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{{quote|"Planning suicide? Then get to it."|Kimura's boss to Suzuki, [[Tekkon Kinkreet (Anime)|Tekkon Kinkreet]]}}
{{quote|"Planning suicide? Then get to it."|Kimura's boss to Suzuki, [[Tekkon Kinkreet]]}}


This is one of the worst insults you can dole out. It's ''dangerous'', especially if the target is already depressed or mentally ill. It's also so offensive that saying it to someone as a joke is rare, even among people that usually take [[Refuge in Vulgarity]].
This is one of the worst insults you can dole out. It's ''dangerous'', especially if the target is already depressed or mentally ill. It's also so offensive that saying it to someone as a joke is rare, even among people that usually take [[Refuge in Vulgarity]].
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...And it says much more about the person saying it than the recipient. It's often a used as a bloodless [[Moral Event Horizon]], at the least launching a character straight into [[Jerkass]] territory and making the audience seriously question his/her sense of empathy. Good guys almost never do it, unless they're a [[Heroic Sociopath]] in a [[Sadist Show]]. A [["Just Joking" Justification]] may be used if the offender's called out on it, [[Dude, Not Funny|but it usually falls flat, both with the other characters and the audience.]]
...And it says much more about the person saying it than the recipient. It's often a used as a bloodless [[Moral Event Horizon]], at the least launching a character straight into [[Jerkass]] territory and making the audience seriously question his/her sense of empathy. Good guys almost never do it, unless they're a [[Heroic Sociopath]] in a [[Sadist Show]]. A [["Just Joking" Justification]] may be used if the offender's called out on it, [[Dude, Not Funny|but it usually falls flat, both with the other characters and the audience.]]


If a character does this ''seriously'', with the intent of actually driving someone to it, we're probably dealing with a [[Complete Monster]] - the only time they can pull this off and retain a shred of sympathy is if [[Kick the Son of A Bitch|the target is a terrible person themselves.]]
If a character does this ''seriously'', with the intent of actually driving someone to it, we're probably dealing with a [[Complete Monster]] - the only time they can pull this off and retain a shred of sympathy is if [[Kick the Son of a Bitch|the target is a terrible person themselves.]]


[[Leave Behind a Pistol]] is similar, but done with different intent. Compare [[Go Ye Heroes Go and Die]], which does this by accident (normally).
[[Leave Behind a Pistol]] is similar, but done with different intent. Compare [[Go Ye Heroes Go and Die]], which does this by accident (normally).
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[[Truth in Television]], and often goes hand-in-hand with [[Kids Are Cruel]] and [[Teens Are Monsters]].
[[Truth in Television]], and often goes hand-in-hand with [[Kids Are Cruel]] and [[Teens Are Monsters]].


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== [[Anime and Manga]] ==
== [[Anime and Manga]] ==


* In [[Monster (Anime)|Monster]], Johan does this to several characters, most notably when he teaches kids to balance themselves on guardrails as a "game."
* In [[Monster (manga)|Monster]], Johan does this to several characters, most notably when he teaches kids to balance themselves on guardrails as a "game."
* The ''[[Tekkon Kinkreet (Anime)|Tekkon Kinkreet]]'' quote at the top of the page. A rare example of a character not meaning this seriously.
* The ''[[Tekkon Kinkreet]]'' quote at the top of the page. A rare example of a character not meaning this seriously.
* In the second episode of ''[[Durarara (Light Novel)|Durarara]]'' Izaya Orihara talks a girl into committing suicide using what can only be described as reverse reverse psychology.
* In the second episode of ''[[Durarara]]'' Izaya Orihara talks a girl into committing suicide using what can only be described as reverse reverse psychology.


== [[Film]] ==
== [[Film]] ==


* In ''[[Canadian Bacon]]'', the US city of Niagara pays its cops extra for cleaning up suicides. This led to unfortunate consequences...
* In ''[[Canadian Bacon]]'', the US city of Niagara pays its cops extra for cleaning up suicides. This led to unfortunate consequences...
* Happens in ''[[Lethal Weapon (Film)|Lethal Weapon]]'' multiple times. Murtaugh and Riggs are responding to a suicidal man standing on the ledge of a building. Riggs goes up to the roof in an attempt to talk the man down. After talking a bit, Riggs manages to get very close to the man and slaps a handcuff on him, [[Chained Heat|handcuffing them together]]. The man starts freaking out, but Riggs actually starts ''encouraging'' the man to jump; he insults the man, saying that he's a coward for backing down now, just because his death will kill Riggs as well. Eventually Riggs jumps and [[Taking You With Me|pulls them both down]]...onto a crash-pad the police had already set up.
* Happens in ''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' multiple times. Murtaugh and Riggs are responding to a suicidal man standing on the ledge of a building. Riggs goes up to the roof in an attempt to talk the man down. After talking a bit, Riggs manages to get very close to the man and slaps a handcuff on him, [[Chained Heat|handcuffing them together]]. The man starts freaking out, but Riggs actually starts ''encouraging'' the man to jump; he insults the man, saying that he's a coward for backing down now, just because his death will kill Riggs as well. Eventually Riggs jumps and [[Taking You with Me|pulls them both down]]...onto a crash-pad the police had already set up.
** Immediately afterwards, Murtaugh, furious with Riggs, drags Riggs into a nearby building and they being arguing. Murtaugh thinks Riggs is suicidal and is a danger to himself and others. Murtaugh tells Riggs [[Get It Over With|to just kill himself already]]. Riggs actually pulls out his gun and points it at his head, screaming at Murtaugh that he'll do it. Murtaugh one-ups this and yells ''back'', telling him to ''go ahead and do it'', since it'd be doing him a favor.
** Immediately afterwards, Murtaugh, furious with Riggs, drags Riggs into a nearby building and they being arguing. Murtaugh thinks Riggs is suicidal and is a danger to himself and others. Murtaugh tells Riggs [[Get It Over With|to just kill himself already]]. Riggs actually pulls out his gun and points it at his head, screaming at Murtaugh that he'll do it. Murtaugh one-ups this and yells ''back'', telling him to ''go ahead and do it'', since it'd be doing him a favor.


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* D-list villain Whirlwind verbally demoralized Hank Pym to the point that Hank put a gun to his head in a once-controversial '' [[The Avengers (Comic Book)|West Coast Avengers]]'' storyline. Only another superhero interrupting Hank prevented it from being a successful attempt.
* D-list villain Whirlwind verbally demoralized Hank Pym to the point that Hank put a gun to his head in a once-controversial '' [[The Avengers (Comic Book)|West Coast Avengers]]'' storyline. Only another superhero interrupting Hank prevented it from being a successful attempt.
* This is how the ''[[Great Lakes Avengers]]'' defeated {{spoiler|Maelstrom}} in their miniseries: Mr. immortal convinces the villain that life isn't worth living, and even "goes first" to cap his argument, prompting said villain to blast their own head off.
* This is how the ''[[Great Lakes Avengers]]'' defeated {{spoiler|Maelstrom}} in their miniseries: Mr. immortal convinces the villain that life isn't worth living, and even "goes first" to cap his argument, prompting said villain to blast their own head off.
* ''[[Captain America]]'' once defeated [[All Your Powers Combined|the Super-Adaptoid]] -- who was at that time nigh-omnipotent thanks to a Cosmic [[McGuffin]] -- by [[Talking the Monster To Death|convincing it]] that the thing that kept it from equalling his [[Heart Is an Awesome Power|"human spirit"]] was that it could not die. The Adaptoid proceeded to prove Cap wrong by ''dying on the spot'', thereby ending its threat.
* ''[[Captain America]]'' once defeated [[All Your Powers Combined|the Super-Adaptoid]] -- who was at that time nigh-omnipotent thanks to a Cosmic [[McGuffin]] -- by [[Talking the Monster to Death|convincing it]] that the thing that kept it from equalling his [[Heart Is an Awesome Power|"human spirit"]] was that it could not die. The Adaptoid proceeded to prove Cap wrong by ''dying on the spot'', thereby ending its threat.
* In [[Alan Moore]]'s ''Captain Britain'' series, the sentient computer Mastermind once used holographic illusions of the Captain's dead parents who almost successfully urged him to kill himself out of guilt at their deaths.
* In [[Alan Moore]]'s ''Captain Britain'' series, the sentient computer Mastermind once used holographic illusions of the Captain's dead parents who almost successfully urged him to kill himself out of guilt at their deaths.
* [[Played for Laughs]] in ''[[Dilbert (Comic Strip)|Dilbert]]'' in a strip where the boss is showing a new employee around, and asks Dilbert to show her the ropes. [[Fate Worse Than Death|Dilbert shows her a noose]]. The last panel after completing Dilbert's tour of working at [[Incompetence, Inc.]] has her readying to hang herself.
* [[Played for Laughs]] in ''[[Dilbert]]'' in a strip where the boss is showing a new employee around, and asks Dilbert to show her the ropes. [[Fate Worse Than Death|Dilbert shows her a noose]]. The last panel after completing Dilbert's tour of working at [[Incompetence, Inc.]] has her readying to hang herself.
* [[Ms. Marvel]]: It is revealed that the selfish, amoral psychologist and psychiatrist Dr. Karla Sofen (AKA Moonstone) convinced depressed patients to kill themselves while she watched. Despite this, there have been a number of attempts to redeem her. If the characters knew the character the way the reader does, they would stop trying to redeem her, and either kill her or give her a [[Fate Worse Than Death]].
* [[Ms. Marvel]]: It is revealed that the selfish, amoral psychologist and psychiatrist Dr. Karla Sofen (AKA Moonstone) convinced depressed patients to kill themselves while she watched. Despite this, there have been a number of attempts to redeem her. If the characters knew the character the way the reader does, they would stop trying to redeem her, and either kill her or give her a [[Fate Worse Than Death]].
* ''[[Pearls Before Swine]]'': In one set of episodes, Rat takes a job as a late night radio show host, which means that he gets to listen to people call in to say that they abducted by aliens and things like. One such person calls from his truck to say that aliens took his brain. Rat responds by saying that the aliens took his brain because he's a smart fellow, that they'll want the rest of his organs for military use and he must not let that happen. The caller panics and asks what should he do. Rat tells him to drive off a cliff. The caller does it, and lets out an "AAAaaahhh" as he falls. One staff member points out the F.C.C. frowns on killing listeners and Rat says "Rules rules rules." This one is [[Played for Laughs]], but since it's [[Black Comedy]], [[Your Mileage May Vary]] on whether or not you find it funny.
* ''[[Pearls Before Swine]]'': In one set of episodes, Rat takes a job as a late night radio show host, which means that he gets to listen to people call in to say that they abducted by aliens and things like. One such person calls from his truck to say that aliens took his brain. Rat responds by saying that the aliens took his brain because he's a smart fellow, that they'll want the rest of his organs for military use and he must not let that happen. The caller panics and asks what should he do. Rat tells him to drive off a cliff. The caller does it, and lets out an "AAAaaahhh" as he falls. One staff member points out the F.C.C. frowns on killing listeners and Rat says "Rules rules rules." This one is [[Played for Laughs]], but since it's [[Black Comedy]], [[Your Mileage May Vary]] on whether or not you find it funny.
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== [[Video Games]] ==
== [[Video Games]] ==


* In ''[[Grand Theft Auto San Andreas (Video Game)|Grand Theft Auto San Andreas]]'', Madd Dogg is on top of a building thinking about jumping after losing all his money and his rhyme book. A couple of bystanders encourage him to jump.
* In ''[[Grand Theft Auto San Andreas]]'', Madd Dogg is on top of a building thinking about jumping after losing all his money and his rhyme book. A couple of bystanders encourage him to jump.


== [[Live Action TV]] ==
== [[Live Action TV]] ==


* In the ''[[Doctor Who (TV)|Doctor Who]]'' episode "Dalek", the Ninth Doctor delivers this line almost verbatim to the titular creature, and gets a great big [[Shut UP, Hannibal]] for his efforts. An unusual case of the [[Anti-Hero|(anti-)]]hero delivering this line to the villain.
* In the ''[[Doctor Who]]'' episode "Dalek", the Ninth Doctor delivers this line almost verbatim to the titular creature, and gets a great big [[Shut UP, Hannibal]] for his efforts. An unusual case of the [[Anti-Hero|(anti-)]]hero delivering this line to the villain.
** The Doctor was also pretty insistant Lady Cassandra die, not just due to being a sociopathic mass murderer that takes over people's bodies, but he believes she has so greatly outlived her deserved lifespan.
** The Doctor was also pretty insistant Lady Cassandra die, not just due to being a sociopathic mass murderer that takes over people's bodies, but he believes she has so greatly outlived her deserved lifespan.
* On ''The Story Of Tracy Beaker'' (a live action children's show based on the series of books by [[Jacqueline Wilson]]) a character brushed off the main character by telling her to "go and play in the traffic".
* On ''The Story Of Tracy Beaker'' (a live action children's show based on the series of books by [[Jacqueline Wilson]]) a character brushed off the main character by telling her to "go and play in the traffic".
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Man: I hate Leeds United. I'm a Liverpool fan.<br />
Man: I hate Leeds United. I'm a Liverpool fan.<br />
Benny: Well, flaming well jump then! }}
Benny: Well, flaming well jump then! }}
* ''[[M*A*S*H (TV)|Mash]]'': Col. Potter deals with a suicidal patient by giving him the [[Radish Cure]]: Potter puts the mask from the knockout gas on the boy and forces him to continue to breathe in the fumes even when the boy tries to struggle free. Potter then points out the dichotomy, which makes the patient no longer suicidal.
* ''[[M*A*S*H|Mash]]'': Col. Potter deals with a suicidal patient by giving him the [[Radish Cure]]: Potter puts the mask from the knockout gas on the boy and forces him to continue to breathe in the fumes even when the boy tries to struggle free. Potter then points out the dichotomy, which makes the patient no longer suicidal.


== [[Literature]] ==
== [[Literature]] ==


* In ''[[Discworld (Literature)|Discworld]]'', Ankh-Morpork citizens spying a potential building jumper will start shouting advice on the best buildings to jump from. [[Played for Laughs]], (like virtually everything else) in Ankh-Morpork.
* In ''[[Discworld]]'', Ankh-Morpork citizens spying a potential building jumper will start shouting advice on the best buildings to jump from. [[Played for Laughs]], (like virtually everything else) in Ankh-Morpork.
* Denethor in ''[[The Lord of the Rings (Literature)|The Lord of the Rings]]'', (book and film) after passing the [[Despair Event Horizon]]: "Peregrin, son of Paladin, I release you from my service. Go, now, and die in what way seems best to you."
* Denethor in ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', (book and film) after passing the [[Despair Event Horizon]]: "Peregrin, son of Paladin, I release you from my service. Go, now, and die in what way seems best to you."
* [[Charles Dickens (Creator)|Charles Dickens]] uses this to firmly establish Scrooge as a [[Jerkass]] at the beginning of ''[[A Christmas Carol]]''. When told that many of the poor would rather die than go to the hellish workhouses, Scrooge replies, "If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
* [[Charles Dickens]] uses this to firmly establish Scrooge as a [[Jerkass]] at the beginning of ''[[A Christmas Carol]]''. When told that many of the poor would rather die than go to the hellish workhouses, Scrooge replies, "If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
* [[Backstory]] of ''[[Dune]]''. While Liet Kynes is teaching the Fremen about his dream of making Arrakis a garden, a decision is made to kill him because he's a security risk to the sietch. A Fremen fighter is sent to execute him. When he approaches, Liet tells him "Remove yourself", and the man deliberately falls on his own crysknife. The other Fremen see this as an omen and decide to do anything Liet says.
* [[Backstory]] of ''[[Dune]]''. While Liet Kynes is teaching the Fremen about his dream of making Arrakis a garden, a decision is made to kill him because he's a security risk to the sietch. A Fremen fighter is sent to execute him. When he approaches, Liet tells him "Remove yourself", and the man deliberately falls on his own crysknife. The other Fremen see this as an omen and decide to do anything Liet says.
* When Richard is doing the trail in Neverwhere, various bill boards suggest throwing himself in front of the train would be a good idea.
* When Richard is doing the trail in Neverwhere, various bill boards suggest throwing himself in front of the train would be a good idea.
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== [[Western Animation]] ==
== [[Western Animation]] ==


* ''[[The Simpsons (Animation)|The Simpsons]]'': When Homer deliberates a little too long in a line to jump off a skyscraper, the guy behind him says "Less chat, more splat, pal" and pushes him off. Subverted both in that Homer wasn't hurt by the fall, and because the guy was planning to do the same thing himself immediately afterwards, so he wasn't being a hypocrite.
* ''[[The Simpsons (animation)|The Simpsons]]'': When Homer deliberates a little too long in a line to jump off a skyscraper, the guy behind him says "Less chat, more splat, pal" and pushes him off. Subverted both in that Homer wasn't hurt by the fall, and because the guy was planning to do the same thing himself immediately afterwards, so he wasn't being a hypocrite.
* Another example: that episode where Homer can't remember what he did last day and he wrongly assumes that he hit Marge. He goes to a bridge to kill himself and Patty and Selma encourage him to do it.
* Another example: that episode where Homer can't remember what he did last day and he wrongly assumes that he hit Marge. He goes to a bridge to kill himself and Patty and Selma encourage him to do it.
* Lois shrewdly hints to Meg doing this in an episode of ''[[Family Guy (Animation)|Family Guy]]''.
* Lois shrewdly hints to Meg doing this in an episode of ''[[Family Guy]]''.
* Roger briefly implied Steve had to kill himself in ''[[American Dad (Animation)|American Dad]]'' after unknowingly pleasuring himself with a nude painting of Hayley.
* Roger briefly implied Steve had to kill himself in ''[[American Dad]]'' after unknowingly pleasuring himself with a nude painting of Hayley.
* One episode of ''[[South Park (Animation)|South Park]]'' has Cartman tell the hall monitor to kill himself.
* One episode of ''[[South Park]]'' has Cartman tell the hall monitor to kill himself.
** Another episode has Stan calling a shopping network when his grandfather was spending all his savings buying from them, and, in a nod to the Bill Hicks example below, telling the presenters to kill themselves for taking advantage of old people. {{spoiler|In the end, it works.}}
** Another episode has Stan calling a shopping network when his grandfather was spending all his savings buying from them, and, in a nod to the Bill Hicks example below, telling the presenters to kill themselves for taking advantage of old people. {{spoiler|In the end, it works.}}


== [[New Media]] ==
== [[New Media]] ==


* ''[[Five Second Films]]'' has the inventor of time travel [[Did Not Eat the Mousse|and his friend/roommate]] commit suicide after many time travelers arrive in his/their home and convince him to.
* ''[[5 Second Films]]'' has the inventor of time travel [[Did Not Eat the Mousse|and his friend/roommate]] commit suicide after many time travelers arrive in his/their home and convince him to.
** Also from [[Five Second Films]], [http://5secondfilms.com/watch/ask_a_lobster Ask a Lobster]:
** Also from [[5 Second Films]], [http://5secondfilms.com/watch/ask_a_lobster Ask a Lobster]:
{{quote| "Hey lobster. How do I make money off the internet?"<br />
{{quote| "Hey lobster. How do I make money off the internet?"<br />
"Oh, oh. Kill yourself." }}
"Oh, oh. Kill yourself." }}
* In ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh the Abridged Series]]'', Kaiba stands on the edge of a building, threatening that if Yugi attacks him he'll be thrown off by the shockwaves, meaning that Yugi has to throw the duel, as he did in canon. Unlike in canon, [[Heroic Sociopath|Yami]] tells him to go ahead. Later, Yugi sees him again, after having lost the duel:
* In ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh!: The Abridged Series]]'', Kaiba stands on the edge of a building, threatening that if Yugi attacks him he'll be thrown off by the shockwaves, meaning that Yugi has to throw the duel, as he did in canon. Unlike in canon, [[Heroic Sociopath|Yami]] tells him to go ahead. Later, Yugi sees him again, after having lost the duel:
{{quote| '''Yugi''': Hey, why don't you threaten to kill yourself again? Only this time, actually do it!}}
{{quote| '''Yugi''': Hey, why don't you threaten to kill yourself again? Only this time, actually do it!}}
* [http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp08312004.shtml this Somthing Positive comic]
* [http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp08312004.shtml this Somthing Positive comic]
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== [[Theatre]] ==
== [[Theatre]] ==


* [[Invoked Trope|Invoked]] and [[Averted Trope|Averted]] in ''[[Richard III (Theatre)|Richard III]]''
* [[Invoked Trope|Invoked]] and [[Averted Trope|Averted]] in ''[[Richard III]]''
{{quote| '''Lady Anne:''' Arise, dissembler; thought I wish thy death, I will not be the executioner<br />
{{quote| '''Lady Anne:''' Arise, dissembler; thought I wish thy death, I will not be the executioner<br />
'''Gloucester:''' Then bid me kill myself, and I will do it.<br />
'''Gloucester:''' Then bid me kill myself, and I will do it.<br />