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* [[This Troper]] has actually seen a comic on [[Deviant ART]] making jokes about that - Beast Boy remarks how, if kissing Robin taught her English, would sex teach her kung-fu? Raven does a [[Spit Take]] while Starfire merrily skips away calling for Robin so he can "teach her".

** Here's a link, [http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=starfire%20sex&order=9&offset=24#/dxnnrk link]. Although it's Terra, not Beast Boy.

Shortly after Robin shouts "Titans, Go!", Dr. Light is brutally murdered by the [[Curb Stomp Battle|''sheer force of impact'' of his opponents]]. I challenge anyone to come up with a reasonable scenario where he survives the assault.

* "Jason Todd" was one of the theories on Beast Boy's chart in the episode of Red X's return. This was the name of one of the Robins from the comics, who recently came [[Back Fromfrom the Dead]] and assumed an [[Anti-Villain]] identity with a very similar name -- the "Red Hood". The new Red X is the current Titans' Robin's [[Evil Counterpart]]; his skill level and fighting style mirror Robin's. Jason was a bit of an angsty [[Badass]], whose personality is in sync with the new Red X's, and who would be just the type to do something like this. The usual argument is that Jason Todd has not yet existed in the [[DCAU]] (assuming ''Titans'' does), and Red X seems much more subdued than his comic book counterpart, just like [[The Mole|Terra]].

** So [[I Knew It!|Beast Boy was right?]]

* The son of Bruce Wayne and Talia al Ghul, a [http://en.[wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Wayne:Damian Wayne|"violent and self-important"]] kid. Posing as Red X and taking on the Titans single-handedly is a twisted way to try and earn Batman's approval.

** So [[I Knew It!|Beast Boy was right...again?]]

'''A Time Traveling Younger [[Batman Beyond (Animation)|Terry]]'''

* "Lost Lost Brother" was one of the possible theories on Beast Boy's chart in the episode of Red X's return, and both Robin and the new Red X have similar voices (unless there's a built-in voice changer in the mask). Robin does have an older brother in ''[[Batman Forever (Film)|Batman Forever]]'', his named is Mitchell and got killed along with their parents by Two-Face. A similar scenario may have happened in the ''Teen Titans'' universe, and was brought back to life or never truly died at all (a la Jason Todd in the original comics). But since he is labeled "'''Long Lost''' Brother", Robin's brother may have been kidnapped, missing, or sent to live with relatives at a younger age when Robin was either a baby or in her mother's womb, since Robin doesn't even acknowledge having a brother or any other sibling. He found out his little brother is Robin (and by extension, Bruce Wayne is Batman) and has been stalking him since. That would sort of explain how Red X seems to know a lot about Robin. His hostility towards Robin is because Red X was jealous their parents give him more attention. Or he blames him for their parents' death because Robin knew Boss Zucco sabotaged the circus act but never said anything before its too late (like in several reinterpretations of the incident).

** So [[I Knew It!|Beast Boy was right]] [[Rule of Three|a third time?]]

'''[[Tales of Symphonia (Video Game)|Lloyd Irving]]'''

'''[[The Batman (Animation)|Scorn]]'''

* A one-shot character from [[The Batman (Animation)|The Batman]] who was partners with his brother Wrath, serving as a Robin analogue to Wrath's Batman. They were a lot like the Dynamic Duo, except they're criminals who fight against the police and superheroes because they believe that crime is just another career, and that criminals have enough problems to deal with without superheroes constantly ruining their day.

* Like Desmond, he could have escaped from a Farm, except he did it ''after'' learning some badass skills, but still before being told that it's totally okay to kill people.<ref>Due to the fact that he left all of the villains alive in "Revved Up". That, and because he's meant to be a character who represents the grey in between the black and white, someone who isn't exactly 'good', but also someone whom the Titans can't simply place in the 'bad' category alone -- and in the ''[[Teen Titans (Animationanimation)|Teen Titans]]'' universe, it's [[Values Dissonance|really, really hard to be considered not evil when you're killing people on a regular basis. Or at all]].</ref> The basis for this theory? He ''took a [[Leap of Faith|leap of faith]]'' off of a ''cliff''. With no hesitation ''whatsoever''. I am willing to concede that it may just have been because Red X is a [[Teen Titans (Animationanimation)/Awesome|Crowning Character of Awesome]]. Of course, being an escaped Assassin who still hasn't been hunted down by the [[Knights Templar|Templars]] would just add to that Awesome.

== ''[[Teen Titans (Animationanimation)|Teen Titans]]'' is a Tabletop RPG being played by a bunch of adolescents. ==

** It's not a very good RPG. It's the [[FATAL]] of that universe. You should see the stuff CN cuts out.

** It's even funnier when you look at the team a bit differently... I.E. look at it like a [[DnDungeons & Dragons|D&D]] campaign group. Robin=Fighter/Monk/Warblade, Cyborg=Barbarian (he even gets to play one for real in an episode), Beat Boy=Druid (Come on. Wildshape much?), Starfire=Sorceress (great for battle but not quite as versatile as Raven), and Raven=Wizard (versatile, has lots of spells, has to learn them and even has to meditate/prepare spells).

== Robin is a mutant clone of the three original Robins that was sent back in time to stop the world from being destroyed by [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|giant robots]] and somehow got caught up defending San Fran...er...Main/TheCity[[The City]] from evil. ==

== ''[[Teen Titans (Animationanimation)|Teen Titans]]'' is [[Show Within a Show|a cartoon show]] that airs in [[The DCU]]. ==

This explains why Robin is portrayed as an aggregate, and why no [[Secret Identity|secret identities]] are shown. The few name-slips in the last season were [[Shout -Out|Shout Outs]] to the inspirations.

{{quote| '''Franco Aurelani:''' ''Tiny Titans is like an unlicensed version of a TV show that exists in the DC Universe. In Teen Titans #50, you're going to see a little bit of them watching Tiny Titans on TV.''}}

** It seems that the TTGo Rose is an amalgam of Rose Wilson and Grant Wilson, as she's supposedly Slade's oldest child and Jericho is her YOUNGER brother.

Okay, maybe not, but the concept [[http://fromearth.net/LetsPlay/Wall<!-- 20Street20Kid%20Street%20Kid/ makes this video game playthrough even FUNNIER.]] -->

After making a gigantic amount of cash, he retired from that business and used it to fund his ambitions under his real name. At some point, he developed an interest in the occult, acquiring items like the medallion he used to summon the fire demom and the Ring of Azar, and possibly meeting Trigon or one of his representatives to lay the groundwork for a future deal. After the events of "The End," he's gone back to ground and is working on a new plan, having learned nothing beyond "demons don't play well with others".

In the two part story "Apprentice" in Season One, Slade manipulates Robin into becoming his apprentice and orders him to steal from Wayne Enterprises. Slade's ambitions are suspiciously ambiguous. Like the [[Dark Knight Trilogy]] incarnation of Batman did on his travels, Slade could be having Robin steal things that are already his in order to teach him the nature of criminality without Robin's technically committing crimes. And like the [[Ultimate Universe|All Star]] Batman, Slade might simply be [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|open to morally questionable means in the name of the greater good]]. And when we finally catch a glimpse of Slade underneath the mask, we can see that he has dark hair, which means that Bruce Wayne could be a second alter ego of his.

* Future!Robin is the last survivor a [[The End of the World Asas We Know It]]. He saw everything and everyone die horribly [[A Fate Worse Than Death|or worse]], and is so scared-shitless and unbalanced that he's become a [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]], willing to do ''anything'' to defeat the true future threat, even become willing to ally with Trigon, because what's coming is ''even worse''. He's not trying to make Robin a criminal, he's teaching him to be absolutely ruthless and willing to let the ends justify ''any'' means, since that's what he believes will be necessary to avert his failure.

* Alternate theory: After "Apprentice, Part 2", Future Robin [[Ret -Gone|fade from existence]] after his past self [[Screw Destiny|changed his future]] and is replaced by a completely different person from the future. Thus explaining Slade's apparent emotionless state.

* That is Starfire's true personality... around people she loves, like Galfore. Since apparently the closest thing to kindness on Tamaran is ''rutha'' (weakness), and because of her training as a warrior, she learned to put up a defensive and tough façade around other people. When she first saw the Titans, she assumed that they would act the way Tamaraneans would and put up the façade. When she realised that the Titans and (most of the) people on earth would not react that way, she was quick to be herself and open up to her new friends, revealing her true self.

Even though it officially isn't, there's nothing in any work that rules it out. The JLA characters are never mentioned, but presumably the sidekicks ''are'' sidekicks, and so the Leaguers do exist in the Titanverse; they just never appear. Speedy appears regularly in Titans, played by Mike Irwin. Irwin reprises the role in the ''[[Justice League Unlimited]]'' episode "Patriot Games". Also, Kid Flash shows up in the Titans episodes "Lightspeed" and "Titans Together", voiced by Michael Rosenbaum and with an attitude identical to the JLU version of Wally West. The fact that Wally's still ''Kid'' Flash is evidence that ''Titans'' is set ''long'' before ''JLU'', so Robin is Dick Grayson (this fits with the future where he's Nightwing - with the DCAU costume, which is distinct from the comic book version). Unfortunately, he's not played by Loren Lester, but when so much else fits, why quibble on that? ''Titans'' is probably set before the "classic" ''[[Batman: The Animated Series (Animation)|Batman the Animated Series]]'' even begins.

* So it's serious [[Obfuscating Stupidity]]? That's kind of awesome, actually.

* Very possible. With her super strength and other powers she could fight her way out of many situations, yet she plays the [[Distressed Damsel in Distress]] fairly often. There's a strong backup that she just simply chooses not to do it.

== ''[[Teen Titans (Animationanimation)|Teen Titans]]'' is in the same continuity as ''[[The Batman (Animation)|The Batman]]'' (that is, the SECOND animated series that's not in the [[DCAU]]). ==

* Also, rather unfortunately, no one cares about timeline continuity on [[The Batman (Animation)|The Batman]]. Thus, you could shoehorn almost anything in.

** But these shows have very different versions of Killer Moth. If the two Killer Moths are two different characters altogether, the show being set in [[The Batman (Animation)|The Batman]]'s continuity makes perfect sense.

** [httphttps://wwwweb.archive.org/web/20110927161334/http://titanstower.com/source/animated/behindglens12345.html According to this interview], when they tried to come up with a story for Starfire, it kept being absorbed into a different arc.

** Alternately, Atlas isn't a robot at all- he's a cyborg, but only his brain is human. He had it transferred to a mechanical body because he felt it was superior, and now denies that he was ever human. Spike was originally just a mechanic he hired to take care of him, but over time he browbeat him into little more than a personal slave.

* Kardiak - a combination of a pacemaker and [[AIA.I. Is a Crapshoot|an AI gone haywire.]]

** Alternately, it was created by a [[Mad Scientist]] for the express purpose of kidnapping children for his experiments (best not to dwell on ''why'' he or she needed children specifically). Since then, the creator either died or was arrested, and Kardiak, not smart enough to know better, keeps committing purposeless kidnaps over and over again.

* Cinderblock was likely a creation of Slade's, as he almost always is seen working for him. His limited intelligence and need to have someone tell him what to do led to his joining up with the Brotherhood later on.

* Mother May-Eye is this world's version of a Beldam from [[Coraline (Literaturenovel)|Coraline]].

* Puppet King was an [[Evil Sorcerer]] who tried for immortality using a puppet as a [[Soul Jar]]- and accidentally transferred hs entire mind into it. At first he wanted to get his own body back- but then he thought about it, and decided he take over a bunch of other people's bodies instead- specifically, ''superpowered'' bodies. The rest is history.

* Fang was the result of an attempt by Killer Moth to splice human and spider DNA together. The result wasn't quite what he'd expected - but he kept Fang around because Kitten [[Perverse Sexual Lust|liked the look]].

== Teen Titans is set in either part of [[War CraftWarcraft|The Great Dark Beyond]] or The Twisting Nether ==

Raven comes from a place called "Azarath," perhaps another way of pronouncing (or even the result of linguistic drift away from) Azeroth, the main world of the [[War CraftWarcraft]] setting. Given that Azarath is supposedly a place set up between all dimensions and Raven does not seem at all troubled with futuristic technology, it could be that Azeroth was destroyed and/or sucked into The Twisting Nether 900 years (as given in the comics) prior to the events of Teen Titans. The refugees of Azeroth would have come together under the leadership of Azar, who may have named himself after the fallen planet, to help him in his plan to expel their evil so as to bring forth and ultimately slay Trigon. Bringing the refugees to the Twisting Nether safely could have been accomplished by any of the [[War CraftWarcraft]] casting classes, but Azar's plan could theoretically be done by any of the casting classes besides the druids or shamans. This makes more sense, given that all of the refugees Raven remembers seem to be humans or partly so and humans, like the Blood Elves and Undead, have access to all casting classes save druids and shamans. Further, Trigon as a demon would work just fine as a member of the Burning Legion and more specifically resembles some pictures of Kil'jaedan, the last of the leaders of The Burning Legion. Finally, Raven's [[Green Lantern Ring]] magics can (and have) duplicated spells of any of the casting classes accessible to humans, in practice closely resembling those of the Warlock and Mage and in effects (visual and actual) those of the Priest.

* I theorize it contained a Pulp Fiction reference.

Ding-dong Daddy has a small army of robots and a mobile machine shop. Mad Mod and Slade have used robot doubles and holograms, not to mention Replacement!Cyborg, so the technology exists in canon.

Raven only destroyed his manifestation on this plane and banished his spirit back to Hell; in a few centuries (short enough time for a being like him), he'll be back to full strength and ready to make another bid for multiversal dominance.

Notice that she lives in an abandoned building with no access to food, water or even a bed, you never see her hood down, she has traded her blue robe out for a white one and even Starfire notes that her mind is gone. With no friends to turn to and only being a tool of the apocalypse to look forward to she lost the will to live.

In the movie, Raven is shown being unusually cruel to Beast Boy, even given her "normal" attitude. Explanation #1- she's actually averting [[No Periods, Period]], and going through her... cycle.

== The [[Teen Titans (Animationanimation)|Teen Titans]] actually have a fanbase in Japan in universe ==

== The [[Teen Titans (Animationanimation)|Teen Titans]] universe was not a TV show, but a pocket universe created by Larry the Titan for his own amusement. ==

Let's think about it, shall we? She can't be bargained or reasoned with. She doesn't feel pity, remorse, or fear. And she absolutely will not stop, ever, until her target is dead. Not to mention the fact she's [[Nigh Invulnerable]]. As for her origin, [[Sky Net]]SkyNet sent 2 T-x's back in time to kill John Connor. The Terminator that made it was the one in Rise of the Machines. The first one, however, was accidentally sent to the [[Teen Titans (Animationanimation)|Teen Titans]] universe and lost its memory. It was discovered by the Brotherhood, and they Promptly trained her to their ways. They called her... Madame Rouge!

Except for, originally, BB and Terra plus Starfire and Robin. BB may have originally liked Raven, or may have just wanted to impress or get a reaction out of her, though. Maybe Cyborg and Bumblebee too.

In the comics Terra died, [[Hoist Byby His Own Petard|hoisted by her own petard]]. A few years later she reappears however it's shown that she was a random 21st century orphan that was given Terra's DNA which changed her into Terra, and was warped to the past. It is later shown though that {{spoiler|she was in fact a resurrected Terra.}} Not that she [[Dying to Be Replaced|ever learned that though]]. Terra 2 had false memories and Terra in the finale apparently didn't remember hers. She could have been faking it because she wanted to forget everyone, stop being a hero, start a new "normal" life, or maybe not to risk cause more trouble for her friends. Or she could have amnesia and truly not remember anything. She ''was'' trapped in rock for so long, and either as a side-effect or as a result of how she was freed, she lost her memories. Or possibly she does have at least a few of her memories but cannot understand what they are, so she followed BB who apparently knew. She however didn't ''want'' to learn her past or be a super hero..Or did she? Her behavior is vague enough for this to be plausible. She even stated that she ''only'' remembers high school. Call me Freudian but she doesn't even seem too into her friends or life. She seems..Empty, bored, and alone.

The core 4 group of the [[Bo E]] more then likely doesn't have a magical empowered member (possibly General Immortus, I'm not up on my DP history). So comes MM, and in turn of her magic, she gets Malchior, Puppet King and Mad Mod to join forces with the [[Bo E]] for their personal reasons (ie Mod's youth, Malchior being freed from Raven's book and PP getting animated again). It would explain how Malchior and Mad Mod got in the final season along with Puppet King. For the [[Bo E]] she got in because of hatred against young superheroes as long as she got to keep a few for herself.

** The academy's full name is the "HIVE Academy for Extraordinary Young People", which I always took to mean that the Academy was originally a subsidiary of the HIVE organization (since that acronym stands for something completely different), existing to train agents both for the HIVE's own use and to hire out as mercenaries. Then Blood came in, did ''something'' to the Headmistress (killed her himself, had someone else do it, [[Mind Rape|Mind Raped]] her into a coma, etc.) and used his powers to take over and start running the Academy as his own private army, without anyone actually high up at the HIVE being able to do anything about it.

** Robin, having recently struck out on his own, decided to establish himself as a hero in his own right. He knew that Jump City had a major problem with "weird" crime, so he thought it was as good a place as any to start.

** Beast Boy's reasons were probably pretty much the same, except that he left the Doom Patrol, rather than Batman.

** Cyborg might just be ''from'' Jump City, either originally or because he moved there after his "accident". Note that he makes reference to ''his'' neighborhood- that level of protectiveness and possessiveness makes it seem like he's been there a while.

* I always assumed it was because she never consciously ''spoke'' in English. Rather, the kiss she had with Robin gave her the ability to translate sentences "on the way out." That it, she thinks and forms the sentences in Tameranian, but her mouth forms them in English instead. That's why she is unable to use contractions or understand idioms- because those are "shortcuts" used by people who actually speak the language and apply meaning to the words.

This was hinted at during the How Long Is Forever episode, but it's the WAY this occurs this WMG adresses. So, Starfire goes through the portal, leaving the other Titans going "what the hell". Life continues, and everything that happens in the subsequent episodes happens, but without Starfire. The first big thing would be when Cyborg goes undercover at the Hive. Things play out slightly differently, and, while Cyborg still didn't join the Hive, there was no Starfire there to reassure him that he was still a normal person.

So now, we have Cyborg likely beginning to question himself and everything he's doing. The next really big event for the Titans was Terra, and her betrayl of them to Slade. This cut Beast Boy deep, and with his best friend getting broody, BB doesn't have much interms of outlets. He devots himself to video games exclusively (well, more than he already does), spending whatever free time he has playing them.

** Doing ''what'', exactly? I could buy "Testing Robin" for most of season one, since Robin's the main target throughout those episodes and at least some of the stolen tech is from Wayne Enterprises, so it wouldn't take much of a stretch to say the rest of it was as well (or was covertly owned by Bruce anyway). But when season two roles around, he shifts his focus to breaking Terra and then conquering the city with her and his robot army, and in season four he literally makes a [[Deal Withwith the Devil]] and brings hell to earth. I can't see Batman at his worst approving of that; if Slade started out working for him, he almost certainly went rogue at some point, likely between the first and second arcs.

{{quote| '''Jinx:''' I'm bad luck. Good was never really an option.}}

* Perhaps Kyd Wykkyd is part-demon as well- he certainly looks a lot like Raven, and his powers are similar too, from what we see. Maybe he's even full demon- him being [[The Voiceless]] because he has no interest in speaking to "common mortals" has a certain appeal.

They don't get the colorful villains robbing the banks, they have to deal with hostage situations, murders and other things you see on CSI. Steel City was chosen as the location of the Titans East because the police force was over-burdened, not because there were colorful villains robbing banks. Also, If the city is perpetually cold and cloudy, there's got to be problems with suicides and drug addiction. The Titans East aren't so much a superhero squad, but a fully-functional five-man police force (who happen to have superpowers). By the time Season five rolled around, they have the city under enough control that the titans east could afford to leave the city for a week or two.

At least, to no greater extent than any more powerful magic user can mess with a weaker one. Her powers "came from him", true, but by inheritance- Raven wasn't actually drawing the energy from her magic from him in any direct sense. How'd he make her lose them for most of "The End, Part III"? Simple- he ''convinced her'' that he had the ability to block her powers, and since Raven's magic is based on her mental and emotional state, this ''actually created a block'' until she got angry enough to break through it.

== Slade is [[All -Star Batman and Robin The Boy Wonder|Crazy Steve]]. ==

* Raven is Trigon's daughter. Even if she didn't exploit that for tribute money, surely there were some valuable artifacts she took from Azarath with her to hawk.

* Starfire is princess and heir to the Tamaranian throne. With Robins scientific mind he is able to help her gain earth's wealth in exchange for any metallic currency from her homeworld.

* Beast Boy is heir to Dayton Estates. Though despite that it seems he'd rather mooch off of the other Teammates for more than just pizza money.

* Alternately, Trigon looked into the future and knew where his daughter would be, then transported some cultists from somewhere else (Europe? Egypt?) there to build the temple and conceal it.

1. Her quasi-demonic metabolism is incredibly efficient. An apple a day may just be enough to do it for her.

2. She has to consume something gross or disturbing; if she's got to chug a pint of fresh blood or somesuch a day in order to meet her body's requirements, no wonder she doesn't do it in public (or on-screen).

3. She's not just [[The Empath]], she actually feeds on emotion. In that case, just being around people (and while she's a loner by nature, she ''does'' live in a building with four other teens whom she is certainly going to encounter even if they don't have a mission that day) is enough to keep her energized.

4. She doesn't actually eat anything different than a mortal girl would, and we just don't see her at it because she ''doesn't'' eat a lot (like Beast Boy and Cyborg) or eat very strange things (like Starfire).

An [[Oh Crap]] later, the H.I.V.E. hires a very capable mercenary calling himself Ravager (Grant Wilson) to kill the Titans. This brings Blood to start disposing of the H.I.V.E. council for endangering the daughter of Trigon (the headmistress will survive, having caught on what was happening and quitting), while Ravager is [[Finger -Poke of Doom]]-ed to death by Starfire.

{{quote| '''Raven:''' Evil beware. We have waffles.}}

The Locrix that they were fighting in "''Troq''" were said to be robots who considered themselves superior to "organics". This implies a sense of hate or some sort of emotion that leads them to dislike organics - it wouldn't be the first time that a robot in the DCU felt emotions - so maybe Val-Yor is a Locrix who maybe developed more emotion than the others. Val-Yor differed in appearance to them, but he had silvery skin and red eyes (which could shoot lasers), so maybe he's a different model - maybe because he was meant to be more advanced than the others. Maybe he was built to be a leader of the Locrix [[AIA.I. Is a Crapshoot|but they made him too advanced]] and [[Turned Against Their Masters|he decided he wanted to turn on them]].

"Bad Luck" isn't exactly as constraining as some of the other powers on the [[Bad Powers, Bad People]] page, especially since she can control it, unlike say Black Cat from [[Spider -Man]]. Theoretically this means she can beat just about anyone, as ''anything'' not going right for a character (powers not working, accidental injury, unintentional slip-ups) can theoretically fall under bad luck for them--meeting the only requirement for her powers to work. We're lucky she never realized this when evil...