Survivor (TV series)/YMMV: Difference between revisions

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*** Huge flame wars on fan sites have erupted over whether or not Lex was a hypocrite for not voting for Rob to win ''All Stars'' (since according to those who argue against Lex, his game play was [[Not So Different]] from Rob's), and severing his friendship with Rob over a game.

** Phillip Sheppard in ''Redemption Island'' - most fans can't agree on what degree Philip's [[Cloudcuckoolander]] personality was genuine and hilarious, genuine and annoying, a masterful play of the metagame, a terrible play of the metagame, or any combination thereof.

** There's a relatively large group of die hard fans who only love the original seven seasons of the show and lambaste everything that came afterward. While most of these people are respectful towards those who like the more recent seasons, there's a lot of name calling that goes on between them and [[Troll~~|Trolls~~]] who like the newer seasons and accuse this group of wearing [[Nostalgia Filter|nostalgia filters]].

** There's a relatively large group of die hard fans who only love the original seven seasons of the show and lambaste everything that came afterward. While most of these people are respectful towards those who like the more recent seasons, there's a lot of name calling that goes on between them and [[Troll]]s who like the newer seasons and accuse this group of wearing [[Nostalgia Filter|nostalgia filters]].

** Cochran flipping on the Savaii tribe in ''South Pacific'' is either the newest contender for the dumbest move in ''Survivor'' history, or a move that was perfectly legitimate given the circumstances.

* [[~~Big~~ ~~Lipped~~ ~~Alligator Moment~~]]: There was a scene in ''One World'' where a pig shows up from out of nowhere in the tribe's camp. Everyone starts to try and chase it while comical music plays, and... then cut to the immunity challenge. The pig isn't brought up after the challenge, and the only reason we know they didn't catch it is that there are a few shots of the same pig after the challenge. Fan theory is that the editors threw in that scene as [[Foreshadowing]] of {{spoiler|Micheal Skupin likely coming back for season 25}}.

* [[Non Sequitur Scene]]: There was a scene in ''One World'' where a pig shows up from out of nowhere in the tribe's camp. Everyone starts to try and chase it while comical music plays, and... then cut to the immunity challenge. The pig isn't brought up after the challenge, and the only reason we know they didn't catch it is that there are a few shots of the same pig after the challenge. Fan theory is that the editors threw in that scene as [[Foreshadowing]] of {{spoiler|Micheal Skupin likely coming back for season 25}}.

* [[Boring Invincible Hero]]: Or Villain, it doesn't matter. When one alliance [[Curb Stomp Battle|Pagongs]] another, all the suspense drains out of Tribal Council unless the larger alliance falls to infighting. If someone controls the game - such as Rob in ''Redemption Island'' or Kim in ''One World'' - then they become boring to watch, and if someone keeps losing control of the game, then it becomes more interesting...even though they're probably grinding their teeth.

* [[Boring but Practical]]: Pagonging. Essentially, if you control a majority and remove all the other alliances and the floaters, you can waltz to a game milestone almost completely unopposed. Editors wouldn't like this strategy as [[Boring Invincible Hero|it can make a season quite boring]]. Thankfully, it's only happened in its entirety in ''Borneo'', ''Thailand'', ''Cook Islands'', ''Redemption Island'', and ''South Pacific''. And YMMV on ''Cook Islands'' since the tribe doing the pagonging was actually an underdog.

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** Tom in ''All-Stars'' just barely touched the idiot ball when he called himself the swing vote between the Rob-Amber alliance and the Rupert-Jenna alliance. Normally not a bad thing to say to the [[Confession Cam]], but instead, he [[Too Dumb to Live|did it right to Rob's face. At the final five.]] That was all an already wary Rob needed to turn the vote against Tom and send him packing.

* [[Iron Woobie]]: Stephenie LaGrossa is seen as this first in ''Palau'' when she was alone on the Ulong tribe, and then ''again'' after ''Heroes vs. Villains'' - some unconfirmed rumours state that she was eliminated because she was still hurting from having her ''shoulder dislocated'' in the ''first challenge in the game''. (Would explain why she was voted out over that Candice girl nobody really knew.)

* [[Its the Same So It Sucks]]: Some of the criticisms of the show for returning to previous filming locations (Panama, Samoa). Even some of the ''producers'' have thought this, but in between the weather<ref>Samoa got hit by a tsunami barely a week after ''Heroes vs Villains'' finished filming</ref> and political unrest<ref>The Fijian Coup de'tat even happened ''as the season was being wrapped up''. Plus, Jordan was considered as a location for the show once but canned due to 9/11.</ref>, finding a new location for the show is easier said than done, especially since they have to have worthy housing for ''three hundred'' people. They even stated that some locations are out due to problems with the area, such as ''Africa'' wherein everyone was sick and too hot to do anything, ''Guatemala'' where the temperature would regularly be over one hundred degrees F, or ''Marquesas'' where the insects inflicted quite a bit of discomfort amongst the contestants and staff. Therefore, reusing locations is a bit of a necessary evil, and even plenty of the staff would love to go to new locations too.

* [[Its the Same So It Sucks]]: Some of the criticisms of the show for returning to previous filming locations (Panama, Samoa). Even some of the ''producers'' have thought this, but in between the weather<ref>Samoa got hit by a tsunami barely a week after ''Heroes vs Villains'' finished filming</ref> and political unrest,<ref>The Fijian Coup de'tat even happened ''as the season was being wrapped up''. Plus, Jordan was considered as a location for the show once but canned due to 9/11.</ref> finding a new location for the show is easier said than done, especially since they have to have worthy housing for ''three hundred'' people. They even stated that some locations are out due to problems with the area, such as ''Africa'' wherein everyone was sick and too hot to do anything, ''Guatemala'' where the temperature would regularly be over one hundred degrees F, or ''Marquesas'' where the insects inflicted quite a bit of discomfort amongst the contestants and staff. Therefore, reusing locations is a bit of a necessary evil, and even plenty of the staff would love to go to new locations too.

** It's also been speculated that they always have to film it on an island away from civilization or in the event of a mainland one like Gabon, China, or Amazon, in a ''very'' secluded area due to speculations of people trying to fly or drive into the filming area(s) and spoil or disrupt the game. It's speculated that's why they won't film it in Australia again, or try Alaska.

* [[Jerkass Woobie]]: [[Grey and Gray Morality|Many]]

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** The women in ''Vanuatu'' had a 6-4 majority with the men at the merge, yet allowed Chris to slip through them and throw out what would have been the easiest victories in the series.

** In ''Micronesia'', the fans basically decided to eliminate some of their stronger players first; which isn't that good of an idea.

** Christine in ''South Pacific'' made no effort at all to be friendly with Coach, going as far as to call him a "temporary player." She then made it almost blatantly clear to the rest of her tribe that she was hunting for idols, and yet made no effort at all to ally herself with anyone except maybe Stacey. <ref>having an idol doesn't make a difference if you're in a ''2-6 minority.''</ref> And yet she's ''surprised'' that Coach and his alliance voted her out!

** Christine in ''South Pacific'' made no effort at all to be friendly with Coach, going as far as to call him a "temporary player." She then made it almost blatantly clear to the rest of her tribe that she was hunting for idols, and yet made no effort at all to ally herself with anyone except maybe Stacey.<ref>having an idol doesn't make a difference if you're in a ''2-6 minority.''</ref> And yet she's ''surprised'' that Coach and his alliance voted her out!

** Also in ''South Pacific'', Ozzy got the bright idea to get ''himself'' voted out, "blame" Cochran to mislead the other tribe, beat Christine at Redemption Island so she wouldn't rejoin her old tribe, and return to the game at the merge. He's extremely lucky this didn't backfire on him (Cochran even gave back the idol Ozzy gave away), but that's a lot of risk for absolutely no gain (the other tribe wasn't fooled) and wasn't even necessary in the first place (Christine had no love for her old tribe and wouldn't have allied with them, not that they knew this).

** Russell voting out Danielle in ''Heroes vs. Villains'', one of his final three partners along with Parvati. Jealous of the fact that Parvati was closer to Danielle than she was to him (despite the fact that they were a three-person alliance destined for the final three), he tried turning the girls against each other in a spectacularly bad way, and when that failed, rallied the remaining two Heroes and Jerri to vote her out. This huge slip-up not only created an '''''extremely''''' angry juror in Danielle, but also allowed eventual winner [[The Cassandra|Sandra]] to slip into that third spot when everyone else was voted out, where she eventually won in a landslide.

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