between savescummed and classic speedruns is vast. The gamers on both sides defend their position vehemently.
Sometimes known as "Saveweaseling", using "Wand of Save/Load", or "[[Zero Punctuation
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* In the [[Star Trek
* In the ''[[
* In an episode of ''[[
== [[Film]] ==▼
* The movie ''Next'' essentially featured a character capable of doing this in real life. Being able to see two minutes into your future has its perks...▼
* ''[[Doctor Strange (2016 film)|Dr Strange]]'' learns to do this with the Eye of Agamotto.
=== [[4X]] ===
* A lot of single-player strategy games fall into this too. About to start a war? Not sure you'll win? Just make a save, and if you don't, go back to the save! This can get to the point of saving before every single battle or combat, because of the inherent wackiness of the [[Random Number God|Random Number Generator]]. The ''[[Civilization]]'' series is a prime
** Some strategy games deliberately save the state of the RNG along with the game to prevent
*** Including the aforementioned ''Civilization''... The "Spearman vs. Tank" .gif comes from the multiple [[Geo Effects|terrain bonuses]] defending units may receive, up to around 200%, where the spearman's 2 defence reaches 6, while a tank has 8 or so in attack, giving the Spearman a 3/7th chance of survival.▼
*** ''[[Sid
*** ''[[
** [[Lampshade Hanging|Lampshaded]] in the instruction manual of ''Rome: [[Total War]]'', which mentions returning to an earlier save when something goes wrong, "not that you'd ever do that, of course". Incidentally, it comes with a form of the aforementioned RNG saving, with the interesting twist that occasionally, you actually end up getting worse results when you reload.▼
*** Games of the series as early as MTW have also included a "save right now" button on the pre-battle interface. It's actually recommended you make use of it, not because you're a scumming scum (you aren't, are you ?) but because the games have a nasty tendency to crash before, during or after real-time battles.▼
** ''Civilization Revolution'' goes further and ''sabotages'' the RNG when you save. You are almost guaranteed to lose the next battle, even if you have a clear advantage.▼
** However, notice how
*** ''[[Sins of a Solar Empire]]'' is even kind enough to autosave every few minutes against the AI. In a NEW save. After a lengthy game (and the games tend to be pretty lengthy) and you notice you're done for, you can experiment with your particular save library of that skirmish to look for the one that's early enough to allow you to turn the tables.▼
=== [[Action Adventure]] ===
* A lot of old school [[Nintendo Hard]] games are ''much'' more pleasant using this. A perfect example is the original ''[[Castlevania (1986
** On the subject of Castlevania, in ''[[Portrait of Ruin]]'', there are specific items and skills that can only be obtained in the Nest of Evil. if the player does not receive the item, they can simply suspend the game and restart, allowing them to refight the enemy without having to go through the entire floor again.
* ''[[Majoras Mask]]'' tries to avert this by requiring you to reset time in order to save, thus undoing all the minor details you'd accomplished. However, you can also talk to an owl
* ''[[Indiana Jones and
* Any of the [[Star Wars]]: Jedi Knight series. Every Sith (or Jedi, occasionally,) you come across can and will insta-kill you. Likewise, you might run them through just as easily, and while there are certainly ways to play smart, the smartest by far is to tap your quick save and dive screaming at the guy. At tougher difficulties, this is the
* ''[[
* Averted in [[Kid Icarus: Uprising]], where your choice to take on a chapter is automatically saved, and if the game is reset/turned off for ''any'' reason (attempted
=== [[Adventure Game]] ===
* [[Sierra]]'s classic [[Adventure Game|adventure games]] seem to have been designed with this practice in mind:
** Wandering opponents, monsters, zombies, etc. could appear in two or three set unique locations in ''[[King's Quest I]]'' (but not in any other Sierra game), requiring the player to evade them using the same keyboard controls used for normal exploration. This is trivial if you keep to the edge of the screen. On the other hand, ''[[Quest for Glory]]'' has ''actual'' wandering monsters, but allows the player to fight back.
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*** The "Slots o' Death" in ''[[Space Quest]] 1'', which Roger Wilco must use to earn money for a ship and pilot robot. When the machine turns up a set of three skulls, [[The Many Deaths of You|poor Roger gets reduced to vaporized ash]] for the cleaning robot to sweep up and dump outside in a pile. This was fortunately simplified in the [[Enhanced Remake]], where you could use an item to rig the slot machine in your favor and earn the required money without risking Roger's life in the process.
*** Or the first ''[[Leisure Suit Larry]]'', where the player is left at a casino with only enough money for a single minimum bet and must gamble until he has enough money to finish the game, making it impossible to complete without save scumming.
*** But not in ''[[Codename:
*** You could save and reload during the poker game sequence of ''[[Police Quest]] 1'', but in the remake they disabled the save feature during said game. It's just as well, since in the remake you have the option to skip the poker game anyway.
*** Also required to an extent in ''Déjà Vu'', where the only way to collect quarters (which you will need ~50 of to pay cab fares) is by betting on a slot machine with random results.
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*** For example, if the player hasn't collected all the items to survive the upcoming labyrinth puzzle in ''[[King's Quest VI]]'', they will be allowed a chance "to prepare" before returning to the area.
*** If the player refuses to purchase a Saurus enough times in ''[[Quest for Glory II]]'', the game will eventually give a [[Game Over]] for [[Spoiler|undisclosed reasons]].
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* Parodied in [[
* Lampshaded in the fifth [[Strong
* This is the only way to beat the old [[Infocom]] [[Interactive Fiction]] games. The worst examples being the two [[Douglas Adams]] entries, ''[[The
** ''Hitchhiker's Guide'' is a good poster child for the multiple-save version of this trope, since there were many occasions where if you didn't do something precise and arbitrary at the beginning of the game, a thousand moves later you would inevitably lose. Example: Near the beginning of the game, you are carrying a cheese sandwich and you pass by a dog. {{spoiler|If you feed the sandwich to the dog, it will ignore the miniature attacking space fleet on which, several brain-warping phases of the game later, you are a passenger. Otherwise, you'll get eaten.}}
** Saves are there to be used before trying risky stuff. Or, in the more difficult games, before anything. And there are often crazy things that will end your game, but in an entertaining manner if you try them. If you save beforehand, you get to see what they are with no risk.
*** In the [[Douglas Adams]] game, it is possible to kill yourself, punch yourself, and a myriad of other commands. There must be a list out there somewhere.
** This was deliberately parodied in [[Infocom]]'s ''[[
* A lot of people play ''[[Ace Attorney]]'' games like this. Don't know what evidence to pick? Just pick 'em all through trial and error. You'll eventually pick the right one. This is especially useful when set up with a choice of something like "keep asking" or "I'm done". This completely averts the penalty system. However, they made some events difficult if not ''impossible'' to save scum, not by changing the save mechanics but by arranging the dialogue so that the first few sentences are the same, whether you got it right or wrong. Anyone using the tactic would theoretically load their save immediately after seeing the first sentence.
* ''[[Ghost Trick]]'' has this as its central mechanic. The protagonist can go back four minutes before someone died and manipulate objects to prevent their death. Fail to do so, and it automatically rewinds, with commentary on how the characters failed. The player can also do it manually.
=== [[Beat
* While not required to complete the game, Save Scumming is a vital method of getting Pure Platinum awards in ''[[
=== [[Driving Game]] ===
* Some of Codemasters' latest racing games (specifically ''Race Driver: Grid'' and ''Colin McRae: DiRT 2'') feature a built-in savescumming system, where the player can pause the race at any moment to go into Instant Replay mode, pick any moment in time from the last ten or so seconds, and rewind time to that moment and keep racing from there, the limit for how many times they can do this depending on the difficulty level they're playing at.
=== [[First
* ''[[
* Another gambling example courtesy of ''[[
** Getting the "Brass Balls" achievement, which requires you play on Hard difficulty with the Vita-chambers disabled, pretty much necessitates frequent saving of your progress. Since you cannot respawn, you get sent back to your last save point when you die, and the game only auto-saves whenever you enter a level, so manual saves are a must, especially when coming up to major encounters like Big Daddies.
* Not a necessity, but this practice certainly helps to make it through some of the harder parts of ''[[
* ''[[
=== [[
▲* A lot of single-player strategy games fall into this too. About to start a war? Not sure you'll win? Just make a save, and if you don't, go back to the save! This can get to the point of saving before every single battle or combat, because of the inherent wackiness of the [[Random Number God|Random Number Generator]]. The ''[[Civilization]]'' series is a prime offender -- there are gifs abounding with [[Implacable Man|a spearman emoticon]] celebrating victories over stacks of tanks for a REASON.
▲** Some strategy games deliberately save the state of the RNG along with the game to prevent [[Save Scumming]]. Most of those are polite enough to allow you to turn the feature off, though.
▲*** Including the aforementioned ''Civilization''... The "Spearman vs. Tank" .gif comes from the multiple [[Geo Effects|terrain bonuses]] defending units may receive, up to around 200%, where the spearman's 2 defence reaches 6, while a tank has 8 or so in attack, giving the Spearman a 3/7th chance of survival.
▲*** ''[[Sid Meiers Alpha Centauri]]'' has optional RNG state saving. (Shameless players can change the order in which they move units to allocate the random numbers differently.) It also features an "Iron Man" option that only allows roguelike save-on-quit, although you can scum around it if you're feeling pointless.
▲*** ''[[Master of Orion (Video Game)|Master of Orion]] II'' saves its pseudo RNG, but simply moving to different squares or taking a different turn order in a combat changes things to let you game whether or not you successfully capture Antaran vessels and which of their sweet, unique technologies you learn when scrapping them or when taking Orion.
▲** [[Lampshade Hanging|Lampshaded]] in the instruction manual of ''Rome: [[Total War]]'', which mentions returning to an earlier save when something goes wrong, "not that you'd ever do that, of course". Incidentally, it comes with a form of the aforementioned RNG saving, with the interesting twist that occasionally, you actually end up getting worse results when you reload.
▲*** Games of the series as early as MTW have also included a "save right now" button on the pre-battle interface. It's actually recommended you make use of it, not because you're a scumming scum (you aren't, are you ?) but because the games have a nasty tendency to crash before, during or after real-time battles.
▲** ''Civilization Revolution'' goes further and ''sabotages'' the RNG when you save. You are almost guaranteed to lose the next battle, even if you have a clear advantage.
▲** However, notice how [[Save Scumming]] can be a "clean" time-saver in many [[RT Ss]] in both campaign mode and skirmish mode. After all, it can be agravating to restart a mission and do these initial 5 or so minutes of base-building the EXACT SAME WAY again and again, until you don't happen to lose at the massive AI attack 10 minutes in. It is actually very common in [[RT Ss]] for gamers to save just after finishing the main actions of initial basebuilding, and also after doing some advanced basebuilding as well if they know they'd act the exact same way up to that point.
▲*** ''[[Sins of a Solar Empire]]'' is even kind enough to autosave every few minutes against the AI. In a NEW save. After a lengthy game (and the games tend to be pretty lengthy) and you notice you're done for, you can experiment with your particular save library of that skirmish to look for the one that's early enough to allow you to turn the tables.
== [[Hack and Slash]] ==▼
* Offline players in ''[[Diablo]] II'' can save scum by manually copying the save files to other locations or just flagging them "read-only" and removing the attribute once the desired results have been achieved. Particularly useful for the otherwise expensive and unrewarding gambling.
** In the first ''Diablo'' game, you could save scum the normal way.
** In [[Spiritual Successor]] ''[[Hellgate
=== [[Platform Game]] ===
* The entire ''[[Masocore]]'' genre, by definition. Save scumming is ''intended behavior'' in many of these games.
* ''[[New Super Mario Bros
** It doesn't help that while there are a few stages where being Mini Mario is downright necessary, there's also quite a few where it just makes everything easier (any stage where walljumping is needed, for instance, due to Mini's increased range).
** And again in ''[[New Super Mario Bros
* This is the entire point of [[Platform Hell]] games to some extent. ''[[
** It's also the entire point of Tool Assisted Speedrun only games such as [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAzxnJKCEdU&feature=channel_page Pit of Despair/Death], where the whole point of the game is to be played with a constantly supply of save states, frame by frame slow down and a couple of thousand retries after things go wrong.
* ''[[
** ''[[Prince of Persia]] Sands Of Time'' trilogy did something similar; you can't rewind time very long, but enough for you to retry that tricky jump several times. It's also used a few times in cutscenes, like at the end of the first: {{spoiler|the Prince kisses Farah, but he had hit the [[Reset Button]] so she doesn't remember him and is offended. So he rewinds to erase his mistake.}}
* The [[Xbox Live Arcade]] versions of ''[[Mega Man (
* Want to keep Zero in ''[[
* One way to save on the grief in ''[[
* It is possible to complete ''[[Jumper (
=== [[Puzzle Game]] ===
* ''[[Portal (
* In the wonderful puzzle-quest game series ''[[Professor Layton]]'', the only way to get to anything in the game is to answer hundreds of sometimes brain-squelching logic puzzles. Some of which aren't exactly logical at all. Many of which are plainly confusing and just downright sneaky. The vast majority of which can be solved by a mere brute-force attack - saving and reloading to try the puzzle again and again until you choose the right multiple-choice answer. Go figure.
** Don't forget you have to use up your three hint coins and then memorize the hints. After that, you reset, and you end up with the right answer and all your hint coins. Sure, you don't get anything from it, except bragging rights. Either way, I think the sheer amount of save scumming I did prevented me from losing everything. I probably would've wasted all my hint coins. Still, the one thing that bothered me most was how LONG it took to restart.
* A deliberate plot mechanic in ''[[Ghost Trick]]''. You turn back time to avert the death of your current
* The courtroom game series ''[[Ace Attorney]]'' allows the player to save the game at almost any time. Seeing that the game has a limit to wrong answers/evidence, the fandom of this game takes full advantage of this save feature, with some even saying that their tactic of playing Phoenix Wright is to save whenever dramatic music comes up, whenever Phoenix has to give critical evidence, or when Maya says something about having "their last chance".
=== [[Real Time Strategy]] ===
* Several RTS games where you have a small amount of specialised units (e.g. ''[[Desperados]]'', ''[[
** Not to mention the Scrappy levels in ''Command&Conquer'' where you only have the secret agent/commando type characters, and a light tank just wandered off into the darkness only to brake and turn around.
* Lampshaded in the ending of ''[[Perimeter]]'', when [[Eldritch Abomination|The Infernals]] inform the player that their [[Evil Plan]] required the participation of an [[Mind Screw|extra-dimensional being]] with the ability to
* ''[[
* In the final mission (two missions, unless you are playing the Harkonnen) of the ''[[Dune II]]'' the enemy periodically launches ''Death Hand'' missiles at your base. The missile has an about 50% chance of hitting; [[Unwinnable|good luck continuing your mission]] if it had destroyed half of your base or - even better - a single bulding, but a vital one that you can't afford (or don't have means) to rebuild.
* In ''[[
=== [[Roguelike]] ===
* [[Roguelike
** ''[[Nethack]]'' has an 'Explore mode' (Shift-X) where you can practice the game with infinite lives. You don't get a high score that way, though.
** ''[[Nethack]]'' also makes it harder to savescum on UNIX platforms by storing by recording the save file's inode number (an numeric index for the file) within the save file itself. Copies of the save file will have a different inode number than the recorded one, proving them to be a copy which ''[[Nethack]]'' won't accept. Of course, one can binary-edit the files to fix it, but it makes it harder.
*** Given that it's open source, it's probably easier to remove the check from the game. But that would take all the fun out of it (plus exposing you to the hordes of sharp-toothed deboners mentioned above).
*** It will also kill you with "death by trickery" if you try to tamper with game files while it's running.
** The roguelike ''[[Ancient Domains of Mystery]]'' will, under certain circumstances, detect that you've been trying to tamper with the game, and, instead of ending the game, give you a HUGE unlucky modifier. You'll miss the slowest monster with the most enchanted weapon, rats will slaughter you, and you are almost guaranteed to fail whatever you want to do. The best thing is just to die.
** The original ''[[Rogue (
* In Linley's ''Dungeon Crawl'', the game is saved everytime you go up or down a set of stairs into another level. If you close the game manually, the next time you play will start at the foot of the stairs. Some people use this loophole to read scrolls of acquirement (Which gives you a random item of the type you choose) or quaff potions of mutation (Which alters your body in very different ways) over and over, forcing the RNG to give them something good.
* ''[[
* The original UNIX version of ''Rogue'' had a save file that started with a random number and could be edited with a text editor. If you ever stumbled onto a "scroll of all knowledge" you could decode all the other objects, and never make a mistake. By level 256, you could pretty much look at a dragon and kill it. Bor-ring.
* The sole control scheme for ''[[Save Scummer]]'', a game that is essentially about playing a roguelike. The only moves are backwards in time and forwards in time, with the RNG resetting to let the player influence the choice that the randomly rolled character randomly makes at each moment in time. Beat it, and the player character gets [[No Fair Cheating|berated for save scumming on the in-game internet]].
* Also, ''Liberal Crime Squad'' deletes the save.dat file if you die, or succeed, or really anything that would permanently prevent your character from furthering the goals.
=== [[Role
* Sierra/Troika's ''[[
* In ''[[
* In ''Bishoujo Senshi [[Sailor Moon]]: Another Story'', there are a few places where you can only take a small number of your large team with you. Depending on who you take (and how well you've leveled up), the battles to come can be much harder or easier. As well, a slight change in dialogue will happen once. It's enough to make an OCD troper save and play four or five different saves just to see which is the best team make-up.
* It's hard to imagine beating the obscure [[Infocom]] title ''[[Quarterstaff]]'' without saving every time you have a round where you hit the (any) enemy, and said enemy swings and misses.
* As the odds to get a Shiny [[Pokémon]] in the wild are about 1/8000, if you want a shiny of the one-off legendaries, you'll have to save next to it, camp and soft reset the system ''a lot''.
** The same can be done with the Pokemon you get at the start of the game.
** Then there are legendary Pokemon in general. If you accidentally [[Non
*** Your approximate chance of catching nearly any legendary under ideal circumstances (Ultra Ball, while the target is asleep and at 1 HP) is about 12/256 ~ 4.7%. Chances are you'll want to Save Scum your capture attempt even if you're planning on using a mechanically reliable [[HP to One]] method like False
*** Since Platinum all legendary Pokemon will reappear after being defeated or ran from if you defeat the Elite Four again (or reenter the area/find them somewhere else for certain event and running Pokemon).And there is one plot-driving legendary in Black and White that you simply cannot skip capturing-if knocked out, it will come back indefinitely until you catch it.
** Competitive battlers will also do this to get a [[Mon]] with good stats.
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** Also a nice way to get your Pokemon to like you in the second gen games, especially if you want, say, an Eevee to evolve before a certain level. The fastest, least expensive way is to camp next to the youngest haircut brother. He has a 10% chance of giving a cut worth 10 happiness points (while the expensive older brother has a better chance of a nicer cut but his highest possible points are 5). Save, get a haircut, check how your [[Mon]] reacts to it, and if it isn't the extra-special cut just try again.
** The Game Boy incarnation of the Trading Card Game featured an auto-save every turn in battles. This also saved the state of the RNG, so if a coin flip was tails, it would be always tails however many times you save scummed. This can be turned to your own advantage. Heads coming up? Take it! Tails coming up? Use another move (or don't attack at all) so the OPPONENT gets it.
* ''[[Vagrant Story]]'' has elixirs and wine that randomly boost your stats from a range of +1 to +4. Although it takes a while to load or save a game, it takes so long just to charge up MP to teleport or to survive without wasting your [[Too Awesome to Use|items]], and also to switch weapons so that they get the right type advantages, that the
* Subverted in ''[[
** Of course, once you are aware of this, you just need to rewind further.
** However, Save Scumming works just fine for [[Mini Game|Dice Poker]].
* Bioware is generally friendly towards this strategy:
** The only reason no one calls out the [[NPC
*** Forget pazzak, the real reason for save scumming in ''[[Knights of the Old Republic (
*** And in the sequel...well...the fact that it dispenses items more or less at random means that a workable strategy for, say, giving HK-47 that ultrapowerful Charric disruptor rifle is to "kill all the droids in the Mandalorean cache, save, check the boxes, if it isn't there reload and try again."
*** It appears the game expects you to do this where lightsabres are concerned. Once you've acquired your first one, later lightsabres to recover/receive with be randomly chosen in terms of colour and design (classic, short blade or double blade). There's also the merchant on Telos who'll sell you your first sabre crystal. Save before talking to him and just keep reloading until you get the colour you want.
** In ''[[
** Can easily happen with the rather inconsistent difficulty spikes in ''[[Dragon Age Origins]]''. Suppose they decide to fireball and blow your party up...oops, quickload! Uh oh, templars right behind the door! Quickload! Uh oh, enemy resisted my crowd control, quickload!
** The same could be said for ''[[
*** ''[[
** A positive use of this is to save just before, say, [[Crowning Moment of Awesome|the end of Jacob's loyalty mission, or the end of Overlord, or before Tali's trial.]] Tear the court a new one with the renegade option, reload, then do it again by rallying the crowd.
** Not to mention all the different endings you can play in Dragon Age {{spoiler|save before the landsmeet}} and Heaven forbid you say the wrong thing in a conversation! {{spoiler|Your whole party can end up leaving you if you say or do the wrong thing in certain situations.}} Save often indeed!
* In ''Nightmare of Druaga'', the save file is marked "Do Not Copy." And if you close the game by any means other than a save and quit, it subjects you to a rant about mucking with the flow of time, and if you answer even ONE question the wrong way, it inflicts you with the death penalty. and the rant gets longer each time, with new questions. Heaven help you if the power goes out while playing.
* The ''[[Monster Rancher]]'' series is pretty heavy on
* ''[[
** In these old ''D&D''-based games, save scumming was an easy way to insure the characters maximum hit points. You just have to keep a close look at your experience points and save the game just before an encounter that would give enough XP for one character to pass a level. If the HP "roll" was low, you could rerun the encounter until you got the best result.
** That wasn't the only way of (ab)using save scumming, of course. For example, to know for sure how many charges have a magic wand: saving, firing every shot while counting, then backtracking.
** In the 2nd game, ''The Legend of Darkmoon'', any fight against beholders make Save Scumming pretty much obligatory. Because it is completely random whether they'll use their most deadly attacks ([[Disintegrator Ray|Disintegrate]] or Death Spell) or more innocuous ones, there was only two possible results of such a fight: either getting away nearly unscathed (maybe with one or two PCs paralysed, which quickly wears off) or having 1 to 5 of your party members insta-killed.
* ''[[
** The same as in ''EotB'''s first example could be done in the original ''Baldur's Gate''. In the sequel, ''Shadows of Amn'', most of the characters were too high-level to be rolling HP for much longer, and non-player-generated characters had predetermined results for when they did roll.
** Spoofed in ''Baldur's Gate: Throne of Bhaal'': a party of "noobs" assaults your group while flinging insults, resulting in their complete extermination. After a fake "reload" screen, the same party of adventurers encounters you again, greets you nicely and walks away.
** ''Throne Of Bhaal'' also caught some significant flak for this: some battles are just plain unwinnable without save scumming (or at least without knowing what the enemy's about to do), which makes 100% in-character role-playing impossible.
** The ''Baldur's Gate'' engine does at least warn
** You have to save before each and every pickpocketing attempt you make, otherwise you're virtually guaranteed to fail and everyone in the area will attack you. This can be anything from "inconvenient" as your reputation drops like a stone from Minsc and Keldorn helping you butcher orphans, to "lethal" as high-level wizards blast you into powder.
** However, reloading in an outdoor area in the original Baldur's Gate would cause any monsters already defeated in that area to respawn. This discouraged reloading to avoid random encounters while resting.
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** After going trough a lengthy process when leveling up, the game shows how much you rolled to increase your HP. Point is, you can still cancel and restart the process to try a better roll. Most people retry until they get the best result. The developers however noticed the fact. On the sequel, they made the player roll the best result altogether. On the original, they placed a config option that would hide the roll result for the player until they couldn't retry. Playing on single-player mode would allow for continued save scumming. On multiplayer however the result was absolute.
** And then there's the boxes after killing bosses at higher levels, which can dispense anything from small change to awesome magic items. Go on, try reloading until you get that White Robe of the Archmagi!
* The ''[[
** ''FO2'' has the above quote, and the description of the player's ear bitten off by [[The Tyson Zone|The Masticator]] adds, "If you're reading this, you're probably reloading your last save."
** ''[[Fallout: New Vegas
*** Some Speech checks however come up only once, making save scumming useful again since the game has multiple ways to momentarily boost your skills. Without save scumming you'd have to predict when a high skill check is coming up and risk wasting skill boosting items. It's usually just trial and error with this method, seeing how it's a trivial matter to raise a specific skill by more than 20 points (100 being the maximum).
*** New Vegas' casinos employ a game mechanic to obstruct save scumming. If you reload a save, you cannot play at a table or slot machine for a full minute, as the dealer is switching decks, recalibrating the wheel or somesuch. This means that if you plan to reload every time you lose a game, you're in for some tedious waiting.
**** The real trick to this is to boost your luck to 9 or 10 before you start gambling - that will assure that you win almost every time.
** Lockpicking in ''[[
* Pretty much the least frustrating way to get through the "Gold Chocobo" sequence in ''[[
** ''[[
** Pretty much guaranteed you'll be doing this in ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' when you play blitzball, especially if you want to get certain items that can only be gotten by winning at blitzball.
* [[Item Crafting]] in the ''[[Star Ocean]]'' games often requires expensive or limited-supply materials, and has a high chance of failure.
* The ''[[
* Introversion's game ''[[Uplink]]'' does similar to ''Nethack'', where being caught immediately writes your user's save data into 'game over mode'. If you didn't get meta and make a copy/paste backup, there's not a lot you can do.
* Just like the later roguelikes, the original ''[[
* If you want to get the highest rank during a mission while playing ''[[Valkyria Chronicles]]'', doing this is almost completely necessary for every single turn. Not only is it possible to miss your intended shots and not kill the enemy, but the enemy can occasionally evade your attack themselves, especially enemy aces.
* ''[[
** Also, demon lineups in the auction change each time you turn the game on. Does the demon you want keep coming up with only one or two stars? Time to soft-reset!
** On the other hand, it's a branching-plot game with a bunch of ways to cut off someone's path, and ONLY ONE SAVE SLOT.
*** Thankfully, ''[[Updated Rerelease|Overclocked]]'' and ''[[
* Most ''[[
* Every time you close an Oblivion Gate in ''[[The Elder Scrolls IV
** Also in ''Oblivion'' the [[Luck
*** [[Whoring|If you have more of a particular spell-scroll piled up than you have lockpicks, you really don't have to worry about saving and reloading. Just double-click the scrolls then drop the picks and pick them all up again.]]
** The opportunities for save scumming are plentiful: get precisely the best Haggle, always harvest the rare plants, and never break a hammer. Oddly it's debatable whether it's ''more'' realistic to have some of these benefits. Randomly being unable to pick plants, in particular, is criticized by some fans.
* Speaking of Elder Scrolls, in ''[[The Elder Scrolls II
* In ''[[The Elder Scrolls V
* Cruelly averted in ''[[Sakura Wars]] V''. It has tons of branching dialog which basically replaces [[Level Grinding]] if you choose the right response. As if to make it worse, it's on a time limit and you automatically fail if you take too long to decide. Yet you can only save at the end of the chapter (usually between half an hour to an hour depending on your reading speed and if you listen to the [[So Bad
** They even give you about 50 save slots, just to set you up for disappointment from the get-go.
* In ''[[Lightning Warrior Raidy]]'' and its sequel, losing any of the end boss fights leads to a [[Nonstandard Game Over|different end scene]]. The game instructions freely admit that half the point of the game is to see these scenes. Save Scumming is the only way to do that ''and'' continue the game. (In addition, most of the bosses make the game [[Unwinnable]] if you stumble upon their lair before you've picked up the item or knowledge necessary to fight them.)
* If you want the trophy/achievement for getting the rare and unique flower in [[
* ''[[
* The "random" battles in ''[[
* [[Action RPG]] [[Metal Walker]] doesn't let you save inside buildings, so saving outside them is a good tip, especially with the high encounter rate.
* ''[[Might and Magic]] VI and VII''. Notable instances include: Shop inventories are generated randomly every few days, but only when you go into the shop; so, wait outside, save, then go in, and if they don't have the item, reload and try again. This is particularly important for those must-have spell books. Monster drops are random and so is the chance of a multi-drop - with patience, a single dragon can equip your whole party with really powerful items. ''Enchant Item'' results are also random - this is part of the key to the infamous six-day win in VI. Save-scumming can get you past booby-traps far earlier in the game than any legitimate means would allow. In VI, it was also a good way to compile a potion cookbook - save, mix potion, if it blows up try another formulation. In VII there were too many combinations to make this very enjoyable, and in any case you still needed the Alchemy skill at a suitable level.
* The usual way to play [[H-game
=== [[Simulation Game]] ===
* This is the only sure way to get certain rare mine items in ''[[Harvest Moon]]: Friends Of Mineral Town'' (and its distaff version, ''More Friends''), and is a feature of most HM games (due to multiple save slots and "save anywhere" capability) as each floor of the mine wasn't necessarily guaranteed to have a path to the floor below in it. Many players also use it to avoid destructive storms.
** The Harvest Moon team has been aware of this for some time, though. As early as ''Back to Nature'', one of the sins you could confess to the local priest was "I reset the game to win at a festival."
** In ''A Wonderful Life'' and ''Another Wonderful Life'', you can change a newborn animal's gender if you save before you go to bed the night before it is born. Often this is pretty much your only option if you get a bull when what you really needed was another milk cow.
** ''Island Of Happiness'' actively fights save scumming by randomizing the location of the stairs and pitfalls every time you reload so the old trick of digging until you found the stairs, reloading the save and going straight to the stairs location no longer works.
** The two most recent games, ''Grand Bazaar'' and ''Twin Villages'' avert this altogether by 1) Doing away with mining and 2) Making it so you can only save once a day when you sleep, which automatically leads you to the next day.
** In addition, the past several games randomize the weather about a week in advance, making it impossible to perform the old trick of reloading as soon as you discover that a hurricane has blown in that day.
* In ''[[Animal Crossing]]'', you can reset the game to get back any items you lost or reset anything bad that happened or to get more items, however, [[No Fair Cheating|this will prompt a mole named Mr. Resetti to angrily scold you the next time you load. The more times you do this, the longer his rants get.]] You can also go back in time to get a new day and do more things. It's a great way to get extra lottery tickets.
* Try this in the DS [[Dating Sim]] ''[[Love Plus]]'' and you'll have to vocally apologize to your girlfriend. [[But Thou Must!|If you don't, she will not let you play.]]
* In [[The Sims]], there's no way to choose a newborn's gender, unless saving right before the birth and reloading as often as needed to get the gender you want.
* [[Magical Diary: Horse Hall]]. Given the multiple dialogue options, [[Multiple Endings|multiple game paths]], and [[Luck
* [[The Idolmaster (
=== [[Sports Game]] ===
* The ''six'' save slots in the original ''[[Backyard Sports|Backyard Baseball]]'' were probably meant for this, as on Hard, home runs made by the opposing team are extremely likely to occur.
* ''[[
=== [[Stealth Based Game]] ===
* In the ''[[In Case You Forgot Who Wrote It|Tom Clancy's]] [[Splinter Cell]]'' series, specifically the PC ports, the ability to save whenever you want was introduced. This can lead to saving right before any even slightly risky encounter, and then if you're detected,
=== [[Third
* ''[[Max Payne (
* ''[[Total Overdose]]'' averts scumming with fixed save point locations, but it has a rewind feature that allows about 5 seconds of backtracking any time, even from death. Somewhat like lives in that there are a limited number but more can be accumulated through gameplay.
* Possible in ''[[Postal]] 2''; however, abuse will lead to the Postal Dude [[Lampshade Hanging|berating the player]] with lines such as "My grandmother could [[Breaking the Fourth Wall|beat the game if she saved as much as you do.]]"
=== [[Turn
* [[Rondo of Swords]] lets you abuse this ad nauseam. At any time during battle, provided that you haven't been defeated yet, you can restart the battle, or go back to the setup menu (from where you can save, and edit your unit's skills). ''All the items you used go back to your inventory, but your units still retain any EXP and levels they gained in the battle''. Doing this enough times can even get you through the [[Hopeless Boss Fight]] at the very beginning of the game, if only in a [[New Game
* Prevented in the ''[[
** Put more technically, the game uses a pseudorandom number generator: it doesn't actually generate random numbers; rather it has a long, built-in list of random values. At the beginning of a mission, it picks a semi-random entry to start from, and then selects the next value from the list each time you perform an attack. Since the only truly random event was the starting value selection at the beginning of the mission, reloading doesn't do anything. It is, however, somewhat possible to subvert the system by deciding to take a different action (such as moving to a different place or simply choosing not to attack), which changes who gets what numbers.
*** [[Hilarity Ensues]] in the instances where it doesn't regenerate them properly and runs off the end of the list into numbers above 100 which cause chances of 100% (and above, which are reasonably common in this one) to fail.
*** Techncially, any video game generates pseudorandom
**** This is the basis of [[Tool Assisted Speedrun
** ... which leads to the wonderful practice of RNG (Random Number Generator) Manipulation. By saving, and then performing a specific sequence of movements, it is possible to determine the approximate values for the next so many random numbers; more precisely, whether they are above or below 50. By taking the values of a chain of these, then reloading the saved game, you know the approximate values of the random numbers for the next twenty, forty, or even hundred iterations. This lets you basically hack the game; say a character has a 45% chance of getting a critical hit. If you arrange matters so the "critical hit" number is one of those you know to be definitely less than fifty, that becomes a 90% chance of a critical hit. The same thing for leveling up; a character has a 60% chance to gain a point in Strength. Make sure a <50 number is in the right place, and that's a 100% chance of a strength point. The GBA versions of Fire Emblem very much play this straight, despite first impressions.
*** Specifically, you can force the game to use up the next number by selecting a unit and and drawing an overly complex movement (possibly in a circle around the unit. At the point where it would take more movement than the unit has to take that path, the game automatically draws a shorter path. However, if the unit has an odd number for their movement, there are at minimum two possible paths that are equally long, one that, say, move right and then down and another that moves down and then right. The game will use its RNG to determine which of these paths is created. After you cycle through the desired number of numbers, you can cancel your selection of the unit and have used nothing. Of course, this technique assumes that you have an unmoved unit with the correct movement value with no obstructions to their pathing.
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* Want to shoot down that boss and get his awesome loot/secret item/secret mech/BraggingRightsReward in many ''[[Super Robot Wars]]'' games? Prepare to save and reset a lot until you figure out the damage threshold where the coward teleports off the field, knock him down to ''just'' that, and then set up a support attack to FINISH HIM! A [[Guide Dang It|strategy guide]] and skill could accomplish this more honestly, at least in some of the easier installments, but it is still a frequently-used tactic.
** One (fortunately optional) battle in ''[[Super Robot Wars]] [[Original Generation]] 2'' actually requires this to win. From a plot point of view the battle is actually unwinnable, you are fighting three of the penultimate bosses 1/3 of the way through the game after all, and even if you defeat them they will simply bypass you and enter the base you are trying to protect. Each one can sink any of your units in a single hit (resulting in a game over) and you need to cast "focus" every turn to even hope to avoid their attacks. You only have four units, only one of your pilots will regain his Spirit Points so he's the only one who can attack every turn. You'll still only have about a 25% chance to hit and a 50% chance to be hit on two of the three enemies. Oh and this character's best weapon ''heals'' them. Luckily you can save at any point (even during the enemy's turn) by holding start. It's probably going to take at least 100 turns the first time you try this. However if you win you (the player) will receive praise for your tenacity and several of the games best weapons and parts for your mechs.
*** This technique is actually lampshaded in the [[
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* Can be a problem in ''[[Battle for Wesnoth]]'' campaigns, wherein it is referred to as Save/Loading. The justified version happens occasionally, too, when there are campaign branches, mostly, though, it's used because the battle system is chance based, so it's totally possible for your Arch Mage to attack with five fireballs with a 70% to hit and miss every last one of them.
* In ''[[
* ''[[
** Taken to the next level in FFT 1.3, a [[Game Mod|fan made patch]] of ''[[
* ''[[
* ''[[Luminous Arc]]'''s Intermission system allows [[The Hero|Alph]] to spend time after each battle with a party member. Players would generally save before dealing the final blow and goes through the Intermission for a Best Break. If they get a Normal or Good Break, they can just reload.
** ''[[Luminous Arc 2]]'''s Intermissions are chapter-based for almost all characters, but the player can still save scum for Best Breaks.
*** ''[[Luminous Arc 3]]'' makes it even easier by letting you save right before you talk to a character so you can reload immediately after if you don't like the result.
* While researching AI in ''[[Sword of the Stars]]'', there is a random chance each turn of [[
=== [[Turn Based Tactics]] ===
* Patient players of ''[[Jagged Alliance]]'' could very easily win battles by abusing the save system as such: save every time you manage to hit an enemy, and load everytime an enemy hits you. This lets you get through most battles practically unscathed even with mercs of low skill, although in some cases it could take an aggravatingly long time before one of your shots would hit.
** Not as easy as it sounds, though - in the first game it was (almost) impossible to save during combat, and in ''Jagged Alliance 2'' reloading and doing the same thing again will get you exactly the same result - so if your shot missed, it'll always miss. Unless you reload and do something different.
*** This actually led to another version of abusing this trope, namely I Will Do X And You Will Never Hit Me The Next Turn. And X could be as bad as running into a point-blank range. You will never know unless you try.
*** Jagged Alliance 1 requires some alt-tabbing to windows and copying/renaming some files. An extreme example is ''Deadly Games'', because you can save ''anytime'' during a turn, even the enemy's... It's actually possible to save after hearing a shot miss and load after it hits one of your mercs, multiple times until all your mercs survived the enemy fire unscathed.
* In the old ''[[X-COM]]'' games there are some bugs/alien attacks that make saving as soon as you touch down on the battlefield a very good idea. Some people save almost every turn in the battlescape, but others feel that the save button is heresy , so go figure.
** One of the more charming bugs makes one of your soldiers' items into an armed proximity grenade at the start of combat. This typically results in them exploding randomly.
=== [[Wide Open Sandbox]] ===
* The ''[[Grand Theft Auto]]'' games had save scumming in spades when it came to weapons. Any time you died or got busted, you lost all your guns, leading players to save after every single mission and reloading if they died or get busted on a mission. San Andreas and GTA 4 introduced ways to let the player keep their weapons after death or arrest to discourage save scumming.
** ''[[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas|San Andreas]]'' had a few missions where you would lose all your guns in the start of a mission, pissing off players who been save scumming to keep their guns and finding out they have to lose them anyway.
* ''[[
** Doesn't even need to be closed. Quit to main menu, alt-tab, copypaste the save, go back to the game, load.
** This can even be done for the game's Hardcore mode where you typically lose the save file of that world if you die.
▲== [[Web Comics]] ==
* In ''City of Reality'', a character gets a device from an enemy he was fighting that allows him to rewind time a few seconds, allowing him to take advantage of this trope. He then uses this to get the high score in a [[Irony|videogame]]...▼
* In ''[[Bob and George]]'', {{spoiler|X}} goes berserk and starts assimilating the mind of every robot in the lab. George and Bass decide the only viable option is to wipe out his memory, but this might also wipe out the memory of the others, too. When George goes back, {{spoiler|X}} tells him he's now linked into the lab's computer system, and heard their conversation, then he asks George if he's willing to risk wiping out everybody's minds. George's response: "Can I save my game before I decide?"▼
* Specifically noted as one of the Gamemaster's powers in ''[[Captain SNES]]'', as unlike the normal characters, he ''remembers'' stuff after a reload, rather than getting intuition and deja vu from it. Also noted as having limitations- he can only reload if he's still in the same world where he saved.▼
* In ''[[Homestuck (Webcomic)|Homestuck]]'' this is the function of a "Hero of Time" player, which every session has at least one of. Their job is to preserve the Alpha timeline and basically go back and reset things if something goes wrong.▼
=== [[
* ''[[
* http://tasvideos.org/ is the King of Save Scumming, and trying for the best everything without actually editing the ram/rom memory.▼
** It should be noted that while editing ram using an external editor is grounds to have a submission disqualified, simply watching the RAM is perfectly fine (and is expected in a handful of cases) and using the game itself to manipulate RAM is also fair game. Most of these cases require specific, precise input on specific, precise frames and loads and loads of trial-and-error.▼
=== [[Adventure Game]] ===▼
▲=== Games with notable branching points or easy changes to make for [[Multiple Endings]] ===
* ''[[Indiana Jones and
=== [[
▲* ''[[Cave Story (Video Game)|Cave Story]]'' has a few places where you should probably save and manually backup your save (the game has one slot), most importantly the easy/hard mode choice.
▲== [[Adventure Game]] ==
▲* ''[[Indiana Jones and The Fate of Atlantis]]'' has a super obvious branching point about halfway through the story, where the game would suggest which way to proceed based on how you handled an earlier event, but you'd be free to pick any of the three options. Once you got to {{spoiler|Atlantis}} the three pathways would converge, and the rest of the game would be linear as before.
▲== [[Driving Game]] ==
* All racing games with a betting system automatically saves your game the moment you put something on the line. You got one chance, mate, don't blow it.
=== [[Fighting Game]] ===
* ''[[
** Having to lose each fight for 100% completion was removed in the sequal. This was done specifically because people complained so much about it. An egg explaining it is found if you lose a match enough times.
* In ''[[
** That said, as long as you're willing to take a Story Points penalty at the end of the stage (which only affects the treasures you can pick up on subsequent runs and can be made up for later if you'd rather), you can also restart the battle from within the game, which is much faster.
=== [[First
* ''[[
** Canonically all three endings occurred, so in a way this is more accurate than only playing one of them. Not that anybody has ever played all the way through Deus Ex for the first time and not done this...
** ''Invisible War'' has decisions that affect the landscape of the game in subtle ways, but by the final level it basically comes down to, "who do you want to kill?" (And yes, "everyone" is an acceptable answer.)
* ''[[Prey]]'' has an achievement on 360 for getting a certain amount of money on the blackjack machine at the start. The easiest way to do this is to just save and bet high until you win. Strangely, you don't have to do this for the similar achievement for Poker, since a machine later on is rigged to let you win.
=== General ===
* [[Nintendo]] avoided this with its Virtual Console service on its [[Wii]] console. Saves made by exiting a game to the Wii Menu are only temporary, and saves aren't made at all with [[Nintendo 64]] games (they were probably intended for older games that didn't originally have a way to save).
** However, the [[Nintendo 3DS]]'s Virtual Console service, in addition to making a temporary save when quitting to the system's Home Menu, allows players to make restore points, which save the current position in the game (similar to quitting a Virtual Console to the Wii Menu for the Wii's equivalent or quitting to the Home Menu on the same system) and allows them to be made at any time (ditto), with the major difference being the fact that restore points are ''permanent'' and are only deleted when making a new one. Restore points can be loaded anytime with no limit on how many times they can be used, with the only limitation being that only one per game can be stored at a time. Thus, Nintendo made
=== [[Platform Game]] ===
* The first ''[[Tomb Raider]]'' had save crystals, so save scumming was impossible. People complained about the time between saves, so they implemented a save anywhere feature for the sequel. Unfortunately to compensate they raised the difficulty level to the point where some sections required
=== [[Role
* ''[[
* ''[[Might and Magic]] VII''.
* ''[[Star Wars]]: [[Knights of the Old Republic (
* To see all dozen-or-so endings of ''[[
** The sequel ''[[
* ''Growlanser 2'' has several branching points, but at least one obvious one that gets you most of the endings (assuming you didn't screw up the relationship stuff).
* ''[[Shadow Hearts]]: Covenant'', where the ending branches on one choice made just before the penultimate boss fight. The original [[Guide Dang It|is far trickier.]]
* ''[[Fable (
* Speech checks in ''[[
** Fallout 3 and New Vegas both offer perks that allow the player to re-hack or re-pick failed (locked out or jammed) computers or locks. Why, yes, everyone did consider this to be utterly useless.
* The ''[[Geneforge]]'' series has multiple endings in every game (at least one for each faction you can align with). The ending-altering quests are usually easy to recognize. There's also the quicksave feature for the "reload if the battle goes sour" version of this trope.
* ''[[
* ''[[
* ''[[Breath of Fire
** They had as a special feature the SOL restore and restart features, which allowed you to reload a save point to restart the game, respectively, with all of your experience and items saved in the bank. This was debatably necessary to complete the game the first time, and definitely needed to beat it the multiple times required to get 100% completion.
* ''[[Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles]]: Ring of Fates''. When you beat the final boss, he will try to go to another reality to defeat you, but gets trapped in a stable time loop. He's stuck Save Scumming the rest of his life!
** [[Fridge Brilliance]]: YIKES.
* ''[[
** Additionally, the general trope is parodied (with some bonus [[Nightmare Fuel]]) in a Persona 4 [http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/512222/ fan comic].
* ''[[Persona (
* In ''[[Fallout
** Blackjack in most casinos in New Vegas has a much lower house edge than most modern Vegas casinos offer (but a lot like 50's Vegas). It is also one of the very few computer blackjack games that simulate dealing from a real shoe with a cut card, not continuous shuffling. Since no one is there catching counters, it's pretty easy for a skilled gambler to win big through fair play alone. A high Luck stat tilts odds for the player automatically, providing another option for winning without save scumming.
** For players who really enjoy this part of the game, mods that allow for high stakes gambling and greater winnings [http://newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34733\] are easy to find or make.
* The ''[[Oblivion]]: Shivering Isles'' expansion pack has one point where you need to decide which faction to support in a power struggle. It doesn't make a lot of difference to the game (a single different mission and different-looking support troops), but it's notable because you get a separate achievement for each faction, and those are the only two incompatible achievements in the entire game. All the other achievements are relatively straightforward to get on a single playthrough. If you were trying for all achievements, and didn't save before that mission, you'd be left with a single one to get, and it could take hours of gameplay to get back to that point with a powerful enough character. Fortunately, they telegraph it well enough that (if you're paying attention) you will probably realise what's happening and save if it bothers you.
=== [[Simulation Game]] ===
* ''Tachyon: The Fringe'' - you're forced to pick sides (with contrasting plot paths) round about the fourth Fringe mission. This editor copied his save just before he chose so he wouldn't have to play through the first quarter of the game again.
* Most of the ''[[Wing Commander (
=== [[Stealth Based Game]] ===
* ''[[Metal Gear Solid]]'', although you're encouraged to use [[New Game
=== [[Third
* The second ''[[Oddworld]]'' game encourages this. Some levels require '''very''' precise timing in Abe's moves, and several times in rapid succession, or he ends up eaten, shot or otherwise killed. The game allows you to quicksave, so the normal way to play the game (i.e. the one that doesn't induce keyboard-mashing frustration) is to quicksave as soon as each jump, grab, escape or other phase of the level is complete. However, since things in Oddworld have a habit of turning nasty very, very quickly, it can easily result in quicksaving right before missing catching a wall, or something, causing every quickload to result in Abe plunging to his death and forcing the player to restore the level-start autosave.
=== [[Turn
* ''[[Super Robot Wars]] Original Generation 2'' has different plot paths rather than [[Multiple Endings]], but the principle is the same.
* ''[[
* ''[[Tactics Ogre]]'' and its [[Gaiden Game]] ''[[Knight Of Lodis]]'' have this, and it's rather advisable. In Tactics Ogre, you have to make some rather ''major'' choices, the first one it ''clearly'' shows that it's a ''very'' important decision, since it is after all {{spoiler|Choosing to follow orders and slaughter an entire village vs disobeying orders and refusing to do it.}} ''[[Knight Of Lodis]]'' meanwhile also gives you only one important choice (Whether or not you should try catching a mermaid or not) and you don't get that big of an idea that it has a huge impact on the game. Another choice you make later on in the game has zero impact on the story, however.
** This is recognized as so much as part of the required gameplay that the [[Updated Rerelease]] for the PSP included it as part of the actual game in the CHARIOT and WORLD system. (You can turn back time in battles and then in the game itself in [[New Game
*** The CHARIOT system (the in-battle one) subverts the main concept of save scumming, however. If you undo an action and then redo it exactly (ie. same order of move, skill, action; same location; same skill; same action, same target), the same outcome will result no matter how many times you retry.
=== [[Visual Novel]] ===
* The ''[[Fate/stay
** The Tiger Dojo exists to Lampshade and excuse it with a wink.
* Similar to the above, ''[[
** "Uh oh, Nrvnqsr is out there. I'd better wait here in the hotel room...''whaddaya mean a'' '''shark''' ''ate me?!''"
*** This ending actually establishes an important rule of Type-Moon games- when in doubt, go with the * more* dangerous choice. Not investigating the dark alley or protecting the superhuman with your frail mortal self will get you killed virtually every time unless previous dialogue has explicitly established that it will. The most notable exception to this rule occurs in Fate/Stay Night when {{spoiler|Asking Issei about Caster will trigger a brainwashing spell placed on him that causes his eyes to turn red followed by him killing you and then himself.}}
** "Hmm, sex with Arcueid, or stop? Can't see any reason for the latter!" ''Four scenes later'' Oh hi Kohaku, why are you at school? {{spoiler|Oh you brought Roa too, how nice *death*}} "Next time, less horniness and more sympathy needed."
* The Ren'Py engine itself uses rollback<ref>rolling back the entire interpreter state, which includes reverting the status of variables and undoing decisions made by the player (which is effectively savescumming without going through Save/Load)</ref> instead of providing only the read-only backlogs which are more common in Japanese-developed titles. Developers who want readback have to [http://katawashoujo.blogspot.com/2011/03/if-you-want-something-done.html jump through hoops] to implement it, as [[Word of God|PyTom has specifically stated (repeatedly) that he will not assist anyone in implementing readback]].
** The ironic part is that said rollback actually causes the Pseudo-Random Number Generator that was specifically made for it to also return the same value every time, [[No Fair Cheating|which translates to the]] [[Random Number God]] [[No Fair Cheating|knowing you're rolling back and making the same thing happen every time.]] So it's useless for 'cheating' at anything random, while making 'cheating' at choices trivial.
* [[Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors]] has this {{spoiler|''in universe.'' The player's ability to restart after obtaining a bad ending, while retaining information obtained in said ending, is an early indicator that young Akane (the true player character) is doing this with Junpei.}}
=== [[Wide Open Sandbox]] ===
* Not quite conventional Save Scumming, but ''[[Saints Row|Saint's Row 2]]'' lets you keep all your gear and ammo at the time of when you saved, but if it was during a mission, you start at the beginning of said mission. This can actually be abused, as during the Veteran Child mission there's ''always'' one of the Sons of Samedi in the same location wielding a [[AKA
* In ''[[
** Another method of doing this which can be accessed earlier in the game is to use the betting shop in Blueberry. Catalina's house on Fern Ridge has a save spot and a fast car that spawns on every load. The road down the ridge leads directly to the Shop, and only takes about 30 seconds. Betting on the longshot has a massive payout and can net you a huge income very quickly.
▲* In ''City of Reality'', a character gets a device from an enemy he was fighting that allows him to rewind time a few seconds, allowing him to take advantage of this trope. He then uses this to get the high score in a [[Irony|videogame]]...
▲* In ''[[Bob and George]]'', {{spoiler|X}} goes berserk and starts assimilating the mind of every robot in the lab. George and Bass decide the only viable option is to wipe out his memory, but this might also wipe out the memory of the others, too. When George goes back, {{spoiler|X}} tells him he's now linked into the lab's computer system, and heard their conversation, then he asks George if he's willing to risk wiping out everybody's minds. George's response: "Can I save my game before I decide?"
▲* Specifically noted as one of the Gamemaster's powers in ''[[Captain SNES]]'', as unlike the normal characters, he ''remembers'' stuff after a reload, rather than getting intuition and deja vu from it. Also noted as having limitations- he can only reload if he's still in the same world where he saved.
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▲* In the [[Star Trek Voyager (TV)|Star Trek Voyager]] Novel ''The Escape,'' Torres, Kim, and Neelix are searching a seemingly deserted planet when they accidentally activate a [[Time Travel]] device, violating the laws of the aliens who inhabit the various timelines on the planet. All attempts to escape by the trio are thwarted by the [[Sufficiently Advanced Aliens|seemingly omniscient aliens,]] who are really just [[Save Scumming|rewinding the timeline]] to before the team makes their attempts, sometimes requiring several iterations before the aliens found a favorable outcome.
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▲* In the ''[[Discworld (Literature)|Discworld]]'' book ''[[Discworld (Literature)/Thief of Time|Thief of Time]]'', Yetis have learned to do this, and will periodically save their lives, and if they get killed, they'll go back and not be such a fool this time. It's mentioned that the whole species has gone extinct on three separate occasions.
* How time works with this in play is ''[[Cracked.com]]'''s #17 [http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_388_27-science-lessons-as-taught-by-famous-video-games/ Science Lesson As Taught by Famous Video Games].
▲== Live Action Television ==
▲* In an episode of ''[[Being Erica (TV)|Being Erica]]'', Erica is given the power to manipulate time within a single day and uses it to repeatedly hit the reset button on events that don't go her way, including a huge fight with her boyfriend: unfortunately, the boyfriend realises what she's up to and is horrified at what he sees as a violation of his free will.
▲== [[Film]] ==
▲* The movie ''Next'' essentially featured a character capable of doing this in real life. Being able to see two minutes into your future has its perks...
* Wyoming does something like this in [[Red vs. Blue]] by rewinding time every time he dies so he can carry out his evil scheme properly. Unfortunately for him, Tucker is aware of these resets and uses his knowledge of what will happen to defeat Wyoming.
* Qin Xu of ''[[Last
* ...Or something like it: anyone used to working on memory-heavy programs, such as the Adobe Creative Suite, will soon develop the nervous tic of using the 'save' keyboard shortcut every couple of minutes, or face the possibility of losing a huge amount of work the next time Flash or Premiere crashes. And more to the point, will equally find their fingers hovering constantly over the 'undo' shortcut keys. Bonus points if this becomes so internalised you find yourself twitching to 'undo' real, non-computer errors.
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