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== Jedi and Sith are equally evil. ==

They both see [[Muggles|non-Force-enabled beings]] as little more than pawns in their power struggle, and the allegedly "good" Jedi have no compunction against using their power to manipulate others into doing things they wouldn't otherwise do. The rest of the galaxy would do well to rise up and throw off the Jedi/Sith yoke. But surely the Sith are much worse than the Jedi, you say, having done things such as destroying an inhabited planet? Not so fast -- we don't see it on screen, since [[~~Writtenbythe~~ Winners|the victors write the historical documents]], but let's not forget the [http://www.theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html Endor Holocaust] (which, admittedly, [[No Endor Holocaust|didn't happen]]).

They both see [[Muggles|non-Force-enabled beings]] as little more than pawns in their power struggle, and the allegedly "good" Jedi have no compunction against using their power to manipulate others into doing things they wouldn't otherwise do. The rest of the galaxy would do well to rise up and throw off the Jedi/Sith yoke. But surely the Sith are much worse than the Jedi, you say, having done things such as destroying an inhabited planet? Not so fast -- we don't see it on screen, since [[Written By the Winners|the victors write the historical documents]], but let's not forget the [http://www.theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html Endor Holocaust] (which, admittedly, [[No Endor Holocaust|didn't happen]]).

* The Endor non-holocaust was not the work of Force-users, but of plain old Rebels in plain old spaceships. Even Luke was otherwise occupied at the time.

* This possibly implies that ''Anakin was created by the Force to overthrow both Jedi and Sith and create a new breed of Force-users, led by his offspring.'' Luke takes on the "Jedi" moniker, but the order he creates bears little resemblance to the original.

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== Prequel-era Jedi were actually allowed to marry and form families ==

''However'', this comes with a '''big''' caveat. Having a family means attachment which Jedi are not supposed to cultivate. They are supposed to see the needs of the many over the needs of the few and this requires a substantial amount of discipline and responsibility to accept, so the Order has [[Shoot Your Mate]] (or more likely, Abandon Your Mate)-style tests to prove a Jedi's willingness to accept their spouses and children are to come second to the greater whole. Those who succeed are allowed to stay, but those who fail are given a choice: leave your love, or leave the Order, because they can't afford to have someone bug out in the middle of an important mission that would determine the lives of millions/billions because someone tried to [[~~Its~~ Not You ~~Its~~ My Enemies|kidnap the Jedi's family to influence the process]] and it would be cruel to potentially put them in that situation. As for why they don't form relationships with other Jedi, such Jedi would be dealing with a combination of a lifetime of indoctrination and a view of the Order that would be like the [~~http://en.~~wikipedia~~.org/wiki/Imprinting_~~(psychology)#~~Westermarck_effect~~ Westermark Effect], meaning they would see other members as [[Squick|siblings]].

''However'', this comes with a '''big''' caveat. Having a family means attachment which Jedi are not supposed to cultivate. They are supposed to see the needs of the many over the needs of the few and this requires a substantial amount of discipline and responsibility to accept, so the Order has [[Shoot Your Mate]] (or more likely, Abandon Your Mate)-style tests to prove a Jedi's willingness to accept their spouses and children are to come second to the greater whole. Those who succeed are allowed to stay, but those who fail are given a choice: leave your love, or leave the Order, because they can't afford to have someone bug out in the middle of an important mission that would determine the lives of millions/billions because someone tried to [[It's Not You, It's My Enemies|kidnap the Jedi's family to influence the process]] and it would be cruel to potentially put them in that situation. As for why they don't form relationships with other Jedi, such Jedi would be dealing with a combination of a lifetime of indoctrination and a view of the Order that would be like the [[wikipedia:Imprinting (psychology)#Westermarck effect|Westermark Effect]], meaning they would see other members as [[Squick|siblings]].

As for why Anakin didn't try for this... Anakin was [[The Chosen One]], a glory hound, and was impulsive, vain and undisciplined. He had a lot of pressure to fulfill the prophecy, liked the idea of being the Galaxy's number one hero, and would fail that "Jedi Marriage Test" on reputation alone. He couldn't fulfill all three, but wanted to, so he had to keep his relationship secret (which would get him expelled because he went and got married without the Order's approval), and this spiraled until Anakin had his [[Shoot Your Mate]] scenario play out (but was under actual field conditions), and we all saw how well that turned out.

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** Excuse me? Who ordered the clones? Oh, right, Palpatine. Why did the Jedi accept and lead the troops? Oh, right, because Palpatine created the Seperatist faction as such a threat that an army was necessary, and the choice was either use the Jedi (aka, closest thing to an army Republic has) to lead these conveniently-here troops, or be crushed by superior numbers. The clones were only slaves because of Palpatine's machinations, and the Jedi only led them because Palpatine's [[Xanatos Gambit]] left them no other choice. The Jedi are just as much victims in the "slavery and child soldiers" issue as the Mandalorians- never forget that it is Palpatine that is the root of this evil. Blame the Jedi, and you're falling for propaganda Palpatine set up to discredit the Jedi.

*** Pardon me, but if the Republic's in danger, surely the good people of the Republic can get off their butts and defend their own society! Instead they violate the Rights of Sentience in their own bloody charter (the one prohibiting slavery), and look the other way while slaves and child conscripts do their fighting for them. Even if the Republic itself did not have a standing army, there were plenty of planetary and sector defense forces that could have been assembled into an army the same way state militias were compiled into armies as required in American history up to the Civil War. There's also the matter of a draft for citizens, which dates back to Babylon, and which most democracies have on the books today. They even could have gone the Elizabeth I route and recruited privateers like mad. "Here's a license to wreak merry mayhem on enemy ships. We take 20% of the haul." (Privateers seem to be the bulk of the Rebel's "Navy"). Considering the Rebels had a lot fewer troops and resources, but were able to hold their own against the Empire in a match-up that was a hell of a lot more lopsided than the Clone Wars ever got? I do not kriffing buy the "they had no other option" excuse.

** So, we have two infants. They train 'em the "traditional" way, and it'll get the wrong kind of attention. So, they take a gamble. Set one up with an ally - change her name, put her on one of the Core Worlds, give her all the military, diplomatic, and political training, browbeat in the sense of duty...everything aside from the Force use. Now, take the other, give him NO training at all. Hide him ''right'' where you'd expect your foe to look (middle of nowhere, Anakin's home planet, and with Anakin's stepbrother!). Plant your spy (Obi-Wan) there, and just wait. Because of the Rule of Two, there are only two Sith to worry about at any given time. Sooner or later, (according to plan) Vader or Palaptine would make a move and grab the boy for an apprentice. This would cause the inevitable [[Duel to The Death]] that establishes Sith leadership, leaving ONE [[Badass]] level Sith and (maybe) a green apprentice that could be easily killed by two Jedi Masters. After pulling this stunt, they could successfully pull a [[But Thou Must]] on Leia, who would no doubt take it and accept the orthodox Jedi principles out of duty.

** So, we have two infants. They train 'em the "traditional" way, and it'll get the wrong kind of attention. So, they take a gamble. Set one up with an ally - change her name, put her on one of the Core Worlds, give her all the military, diplomatic, and political training, browbeat in the sense of duty...everything aside from the Force use. Now, take the other, give him NO training at all. Hide him ''right'' where you'd expect your foe to look (middle of nowhere, Anakin's home planet, and with Anakin's stepbrother!). Plant your spy (Obi-Wan) there, and just wait. Because of the Rule of Two, there are only two Sith to worry about at any given time. Sooner or later, (according to plan) Vader or Palaptine would make a move and grab the boy for an apprentice. This would cause the inevitable [[Duel to The Death]] that establishes Sith leadership, leaving ONE [[Badass]] level Sith and (maybe) a green apprentice that could be easily killed by two Jedi Masters. After pulling this stunt, they could successfully pull a [[But Thou Must!]] on Leia, who would no doubt take it and accept the orthodox Jedi principles out of duty.

== There's only one rule to the Force: die in front of Luke. ==

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But not the traditional version of him, rather the severely flawed Jesus depicted in ''[[Jesus Christ Superstar]]''. There are a number of parallels between Anakin and Obiwan's relationship, especially in ''[[Revenge of the Sith]]'', and Jesus and Judas in ''Superstar''. In fact, ''RotS'' has several plot points in common, such as the concern over what if the Jedi council found out about Anakin and Padme, compared with Judas worrying about the Romans finding out about Jesus and Mary Magdalene, Anakin turning to the dark side being set off by the Jedi council asking him to spy on Palpatine, compared with what Jesus found at the temple, and Obiwan being forced to betray Anakin, his best friend, with Judas' forced betrayal of Jesus.

== Leia has [~~http://en.~~wikipedia~~.org/wiki/~~Hyperthymesia Hyperthymesia]. ==

== Leia has [[wikipedia:Hyperthymesia|Hyperthymesia]]. ==

How else would she be able to remember her mother at such a young age?

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{{quote| '''Yoda:''' (to Luke) When nine hundred years old you reach, look this good you will not, hmm?}}

* In a foreign language dub, this is exactly what Yoda says: "You will look like this when you reach 900 years of age too!"

* If you want to get into cross-universe speculation, {{spoiler|the series three finale of ''[[~~Doctor Who (TV)|~~Doctor Who]]'' had the Doctor looking a bit Yoda-like after being "aged" by the Master. Maybe Davies was inspired by this theory?}}

* If you want to get into cross-universe speculation, {{spoiler|the series three finale of ''[[Doctor Who]]'' had the Doctor looking a bit Yoda-like after being "aged" by the Master. Maybe Davies was inspired by this theory?}}

** Which makes Yoda a Time Lord!

*** Well, Yoda does resemble William Hartnell (the First Doctor) at some points.

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Aside from the "Star Wars Transformers" toys (which are different from real Transformers), there are two sentient races of robots in the Star Wars EU: the Silentium and the Abominor. They are diametrically opposed. The one Abominor that we see, the Great Heep, isn't really an Abominor -- he's a [[MacGuffin]] of the week from the old show. (That, or he's a mode-locked Decepticon.) While we never see any of the Silentium transform, they could easily just be holding it back.

== The Empire fended off a [[Doctor Who ~~(TV)~~|Dalek]] attack years ago. ==

== The Empire fended off a [[Doctor Who|Dalek]] attack years ago. ==

Some time between ROTS and ANH, the Galactic Empire was attacked by Daleks. Some of them even attempted infiltration by masquerading their "travel machines" as repair droids. However, they were no match for Darth Vader and were promptly exterminated. In the aftermath of the attack, the Emperor decided that for security reasons, he couldn't allow just any droid to climb up stairs, and ordered their hovering equipment removed. That's why R2-D2 can't E-LE-VATE anymore.

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*** Of course, we can counter that with [http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/07/23/ this]

*** Geez, it's just the standard [[Translation Convention]] at work, [[Hold Your Hippogriffs|nothing to get your mynocks in a sarlacc about.]]

** NOBODY in the ''[[Sci Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale|WHOLE GALAXY]]''? Wow. Just... wow. Must have taken you ''years'' of research to check every name... except for the ''trillions'' of unnamed inhabitants of twenty million ''whole worlds'', of course. Besides, [[Star Wars]] has a buttload of things named after real-world people, places, and concepts as an in-joke. Grabbing any one and saying "this proves they're us!" is... wow, just wow.

** NOBODY in the ''[[Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale|WHOLE GALAXY]]''? Wow. Just... wow. Must have taken you ''years'' of research to check every name... except for the ''trillions'' of unnamed inhabitants of twenty million ''whole worlds'', of course. Besides, [[Star Wars]] has a buttload of things named after real-world people, places, and concepts as an in-joke. Grabbing any one and saying "this proves they're us!" is... wow, just wow.

** Then again, [[The Metric System Is Here to Stay|they seem to use metric]], and in one novel someone refers to "Joules."

* The Milky Way is the Galaxy, and the time is the present. The reason we don't have any contact with the Republic or anybody else, is that Earth is one the most distant and forgotten planets in the Galaxy, to the point we don't remember any past contacts with the republic.

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* Alternatively, time is cyclical in [[Star Wars]], so it's both the future and the past.

* Maybe the narrator is lying and it isn't "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away", which would explain how they have humans...unless maybe some Star Wars DNA managed to cross to our galaxy and land on Earth a few million years ago. As to how they speak English...I guess we have to assume that it is translated for us movie goers. Same thing with "Achilles Heel", could be their version was just translated for us. That's the explanation that Tolkien gives for his stuff.

* You're all making this much too complicated: by definition, the terms "a long time ago" and "far, far away" are synonymous, since space and time are the same thing. Likewise, all faster-than-light travel is, by definition, [~~http://en.~~wikipedia~~.org/wiki/Faster_than_light_travel~~ a form of time-travel into the past]. So at some point in the future of planet Earth, human beings will develop faster-than-light travel, and eventually use it to travel to and colonize distant galaxies. Of course, the colonists will arrive in those other galaxies long before they left ours. As such, the events depicted in the films are occurring "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away," from the perspective of our galaxy. So you see, it's really simple.

* You're all making this much too complicated: by definition, the terms "a long time ago" and "far, far away" are synonymous, since space and time are the same thing. Likewise, all faster-than-light travel is, by definition, [[wikipedia:Faster than light travel|a form of time-travel into the past]]. So at some point in the future of planet Earth, human beings will develop faster-than-light travel, and eventually use it to travel to and colonize distant galaxies. Of course, the colonists will arrive in those other galaxies long before they left ours. As such, the events depicted in the films are occurring "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away," from the perspective of our galaxy. So you see, it's really simple.

** Hyperspace is a form of extra-dimensional warp drive, it would fall under 'Apparent' FTL travel and not real FTL travel. Time travel is not a consequence of Star Wars' Hyperdrive.

* The reason why there are [[Rubber Forehead Aliens]]? They're humans who, due to evolution/genetic engineering, have become new species to adapt to the many planets. There are some exceptions, like Plo Koon(who can't survive in oxygen).

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== We created all the aliens seen in Star Wars. ==

Yet another "it's the future" WMG: ''all'' of the lifeforms in the Galaxy are created by, or are, far-future post-humans, who [[Terraform]] millions of planets seeded with genetically varied life, including a few "heirloom" original-stock humans recreated for study of the posthumans' ancient roots. The Midichlorians are far-future biotechnology, originally developed as a communications system, but which escaped into the populace and mutated into a quantum energy-transfer array that interfaces (imperfectly) with the nervous system, thus using "the force" requires a great deal of practice and mental discipline or intense focus; and even then subconscious influences can creep in. At some point a cataclysm, war, or other galaxy-wide event reduced the planets to stone age barbarism, destroyed all traced of the superrace, and everyone had to start from scratch. Alternately, prhaps the posthumans decided to give their creations a chance to develop on their own, and stripped away all of their own technology and left to start again elsewere or [[Ascend to A Higher Plane of Existence]]. However, a few items were left behind and found, allowing the inhabitants-- once they developed enough technological savvy -- to reverse-engineer [[Faster Than Light Travel|hyperdrive]], [[Artificial Gravity]], Strong AI brains, and a few other devices, while [[Schizo Tech|still using relatively crude machines and methods]] for other purposes.

Yet another "it's the future" WMG: ''all'' of the lifeforms in the Galaxy are created by, or are, far-future post-humans, who [[Terraform]] millions of planets seeded with genetically varied life, including a few "heirloom" original-stock humans recreated for study of the posthumans' ancient roots. The Midichlorians are far-future biotechnology, originally developed as a communications system, but which escaped into the populace and mutated into a quantum energy-transfer array that interfaces (imperfectly) with the nervous system, thus using "the force" requires a great deal of practice and mental discipline or intense focus; and even then subconscious influences can creep in. At some point a cataclysm, war, or other galaxy-wide event reduced the planets to stone age barbarism, destroyed all traced of the superrace, and everyone had to start from scratch. Alternately, prhaps the posthumans decided to give their creations a chance to develop on their own, and stripped away all of their own technology and left to start again elsewere or [[Ascend to A Higher Plane of Existence]]. However, a few items were left behind and found, allowing the inhabitants-- once they developed enough technological savvy -- to reverse-engineer [[Faster-Than-Light Travel|hyperdrive]], [[Artificial Gravity]], Strong AI brains, and a few other devices, while [[Schizo-Tech|still using relatively crude machines and methods]] for other purposes.

* Similarly, the Sith created all the aliens. That's why there are reptiles with breasts, carnivorous bunnies, and other craziness.

* Sooooo...StarWars and [[Red Dwarf (TV)|Red Dwarf]] take place in the same universe?

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** [[Badass Decay|Han won't shoot at all!]] He'll just beg Greedo for mercy until - nah, just kidding. Greedo will shoot exactly 1 frame (more or less) before Han, so that fans can interpret it either way but so that it's ultimately (and canonically) Lucas' preferred scenario of Greedo shooting first.

*** This is actually all based on a misunderstanding. Lucas has said that he never wanted Greedo to shoot first, he merely included that to preserve the PG-rating.

**** Possibly (and hopefully so), but [http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_1202.html George Lucas recently said otherwise]. [http://gizmodo.com/5884061/george-lucas-now-says-that-han-never-shot-first-as-he-shoves-star-wars-3d-down-your-throat Twice]. He's pretty infamous for [[Flip Flop of God|constantly changing his mind]]. Another possibility: instead of barely shooting just before Greedo, Han will ''ostentatiously'' shoot several seconds after Greedo just to drive Lucas' point home and show that he's always right.

**** Possibly (and hopefully so), but [http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_1202.html George Lucas recently said otherwise]. [http://gizmodo.com/5884061/george-lucas-now-says-that-han-never-shot-first-as-he-shoves-star-wars-3d-down-your-throat Twice]. He's pretty infamous for [[Flip-Flop of God|constantly changing his mind]]. Another possibility: instead of barely shooting just before Greedo, Han will ''ostentatiously'' shoot several seconds after Greedo just to drive Lucas' point home and show that he's always right.

** The puppet Yoda will be replaced with a CGI Yoda (one that resembles the puppet more than the prequel Yoda) in all shots.

** Lightsabers will constantly flip back and forth between being their correct colors and being odd color-time-error-caused colors such as hot pink for Darth Vader.

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== Yodaspeak and Galactic Standard ==

We all know that Yoda speaks oddly, and that it's probably that Galactic Standard isn't his first language. This is untrue, sort of. The fact of the matter is that Yoda is nearly 900 years old by the time the films take place. 900 years ago from now is the early 12th century. If you listen to or read anything from the 12th century, it's going to be drastically different linguistically speaking from the modern form of the language. So, my theory is that Yoda's native language has evolved into modern Galactic Standard. Here's my proof:

* Yoda's speech doesn't have a set word order. Rather than chalking this up to scriptwriter laziness, we can assume that this is actually how Yoda speaks. This suggests that in Yoda's native language, word order doesn't matter as much as [~~http~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_case~~ cases] and verb conjugations do. This means that the language is highly [~~http://en.~~wikipedia~~.org/wiki/Fusional_language~~ fusional].

* Yoda's speech doesn't have a set word order. Rather than chalking this up to scriptwriter laziness, we can assume that this is actually how Yoda speaks. This suggests that in Yoda's native language, word order doesn't matter as much as [[wikipedia:Grammatical case|cases]] and verb conjugations do. This means that the language is highly [[wikipedia:Fusional language|fusional]].

* Yoda's sound set is quite similar to modern English, but isn't quite.

These two hints mean that Yoda's native language probably sounded similar to Anglo-Saxon. Or through the [[Translation Convention]] of Star Wars, was probably Anglo-Saxon. And over the last 900 years, what did Anglo-Saxon evolve into? It evolved into English.