Star Wars: The Force Unleashed/Headscratchers: Difference between revisions

*** The Emperor was planning to '''publicly''' execute three well known and well liked Senators ''before'' they escaped. And it wouldn't be the first time. The whole reason a rebellion is being started is because the Empire frequently and unabashedly commits well-publicized atrocities. The whole them still being alive thing is a massive [[Plot Hole]] for the game.

*** Yes, but if he did, he could just say how Vader found them on Corellia, as opposed to swooping down onto Alderaan to get a Senator who, if he had any sense, has gone underground. That would only incite mass rebellion.

** As for Obi-Wan, it's possible that isolating himself on Tatooine entailed cutting off contact with everyone, making R2's mission in Episode IV that much more significant.

=== Why all the hate for the Hangar in the last level? ===

* You can just go a few steps to the hole and jump straight in it, if you don´t like this practice of your awesome powerlevel.

** If it's not a timed mission, most players feel obligated to kill every enemy in sight. For some reason it just feels ''wrong'' to leave an entire room full of Stormtroopers alive and un-murdered.

=== Where did Starkiller learned how to use Force Lightning? ===

* It has been established by canon that Darth Vader is physically incapable of using it due to the lack of organic limbs. Moreover, the only one who could use said power at that point was the Emperor, whom Starkiller had never met before.

** Canon has also established (mostly in other video games) that any sufficiently evil Force-user can use Force Lightning. Even if Vader wasn't able to pull it off himself, he could know enough about it, either from Sith holocrons or by doing it himself off-screen before his defeat at the hands of Obi-Wan, to instruct his apprentice. Not to mention that, if a Sith absolutely requires an instructor, it creates an odd chicken-and-egg-style paradox as to how the first Sith figured all this stuff out (since as Palpatine so quotably puts it, he could not have learned it from a Jedi).

*** Thank you, I now picture that Vader once ordered Starkiller to spread his fingers and scream "UNLIMITED POOOOOWWWAAAAAAAAHHHRRR!!!".

*** Now it bugs me how lightning did so little against Vader in the sequel

*** Except he doesn't even bother blocking any attacks during that

=== Why is Starkiller considered a [[God Mode Sue]]? ===

* As far as [[Star Wars]] powerhouses go, [[Dark Forces Saga|Kyle Katarn]] was pretty much invincible once he got [[Game Breaker|Force Protection]], and both [[Knights of the Old Republic|Revan and The Exile]] were beasts in [[Magic Knight|the use of the force AND skill with a lightsaber]]. The Apprentice pales in comparisson to the aforementioned Jedi Knights, and they were not branded [[God Mode Sue|God Mode Sues]]

=== Full of problems ===

* The biggest problem I had as soon as the game was finished was already mentioned, it's the first one on this page. Moving on.

** I don't see the problem here. The Star Wars universe has always been consistent in saying that a person must ''choose'' to embrace the Light Side or the Dark Side. Anakin Skywalker may have been manipulated by Palpatine, but in the end he ''chose'' to embrace the Dark Side. He ''chose'' to commit acts that were fundamentally against his moral fiber in order to gain greater power. Starkiller never had that choice. You said it yourself, he was ''raised from childhood'' by Darth Vader and was never taught anything else (until Kota came along). It could be fairly argued that because he was never given a choice in the matter he never ''truly'' embraced the Dark Side in the first place. Also, and admittedly this is just my own WMG talking, I think this says something about the nature of the Force itself. It's long been suggested that the Force is more than just a passive, quasi-magical "energy field". Jedi in the EU often talk about "serving the Force" or "the will of the Force" as though the Force were an actual living thing with a mind of its own (it's even been called "the living Force" on occasion). If this interpretation of the Force is correct, then it could easily account for why Starkiller doesn't show any of the traditional signs of "Dark Sidedness". He doesn't show them because the Force itself is protecting him. Starkiller's destiny is to serve the Light Side and the Force is pushing him towards that destiny.

* Rahm Kota is a pathetic excuse for a Jedi. When Galen tracks him down to Bespin, aside from being a drunken ball of [[Wangst]], he splutters something to the effect of "Look at my eyes! I'm not a Jedi anymore."

** Jedi aren't perfect and the Star Wars universe has never pretended that they are. Kota suffered a severe physical and emotional trauma and he took it rather badly, as any man who went through a similar experience might. It shows he's a realistic character with realistic emotions. Why exactly are you complaining about this?

*** Following on this one, my theory is that he thinks he failed at being a strong Jedi. He attacked the Tie Fighter factory to draw Vader out, but was surprised when he encountered "a boy" and thought he'd be able to defeat him easily. however, when he get's trumped by Galen, he probably thought to himself that he became a pitiful excuse for a Jedi if he can't even defeat (in his mind) a Sith Apprentice, so he degrades himself over this.

* This:

Galen: I immediately trust you. }}

** She hadn't done anything to warrant a death sentence at that point and what was she going do if he let her go? She was stuck on the planet without a ship and she couldn't snitch on him to the Empire since that might get her killed with her Force-sensitive nature and associations with Jedi. The reason he let her go are a lot more prominent in the novel. It flashes through Starkiller's head about how she's really just a kid and she's as clueless about the world as he is. Letting her go said that there was [[Shadow Archetype|just as much hope for him as there was for her]].

* After these games this troper had difficulties picturing Vader or Palpatine as that powerful figures as Starkiller seemingly outshines both as there's no possible way either of them could pull the stunts he pulls.

** Well if you're willing to accept some more EU (that well predates Starkiller) Palps is definately on top. Google Force Storm or check out the Dark Empire comics. Starkiller killed a Star Destroyer. Palps could swallow fleets (of course that still leaves Vader a little underpowered, but he's also a lot cooler than either).

*** Not really. He beat Palpatine first, but when Palpatine hit the Rebels with lightning he went in to block. He may have won again, but the problem was that Vader and reinforcements were coming, so his only option was to release himself into the Force, thus causing a massive explosion to buy some time.

=== Gorog in the sequel ===

* First of: how the hell did they capture that thing in the first place and how did they plan to restrain it afterwards as you had to {{spoiler|force push its shackles back to place after they were re-powered?}}

*** They captured it by injecting it with ludicrous amounts of anaesthetic. In their plan, they would wait until it killed Kota and Starkiller, then hit it with a blaster shot from a large ship.

=== The lightside and darkside endings of the sequel. ===

*** It's hard to think of Palpatine as "helpless" in any situation.

** The way I saw it, Kota realized that dark-side Galen could be far more powerful than Vader or Palpatine. There would be no point in killing Palpatine if it would cause Galen to fall to the dark side.

 

=== The Sequel ===

 

=== Missing Boss Battles ===

** Because if they don't put them in the game, they can make you pay extra for them as DLC.

 

*** Er...he breathes the air in the bubble. Besides, Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon hold their breath with the Force for a hugely long time in Ep I. Furthermore, this is Star Wars. Oxygen manufacture from waste material isn't too far beyond them. Finally, Jedi are MUCH tougher than usual people. Rahm Kota FELL FROM ORBIT. He was fine, and he had just been slashed across the face with a lightsaber!

*** He couldn't possibly hold enough air in his Force bubble to survive more than a few minutes (if that). Jedi may be tougher than usual people, but they still need to breath.

*** Most of the air in the room would have been blown out into space in the time it takes for the pressure doors to come down. The remaining air would be too thin to breath and would be such low pressure that Starkiller would be stricken with a fatal case of decompression sickness. Again, this is pure [[Rule of Cool]] and [[Rule of Funny]]. In real life Starkiller would have been killed, but it doesn't matter because it's cool and it's funny.

** Bear in mind that niether Vader nor Sidious actually wanted Starkiller dead. It's entirely plausible to assume that they could have protected him from the vacuum forces him in some way. Also remember that Vader had to "rebuild" Starkiller's body, which could account for both being smashed through the glass and the subsequent asphyxiation.

** Well, Obi-Wan must've felt that the Force would know when it'd be the right time to deliver Luke to him.

 

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