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*** Seymour's still a hypocritical, misogynist pig. Sure he may have the rare [[Pet the Dog]] moment (key emphasis on rare), but anything he does is instantly negated in the fandom's eyes by two words: Bad Behaviour. Since he's a fundamentalist, he should be treated like he does others with his [[Knight Templar]] views. "No atonement, no forgiveness."

*** In his defense, he did suffer from karmatic backlash for a while and is now being pulled back. Hell he is acting a lot better now than he did in the first part of the strip.

** The ones that hate him most are the ones who are most familiar with redemption tropes. During the process of redemption, one of the absolute WORST things one can possibly do to someone on that path is slam the proverbial door on them via tropes such as [[Deadly Change-of-Heart]] and [[Reformed but Rejected]]. Tales of redemption are quite powerful because they tap our sense of hope, and Fyoosh's quest for redemption is a major part of her charm to the fan base. That is exactly what Seymour did to her in Bad Behaviour in the most spiteful, mean-spirited way possible, despite her teriffic progress on said path ([[Card-Carrying Villain]] -> [[Noble Demon]] -> [[Sliding Scale of Anti-Villains|Type IV]] [[Anti-Villain]]). Viciously stomping on someone on the path of redemption is a major fast track to gaining a [[Hatedom]]. Especially bad when one recalls that aiding and supporting those on the path of redemption and atonement is one of the core teachings of Christianity. Contrast with Ezekiel and Ariel who are fully aware of both her bond with Criminy and her quest to change. They fully support and encourage both because they know Crim is the central player to her redemption. Also add in his vitriolic [[Heteronormative Crusader]] hatred of homosexuals (he was ready to kill them for being gay). Miko is a terrible example to use as a comparison because she's a notorious [[Base Breaker]] (even more than 300 strips after her death) in the [[Order of the Stick]] fandom, [[Knight Templar|much of it]] [[Holier Than Thou|for the]] [[The Fundamentalist|same reasons]] [[Sinfest]] fans hate Seymour.

*** I don't know... I mean, calling her a [[Base Breaker]] would mean there were some people who actually liked her, or at least didn't see her as [[The Scrappy]]. As for Seymour , I think everyone's problem, both the haters and the loony fanboy of a loony fanboy up there, is that while everyone and everything has become [[Lighter and Softer]], Seymour has developed in an almost opposite direction. Even the few villains still played straight are behaving better, either Baby Blue admitting that [[Good Feels Good]], or Satan himself becoming more [[Affably Evil]]. Seymour, on the other hand, is starting to seem like either a failed attempt at a [[Darker and Edgier]] or [[Knight of Cerebus]] character meant to contrast with the tone shift. Don't get me wrong, he definitely had his Bible-thumping moments in the beginning, but he was also constantly smiling, kept the brunt of his zeal confined to private moments of worship, treated the other characters with civility more often than not, and believed in repentance. Heck, during the first half of the comic everyone agreed he was that he was less obnoxious than Ezekial and Ariel. The deterioration of his character, the process of which was too slow to map out exactly where it became in character for him to lay the hate on someone for prejudice's sake, without even trying to get them to convert or repent, left people with the surly and closeminded undesirable that had people questioning what happened, why was the decision to make him a ineffective [[Windmill Crusader]] made, and why in conjuction with a comic 'verse that was just starting to better itself as a whole. The blackening of his view of others, culmulating in his infamous role "Bad Behaviour" as the rejector of the reformed, left everyone feeling he was beyond salvation, still calling it his [[Moral Event Horizon]] even when all became right in the relationship again. Seymour has caused no lasting harm, no real injury, and most can agree that others, both characters and fans, overreact to his actions, and he is starting to follow the trend of better morals and behavior. Unfortunatly, that may not be enough at this stage, he's buried to deep in the scappy heap. Petty were his crimes, in ignorance his assumptions, [[Cool and Unusual Punishment]] is his just desserts, and that is never going to be enough for the hypocrites that hate him for being a hypocrite.

***** More of a child than a ditz, I would say. One of her main points seems to be this innocent, childlike interpretation of everything, regardless of 'good' or 'evil' tags. Anyway, this issue is obviously a very subjective experience; for me, while I see what is loved about her character (and, like I said, agree that she is both adorable and cool), the brainwwashing thing always casts a shadow. I look at her, and I always wonder who she used to be.

**** I'd always gotten the impression that it was the intention of the artist for Tangerine to be the [[Grotesque Cute]]/[[Lightmare Fuel]] character of the strip. Like, everything the OP pointed ''was'' supposed to occur to us but she's so ditzy that we're a lot less scared than we should be.

** I wasn't really sure at first either but re-reading it I think it's a flashback.

** This troper was under the impression it was a flashback from the start, with the brown haired boy as jesus, the blue haired girl as fuchsia pre-bomf, and the red-skinned boy as well, satan.