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Contrast [[Good Is Old-Fashioned]], where idealism is regarded as only for the children's grandparents. The intent is much the same: To imply that the good/idealistic person is unfamiliar with the here and now. The character may say that what they are dealing with is [[Above Good and Evil]], and the idealistic character should not drag in such childish morality.

It's not all one-way, however; the idealist [[Shut UP, Hannibal|may fire a few shots back in return]]. The cynic may be dismissed as a 'sell-out' who gave up on doing the right thing for their own selfish gain. For instance certain characters just aren't willing to jeopardize their careers, and livelihoods just to change the status quo (Cynically this could be [[Truth in Television]] depending on how cynical, or "''realist''" one is). Or maybe he'll even be called a 'coward' and a weakling who gave up the good fight because he found it too hard and instead resigns oneself in [[wangst]]ing about bad things. For those kinds of call-outs, see [[Silly Rabbit Cynicism Is for Losers]]. Of course, a true cynic ''would'' also be cynical about their cynicism.

It's not all one-way, however; the idealist [[Shut UP, Hannibal|may fire a few shots back in return]]. The cynic may be dismissed as a 'sell-out' who gave up on doing the right thing for their own selfish gain. For instance certain characters just aren't willing to jeopardize their careers, and livelihoods just to change the status quo (Cynically this could be [[Truth in Television]] depending on how cynical, or "''realist''" one is). Or maybe he'll even be called a 'coward' and a weakling who gave up the good fight because he found it too hard and instead resigns oneself in [[wangst]]ing about bad things. For those kinds of call-outs, see [[Silly Rabbit, Cynicism Is for Losers]]. Of course, a true cynic ''would'' also be cynical about their cynicism.

Compare and contrast [[Knight in Sour Armor]], who still hold ideals, just not as idealists. A converted holder of '''Silly Rabbit, Idealism Is for Kids''' views may turn into a [[Knight in Sour Armour]], keeping to the appearance of cynicism while reluctantly pursuing idealistic goals.

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** Of course he was right all along. He knew he would marry another after all.

* [http://www.indyplanet.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=3429 Gemini Storm's] Elizabeth Rose is very negative, to the point of berating her male companion when he yells at her for killing one of the monsters trying to kill them both.

* Speedball's evolution into Penance. This trope plus a dump truck full of [[Wangst]]. He had [[Amnesia]] at the time. He knew that he used to be a hero and that he'd done something bad, he just didn't know who or what.

* Speedball's evolution into Penance. This trope plus a dump truck full of [[Wangst]]. He had [[Amnesia (fangame)|Amnesia]] at the time. He knew that he used to be a hero and that he'd done something bad, he just didn't know who or what.

* The Comedian's speech at the "Crime Busters" meeting in ''[[Watchmen]]''.

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** Then there's the fact that the people he gave everything to save ended up betraying him and executing him as scapegoat for their own convenience. He claims to mostly got over it, or accepted it to begin with, but it still played a factor.

* From ''[[Jak and Daxter|Jak X]]'':

{{quote|'''Jak''': [[The Power of Friendship|I've found out who]] [[Nakama|my real friends are]].

'''G.T. Blitz''': [[Evil Cannot Comprehend Good|Oh please, the BS meter is really pegging now!]] }}

* In ''[[Devil Survivor]]'', [[Knight in Sour Armor|Keisuke]] winds up playing reluctant mentor to [[Genki Girl|Midori]]; she refuses to listen to his warnings partly because he feels this way. Over time, he grows more desperate to convince her ''and'' more cynical, until {{spoiler|he [[Freak-Out|snaps]] and goes [[Knight Templar]]. This doesn't help convince her that he's ''right'', mind you.}}

* Completely inverted in ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]''. Squall starts off believing that his own cynical, antisocial viewpoints are the correct ones, but as the game progresses and Rinoa and the friends he makes help him both emotionally mature and deal with his mental trauma, he becomes more idealistic.

* [http://www.zeldauniverse.net/articles/zelda-wii-needs-an-anti-hero/ This article] concerning ''[[The Legend of Zelda]]'' claims that, since ''[[Twilight Princess]]'' went with a realistic art style, Nintendo ought to have made Link more "realistic," namely, by turning him into an antihero. The author's argument hinges in large part on his assertion that people were "[[Fan Dumb|very disappointed]]" with ''Twilight Princess'' because the realistic art style supposedly ought to have been paired with a non-idealistic hero. The article became [[Hilarious in Hindsight]] because, a mere three days later, ''[[Skyward Sword]]'' was revealed with an art style that was decidedly less realistic than the one in ''Twilight Princess'', with a Link who is just as much of a normal hero as both the one in ''Twilight Princess'' and every other Link.

* In ''[[LA Noire]]'', veteran Vice Detective [[Noble Bigot with a Badge|Roy Earle]] says this to [[By-The-Book Cop|Cole Phelps]] when they discuss the crack down (or lack thereof) on illegal narcotics in the city.

* In ''[[L.A. Noire]]'', veteran Vice Detective [[Noble Bigot with a Badge|Roy Earle]] says this to [[By-The-Book Cop|Cole Phelps]] when they discuss the crack down (or lack thereof) on illegal narcotics in the city.

{{quote|'''Roy''': "Drugs are prohibited. Doesn't mean people don't want to take them. Limiting supply doesn't mean that we have limited demand."

'''Cole''': "I understand that. I know that the average joe needs to unwind a little, let his hair down at the end of the week. But morphine? Heroin?"