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* Here's the thing: how did they find ''her'' before, when she was being analyzed by the Anti-Spirals? Perceptual dimensional teleportation ''using the wedding ring as the target''. The one thing Nia leaves Simon before fading away is the wedding ring. It's almost as though she's flat-out telling him that they can find each other, wherever they are, no matter what happens. Depending on the way you look at the wedding, this can either make for a happy ending for the couple where he can find her wherever she is (or, dare I say, vice-versa), or it can give more impact to when Simon gave up his core drill (and therefore his handy/only access to perceptual teleportation via Lagann -- cementingLagann—cementing his "The dead would just get in our way," claim). Is his one spiral eye in the distant ending a delayed manifestation of his massive overdose on Spiral Energy in the final battle? Is it just a sign that he's embraced the use of spiral power in moderation, perhaps to visit his beloved? Does it mean he's rejected immortality? Or that he's shared half of his immortal life with Nia? Or is it because he no longer needs a focusing tool (the core drill) to tap into the more advanced uses of Spiral Energy i.e. dimensional teleportation/time travel/the impossible? Listen up, tropers. ''You'' be the judge, and don't let the claims of others get you down! In the end, yours is the only interpretation that matters. Believe in the ending that you believe in!

* The obvious trigger of his action is {{spoiler|[[Love Makes You Crazy|Nia's death]]}}. How can he give up his power and authority now -- nownow—now that only he can set things right! Even if it means amassing enough mass and energy to risk the gravitational collapse of the universe. Even if it means leading the Dai-Gurren-Dan into war with every living being. [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|NOTHING is impossible to the truly audacious!]]

** Then again, [[Humans Are the Real Monsters|Humans Are Bastards]]...

* This is supported by Parallel Works 8, where we see where they come from explicitly -- theyexplicitly—they're dropped from the sky during an Anti-Spiral attack, allowing Lord Genome to find one.

* Your citations of [[Calling Your Attacks]] fail to take into account that despite ''Lagann Impact'' being the full name of the other big attack used in that battle, it too failed. [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|Depressing]] though it may be that the [[Rule of Cool]] failed in that aspect, it also worked out - Lord Genome blocked it by grabbing it and subsequently detonating the Rasengan's arm. Hmmm …¦

Post-timeskip, we see that humanity keeps expanding without limit, much like a virus; the persecution of the beastmen that follows shows their intolerance. That may have been the tip of the iceberg as far as humanity's conquests went, and they possibly left hundreds or thousands of worlds barren or burning and their inhabitants dead or enslaved simply because they believed they could go anywhere and do anything - much like the Imperium of the [[Warhammer 40000]] universe. The Anti-Spirals may be [[Sufficiently Advanced Alien|Sufficiently Advanced Aliens]]s that have watched humans from the beginning of their prehistory and hoped they would learn tolerance, self-control, and moderation; when they could no longer bear to see world after world be conquered, they decided to intervene. The downside was that confinement and despair only made humans more aggressive, and now they may spread farther and more ruthlessly simply to avoid being confined again.

Judging by the general tone and theme of the series, there must be a missing scene in which Kamina comes back from the dead (after [[Chess with Death|the most epic game of chess]] '''EVER'''), punches Simon, and tells him to go [[Beyond the Impossible]] and save Nia, leading to an epic quest for several mystical [[MacGuffin|MacGuffins]]s for reasons of that's just what needs to be done. Presumably, this would end in an epic battle involving mechas the size of universes. What we see post- [[Time Skip]] occurs after all of this; Simon is clearly just a [[Retired Badass]] and not a hobo.

== The three kids piloting the Ganmen that make up Gurren Lagann in Parallel Works 6 are: ==

== The Spiral Nemesis that the Anti-Spirals feared was the inevitable result of all the [[Epileptic Tree|Epileptic Trees]]s being planted from the show ''[[Lost]]'' achieving critical mass and causing the collapse of the universe ==

Elaborating on the above theory, the TTGL universe takes place after the Disgaea bad ending where Laharl leaves the throne to Etna to [[Walk the Earth]]. Complications lead her and some survivors to flee to earth -- whichearth—which she covers up with the whole "weapons cache" story to avoid admitting to Kamina/Laharl that she totally screwed the pooch on running the Netherworld in his place. As for why she and Kami/Harl didn't recognize each other upon meeting again, either she didn't immediately recognize him due to age (can ''you'' imagine Laharl at a height above five feet? Neither could she), or she did and just kept it to herself for some reason.//

In 1979 Yoshiyuki Tomino published a trilogy of novels based adapting the [[Mobile Suit Gundam]] series. Written ''before'' the franchise achieved its meteoric success, the novels were highly divergent from either the broadcast or theatrical version, and feature a unique "closed ending" in that the main character is accidentally killed partway into the 3rd novel-- droppingnovel—dropping his unfinished mission squarely in the laps of his friends and enemies.

* Well, Spiral Power runs on hotbloodedness and gives the user [[Charles Atlas Superpower|Charles Atlas Superpowers]]s, while The Force runs on meditation and gives the user psionic talents instead. Isn't that a contrast?

* Its basic mechanics of spiral energy. If you think its impossible, your negativism will prevent you from generating sufficient spiral energy to force reality to bend to your will. Believe you can hard enough,<ref>while making constipated faces</ref>, and you'll generate the spiral power to do it. If its an aesop, its a [[Fantastic Aesop]], as Spiral Energy isn't real.

* Perhaps it was just cold that night?<ref> You know, cold air = hard nipples, hard nipples could hold up the bikini top. Yeah, I know, don't explain the joke.</ref>

* Alternatively, TTGL is actually what Nietzsche said. Spiral Energy is another name for Will to Power. Existential themes run during the series (WHO THE '''HELL DO YOU THINK I AM'''?!) and of course, the [[Ubermensch]] is no other than Kamina, who is a [[Messianic Archetype|Messianic]] [[Large Ham]] who lives by his own moral code and believes in individual willpower (again, the previous quote) over faith (such as bursting into anger after seeing people worshipping a Ganmen). On the other hand, the Anti-Spirals are [[Nietzsche Wannabe|Nietzsche Wannabes]]s. They promoted mass nihilism by forcing themselves into a [[Hive Mind]], killing Spiral Races, and putting the survivors into angst and meaningless existence.

Spiral Energy is the power of evolution, and evolution is achieved through procreation, and the Anti-Spirals feared this will lead to the destruction of the universe through mass reproduction. We have the same situation: we evolve through reproduction, but our over-reproduction will lead to resources being exhausted and Earth being turned into a [[Crapsack World]] where people are beginning to fight each other for oil/living space/what-have-you. It isn't evolution that the Anti-Spirals feared, but ''procreation'', which is required to evolve naturally, and since procreation will lead to the Universe being turned into a Crapsack Universe where resources are scarce and people always have to fight each other for more space, the Anti-Spirals used transhumanism (artificial evolution) to sterilize themselves and force themselves into an [[Assimilation Plot]]. Of course, the standard Spiralist response to Malthusianism is "instead of [[Wangst|wangstingwangst]]ing all the time about overpopulation, why not try to discover more living space, like alternate universes out there, like we did during the age of expansion?"

That "Spiral Nemesis" the Anti-Spirals were worried about? ''It happened once before''; a [[Megas XLR|fat lunatic dropout piloting a mech with a Chevy for a head did it to defeat slug aliens]] and then '''demolished it''', creating in its place a new, awesome universe in which the [[Rule of Cool]] [[Hand Wave|Hand Waved]]d [[Mohs Scale of Science Fiction Hardness|the laws of physics]]. They then went on their crusade for "Absolute Despair" not out of concern for the universe, but out of jealous rage - they'd never be that awesome, so the only way they could justify their dismal existence was if they [[Hannibal Lecture|Hannibal Lectured]]d the rest of the universe into being lame.

Think about it. If the Anti-Spirals are really out to protect the universe from the Spiral Nemesis, why are they so bent on the ultimate extermination of all Spirals? Why are they so bent on torturing others to despair and death? Why have they become [[Those Who Fight Monsters]]? If they kill off all the Spirals, they'll be the only ones left. Also, Notice how they have absolutely no proof about Spiral Nemesis or that Spiral Power is dangerous, and if they're really cosmic entities then they should realize that in scientific measurements the universe is infinite and expanding (Dark Energy), the universe will always have room for more Spiral Power and if that's not enough, they can spread it onto the black seas of infinity outside the universe. They're using the Spiral Nemesis as an excuse; they simply want to [[Kill'Em All]] because they're [[Fantastic Racism|Fantastic Racists]]. They're [[With Great Power Comes Great Insanity|deranged]] [[Hypocrite|hypocriteshypocrite]]s who latched on to an unproven theory, not to protect the universe, but solely because they have no desire beyond [[Omnicidal Maniac|killing every last "inferior" Spiral species]]. They're [[The Sociopath|sociopathic]] [[Complete Monster|monsters]] who are merely trying to rationalize their cruelty and selfishness, merely because [[Put Them All Out of My Misery|they view every other lifeform as a disgusting disease]].

* Consider what happened to the other Team Dai-Gurren pilots, and what we see of them. Zorthy's cockpit slowly caves in on him as it's crushed. Iraak and Kidd charge their outgunned Space Ganmen at the Anti-Spiral fleet before they fade to white. Makken cuts to an external view of his Moshogun before it impacts the Anti-Spiral missile. All of these are animated in the series' normal style. Only Jorgun and Balinbow have a stylistically unique death scene in that episode. It's rendered in black and white, with their features drawn in a harsh, sketchy style that eventually gives way to a growing white. Notably, this is visually similar to those who died due to a Spiral Energy based attack for one reason or another. It's probably a safe assumption that the twins manifested some kind of Spiral Energy as their Ganmen exploded--unlikeexploded—unlike the rest of their fallen comrades, their Twin Bokun was the only one that exploded so dramatically that it visibly wiped out a considerable number of Anti-Spiral 'fighters.' It's possible that they somehow channeled the impending destruction of their own Ganmen into an explosive release of Spiral Energy, destroying themselves and everything around them to save Darry and Gimmy from further Anti-Spiral pursuit.

* We're currently experiencing one lifetime out of many. This not only explains dreams--subconsciousdreams—subconscious slips into other possible dimensions--butdimensions—but also the belief in reincarnation. It's not reincarnating in the traditional definition, it's just experiencing another labyrinth illusion. Humans ''are'' a Spiral race, and our ability to perceive such things is already known. We can't escape as readily as Team Dai-Gurren did, because we've inadvertently ended up regarding the very things that would save us as foolish and unlikely, and relegated them to the land of fiction.

In conclusion: The true ending to the series is [[Downer Ending|Nia getting deleted; the Dai-Gurren Dan dying from starvation, dehydration, or something to that effect; and the population of the Earth getting whipped out.]] [[The Villain Wins|The Anti-Spirals won.]] The universe is still under there control. <ref>I'm not saying that what happened in Simon's ML isn't possible, mind you. After all, the ML is just possibilities. Everything that happens in there could have happened.</ref>

Spiral Nemesis? Doesn't exist, Spiral Power isn't remotely dangerous. Why did the Anti-Spiral lie? Simple: They were [[Complete Monster|Complete Monsters]]s who were obsessed with the universe and wanted it all to themselves, and they didn't want any pesky evolving Spiral races to get in the way of their forbidden love (Notice how they have absolutely no proof about Spiral Nemesis or that Spiral Power is dangerous, see also: Dark energy). Nia? Human, not an Anti-Spiral lifeform at all. The Anti-Spiral simply chose to brainwash her because she was the person closest to Simon, and since Simon was the biggest threat to the Anti-Spiral, it wanted to cause him '''''ABSOLUTE DESPAIR'''''. Nia fading away? That wasn't her dying. The Anti-Spiral was [[Not Quite Dead]] and brought her back to him so he could hold her hostage. Why? Because he knows Simon will try and save her, and when he does the Anti-Spiral can get [[Revenge]]. But since Simon was making love to the [[Idiot Ball]] that day, he decided "NOPE NIA'S DEAD LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU". And so he never goes and saves her, or does he?

== Grand Unified Guess: Conversely, the ranks of famous Spiral Warriors throughout history include: ==

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