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* This troper hasn't read much into this yet, but noticed something about Priscilla. She has seven different support options: ''all'' of them with men, ''all'' of them occur faster than normal (most have one extremely slow option), and ''all'' of them are with early (read: good) characters. Is it just me, or is she[[Distaff Counterpart|...]][[Kidanova|yeah]].
** Only four of those supports are romantic. The other three are there for backstory purposes.
*** Probably. [[Brother -Sister Incest|We're still not sure about Raven.]]
**** Aren't we? I mean, this IS Fire Emblem...
** This troper has always seen Priscilla as being <s>clingy</s> dependent on strong male figures, probably because she harbored a [[Brother -Sister Incest|creepy obsession]] for her brother her whole life.
 
== Think of the children! ==
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* In FE 10 why did NoA change Brad to Aran, aside from the fact that it creates a few issues because an Aran already existed in the seris (one that would appear in the next english released game no less) but Brad is a name that is common in English!
** English names are chosen for Japanese game characters to make them sound foreign, exotic or mysterious - compare Terra from Final Fantasy VI, whose Japanese character name was Tina. Thus, when translating the game, often-times English-origin names are swapped out for names that are more foreign to the English audience, to maintain the intended effect.
*** Because a minor character with less than 2 dozen lines is named as such to be exotic (not to mention Brad isn't any more or less exotic than Aran) another question, why not take the simpler route and call FE11's Arran [[Spell My Name With an "S"|Alan]] after they fubared
**** What is this mysterious Fire Emblem 11 people keep talking about? A remake is not enough to justify a new number, people. Otherwise Final Fantasy would be on FF 1 Million by now.
***** Do you ''really'' want to hold up FF versioning as the standard? Can you imagine FE7 as FE6-2 or FE6 Ante?
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== Holy shit, a ghost! ==
* If you let Bartre die in ''Blazing Blade'', the epilogue says that he survived--which makes sense as he appears again in ''Sword of Seals''. However, the same is not true of Karel, who also appears in ''Sword of Seals'', nor of Rebecca or Nino, both of whom are canonically the mothers of characters in ''Sword of Seals'' and [[Token Mini -Moe|neither of which had been remotely sexually active beforehand]].
** That we know of.
*** ''[[Squick|Ewwwww]]''.
**** What? And before you start with [[What the Hell, Hero?|the]] [[Lolicon|accusations]], that can easily be a case of [[Values Dissonance]] mixed in with a degree of [[Truth in Television]] and/or [[Shown Their Work]]. Back in the day - [[Older Than Steam|the time of William Shakespeare is a great example]] - people had a MUCH lower life expectancy than is enjoyed today, since we get the benefit of all those neat medicines, [[Crazy Prepared]] hospitals, etc. So, in order to perpetuate the species, it was normal for women to bear children at earlier ages. In the original [[Romeo and Juliet]], IIRC, Juliet was... what, fourteen - [[Depending On the Writer|sometimes]], even thirteen or TWELVE - according to most sources? [[Fridge Brilliance|Considering that the setting and general level of society/technology appears to be that timeframe]] [[Like Reality Unless Noted]], [[Shown Their Work|this makes a great deal more sense]]. In a matter of fact, in some Third World countries ''today'', that (relative) social norm is still in effect.
*** Lugh and Ray were 14 in [[FE 6]], and Nino was 14 in [[FE 7]]. [[FE 6]] took place 20 years after [[FE 7]]. Therefore, Nino was 20 years old when she gave birth to Lugh and Ray. She HAD to survive at least six years past [[FE 7]].
 
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== There isn't that much! ==
* What's up with saying Fire Emblem is obsessed with [[Brother -Sister Incest|incest]]? Cuz I'm not seeing it. The only ones that give very strong vibes are Raven/Priscilla and Eirika/Ephraim. All other FE sibs (Marth/Elice, Minerva/Michalis, Tethys/Ewan, Tana/Innes, Ike/Mist, Reyson/Leanne, Makalov/Marcia, etc.) have pretty normal sibling relationships. Okay, ''maybe'' Klein/Clarice skirted a bit close to it, but not enough to turn too many heads.
** While it's true that Fire Emblem has its share of platonic sibling relationships (all of which you listed there, except, of course, the exceptions), I'm guessing the majority of them are forgotten at large because of the...uh...more questionable brother-sister relationships in the franchise. Even without the already mentioned suspect pairs, that's not even going into ''Genealogy of the Holy War'', which has incestuous relationships/overtones in ''spades''. Let's see... {{spoiler|Claude and Sylvia are not only ''strongly'' hinted at being siblings in the game, but are a predestined pair and can have children in the next generation; Lachesis and her brother Eltshan basically have a magnified version of Klein and Clarine's relationship, and then there's half-siblings Diadora and Alvis, or Celice and Julia.}} Siblings aside, this is barely even bringing up the other [[Incest Is Relative|couples]] that can occur in the game... Anyway, I'd say Fire Emblem is pretty good at giving incest options to the player, whether intentionally or not. (Roy and Lilina, anyone? I was amused to find that you could, in fact, make 'em ''[[Kissing Cousins|cousins]]'' in the prequel.)
** How would Roy and Lilina be cousins? Eliwood and Hector don't become brothers just because you get them to A support. They become [[No Yay|close friends]].
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****** It does when they're making assumptions based on ''no evidence''. All I did was answer the OP's question: Why do people see sexual subtext in every brother-sister pairing in the FE series? Because that's what modern culture has conditioned us to do. We've become so oversexed that we interpret ''every expression of affection'' as [[Perverse Sexual Lust]]. I'm not denying that genuine subtext can be present in a work of fiction. Nor am I claiming that every single claim of sexual subtext is conjured from nothing by nasty perverts. All I'm saying is that people ''jump to ridiculous conclusions'' based on completely innocent scenes. You said it yourself. The simple fact that Eirika ''didn't get married'' in one of the many possible endings somehow makes people "suspicious" that she's having sex with her brother. That is not a rational assumption based on logical reasoning. That is a ''ridiculous'' assumption based on "nonsensical'' reasoning. The only person who would see sexual subtext there is someone who, in your words, "is a pervert with shipping goggles perma-glued to their face".
******* Fine, so maybe some people are perverts whose shipping goggles are on too tight. But let me ask you this: What gives you the authority to say "that's wrong" and try to shame people for it? Because that's kinda what it sounds like you're doing. Last time I checked, it wasn't anyone's job to play the Morals Police in the [[Fire Emblem]] fandom.
******** I'm not trying to play Morals Police on anyone. I mean, I'm not gonna lie and say I approve of incest fetishism, but I'm not trying to flagellate people who are incest fetishists (although those people do squick me out). For that matter, I'm not even really saying incest shippers are categorically wrong. '''All''' I am saying is that, 9 times out of 10, FE incest shippers are ''jumping to unsupported conclusions''. Ephraim and Eirika may or may not have an incestuous relationship. But incest shippers are constantly seeing sexual innuendos in dialogue that, when viewed objectively, is perfectly innocent. I will admit the ''possibility'' that Eirika and Ephraim ''might'' have or have had in the past an incestuous relationship. What I have a problem with is when people declare that they MUST be having incestuous sex based purely on the fact that Ephraim once stroked Eirika's cheek and Eirika canonically never got married. The former is indicative only of the fact that FE draws heavily on Medieval European culture, which did NOT consider such displays of affection between siblings suggestive in any way. And the latter is indicative of nothing at all. If an incest shipper produces some official game art of two sibling characters making out with each other, a [[Word of God]] statement from Intelligent Systems confirming the existence of [[Brother -Sister Incest]], an ''explicitly'' sexual and/or romantic exchange of dialogue between two sibling characters, or some other form of ''proof'' to back up their [[Brother -Sister Incest]] theories, I am more than willing to acknowledge that proof and say "Well, I guess you were right all along. Good eye." But so far all I've seen (and I admit I have not played every FE game so there may be some brother-sister dialogue that is more explicit that I haven't seen) is a bunch of people jumping to wild, unsubstantiated conclusions and seeing innuendoes where they don't exist.<br />And, returning to my original point, I submit that the ''reason'' for this phenomenon is because our culture has become so radically oversexed. Things that would have been considered perfectly innocent to previous generations are considered sexually suggestive today because modern culture has sex on the brain. And for the record, I'm '''not''' saying this is automatically a bad thing. It CAN be a bad thing when it causes people to see sexual subtext where it doesn't exist. But it also allows us to see certain subtleties in works of fiction that would have otherwise gone unnoticed. (Although as a culture we could probably stand to be a ''little'' less obsessed with sex.) Hell, I myself am not immune. More than once I've found myself raising an eyebrow at some of the dialogue exchanged between certain FE siblings and instinctually jumped to some rather squicky conclusions. And when I watched Return of the King even I couldn't help but "see" the same homoerotic undertones in the relationship between Frodo and Sam that everyone else "saw". The difference, however, is that I am capable of looking past those cultural biases when necessary and seeing things objectively, which is something that too many shippers seem incapable of doing.
********* Going by that logic means that no pairing in most the games is plausible to you because they are all open. [[FE 6]] has many pairings that aren't necessarily canon, you just know that they could have ended up either or, and it works. This is Fire Emblem, the reason they leave so many not stated is because they want you to interpret it. You are just pushing your own dogma on everyone. Acting like just because people are creating a pairing that you don't see makes them a pervert just means that you are being shallow and close minded, something you can't expect to be on a site like this. Even subtext such as the Sieglinde and Siegmund thing can be a big point for most people. You yourself are trying to play Word of God to everyone with a different opinion than you.
********** Woah, calm down you two. I can see valid point in both of the statements you are making (I think there is a tendency in modern culture to create unintended subtext, but at the same time that doesn't mean subtext wasn't necessarily there), but I would like to point something out that neither one of you seemed to mention. In my opinion, subtext of [[Brother -Sister Incest]] doesn't always mean that there is an actual physical relationship. Perhaps the two are in love with each other (note: by this I mean romantic love, not sibling love), but never acted on it because of the taboos associated with it. If you look at it this way, Eirika never getting married could provide evidence that they were in love with each other. That said, it doesn't mean that this is the case either. It's just evidence that could be seen that way if looked at from a certain perspective. [[Ship to Ship Combat|Please don't hit me...]]
** On the main topic: While people exaggerate saying the series is chokefull of incest, it still has certainly more than most [[JRP Gs]]. That + [[Never Live It Down]] = This.
 
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