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Affectionately known on [[All The Tropes]] as [["The Other Tropes Wiki]]", '''[https://tvtropes.org/ TV Tropes]''' is a wiki documenting the various conventions of fiction in a fairly informal manner, and [[All The Tropes:Why Fork TV Tropes|the origin]] of All The Tropes as a fork.
 
Like any sizable work, they've collected their own fair share of [[trope]]s.
 
{{tropelist|Tropes expressed in the Wiki proper:}}
* [[Abomination Accusation Attack]]: As part of what had led to the Second Google Incident was an influx of [[lolicon]] content (removal of which was [http://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/126764370923/ill-be-fair-at-least-tv-tropes-realizes-they commented on and praised] by [[Fuck No TVTropes]]), removing anything perceived as such was [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13348113150A21620700&page=0#comment-4 the explicit stated aim] of the P5 acronym as it was initially conceived. However, when those efforts overstepped their bounds it got to the point where Fast Eddie and the pre-sale administration of TVT routinely accused anyone who disagreed with it of being a pedophile or wanting to use the wiki to disseminate "pedoshit".
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* [[Accentuate the Negative]]: [[Darth Wiki]].
* [[Ad Dissonance]]: TV Tropes's ads are documented by [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/JustForFun/AdOfWin Ad of Win] and [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/AdOfLose Ad of Lose] at opposite ends of the spectrum.
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** Frequently seen in 2012, when various wiki contributors made it known they were leaving because they did not approve of the measures the wiki management [[Think of the Advertisers!|had chosen to impose]] in the wake of [[TV Tropes/The Second Google Incident|The Second Google Incident]]. Fast Eddie or other staff would routinely lock the accounts of such departing users and [[Unperson|blank their troper pages]] as "punishment" for quitting the wiki.
** Fast Eddie's abrupt and unilateral change of TV Tropes' license from Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-BY-SA) to the incompatible Attribution-Noncommercial-ShareAlike (CC-BY-NC-SA) within days of learning that the wiki content had been scraped and forked in early July 2012 can also be seen as an example of this trope. It did nothing to undo the fork or stop competing wikis from using the legally-acquired content -- it was nothing more than a "door slam" whose only purpose was to give Fast Eddie the illusion that he had any control over the situation at all.
* [[Artifact Title]]: TV Tropes started with ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'' in particular before expanding to television, and then to all. Nowadaysforms it encompasses allof media, insofar as [[Think of the Advertisers!|their need for ad revenue allows them to]].
* [[Artistic License Law]]:
* [[Artistic License Law]]: Fighteer's belief that casually adding a non-negotiable, unilateral (and implicitly ''retroactive'') claim to all contributors' copyrights to [https://web.archive.org/web/20140122054355/http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Administrivia/WelcomeToTVTropes the TVT Admninistrivia page] in 2012 was both legal and an appropriate response to contributor questions about their license status. Fortunately, the new management actually consulted a real lawyer about this in 2015 and backpedaled on it so quickly they left skid marks - even so, both this and the license changes previously discussed (see [[And Stay Out!]] above) have caused All The Tropes in particular to adopt a strict anti-plagiarism policy that disallows copying from TV Tropes ''unless'' the editor in question is importing changes that they made.
** Fast Eddie's contention after the fork that Creative Commons was "a license to plagiarize".
* [[Artistic License Law]]:* Fighteer's belief that casually adding a non-negotiable, unilateral (and implicitly ''retroactive'') claim to all contributors' copyrights to [https://web.archive.org/web/20140122054355/http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Administrivia/WelcomeToTVTropes the TVT Admninistrivia page] in 20122013 was both legal and an appropriate response to contributor questions about their license status. Fortunately, the new management actually consulted a real lawyer about this in 2015 and backpedaled on it so quickly they left skid marks - even so, both this and the license changes previously discussed (see [[And Stay Out!]] above) have caused All The Tropes in particular to adopt a strict anti-plagiarism policy that disallows copying from TV Tropes ''unless'' the editor in question is importing changes that they (and they alone) made.
* [[Author Appeal]]:
** TV Tropes spawned from a fan-site for a [[Joss Whedon]] TV series, and many tropes like [[Big Damn Heroes]] can be traced back to Whedon's work (which is one of the many influences All The Tropes inherited).
** TV Tropes really liked ''[[The Nostalgia Critic]]'' and its spin-offs once upon the time. As the [[Colbert Bump]] pages notes, it took only an hour after his ''[[All Dogs Go to Heaven]]'' review was posted for the [[Non Sequitur Scene]] page to be created (under the name inspired by the review, "Big-Lipped Alligator Moment").
** ''[[BlazBlue]]'' was pretty over-represented on their ''Pantheon'' (basically a place for users to gush about their favorite characters) even by the standards of a surprisingly-popular mix of [[Fighting Game]] and [[Visual Novel]]. <!--The only character from Calamity Trigger who is not a ''god'' is [[Genius Bruiser|Iron Tager]]. (Is that still true?)-->
* [[Beige Prose]]: The [[Laconic]] pages.
* [[Berserk Button]]: Probably easier to list what ''isn't'' one.
* [[Big Lie]]: The efforts made by the Fast Eddie-headed administration to convince TVT users that All The Tropes and other legally-forked troping wikis somehow constituted [[Plagiarism]], that they were [[Troll]] sites, ''and'' their staff and users focused on salacious material to the exclusion of all else can be considered this.
* [[Blatant Lies]]: Many users have since come to regard Second Google Incident-era statements concerning [[Troper's Law (Darth Wiki)|users' ability to "disagree with the site's editorial or administrative policies"]] as this.
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* [[Everyone Has Standards]]: For all that users on the anti-TVT side of the [[Broken Base]] have complained about the site in the years following the split, practically no one mourns the loss of the Troper Tales section that didn't ''already'' have a significant [[Bile Fascination]].
* [[Exactly What It Says on the Tin]]: Some of the trope titles, and increasing every day. These are listed in the [[Index of Exact Trope Titles]].
* [[Guilt Trip]]: AsLike ofseveral 2021other sites on the modern web, TV Tropes detectscirca 2021 detected some forms of ad-blocking and automatically displaysdisplayed banners reading "This is page #X you have viewed this month without ads. We get it, ads aren't what you're here for, but they do pay for the hosting and maintenance of TV Tropes. Please whitelist us or purchase an ad-free pass to support TV Tropes." This is a considerable improvement over a previous tactic, which was to refuse to show any content whatsoever until you relented and disabled your ad-blocking - both of which are symptoms of athe aforementioned larger internet-wide trend acrosswhere various websites attemptingattempt to maintain their ad revenue.
* [[Hair-Trigger Temper]]: Moderator Fighteer is known for this, especially towards those who have been suspended for any reasons. Fighteer himself has admitted that he's like this to keep "troublemakers" in line and to intimidate trolls - he's been known to define "troublemaker" as anyone who disagrees with him, even long-standing members of the wiki. It's gotten to the point that he's retired from moderation as of December 2022, with even his critics expressing hopes that he'll come back with a clearer head (and thus end up much less ban-happy).
* [[Hive Mind]]: A conscious goal. At one point, the Ask The Tropers page description was "Appeals to the troper hivemind".
* [[Hurricane of Puns]]:
** Just read the [[Just for Pun]] index.
** The [[Sorting Algorithm of Tropes]] index qualifies, although the puns will likely [[Stealth Pun|slip under your radar]] if you don't have a computer science background.
* [[Interface Spoiler]]: Thanks to the seemingly arbitrary criteria in how character sheets are created and who deserves one, TV Tropes often spoilsspoil that a new character is not really new by not giving it a separatedseparate character sheet and giving tropes belonging to it to an old character, even if it's covered in spoilers. And given the inconsistent application of rules, it's also a random roulette to know what works thisthese rules apply tooto. This wiki was initially made of a copy of TV Tropes pre-July of 2012, so older material here also applies.
* [[Irony]]: The [[Fetish Fuel]] pages were cut after they became a massive embarrassment to TV Tropes. Irony abounds when said pages began with Fast Eddie's official blessing.
* [[Lampshade Hanging]]: For pages about tropes, there will a folder section for TV Tropes, lampshading how TV Tropes uses the trope explained on the page in some fashion. Very meta. Even more meta is the logo. [[Department of Redundancy Department | Which is the Lampshade.]]
* [[Keep Circulating the Tapes]]: The many NSFW works and [[Fetish Fuel]] tropes that were wiped in The Google Incidents - many can only be accessed through the pages' edit history or through archive sites, and some were never archived. Some of the forks emphasized that they would be much more lenient in allowing for discussion of such works in order to appeal to disaffected users on that particular side of the [[Broken Base]], such as the now-deleted Fetish Fuel Wiki. This was not helped by the accusations TV Tropes administration of the time made that claimed the staff and users of those forks focused on salacious material to the exclusion of all else - while it's not hard to imagine that this segment of the userbase existed, especially considering what led to the Second Google Incident to begin with, it was far more than unfair to tar every fork with that same brush.<ref>Then again, Fast Eddie had made it clear on several occasions that he considered the ad-free and uncensored forks to be an existential threat to TVT and the revenue stream it generated for him. He wasn't concerned with "fair".</ref>
* [[Lighter and Softer]]: [[Sugar Wiki]], where all the positive opinions go to.
* [[Lampshade Hanging]]: For pages about tropes, there will be a folder section for TV Tropes, lampshading how TV Tropesit uses the trope explained on the page in some fashion. Very meta. Even more meta is the logo., [[Departmentan of Redundancy Department | Which is theactual Lampshadelampshade.]]
* [[Lighter and Softer]]: [[Sugar Wiki]], where all the positive opinions go to.
* [[Medium Awareness]]: References to how the site is a wiki are constantly referenced.
* [[Metasyntactic Variable]]: TV Tropes had at one time a practice of using the word "trope" as a Metasyntactic Variable in trope names, such as [[The Trope Kid]], [[Disney Owns This Trope]] and [[The Von Trope Family]]. They began discouraging this practice well before the fork leading to ATT took place, and many such names were later replaced, but a few still linger there ''and'' here.
* [[Mind Screw]]: At least half the entries in [[Wild Mass Guessing]].
* [[Moe Anthropomorphism]]: [[Trope-tan]] -- and her [[Tropey the Wonder Dog|little dog, too]].
* [[Moral Guardians]]: Although they formally deny it, if one reads the threads in which wiki pages are reported and judged for possibly violating TVT's content restrictions, one will see that work pages are not judged by their content but by the work they describe. One will almost never see a discussion like "Will this page as written cause us trouble with Google Ads? Can we change it so that it doesn't?" Rather, the commentary is almost universally along the lines of "the work this page describes is offensive to me, we should not even acknowledge it exists" and decisions are made on that basis alone. Regardless of what they claim to the contrary, except in the cases of certain famous works whose removal would bring (and have brought) negative press attention, TVT imposes a moral standard for the works that are allowed to appear on the wiki. That standard is determined by the [[Lowest Common Denominator]] of [[Squick]] and/or prudery found among the [[Vocal Minority]] who report (and demand removal of) pages.
* [[The Moral Substitute]]: In the wake of the Second Google incident and the administrative efforts to [[Think of the Advertisers!|purge itself of revenue-threatening content]] resulted in, other forks of TV Tropes arisingarose as ostensible examples of this to the site, seeking to establish fairer rules and better treatment of users and preserve cut content from the site. TV Tropes administration also tried to portray the site as this in comparison to some or all the forks - see [[Big Lie]].
* [[Orwellian Editor]]: During Fast Eddie's tenure as admin, forum threads that criticized him or his wiki ended up nuked, meaning that anyone who tried to access it would be redirected to a blank page. Eddie wasn't the only one with nuke powers, though - the moderators themselves had the ability to nuke threads, and took full advantage of these, also resulting in [[Unperson|the bans of those who do the disagreeing]]).
* [[Never My Fault]]: Constantly, the mods tend to do any and everything they can not to claim responsibility for a fault in how they run the site. With many reports of them deflecting blame when it's pointed out to them and often (and commonly) either threatening or just outright banning the user who complains to them about it.
* [[Overused Running Gag]]:
* [[Orwellian Editor]]: The moderation staff routinely deletes ''anything'' they don't like or that dares to disagree with their opinions ([[Unperson|They also delete those who do the disagreeing]]). Entire threads have been known to vanish when the subject matter ventures into areas that the mods simply don't want to be discussed. They are aided in this by PMWiki's bare-minimum history feature, which retains little more than the last couple dozen edits (let alone a full audit trail back to the page creator), and which provides no simple mechanism for restoring deletions.
** [[I Am Not Making This Up]] and [[So, Yeah]] were so overused that the wiki said "enough is enough!" and purged all mention of them from the wiki, deleting and perma-locking their pages. Other tropes that were the subject of troper misuse due to [[Opinion Myopia]] (such as [[Complete Monster]] and [[Magnificent Bastard]], which were also subject to similar contention here) were either disambiguated or given an [[Example Sectionectomy]] to prevent their overuse.
** Plenty of tropers think they own the pages they edit and patrol them, changing/deleting anything they don't ''fully'' agree with. For example, rva98014 thinks they own every animated film page, earning the ire of several tropers. He has since been perma-banned for edit warring, one of a very small percentage of banned users that actually deserved it.
** Some particular [[Fetish Fuel]]-related tropes such as [[Panty Shot]], alongside relatively tamer examples such as [[Hot Mom]] and [[Hot Dad]], fell afoul of similar misuse, especially among the genuinely creepier elements of the old userbase. Both this unsavory behavior and the excessive administrative action taken in curtailing it is source of at least one [[Broken Base|major break in the userbase]], - among many other things, it resulted in the creation of a Fetish Fuel Wiki that ended up deleted when [[Wikia|FANDOM]] went on a purge of its own. It's worth noting that both [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Administrivia/NoLewdnessNoPrudishness TV Tropes] and All The Tropes have a [[All The Tropes:No Lewdness, No Prudishness|"No Lewdness, No Prudishness"]] rule intended to deter [[A Date With Rosie Palms|excessive one-handed editing]].
** If you're only familiar with the comic version of [[The Umbrella Academy]], you will be thinking that Vanya was gender-swapped in the television series from the start thanks to the television series page only mentioning Viktor. The moment Gerard Way decided the character should be a man after Season 2, however, Tv Tropes erased almost all mentions of the character's appearances as female.
** Parody Visual Novel ''[[Snoot Game]]'' had its page erased because the developers of the game is parodying, ''Goodbye Volcano High'', along with several forum users (including one notable user who had a Special Thanks credit in the game), complained about its contents.
* [[Paedo Hunt]]: TV Tropes's headlong rush to embrace censorship in 2012 was framed as a Paedo Hunt, using this trope as both a rallying cry and as a tool to discredit dissent and dissenters. It conveniently allowed the [[Censorship Bureau|P5]] [[Abomination Accusation Attack|to tar any work they disliked as "pedoshit" and anyone who disagreed with their agenda as a "pedophile"]]. While admittedly TVT had attracted an unsavory and frankly creepy element that did need purging, the extent to which the campaign was (and continues to be) taken—and the targets it was pointed at—suggest it is more a political/economic tool than a kneejerk [[Think of the Children]] reaction.
* [[Poe's Law]]: TV Tropes fell victim to this during [[The Second Google Incident]] - several works were cutlisted by members in protest of the "zero-tolerance" policy that was adopted. While obvious ultra-famous works like ''[[Romeo and Juliet]]''<ref>...which has [[wikipedia:Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition#Majority opinion|a history of being used this way]].</ref> were at little risk, one particular work named ''[[Black Bird]]'' ended up being cut for real; it was restored afterwards, and the TV Tropes administration of the time admitted it was removed in error (which was considered quite rare for them).
* [[Post ModernPostmodernism]]: Plenty of examples. Since the site is a catalog of devices used in fiction, theit wholenaturally siteruns ison this, as do many of its forks.
* [[Punny Name]]: Quite a few article titles.
* [[Rant-Inducing Slight]]: [http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-websites-that-are-clearly-f2123king-with-me/ An August 2015 article] on ''[[Cracked.com]]'' deftly skewered TVT for the more ridiculous, tone-deaf and flat-out disturbing "Real Life" examples that show up on trope pages (some of which were inherited by ATT and are still being cleaned up as they are discovered). TVT'sThe TV Tropes user base decided that they had been "betrayed" by Cracked.com and all but declared war on the website.
* [[Reasonable Authority Figure]]s: The new owners of TV Tropes, Drew and Chris, have aimed to be this from the start. - whileWhile moderation had a long way to go around the time of the site changed hands, they have since aimed towards becoming examples of this trope as well,; though considerable progress has been made from the bad old post-Second Google Incident days, they are far from immune to mis-stepssevere missteps.
* [[Running Gag]]: Several, most commonly "[[Tropes Will Ruin Your Life]]". There were also many [[Overused Running Gag]]s:
** [[I Am Not Making This Up]] and [[So, Yeah]] were so overused that the wiki said "enough is enough!" and purged all mention of them from the wiki, deleting and perma-locking their pages. Other tropes that were the subject of troper misuse due to [[Opinion Myopia]] (such as [[Complete Monster]] and [[Magnificent Bastard]], which were also subject to similar contention here) were either disambiguated or given an [[Example Sectionectomy]] to prevent their overuse.
** Some particular [[Fetish Fuel]]-related tropes such as [[Panty Shot]], alongside relatively tamer examples such as [[Hot Mom]] and [[Hot Dad]], fell afoul of similar misuse, especially among the genuinely creepier elements of the old userbase. Both this unsavory behavior and the excessive administrative action taken in curtailing it is source of at least one [[Broken Base|major break in the userbase]], - among many other things, it resulted in the creation of a Fetish Fuel Wiki that ended up deleted when [[Wikia|FANDOM]] went on a purge of its own. It's worth noting that both [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Administrivia/NoLewdnessNoPrudishness TV Tropes] and All The Tropes have a [[All The Tropes:No Lewdness, No Prudishness|"No Lewdness, No Prudishness"]] rule intended to deter [[A Date With Rosie Palms|excessive one-handed editing]].
* [[Schmuck Bait]]: A lot of external links are this. Notable offenders:
** [[Ear Worm]]: Prepare to be hearing the piece of music from that link for the rest of the day.
** [[Rickroll]]: Do we really need to explain this one?{{context|Yes, we do.}}
* [[Screw the Rules, I Make Them]]: Fast Eddie's sole guiding principle during his final years as owner of the site, starting with the Second Google Incident. A good case in point: when he established the [[Censorship Bureau|P5]] he expressly reserved the right to overrule them and delete something he didn't like even if they felt it was "safe" for the site, just because he didn't like it -- while holding up the P5 as having the "final authority" over wiki content.
* [[Seen It All]]: Read the site enough and take it too seriously, and you may become this.
* [[Self-Demonstrating Article]]: A whole index of them, many of which were inherited by All The Tropes at the time of forking.
* [[Sex Is Evil]]: In the immediate aftermath of The Second Google Incident, the administrative over-correction fromfor the excess of commentary that was outwardly sexual (and frankly crass in some cases) iswas largely viewed as this by some of the [[Broken Base]], and still is to this day - for what it's worth, this attitude has been significantly relaxed since, although [[Think of the Advertisers!|retaining Google Ads]] still means there's some level of constraint. See also the [[Big Lie]] example above regarding the older administration's attitudes towards forks that aimed to preserve the NSFW content (whether for better or worse is another matter).
* [[Theme Naming]]: Their trope-naming "organizations", [[SPOON]], [[FORKS]], [[KNIVES]], and [[PLATTER]], wereare all named after kitchen utensils.
* [[There Is No Kill Like Overkill]]: AThe fewoverly yearsharsh ago, TV Tropes happilypunishments handed out permabans to anyoneusers whothat criticizedaccidentally them.break Disagreea withrule theor administrationeven of the site? Wellworse, thendo enjoysomething gettingthat aisn't permanentbad banbut andis beingperceived redirected to Google every single time you try toas accessbad itanyway.
* [[Think of the Advertisers!]]: One of the primary motivations for the content purge in the wake of the Second Google Incident. While partially justified by the sheer amount of [[Squick]] that the site was developing a reputation for in regards to [[Porn Tropes]], [[Fetish Fuel]] and [[Fan Wank]] in general, the solutionadmins' ofsolutions were seen as [["Stop Having Fun!" Guys|tilting hard towards]] [[Sex Is Evil|the other extreme]] and generally did not sit well with the userbase at large.
* [[Thrown Down a Well]]:
** The Permanent Red Link Club, used for tropes and features that are deleted and locked to make sure that they could never return.
** This treatment was also given to the infamous [[Troper Tales]] feature.
* [[Tropes Will Ruin Your Life]]: You thought we were kidding?
* [[Unperson]]: The TV Tropes administration of the post-[[TV Tropes/The Second Google Incident|Second Google Incident]] era have a reputation for doing this to tropers who either quit using the site or criticized their management during that time.
* [[Visual Pun]]: Some of the images for their trope articles are this.
* [[Wiki Walk]]: It's a wiki, what else would you expect?
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* [[Bread, Eggs, Milk, Squick]]
* [[Captain Obvious]]
* [[Comically Missing the Point]]: There is a substantial fraction of TV Tropes' users who participate ''only'' in the forums and judge presence on the site as a whole solely by the presence there. Prolific wiki contributors who never bother with the forums can be written off as having "left the site" by these users.
* [[Continuity Nod]]
* [[Conversational Troping]]: Pretty much the original intention of the forums. It quickly outgrew that.
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