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* [[Alternate Character Interpretation]]: Quite a bit of this in fandom. Anakin Skywalker is a [[Base Breaker]] (as stated below) - is he a self-involved brat who always whines how hard his life is or a hapless Pawn of Prophecy or a poor misunderstood [[Woobie]] who would have been fine if those cold and unfeeling Jedi had just tried harder to understand him? Well, it depends which fans you ask.
** Also, is Anakin's distrust and [[Face Heel Turn|eventual betrayal]] of the Jedi [[Justified]]? Was he in the right when he got outraged about not being allowed on the Jedi council? Anakin's ego gets the better of him eventually, but is this Anakin just being overly entitled, or is it actually true when he says [[Dude, Where's My Respect?|he deserves to be treated better]] than to get shafted by the Jedi, after all the heroic feats he performed throughout the years? All in all, it's subjective whether Anakin's angst is justified or not, and depending on which side you're on, your interpretation of the character will be wildly different depending on whether you think he's treated unfairly or he's simply demanding way too much.
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*** It could also be inferred that Obi-Wan himself is something of an [[Unreliable Narrator]] who tends to emphasise his own failures and relative culpability (which would fit in the self-effacing characterisation mentioned above). For instance, When Obi-Wan tells Luke that Anakin's fall was partially his fault because "I thought I could instruct him as well as Yoda. I was wrong." in [[Return of the Jedi]] it somewhat implies that Obi-Wan must have arrogantly demanded to train someone that Yoda would have been ''willing to train'' and done a better job with. Come [[The Phantom Menace]] this is shown clearly not to be the case. Obi-Wan is perhaps a little arrogant in the way he demands to train the boy, but it seems clear that a) Yoda was not willing to do the job and b) the demand is driven by his promise to a dying man rather that any belief in his own abilities as a teacher. And there doesn't seem to be any cases where Obi Wan tries to represent his role in events to be bigger or better than is actually seen or to place blame for his problems on others. Maybe he really is that humble and/or shy of taking praise or credit?
* [[Anti-Villain]]: Darth Vader, at least in comparison to Tarkin or [[Complete Monster|Palpatine.]]
** [[Revenge of the Sith]] gives him the excuse of {{spoiler|being so desperate to save Padme that he decides to learn from Palpatine, who in turn brainwashes him to think of the Sith as a force for peace and the Jedi as trying to take over.}}
** [[A New Hope]], though portraying Vader as considerably vicious, also portrays him as a voice of humility during discussions with Imperial officers.
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'''Vader''': Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy an entire planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force. }}
** [[The Empire Strikes Back]] has Vader [[Up to Eleven|even more ruthless than before]], but {{spoiler|the conversation between Vader and Palpatine makes clear that Vader is still subservient to Palpatine.}} A conversation with Luke, presumably via a Force connection, shows he's starting to develop feelings for his son, which gradually become more obvious in the sixth film (see below).
** And of course, [[Return of the Jedi]] has Vader [[Papa Wolf|show genuine concern for his son Luke]], eventually {{spoiler|killing Palpatine to save him, [[Redemption Equals Death|at the cost of his own life]] and more.}}
* [[Awesome Music]]: Oh you'd better believe it. After more than four decades, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54hoKbTWon4 John Williams' iconic score] has ''never'' gotten old.
* [[Badass Decay]]: [[Chickification|Padme Amidala]], when she becomes pregnant with twins in ''[[Revenge of the Sith]]''.
** Possibly justified, because... ''she's eight to nine months pregnant!''
** Some people also say this about Anakin in the prequels, though this would qualify in-universe as [[Took a Level
*** And maybe a temporary peak in Badassery for the Clone Wars cartoons which decayed again by the time [[Revenge of the Sith]] rolled around.
* [[Base Breaker]]: [[Dark Messiah|Anakin Skywalker]]
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*** For the 2006 "Limited Edition" with the original theatrical versions, some fans were gleeful/grateful that Lucas ''finally'' let them see [[The Dog Shot First|Han shoot first]], see Sebastian Shaw's ghost instead of Hayden Christensen's, hear Jason Wingreen as Boba Fett, watch Jabba's performers sing "Lapti Nek", etc. Other fans were extremely critical about the poor quality of the originals<ref>they were simply a non-anamorphic laserdisc transfer</ref> and believed that Lucas was intentionally creating an inferior product to [[Troll|suit his own purposes]].
*** For the Blu-ray versions, on one hand, you have the picture quality, the boatload of extras and the opportunity to watch all six movies in brilliant hi-def. On the other hand, you have [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks|the various edits]] (and Lucas' refusal to revert old unpopular edits such as Greedo shooting first), horribly lame cover art that shows how much [[Creator's Pet|Lucas loves Jake Lloyd]], and [[Department of Redundancy Department|the picture quality]].
* [[Better
* [[Broken Base]]: There is a schism between fans who insist that the original trilogy is the best and that the prequels can piss off, the fans who believe that the entire series is good, and the fans who enjoy the prequels but find the originals to be outdated. There are also fans who enjoy the [[Expanded Universe]] and those who don't care for it. More generally, there is a related but not identical schism between pro-Lucas and anti-Lucas fans.
* [[Canon
** Partially. Much of the elements from it, such as Chewbacca's relatives, Life Day, and Kashyyyk's architecture have still remained part of the canon.
* [[Canon Fodder]]: Despite the [[Expanded Universe]], or maybe because of it.
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* [[Continuity Drift]]: Concepts such as Luke's parentage, Obi-Wan's master and Leia's relatives.
* [[Crowning Music of Awesome]]: All of it. Yes, we do mean ''[[So Cool Its Awesome|all of it]]''. Check the [[John Williams/Awesome Music|Star Wars folder on John William's page]] and believe.
* [[Deconstruction Fic]]: Deconstructing the morality of the good guys, particularly the Jedi, the Republic, and their successors. A lot. After all, there has to be a reason why technology never seems to advance.
* [[Defanged Horrors]]: Each movie gave us a new, different creature for our heroes to go up against.
** ''A New Hope'' had the dianoga, the monster in the trash compactor scene.
** ''Empire'' had the wampa, as well as a brief glimpse of some swamp creature, ''and'' the space slug on the asteroid. Deep-freezing Solo could also be considered unsettling.
** ''ROTJ'' had the rancor and the sarlacc.
** The Jedi faced three underwater beasts in ''The Phantom Menace''.
** The arena scene in ''Attack of the Clones'' also had three creatures, each trying to kill one of the heroes.
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** The way Anakin becomes Darth Vader (being mutilated and burnt almost to death while screaming to Obi-Wan "I hate you!") is definitely disturbing to watch.
* [[Designated Protagonist Syndrome]]: A sizeable portion of the fanbase believe Luke to be the least interesting character in the original trilogy due to his status as an [[Audience Surrogate]], starting the series as an inexperienced teenager and for being surrounded by a more complex and interesting supporting character.
* [[Enhanced
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: With the amount of time Star Wars has been around, there have been many, but none so much as Boba Fett, whose death in Return of the Jedi was eventually changed so that he survived falling into the Sarlacc pit. Also, Wedge Antilles, who went from a single appearance in the first film to appearing in all three of the original trilogy ''and'' considerable [[Expanded Universe|EU]] following. The [[X Wing Series|X-Wing series]], anyone?
** From the prequels we have [[The Dragon|Darth Maul]] (for being a very sinister-looking supreme [[Badass]]) and Mace Windu (a more heroic example - also for being a supreme [[Badass]], but played by [[Samuel L. Jackson]] in this case). Both are exceedingly popular despite their reduced roles compared to other characters (especially Maul).
** Kit Fisto also seems to be quite popular with fans of the prequels, even though he only appeared a couple of times briefly in Episode II, and once (before he dies) in Episode III. [[Go Out with a Smile|His grin]] seems to be what does it for most people.
*** Also the fact that his last name is "Fisto" does it for [[
** Admiral Ackbar. A lot of people forget that he only appears in the second half of ''Return Of The Jedi'', but a combination of his unique look, his voice, and a [[Memetic Mutation|three word phrase of warning]] propelled him into fan consciousness.
** Grievous as well.
* [[Evil Is Cool]]: Darth Vader pretty much kicked this trope into high gear and set the standard for future fictional villains. Most of the series' other villains are well-loved too.
** Palpatine also deserves special mention; don't deny how badass it would be if you could '''shoot lightning out of your fingertips'''.
* [[Fandom Heresy]]: Criticizing Yoda. In the right circles, admitting you liked the prequels (or worse, the [[Updated Rerelease|Updated Rereleases]] of the originals) can be this, too. Among the absolute most "purist" fans, even ''[[Return of the Jedi]]'' isn't always safe.
* [[Fanon Discontinuity]]: There is a small, but vocal, segment of fans that consider the prequels and edits to the original trilogy non-canon. There is also a substantial segment of the fan base that would like to pretend that all of Lucas's entries in the series after ''Return of the Jedi'' never existed.
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** The original ''Star Wars'' film itself drew from many sources. The ''[[The Hidden Fortress|Hidden Fortress]]'' connection is well known. The ''[[Dune]]''-Tattooine inspiration is pretty obvious. You can tell [[George Lucas]] must have seen at least ''[[Space Battleship Yamato]]'' episodes 26, 1, and 8, in that order, so we can probably pin his famous trip to Japan down to early 1975, when the series went into reruns. [[Isaac Asimov]] noticed some similarity to his ''[[Foundation]]'' series but didn't take it personally. As [[wikipedia:Wilson Mizner|Wilson Mizner]] observed, stealing from ''everybody'' is just called "research."
* [[Fountain of Memes]]: [[Memetic Mutation|IT'S A TRAP!]]
** [[Revenge of the Sith | Kenobi telling Anakin to stand down on Mustafar because he had the high ground.]] Literally. It was so bad, that even the [[MythBusters]] did an experiment on this.
* [[Franchise Original Sin]]: Nearly all the flaws of the prequel trilogy, notably excepting [[Romantic Plot Tumor|cheesy romantic scenes]] and [[Conspicuous CG]], were present, albeit in reduced quantities, in the original trilogy as well. Rumor has it that the OT's love story ''would've'' been cheesy, had Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher not come up with far superior lines on their own.
* [[Freud Was Right]]: To wit, Luke has a sexual attraction to his sister, hates his father while considering him a masculine role model, and wants to know about his mother. Anakin's first step to the dark side is avenging his mother.
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** And [[Evil Chancellor|Senator Palpatine]] is Darth Sidious.
** Also, that little green alien is Yoda, Jedi master.
* [[Iron Woobie]]: Obi Wan Kenobi endures an excruciating amount of personal loss and suffering without complaining about it or visibly cracking under the pressure.
* [[Jerkass Woobie]]: Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader.
* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: Palpatine in the Prequel Trilogy. In the original trilogy he's more of a [[Smug Snake]].
** He takes on 4 Jedi Masters (one of them [[Badass|Mace Windu]]) and kills three of them in seconds. He only allows Windu to defeat him so he can [[Wounded Gazelle Gambit|present himself as a helpless victim]] to Anakin and get him to perform an [[Moral Event Horizon|irredeemable act]] that will turn him to the Dark Side. He's also not above using himself as bait in traps, exposing himself to considerable danger in the process. His kidnapping at the start of [[Revenge of the Sith]] was orchestrated to get Anakin into a position where he could kill off Dooku and potentially also get Obi-Wan killed in the line of duty and deprive Anakin of his restraining influence. More famously, in [[Return of the Jedi]] he used his presence aboard the unfinished second Death Star to make a sortie against the battle station all the more irresistible to the rebels, allowing him to ensnare them in a trap that would wipe out their ships and leaders, eliminating their ability to oppose his rein in any organized way once and for all.
* [[Memetic Badass]]: Han Solo, of course.
** R2-D2
** Mace Windu demands to know why he and his purple lightsaber are third on this list, [[Samuel L. Jackson|motherfucker]]!
** Kyle Katarn from the [[Expanded Universe]] is being treated as the ''SW'' universe's answer to [[Chuck Norris]].
** Yoda, ever since his duel with Count Dooku in ''[[Attack of the Clones]]''. Ever since that movie, anytime a [[Pint-Sized Powerhouse]] character is fighting, you can guarantee that they will fight exactly as Yoda does.
** Boba Fett definitely needs to be mentioned. In the original trilogy he actually doesn't ''do'' very much, yet countless fans [[Ensemble Darkhorse|loved him]] and has since been treated as a total badass, despite not really showing this in the movies itself.
* [[Memetic Molester]]: Palpatine, just for his line to Anakin in ''[[The Phantom Menace]]''. The [[Expanded Universe]] makes it even worse.
* [[Memetic Mutation]]: Just about everything. The original trilogy alone has easily the highest degree of quotes per movie ''ever''; for example, doing a Google search for virtually ''any'' line from Episode IV will result in an auto-fill. The prequels slightly less so. Just as general concepts, "[[The Dark Side]]" and "[[The Force]]" have entered mainstream culture.
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'''Darth Vader:''' ''[[Blind Idiot Translation|"DO NOT WANT!"]]''<br />
'''Darth Vader:''' ''"I find your lack of X disturbing."'' }}
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** He'd orchestrated a major intergalactic civil war that has caused the deaths of countless billions on hundreds of planets solely to cement his political power and weaken or destroy all rivals to that power. And he'd been planning it for years prior, to say nothing of all the other evil stuff he ordered in ''[[The Phantom Menace]]'', ''and'' everything we're told he'd done in the [[Expanded Universe]] up to this point. [[Moral Event Horizon]]? That hardly counts as [[But for Me It Was Tuesday|tuesday.]] He'd done ''waaayyyy'' more evil stuff than that throughout the series.
* [[Most Wonderful Sound]]: [[Laser Blade|''Pkshhhhhhhh! Wommmm wommmmm wommmmm Psh!'']]
** During the filming of the prequels, they had to keep reminding Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen to ''stop making lightsaber sounds with their mouths'' because their lips could be seen moving when they did it. In one interview, Liam Neeson also admitted to doing this in rehearsals.
* [[Narm]]: A common complaint levied against quite a bit of the dialogue, especially in the prequels. Lucas admitted his weakness as a writer of dialogue, but is also a fan of melodrama (at one point, Hayden Christensen tried to deliver a line in a calm, realistic manner, but Lucas ordered him to redo it in an over-the-top fashion).
** [[Star Wars]] holds the distinction of being the only film franchise to have [[Narm/Star Wars|its own Narm page]]. Of course, many of these examples overlap with:
* [[Narm Charm]]: Many scenes come across as being cheesy, but they don't detract from how awesome the films are ''that'' much.
* [[Nightmare Fuel]]:Star Wars has it's own page of horrors
** The Sarlacc from ''[[Return of the Jedi]].'' Just start with the idea of being ''[[And I Must Scream|digested over a thousand years]]''. The worst part is that it keeps its victims alive, because it's sentient and wants to be entertained.
** Anakin graphically [[Kill It
* [[Older Than They Think]]: Many fans were upset when ''[[The Rise of Skywalker]]'' revealed that Palpatine had been [[The Man Behind The Man]] the whole time, believing this cheapened Anakin's [[Heroic Sacrifice]] at the end of ''Jedi'' by making it a [[Senseless Sacrifice]]. Of course, this is hardly the first version where Palpatine survived, as [[Expanded Universe]] stories set after the Battle of Endor (now regarded as non-canon due to the movies) show, having prepared numerous clones of himself and using [[Body Surf]]ing to transfer his consciousness to them. In fact, he seriously [[Came Back Strong]], proving capable of a Dark Side technique called a Force Storm that could obliterate all life on a planet. He wasn't truly [[Killed Off For Real]] until the [[Dark Horse Comics]] limited series ''Empire's End 2'', seven years after the events of ''[[Return of the Jedi]]'', and even then, many characters in stories set afterwards wondered if he had truly died. Although, given how it happened, he likely did.
* [[The Problem
* [[Protection From Editors]]: Widely believed to be at least partly responsible for the stumbles in the Prequel Trilogy. When making the Original Trilogy Lucas consulted other film-makers he was on good terms with (including [[Steven Spielberg]] and [[Francis Ford Coppola]]) and awkward dialogue was frequently replaced with [[Throw It In|ad-libbed lines]]. By the time of the Prequels, most of Lucas' film-industry friends weren't available, and everyone else was far more hesitant to criticize or question the man who invented Star Wars.
* [[Ruined FOREVER]]: Just anything (especially, in the prequels) could cause the fans to cry out "[[Ruined FOREVER]]!"
* [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks]]: The revisions made to the original trilogy were not well received by all fans. Those who grew up with the original trilogy and were considerably outraged about the changes that were made to the story and the music. And don't even mention the issue of [[Berserk Button|Greedo shooting first.]]
** This will be more prominent than ever now that the Blu-Ray release of the Original Trilogy has had even MORE changes to it.
*** Let's face it, Star Wars IS this trope, because even if we did get remastered versions of the original theatrical versions, people are still likely to complain for some reason.
* [[The Scrappy]]: In order of appearance (and hatred), [[The Smart Guy|C-3PO]], the Ewoks, [[Alien Scrappy|J]][[Trope Namer|a]][[Ethnic Scrappy|r J]][[Too Dumb to Live|a]][[Unwitting Instigator of Doom|r]], and [[Dark Messiah|Anakin]] (at least to those who hate the prequels).
** [[Creator's Pet]]: Jar Jar and Anakin are mild examples. Although Lucas toned down Jar Jar's presence in the second two prequels, he has not criticized Jar Jar or Anakin in any way (to the point where he ended up starting the [[What Do You Mean It's for Kids?]] debate; see below) and proceeded to insert them<ref>or in Jar Jar's case, possibly a similar character</ref> into the most recent [[
* [[Shocking Swerve]]: Rare successful examples: Vader's being Luke's father and Leia's being his sister. Neither is hinted at in any way (especially the second), but their regarded as great twists all the same.
* [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot]]: Darth Maul, one of the most badass characters in [[The Verse]], {{spoiler|after killing Qui-Gon (previously established as quite the badass himself)), pretty much lets Obi-Wan [[Cracked.com|
** Hey, at least Dooku was played by [[Christopher Lee]], which is always awesome. [[Badass Decay|Grievous]], [[The Worf Effect|on the other hand]]...
* [[Visual Effects of Awesome]]: [[Industrial Light and Magic]] was literally made for this movie.
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