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* Dr. Breen's speech in the early levels of ''[[Half-Life]] 2'' raises an interesting point about the nature of immortality and the responsibilities it brings. This may actually have been the writers' intention, as it's common for villains to [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|use reasonable arguments to justify unreasonable actions]], even in [[Real Life]]. All is moot on the ground that he's working for an interdimensional empire that has killed and enslaved countless billions and drain Earth (and many other worlds) of much of its natural resources, oh yeah and suppressed breeding. On the other hand, it's hinted that if Breen hadn't arranged for Earth's surrender, the Combine would have completely wiped out humanity. Whether Breen is a sycophantic power-hungry [[The Quisling|quisling]] or a deluded guy who honestly believes his propaganda about the "Universal Union" that the Combine bring is [[Alternative Character Interpretation|a subject of much debate]].
* No matter what character interpretation you may subscribe to in ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics Advance]]'' (whether or not you see Marche as a [[Villain Protagonist]]), it's hard to argue with some of the justifications that both sides use. If you believe that Marche is in the right, the royal forces (who are attempting to stop Marche from {{spoiler|destroying the [[Cosmic Keystone|crystals and]]}} returning to St. Ivalice) are very correct when they claim that he is destroying the one place where his friends and brother are happy. On the other hand, even if you see Marche as a dangerous Jerkass, he is still right when he claims that Mewt and Ritz (among others) are using Ivalice to avoid facing their real-world problems (and because the Ivalice world actually ''replaces'' St. Ivalice instead of existing separately, they are forcing other people to cease to exist in the process). Basically, no matter who the player personally supports, the "villains" are correct when they call the "heroes" out on their selfish attempts to impose their own form of reality on the world. Needless to say, intepretations on who was "right" are fodder for much debating.
* The Jackal from ''[[Far Cry]] 2'', on his interview tapes, sounds a lot more logical than the game seems to want you to think of him as, given the tape descriptions. While many of them are blatantly MORALLY wrong, his logic to justify what he does makes a scary amount of sense. This is especially invoked in the tape asking him why Africa, when he gives the interviewer a small [[Hannibal Lecture]], asking him if there's someone else's home he doesn't care about that he should sell weapons in.
* ''[[Mass Effect]]'':
** Cerberus is a [[Fantastic Racism|human-centric]] organization which employs [[Utopia Justifies the Means|"whatever it takes" methods]] for their vision of a [[Humanity Is Superior|human-dominant galaxy]]. Throughout the entire series, players encounter many Cerberus installations which conduct brutal, horrific experiments that have [[Gone Horribly Wrong]] (or [[Gone Horribly Right]]). However, some of these experiments, such as the "Lazarus Project", leads to the [[Back From the Dead|revival]] of series protagonist, Commander Shepard. Also, other cases of these experiments, such as Project Overlord, the Reaper IFF survey group, and many others, are all done with the intention of stopping a fleet of [[Cosmic Horror]]s from invading the galaxy and causing an [[Apocalypse How|X-3 Class extinction]]. While there are ''plenty'' of instances where Cerberus crosses the line (they ''are'' [[Straw Evil]] in many ways), no one can deny that many of their insane actions cross into [[Crazy Prepared]] and [[Properly Paranoid]] territory and that the galaxy would have been doomed if they hadn't been around.
*** Cerberus gives as one of its reasons for existing their belief that all of the politically dominant alien races in the galaxy will not hesitate to screw over humanity politically and economically for their own advantage, that the entire 'game' is rigged, and that the only way to even hope to compete on even terms is to cheat. And also that every other major alien race is already cheating. In Mass Effect 3 you find out that ''they were right about all of this''<ref>Except about the turians, who actually were playing harsh-but-fair and not holding back Prothean knowledge, running the STG, or anything similar.</ref>, and indeed, only their indoctrination by the Reapers actually keeps Cerberus being an antagonist faction during that game.
** Even a Paragon Shepard doesn't disagree with Cerberus's specific goal of stopping the Reapers, s/he simply disagrees with the ''brutal'' utilitarianism with which they try to achieve it. Paragon Shepard doesn't even try to deny that the  {{spoiler|Collector Base will help in the fight against the Reapers,}} but that to use it would be unethical:
{{quote|'''Shepard''': [[Crowning Moment of Awesome|We'll fight and win without it.]] [[Shut UP, Hannibal|I won't let fear compromise who I am.]]}}
** Strangely, nobody seems to even consider the possibility that using this technology could be, not just an unethical, but an outright ''bad'' idea. The Reapers had already proven beyond any doubt that they can manipulate the minds of those in contact with them  {{spoiler|even the Reaper "corpse" that had been dead for 37 million years turned the well-trained and cautious Cerberus research team into lunatics and then husks.}} And also, using  {{spoiler|the one piece of Collector technology they got from the ship nearly got everyone killed despite their best precautions.}} Based on this, you'd think there were some very solid, totally ''un''idealistic arguments against the Illusive Man, but nobody seems to think of them.
*** And, Mass Effect 3 reveals that their work in attempting to reverse-engineer Reaper components did indeed only lead to Cerberus becoming indoctrinated and serving as a pawn of the Reapers. Paragon Shepard was right.
** Even though the [[Mad Scientist]] responsible for the disaster in the "Overlord" DLC tries to make a point, his treatment of  {{spoiler|his autistic brother is so monstrous that the ''Paragon'' option is to smash him in the face, and very few players will have anything but hatred for the bastard.}} However, his statement that if his work spares "a million mothers from mourning a million sons" he'll be content is never actually addressed. While this is by no means a solid argument, his point is rejected out of hand rather than argued against, leaving open the possibility that he might be proven right.  {{spoiler|The game actually spares us from this moral conundrum by having Legion show us that the Geth are not actually hostile, and that if you want to understand them, you only need to ask. Consequently, the experiments and torture were all for nothing, but there is no way Dr Archer could have known that.}}
* ''[[Normality (video game)|Normality]]'' is a lighthearted example, taking place in a [[Crapsack World]] where having fun is outlawed. (A parody of a dictatorship, sure, but a rather transparent way to run one.) Thing is, if Kent Knutson, the protagonist who is arrested for having fun is this society's idea of a fun guy, maybe they have something here. [[Idiot Hero| He's an ''idiot''.]]
* ''[[Bully (video game)|Bully]]'' features a feud between the Math and English teachers. Mr. Hattrick, the Math teacher, is a tyrannical monster who uses his wealth and connections to bully both the students and the other teachers with impunity, whereas Mr. Galloway, the English teacher, is kind and mild mannered, and has been bullied by Hattrick for so long that he's turned to alcoholism. The problem here is that Galloway actually shows up to class hung over and even drinks during school hours. Hattrick catches him at it and tries to get him fired. The game itself presents it as [[Black and White Morality|Hattrick Wrong Galloway Right]] because it fits in with its themes (In particular, that people in positions of authority are oblivious to what is and isn't actually [[Harmful to Minors]]; the students are aware that Galloway drinks, but it doesn't offend them or encourage them to drink themselves, while Hattrick is a classist bully who maintains a clear-cut appearance to keep anyone from suspecting him). But, regardless of the reason he's drinking, firing a teacher who shows up to teach drunk makes more sense than just brushing it off as "a chap can have a drink when he bloody well wants". In [[Real Life]], any teacher who did that would be in serious trouble.
* As time goes on in the ''[[Mega Man X]]'' series, the games start leaning heavily on the idea that it's far more the mistrust of the humans and the trigger-happiness of the Maverick Hunters that are causing everything to go wrong than it is because of the Mavericks themselves. But considering that Mavericks, both infected and free-willed, have started multiple genocidal wars because they have a gross misunderstanding on [[The Social Darwinist|how evolution works]] or are [[Axe Crazy|flat-out insane]], or [[Be as Unhelpful as Possible|find the act of provoking a shooting war to be preferable to clearing their own names]] for the sake of [[Honor Before Reason|honor]], is it really any wonder that the population at large doesn't trust them?
* Channel4's game ''[http://www.thecurfewgame.com/ The Curfew] is meant to be a look at the oppressive checks and Orwellian surveillance instituted in a hypothetical UK in the year 2525 by the Shephard party, where most are legally bound to be in by 9PM, and immigrants have to earn "citizen points" before becoming citizens, or moving from citizen Class B to the privileged Class A. The player's job is to listen to and play through the stories of the four people they're stuck in a hostel with so they can figure out which to give information that might topple the ruling regime. While the question of what human and civil rights are and should be is an interesting one, the event that propelled the party into power was a major, catastrophic nuclear attack on Great Britain, which had been preceded by a major economic depression. The titular Curfew is aimed at preventing another such attack.
* ''[[Valkyria Chronicles]]'':
** Faldio is a strawman for advocating the use of the game's parallel of WMDs, which the game is staunchly against. The problem is that he was right. {{spoiler|Forcing Alicia's Valkyria powers to awaken}} is the only reason Gallia is still standing by the end of the game, because on at least two occasions, when the situation was the most dire, they saved the day. Faldio is treated as a power-hungry monster and no better than their enemies, but that doesn't change the fact Gallia only won the war because of precise application of the weaponry the game's Aesops condemns.
** In Faldio's case, an additional problem was with the fact that {{spoiler|he was treating Alicia as a weapon to be used against Gallia's enemies, not as a person who has feelings and free will -- which is, incidentally, the same way Maximillian was treating Selvaria}}. This [[Alternative Character Interpretation|varies somewhat between the English and Japanese versions]]; the English script implies that Faldio didn't ask nicely because he just couldn't risk the answer being no, resulting in an [[I Did What I Had to Do]] scenario. The Japanese paints him as much more sinister.
** The anime version throws in UST between Faldio and Alicia despite being based on the Japanese script, slanting his motivations in the English script's direction to a degree.
* In the dev's effort to [[Digital Piracy Is Evil|discourage piracy]], ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2]]'''s villains sometimes take a more sympathetic stance than the heroes. "Hey kid, want a mod chip? You'll be able to do things like cheat!" "Don't listen to her! Isn't it more fun to play the game as the devs intended it to be played? Good kids obey authority!"
** It comes to a head, or at least a more balanced light, during the rematch with CFW Brave. He and Uni have a pre-fight debate in regards to the importance of making children happy vs. the integrity of happiness through underhanded means. Both sides raise understandable points and despite Brave inevitably losing the resulting boss battle, both of them end up respecting each other and their goals.
* Used deliberately in ''[[Pokémon Black and White]]'', since the plot is a [[Decon Recon Switch]] of the "cute monster pitfighting" premise. The enemy Team is a [[Animal Wrongs Group|Pokemon rights group]] trying to have said pitfighting activity banned as abuse. By, you know, [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|mugging Trainers]]. Some members are portrayed as ''extremely'' sympathetic, along with their  {{spoiler|figurehead}} leader, who is recognized as a hero by the [[Powers That Be]] for his efforts in Pokemon liberation. The others [[Kick the Dog|kick wild Munna]].
** Team Plasma's perspective on things is even more understandable if you play by a [[Self-Imposed Challenge]] whose rules dictate your Pokemon are ''[[Killed Off for Real]]'' if they get KO'd, such as the Nuzlocke Challenge.
* The KKK in ''[[The Sinking City]]'' are portrayed as you'd expect [[Exactly What it Says on the Tin|the KKK]] in 2019 released period piece. The writing seemed to have forgotten [[HP Lovecraft]]'s fish hybrids ''really are'' non-human abominations that seek to destroy humanity and expects the player to hate the KKK because they're the KKK rather than their opposition being a grim case of [[Right for the Wrong Reasons]].

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