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• 459. Negabomb's about to destroy the planet. Couple episodes ago Hulk threw The Leader's gamma tower thing very far into space. Here, he just stands there and says "Hmph. Bet I'll survive." Leaving Marvel, Iron Man, and Thor to take care of the bomb.
  • The Hulk is a jerk.
  • In all's fairness no one knew Marvel was unhooking the bomb and was going to throw it into space. By the time anyone knew what was happening Marvel already took off with the bomb.
• Ok, I get shrinking the supervillains so they're easier to keep in custody, that makes perfect sense... But WHY SHRINK THE PRISON TOO, if it can suddenly go large and destroy the whole Helicarrier? Couldn't they, you know, build a tiny prison which didn't need shrinking?
  • It's a lot easier to build something normal size and then shrink it than to manufacture things--things that work--on a microscopic level.
    • But Hank already had the Ultron robots. You're telling me he couldn't shrink the Ultrons and have them build a functioning jail at a micro level? And jeez, the Avengers and S.H.I.E.L.D. BOTH have access to Reed Richards, and HE has gone all the way down to the friggin' MICROVERSE.
    • When something shrinks because of the Pym Particles, it retains its strength and properties it would have when it was full sized. Shrinking a regular-sized prison means that the shrunken prison is as strong as it ever was. Building a prison that small to start with means it's going to be as strong as a miniature prison--and be filled with people as strong as they were at full size.
• It bugs me how much this show loves the Badass Normal trope. Ok, yes, when you have Thor and Hulk on the same team you have to go out of your way to show that these guys without powers are still useful, but Cap taking on all of the Avengers, Black Panther taking on all of the Avengers, Hawkeye evading all of the Avengers(not to mention taking down the Hulk with Black Widow), and Abomination being taken down by Zemo, it all seems a little much.
  • Well, most of them are used to fighting super-powered enemies who try to muscle through confrontations while a Badass Normal must rely on speed, skill, and misdirection. Furthermore a Badass Normal is (usually) used to fighing several enemies at once while the Avengers aren't really trained to work and fight as a unit. Furthermore it may be a subtle suggestion that Muggles Do It Better and hard work and training are superior to actual superpowers. I'm not saying that this actually makes any sense, but it may explain the reasoning behind it.
  • Also, none of them really count as full-on knockdown fights. The Superpowers never really got a chance to unload on them:
    • Zemo didn't actually fight Abomination, merely tripped him when he wasn't paying attention and held a sword to his throat to reinforce his authority. And that may still have escalated further if the backup Avengers hadn't attacked right then.
    • Cap took on the Avengers who were mostly just trying to talk him down rather than fight him.
    • Black Panther stopped fighting as soon as it started to really escalate, proving to himself that they would be capable of helping him.
    • Hawkeye evaded the Avengers, which is considerably easier than fighting them all at once. Even so, he's been shown to be able to take on more powerful opponents with his arrows.
    • Hawkeye beat Hulk because Hulk was distracted by the task of saving the asses of Hawkeye's own crew. Not to mention the fact that Hawkeye and Widow are ranged fighters, meaning they have the distinct advantage of being able to fight Hulk without having to be near Hulk.
• If Baron Zemo knew that the Hulk had rejoined the Avengers, how come he didn't know about Black Panther and Hawkeye? And why didn't the Abomination bring that up sooner?
  • Perhaps deliberately faulty information from Loki? After all, they were just chess pieces being put into position.
  • Maybe he didn't even knew Hulk left, he was just forming a team for his plan, it didn't look like he took the time to check once in a while if anything had changed to make alterastions to his plan.

• Combined The Avengers have more than enough power to spank S.H.I.E.L.D. like naughty children and yet they let Nick Fury boss and bully them around. I know both sides are supposed to be Lawful Good, but come on. This really irked me in the end of "The Widow's Sting" when Hawkeye requested to speak to Mockingbird and Fury denied him witha curt "Dismissed." Hawkeye does not work for him, he does not have the power to Dismiss him especially when Iron Man has the ability to slice the entire helicarrier in half with a flik of his wrist. I guess this bothers me because back in the day the Avengers were largely considered mavericks who went where they wanted and did what they thought was needed, S.H.I.E.L.D. or anyone else be dammed.
  • Hawkeye, if you'll recall, was a SHIELD agent, so he's used to deferring to Fury to his face, even if he plans on doing something different later. As for the rest of the Avengers, with 74 supervillains lose, HYDRA, AIM, and the Masters of Evil out there, and Odin knows what else, they probably don't want to pick fights with a powerful group of allies, even if they don't particularly like them.
  • Divide and Conquer, anyone? even if they can beat S.H.I.E.L.D. without too much effort, they may lose a member. Sure, Hulk and Thor might be able to take it, but what about the Badass Normals? I'm sure Black Panther, Hawkeye and Cap would suffer severe damage if they face too many soldiers, Iron Man's shrapnel could get damaged, the Wasp and Pym could get crushed while being shrunk, ergo two heroes with granted survival. And who is to say the other organizations don't have spies? S.H.I.E.L.D. is defeated, the Avengers are weakened, one member of A.I.M or HYDRA disguised notifies of the situation to his or her organization and Hell breaks loose.
  • Not to mention that unlike in the comic books where the Avengers are practically family, the heroes in the show are a bunch of super powered people thrown together with clashing identities. Even if some of them want to take on S.H.I.E.L.D., what about the others. Iron Man and the Hulk are maybes but unlikely, due to Iron Man's identity being know by everyone and while the Hulk might be willing, he's already been hunted for years so it's not a preferable situation. Thor might be willing if only because he would think its a contest of might who would win the day and doesn't really care or understand politics or technology. Captain America would probably not fight S.H.I.E.L.D. unless they attacked first, Black Panther could just leave if it ever came to a big fight, Hawkeye while he might be angry at S.H.I.E.L.D. he was an agent and fought along side a lot of those that are still members. Wasp is all about fighting bad guys and if S.H.I.E.L.D. became that she probably would fight but that would cause problems of its own do to her being a minor celebrity. And lastly Hank, Hank barely wants to fight super villains much less 'good guys' however debatable the term is, if it came down to fighting he would probably just try to settle things down between the two sides until someone got hurt and he would either get them to safety or go wild. All in all not likely to happen.
  • Also, S.H.I.E.L.D. is a legitimate law enforcement agency. Independent vigilantes seeking to clean up the town don't go after the sheriff unless he is actively corrupt, which S.H.I.E.L.D. is not. Officious, bureaucratic and really annoying, yes. Corrupt, no.
• Wasps wings during "Gamma world" and the space episode. Do those thing just stick on to the suits, cause it looked like they were coming from inside them.
  • In the comics they were cybernetic implants, even if she is a mutant here the wings could still be artificial.
• In Gamma World when Absorbing Man took on the properties of the metal in Thor's hammer, Thor was able to manipulate AM just as he does with Mjolnir, but that shouldn't have happened unless Absorbing Man also absorbed the magical enchantments in Mjolnir and not just the metal.
  • I had the impression that's exactly what happened. Do his powers not work that way normally or something, because otherwise, I don't see the issue.
  • Mjolnir's made out of uru, an inherently magical Asgardian metal. So yea, that's what happened.
    • Uru isn't inherntly magical, it's just an ideal material for magic use. All of Mjolnir's powers come from enchantment not simply by virtue of being Uru.
    • Maybe AM absorbed the enchantments too.
  • I believe when Hulk and Absorbing Man first met, AM absorbed Hulk's gamma strength, but it was only temporary. He lost the strength while holding a big rock over his head. So, there is some basis of getting secondary abilities when absorbing something.
  • Also, Absorbing Man's powers were given to him by Loki, so they're, when all's said and done, magical in nature. Also, Mjolnir's enchantment's might give it some kind of sentience and it transferred its enchantments to AM so Thor could have an extra edge against him in battle.
• Why did they stop at around episode 8 in UK? :(
  • And why is Meet Captain America not on the Region 2 version of volume 1?
• Kang's story opens up some Timey-Wimey Ball issues:
  • Captain America getting frozen isn't the result of Time Travel. Therefore, how did a timeline in which he didn't get frozen exist in the first place?
  • If the events of the present destroyed Kang's reality, then why did it take however-many-years-from-the-future-Kang-is-from to happen? Shouldn't his timeline have just gotten erased out as soon as the timeline-altering event happened?
  • The only ways I can imagine this whole plot making any sense whatsoever are either a Stable Time Loop (in which Cap always gets frozen, the Earth always gets decimated, Kang always rises to power sometime later, and he then always travels back to our time), or simply multiple universes that never shared timelines at all (where Kang is from one with no Capsicle). The former is almost certainly not going to be the case, given what it would lead to. And if it's the latter, then why did Kang's universe get "erased"?
  • In episode 21 Captain America ends up touching the cosmic cube and (probably accidentally) alters reality so that Bucky didn't die, a comment on a YouTube upload of the episode suggests that THIS could be what erased Kang's timeline.
    • Which does exactly jack diddly squat to answer any of the above questions.
  • And now in episode 26, Captain America has been replaced by a Skrull. I'm guessing THAT'S his betrayal.
    • But again, that's not the result of time travel, so how could a universe where that didn't happen exist to begin with?
      • According to Chaos theory, any and anything that happened after Kang showed up is the result of time travel. Which includes Cap touching the cosmic cube and Cap getting replaced by Skrulls. And Ultron. Perhaps until the Kang invasion, Cap never stepped up and took control of the Avengers, or never proved himself a powerful enough hero to deserve getting replaced by a Skrull. Or it could have something to do with his decision to weaponize Ultron. Keep in mind, Kang isn't omniscient either, so he could know it was a choice of Cap's in the present day that altered the timeline without knowing that Cap's survival to the present day wasn't the result of time shenanigans.
  • 1: Time Travel in Marvel relies on the Multiverse method, in that each act of time travel creates alternate timelines. Thus it's actually impossible for Kang to change the past of his own timeline, and it's impossible for the Avengers to change the past of the destroyed Earth that Kang took them to. All they can do is make sure that THEIR timeline doesn't end up being the destroyed world, but said destroyed world will still exist regardless 2: Kang knows all of this, and has frequently used this fact to his advantage. Every time he travelled back in time, it created an alternate timeline where he DIDN'T. He used to use a little device that, if he got killed in the past, immediately transferred his consciousness to the Kang in the other timeline that never went back in time. Since this show seems to be playing fairly straight with the Marvel Universe, it's likely that Kang is just lying in an effort to divide the Avengers to make them easier to conquer. It's what he does. 3: Kang stories always make your head hurt. Just go with the flow.
    • That's Time Travel in the Marvel comics universe. We can't assume that time travel would work exactly the same here, especially when the show has already shown us a Delayed Ripple Effect, something that directly contradicts the alternate timeline theory.
• Every Kang story ever told has "some Timey-Wimey Ball issues". In the comics, it's much more complicated, with vast numbers of alternate Kangs, including one version (Immortus) who's the the Arch Enemy of all the other Kangs. Oh, and he's descendant of both Reed Richards and Doctor Doom, and played a role in the origin of Apocalypse. You can't do a Kang story without time travel weirdness, since it's what defines his character(s).
• Little bit of fridge horror here that isn't too hard to figure out; when fighting Kang's invasion force, the Avengers target the parts of the ships keeping them in this time period, sending them back into their timeline. Their timeline no longer exists. Now, personally I'm not against superheroes killing, especially in a war situation, but I can understand a kid show avoiding it. Still. This seems like a particularly horrific fate for the kids smart enough to figure out what's happening.
  • I know, isn't it? The fridge hit me right after Wasp blew up the first temporal anchor. Yes, the Kid Appeal Character wiped someone out of existence with glee, how do you like that for a Disney show? And here some were worried Marvel would kiddied up because of the buy-out.
  • YMMV. Getting blipped out of existence seems like one of the quickest and most painless ways to go.
    • They don't actually seem to know this at this point. Yeah Kang ranted at them and showed them the future but they don't seem to fully understand exactly what happened until Wasp finds about about Ravona and tells everyone.
      • All Kang did was show them that 10 years into their future the planet would be destroyed.
        • If writers, and Avengers (and Reed) won't forget about the whole Purple Head Invader issue, there is a possiblity that said issue may be resolved the by restoring Kang's timeline somehow. I mean, if the reason why his timeline was erased, will be removed. Then both Kang, and his soldiers that erm were wiped out of existence, will return back to their time and won't even remember that they died. That's what happend in JLU once. And wasn't Kang trying to save his beloved?
• Do the comics ever explain those times when Hank's Ant-Man helmet appears out of nowhere?
  • Nothing canon yet, but it's probably a further advancement of the alternating helmet. Both Hank (in Thor the Mighty Avenger) and Eric O'Grady (at least in the current Secret Avengers) can change the size and shape of the helmet depending on the costume/need for it. Combined with the usage of Pym Particles, it wouldn't be too hard for him to just compress/shrink it away from his head when necessary, while still having it stored in the cowl or collar of his suit.
  • If you watch closely it actually folds out of the earpieces on his Giant Man suit.
    • I watched "Some Assembly Required" again, and they show this in action.
• Maria Hill. She just...well, let's let this YouTube comment from the latest episode sum it up.

We've got all sorts of problems with incredibly powerful criminal organizations, they're active war with each other and don't give a damn about collateral damage... I know! Let's alienate the one team who have a realistic chance of stopping them! Fury, what were you thinking leaving that dumb bint in charge?

• • If they weren't dead set on ignoring her attempts to get them to work with her, they wouldn't be alienated. So she wants to take charge of the situation, big froopin doop. You could be taking her orders instead of standing there arguing with her and the end result - the stopping of the villains - would be the same.
  • She was trying to arrest them. In the middle of a Hydra invasion. And focused on catching them rather than stopping the bad guys.
  • "I'm putting this entire city on lockdown. Including the Avengers." and "Unless you join SHIELD right here and now, you're criminals as well." It's all on Tony. He could have chosen to play her little game and leave when things were back to normal. She could have been doing other things, but if Tony had any amount of common sense he wouldn't have just antagonized her.
    • To me she's the type who'd hold them to it. For her, it's all Black And White. You're either a SHIELD Agent, or you're just another criminal. Tony knows the red tape would hinder the Avengers, not to mention the potential for leaks. As for antagonizing her, he points out the war raging around them, nothing more. It's basically a duel between "Screw the Rules, I'm Doing What's Right!" and "Screw What's Right, I'm Following The Rules!".
    • If you're going to be a criminal either way (in the eyes of Miss Hill anyway), why not wait until after the current crisis is over to be a criminal. Once MODOC and the Baron had been dealt with with the help of SHIELD the team could've gone AWOL once that's done.
      • If they had agreed to join SHIELD then reneged on it, there would be worse consequences than not joining. SHIELD would have access to all their tech and information. They also would have been treated as worse criminals than before; they would be traitors. Military and SHIELD are held to a higher standard with stricter punishments than civilians. As vigilantes, they have more freedom to do things than SHIELD. That's probably the main reason Fury allowed them to be a team without too much argument. He knew there would be an operation he couldn't do himself and would need a scapegoat. He did it before with Hawkeye in Widow's Sting. With the right words, he can convince one of the Avengers to go rogue while taking a few other members with him. Complete plausible deniability.
        • SHIELD wouldn't have had time to get access to all of the Avengers' tech, if Iron Man just "joined" at that point then quit the instant Hydra and AIM were dealt with.
    • Also there is the entire "SHIELD Stole Iron Man Technology, oh and Hydra got it too." thing.
    • Not to mention she's forcing them to join when there's a bigger problem happening. I understand her view but there is a time and place for that.
    • Besides being a rehash of her view during Civil War, it seems they've also liberally mixed in a bit of Henry Peter Gyrich into this interpretation of Hill, or at least in her choice of threats. He spent decades using security clearance or criminalization as carrots on a string to try and force the Avengers into doing things his way, with mixed results and a shitload of resentment from both sides, especially when he decided to throw his weight around in the middle of ongoing conflicts.
    • All of that is semantics. Tony needlessly antagonizing her did nothing to solve the problem and the Avengers could have certainly used the help. Again, yes they were in the middle of a conflict, but if he had gone along with her plan they could have worked together with SHIELD until after MODOC and the Baron were taken care of and then said "Hey, you know how I said I would join you? Well, I had my fingers crossed. See ya!"
      • TONY needlessly antagonized HER? It's the other way around, if you ask me.
    • Tony doesn't even want to deal with her, notice how he blows her off and flies off the SECOND he has "minimal power"
    • Yes, that's the part where it's all on him and not on Hill.
    • Having just watched the episode, I can say that it's Hill's fault with out a shadow of a doubt. The Avengers are off actually fighting HYDRA and AIM, and all she wants to do is take more power for herself. Tony was perfectly right to run off, Hill was just being a confrontational, power hungry ass hole. In fact, if she didn't try to arrest them, The Avengers probably would have at least begrudgingly worked with her. But instead, she had to be in charge of everything and tell them to do everything they said, or be arrested for saving the world on a daily basis. So all in all, every last thing is on hill.
    • Exactly! Like I said above she Lawful Stupid and has black and white view on things. She won't bend the rules for any reason. And that is her weakness, for the worst villains never follow the rules.
    • Again, no. While it is true that Hill could have been doing better things with her time it's entirely Tony's fault that she's hostile towards them, because he refused to help her. And God forbid that she should do something to unreasonable as want people like Hulk, who in addition to being the strongest person in the world, has expressed a willingness to eat people, should need to be answerable to someone. So Hill shows up in the middle of a crisis and says "Hey, Tony. Join SHIELD or you're a criminal." and Tony says "Well, even though I could definitely use SHIELD's help in dealing with MODOC and co. I'm going to thumb my nose at them and go off and do my own thing instead of pretending to go along with her until after the crisis, at which point I can leave. After all, if I'm going to be a criminal either way, I might as well wait until after the bad guy war is over."
      In summary, yes Hill is a bitch, but she is in no way at fault for her hostility towards the Avengers. That would be Tony's bag. But you're totally right that Hill is wrong for wanting to be in control of the situation. After all, it's not like she's the head of the largest peace keeping organization in the world. Oh wait, she is isn't she? So I guess she does have the right to want to be in control.
    • My point is, It's Hill's fault for the way she approached the situation. She doesn't need to threaten the avengers, or have them on SHIELD, but she does anyway. Tony leaves because she already hates him, and has tried to arrest him for stopping HYDRA in the past. I mean, Nick Fury could be an asshole, but he know when it was best for Avengers to do it themselves. And no, she doesn't have a right to be in control. She'd done jack crap when shee could have made this join or die thing later, which is why she's wrong in this situation. If she made the offer afterward, then she has some ground: "I just saved you from HYDRA, now you owe me."
  • To the above: Hill wasn't asking for help, she was demanding obidience ("Join SHIELD or you're a criminal" is NOT 'asking for help'). Iron Man was quite rightly taking the view of 'we don't have time for this' and his attempts to point this out fell on deaf ears. Hill's want to be in control resulted in her attacking the heroes, leaving Hydra and AIM (y'know, the bad guys fighting each other, destroying the city in the process) to their own devices. She's either a HYDRA Agent, a Skrull, or a moron. Take your pick.
    • That was the point if my entire argument. And she's a moron.
    • The point of the matter is, Tony knew that if he had gone along with Maria Hill, he could have gotten the job done alot sooner, without having SHIELD attack them. As I've pointed out numerous times now, he could have left SHIELD after the crisis and been none the worse for wear. But he instead chose to ignore Hill's attempts to take control of the situation, which directly resulted in SHIELD attacking him, which he knew would happen if he did refuse her demands. Which wouldn't have happened if he had gone along with Miss Hill, just the opposite in fact, he would have had SHIELD's help in dealing with the situation. Yes, Maria could have been doing something better with her time, but given the choice between fighting the Baron and Advanced Idea Mechanics in addition to SHIELD and fighting those two with SHIELD's help, Tony chose the former, knowing full well what would happen if he did. Long and short of it is, no matter how much you try and pin this on Maria, IT'S TONY'S FAULT.
      • You're forgetting that Maria wanted Tony in cell on the helecarrier pretty much since episode one, and I mean the very first micro episode. Why does she seem to hate him so much? We're really not sure but a lot of it may have to do with the fact that until very recently in the series Tony was SHIELD's main weapons supplier until it was found out that SHIELD was doing a pretty piss-poor job at keeping his tech out of bad guy hands at which point he ends his contracts and reclaims most of the tech he gave to him. He also did this to the United States military too with the exception of the Hulkbuster designs. Basically she's mad because Tony took back the toys she was playing with so now she's going to throw a fit and do everything she can to stand in his way regardless of the fact (or even perhaps because of it) that Tony and the Avengers are far more effective than SHIELD, due in no small part to the fact that the Avengers have access to Tony's insanely advanced technology. Tony even calls her on it, if she would shut the fuck up and let the Avengers work rather than wasting everyone's time and resources trying to pick a fight with them they could all go home a lot sooner. This isn't to say that Tony isn't being a jerk about it, but he's also absolutely right at the same time.
    • TL;DR she's acting like he's a criminal because he broke binding legal contracts and stole back the stuff he sold to them. Making him an actual criminal. And she has the gall to treat him like what he is? GASPSHOCKSWOON!!!
    • Knowing Tony there's probably fine print stating that he can pull out and reclaim his tech whenever he likes.
    • There's nothing to remotely substantiate this.
    • My problem is that Hill decides that in the middle of a battle that can destroy New York, and everyone inside, she decides to piss off the only people who can help. She should have waited until is was over, when she could say "I saved you, you owe me." That's still kind of annoying, but more sensible. DURING the invasion, that's just being stupid. Also, No, Tony couldn't just join and leave. Then she'd try to put up some sort of man hunt and try to kill them every single day.
    • She's going to do that anyway, why should joining for the crisis and leaving afterward be any different? Still Tony's fault. My final word on the subject is that no matter what, while Maria isn't totally free from blame, it's still and always largely Tony's fault.
    • I still don't understand that logic. So it's Tony's fault for not lying, a lie that could eventually lead to legal needless repercussions. Not to mention that given how badly sorted out her priorities are, she could had kept taking advantage of the situation and ask for a few things like access to all Stark tech so some of the soldiers would take iron man suits and fight HYDRA and AIM. Why didn't Tony led his team be lead by SHIELD? same can be said as why did the avengers had to agree to a long term contract to be allowed to save the world? If the implications were just to lead the team, then it could be blamed on Tony. Also your last sentence sound like "I'm right because I said so".
    • My problem, isn't the ACT that she pulled, but the TIMING. She has sensible motivation, and I agree there should at least be tabs on the Avengers now that they have they have Hulk, I just think she should have helped during the crisis, and then told them her ultimatum. I'm not saying Tony isn't a grade a asshole during the conversation, but he's got more ground than she does. I side with him because he's actually doing something. I'm saying she's more to blame than Tony. That's all.
      • That's just Hill. It how she was in the comics at first too. A combination of getting to know heroes that started working with the government, and how much of a disaster the Registration Act inadvertently caused, plus seeing the dark side of politics would eventually get her to do a full reversal to the point that she's currently a full member of the Avengers. It's only jarring because she's a recent addition to the comics and the Avengers operated for years in the comics before she showed up but they threw her in here right away.
  • Is it at all possible that Hill is a Skrull? Cuz that would explain a lot.
• Hulk. His whining about how people see him as a monster was on incredibly thin ice to start with. How does an admission of willingness to eat someone help that image? And yet he still acts like they are completely baseless Jerk Asses for thinking he could do with looking after just in case he goes on a rampage and starts, you know, eating people like he admitted he would if he were angry enough(and Hulk is ALWAYS angry).
  • The Hulk is a jerk.
    • The Hulk is a jerk but the show seems to be trying to paint him as an innocent little green lamb who's just misunderstood and is really a great guy and anyone who says otherwise is a Complete Monster for thinking that Hulk, the ultimate standard of morality, is anything less than that.
    • I think that's seriously overstating the matter. Hulk is mostly trying to do the right thing, and the show does make the point that he should be allowed to do that and not be treated as a mindless monster, but he's still got a huge temper and rarely shows compassion or empathy for someone else without prompting (whether from another character or internally from Banner).
    • The part about the Complete Monsters and the innocent green lamb was an intentional exaggeration, yes, but that's the thing. Hulk acts like he's the victim when people see him as the monster he plainly is.
    • He is literally the personification of a man's pure rage at life, the universe, and everything. A well-adjusted, balanced individual who can recognize his own flaws he ain't.
    • He does acknowledge his flaws to an extent; when everyone thinks Thor's been killed by Ultron, Hulk acknowledges that he can't move Mjolnir. He doesn't struggle to move it, doesn't even try. He recognizes and admits that he isn't worthy to pick the hammer up.
      • I thought the Hulk was just making grumpy gus remark to not be bothered. And said remark simply was an offhand reference to Ultimate Hulk (who did eat people)
• What Happened to the Mouse?: Most "extra" heroes have excuses for not being regulars on the show: Mockingbird's with SHIELD, Black Widow's on the lamb, Captain Marvel was Put on a Bus, and Bucky's ultimate fate is unknown after his freezing, but Carol Danvers appeared for an episode, developed powers, and left it at a cliffhanger. Why introduce her and not say anything about her for an entire season? Is she still floating over the hospital bed while the nurses try to pry her down with a broom?
  • According to the producers they wanted to use Ms Marvel in season 2 but found out that nobody outside of comic followers has a clue who she is, so they threw in a quick origin episode for her. But you might as well say the same thing about the Kree empire claiming Earth is their territory and then ignoring it while all the rest of the season stuff happen. In short, it was a set up for season 2 and it will be followed up in season 2. Season 1 had to deal with AIM, Kang, and the Asgard plots that the mini eps set up.
  • It's been confirmed that she'll be joining the team in season 2, BTW.
  • Wait, how could people not know who ms Marvel is? It's not like Cartoon Network didn't have a fairly popular tv show where she was a regular.
    • Go on the street. Ask a person who Captain America is. Then ask about Ms. Marvel. Their answer would probably be "Is that the chick that died in the X-Men movie?" Carol was never in any shows other than a cameo in the X-Men show and the Super Hero Squad show. Compared to all of the other Avengers, who had been in cartoons since the 60's(bar Ant-Man and Wasp, who probably have the exact same problem).
• What's with the show, great as it is with Thor, turning all of Thor's enemies into The Hulk's? I mean, The Wrecking Crew work for the Leader, as does the Absorbing Man. I'm just wondering, is all.
  • They're a team. Can't they share bad guys?
    • It just seems that other than Loki, all of Thor's enemies are the Leader's thugs. Absorbing Man was Loki's henchman in the comics, but here he's a gamma villain. I was really wondering if there was a reason.
      • The Absorbing Man was as much of a Hulk villain as a Thor villain, even if he started out as a Thor villain. And while the Wrecking Crew seems to have been shifted to Gamma Beings in origin on the show, they still seem to be primarily Thor villains.
  • Because they wanted to portray Thor and other Asgardians visiting Earth as relatively new thing, so Thor didn't have much in the way of Earth villains. So they either needed to tweak the Wrecking Crew's origin a little or leave them out of the show for now.
  • Absorbing Man fights the Hulk all the damn time in the comics. He started out fighting Thor, but is better known as a Hulk enemy. And the Wrecking Crew are just thugs with super strength. They fight every hero.
• Another related to Thor. Why does he kind of suck sometimes? I mean, in the comics, he could fight the Hulk at a fifth of his full power, and still took him for two hours straight. And here, Hulk seems to be the strongest, generally making certain characters pointless. What's the point of teaming up with the Avengers when he beat them all by himself?
  • Hulk at least has the weakness of being solely brute force. Against an enemy he can't punch to death, he needs help where as Thor is almost as strong and has his magical abilities as well. As for Thor, that problem has plagued him his entire existence, as on paper he should utterly dominate everything in the Marvel universe that isn't in the God catagory. Generally the idea is that he's always holding back, because his full power would turn New York into a crater and kill all his teammates as well as the villain, and often has difficulty calculating exactly how much of his power will be enough to save the day but keep damage to a minimum.
  • Thor is Superman Cursed with Awesome and has no Green Rocks to worry about and since he cares about those silly mortals and he has freaking area attacks he has to be careful not to Kill Um All.
    • I know, but that's the point. Thor is the strongest being on earth in the comics, but here....he exists solely to Worf so the Hulk can deal with it. On Asgard, awesome as that all was, Thor spent all of it in chains, while Iron Man took out Ulik, and Antman fought Friggin' Ymir! I know Loki Curbstomped them all, but Thor only hit him once. That fight would have been the perfect opportunity to show Thor's full strength. But alas....Hopefully he'll do better next season.
      • I think Thor gave a pretty good showing once he was freed in Asgard. What with Loki having the frigging Odinforce in that fight.
  • You're not the first to notice Thor's deferrence to Hulk Sue in the "beat up bad guys" department, despite his plain superiority. When you're able to destroy planets with ease and easily fight while moving at faster than light speeds, your not going to be experiencing very many difficult fights. So the alternative is to go down so that your less powerful teammates can have a hard time fighting whatever schmuck waves a stick at you on any given day.
  • I think it's being slightly overstated how much Thor worfs to Hulk. The only time I recall a clear showing of superiority by Hulk is when he managed to stand up when Graviton was amping up the g's and Thor didn't. Thor put up a good fight against both Abomination and Absorbing Man at the same time, did equally well against the Kree robot as Hulk, did equally well against Kang as Hulk (even blocking that city destroying blast, which Hulk couldn't do), helped take down the dark elf guy when Hulk was being beaten by the mooks, did much better against Ultron 6 than Hulk (Thor got teleported out of the Ultron 5 fight, not beaten by Ultron), put up a better showing in Asgard than Hulk did (again, Hulk was having trouble with mooks while Tony and Hank were fighting Ulik and Ymir). That being said, the comics usually portray Hulk as being physically stronger than Thor, with Thor outmatching him metaphysically. This isn't a case of Thor being vastly superior to Hulk; when they fight, it's usually fairly even and both have come out on top in the past. I like the show doesn't have one being clearly superior to the other, they play the respectful rivalry between the two rather well.
    • Thor holds back to a fifth of his full power on earth, even against Hulk. Currently, the only thing Physically stronger than Thor is She-Hulk. I know Thor beat down Ultron 6, but Hulk killed Ultron 5 in like, two seconds. Thor had to keep hitting him. But then again, I may have missed it if Ultron 5 couldn't regenerate, so I can grant that one. My main problem is in Assembly required, when Hulk took out the entire team, including Thor. In the 60's Thor wasn't even trying when he took Hulk for two hours straight, and Hulk had to keep getting stronger to fight back. There's also in the fight with Graviton, but I can forgive that, since Thor also picked up all of New York city, and let it float back to the ground. But on Asgard, Antman survived against Ymir, who can battle Odin one on one. But Thor doesn't do anything, when it would be the perfect time to show how powerful he truly is. In the comics, Thor can shatter planets by hitting them, knocked out Silver Surfer, and sent Galactus packing. Here? He's absolutley awesome, most of the time.....until Hulk starts fighting the villain.
      • Apparently you and I have been reading two completely different comics as last I checked, She-Hulk was both physically weaker than Thor and Hulk(who's been in his greenscar mode for a while now). Then again, Shulky's strength occasionally operates on Rule of Funny so I could be wrong. Also, to be fair, the "only using a fifth of his power" against mortals thing was a later retcon/amendment to the story to explain his fluctuating power level and why he'd occasionally be outclassed by mortals. Wasn't something the character came prepackaged with. Anyway, I'm not here for a Hulk vs Thor debate, and I don't even entirely disagree with your point about Hulk overshadowing Thor to a degree on the show. I just think your making it out to be more than it is. All this being said, I'm more of a Hulk fan than I am a Thor fan(do like Thor, though), so I probably have some bias.
    • About She-Hulk. Jenn's classified as the most physically powerful thing in the marvel universe, including Galactus or the celestials. In fact, someone who overpowered Thor, got the ever loving crap kicked out of him by she hulk. From what I've read, she's stronger than Thor, Hulk, or Hercules. Anyway, if it was said, it's cannon. If he says he's been holding back, he's been holding back, until someone proves otherwise. My main concerns over this is in Some assembly required. In some assembly required, Hulk beats down the entire team. In comics, Thor could have taken him alone, with the Avengers providing back up. Here, they all try at once and get their asses kicked. Otherwise the show can't decide who's stronger. But almost all the time, they act like Hulk can beat up anything with no problem. And isn't Savage Hulk is stronger than Greenscar, anyway?
      • I wand a source on that bit on She-Hulk. I've never seen anything that says she's the physically strongest thing in the Marvel universe; strongest woman, yea, I've seen that(and it's debatable, but then again, Caiera's dead so I'll give it to her). She has admitted to being physically weaker than the Hulk(by a likely hyperbolic factor of 1000, though she wasn't as far off the mark as she thought), and has been demonstrated as physically weaker than the Hulk. As for Green Scar; word of god is that Green Scar/Worldbreaker/World War Hulk is physically stronger than any previous incarnation of the Hulk(including the one that punched out Onslaught), and is stronger than any mortal "and most immortals" on earth. So far the only person who's managed to clearly and soundly defeat that version of the Hulk was Zeus. Thor might be able to do it; he's in the right league but it would be a fight. Who normally wins in a fight between Hulk and Thor is up in the air depending on the writer; first comic I ever read was one where the two have an absolutely brutal brawl ending in Hulk's victory. Hulk's been beaten by Thor, Hulk's beaten Thor. Thats why they're rivals; they themselves don't know who'd win if it really came down to it.
        • ---About She-Hulk, I think they're referring to the rather goofy story arc in her own comic where She-Hulk had to fight The Champion of the Universe, so she worked out and got super-buff in her human form, and so when she turned into She-Hulk she was unstoppably powerful. And then she got the Power Gem. So, yeah, for a brief time in her own comic book she was the physically strongest thing around. Of course, this has never been brought up ever again, and she's definitely being written at her regular (weaker than Hulk) power level again, so the point is moot. Oh, and the 'Thor holding back' thing is something that writers put into Thor books when they decide to write him as professional wrestler going into no-sell mode for some reason. I think it does more of a disservice to Thor to claim that he was 'holding back' in times when he's been beaten. He's supposed to be a warrior with eons of experience, and he can't find the happy medium between "Getting ass kicked" and "Shattering continent"? Please. It's just bad writing.
      • Now then, about Some Assembly Required; Hulk and Thor throw down fairly evenly. Thor gets in some really good shots. Tony shows up and after getting swatted, notices magic energy around the Hulk. From this point on they aren't really trying to hurt him so much as talk him down; Gaint-Man puts his hand over Hulk, Hulk flips him over. Tony flies in while Gaint-Man's down, Hulk clotheslines him. Thor goes in for the hammer swing, misses, Hulk grabs his cape and tosses him away. Goes to hit Gaint-Man again, Wasp blasts him and gets swatted for her efforts. Hulk never fought all of them at once; they came at him one at a time and he knocked them away. Which is actually a smart way to go about fighting multiple enemies, keep tossing them down so you don't have to fight more than one at a time. What's important here is that Hulk's being influenced by Enchantress, so he's not totally in control of his actions, and that the team knows this so they're trying to subdue him without making him angrier. It's not that hard to believe, really. Doesn't show that Hulk's tougher than Thor, but he is tougher than the rest of them, and reasonably speaking, could take the rest of the team. Thor's the only one who can go toe to toe with him.
      • Okay, as the original troper who posed the question, I realized I was wrong on some of my counts. I think it was sort of bias. Not really against Hulk (He's pretty damn cool, in show and in comics) but I think it's because he gets so MANY fights I began to think he was shown as the strongest. He' always fighting with every enemy, and he gets more fights than most of the others. To me it just came off as pandering to him, and made me think he's more powerful than he is. At leas, that's the best way to put it in words. I still stick by my She-Hulk statement, though.
      • Hulk getting into fights all the time is kind of his shtick. There's not much else that he could do, really -- being the embodiment of nigh-unstoppable brute force married to anger issues is basically his core concept and in terms of more nuanced characterization he kind of suffers from being "merely" Bruce Banner's alter ego rather than a more fully rounded person in his own right. So, Hulk smashes stuff because smashing stuff is what Hulk does. (Also because even when Hulk isn't in a smashy mood for once, stuff wanting to be smashed tends to show up and provoke him again anyway.) Interestingly, up to a point Thor is Not So Different; traditionally, when in Asgard he's always the hothead seeking out giants and other monsters to beat up on purpose, though in his case it's more a combination of actual worry about what they might do if left unchecked and plain old-fashioned glory-seeking. In that regard they're both a bit more proactive than is usual for "typical" superheroes.
• What happened to the Masters of Evil after the Norn stones exploded? I can only remember them saying what happened to Crimson Dynamo, when he ran from the ghosts. Everyone else just disappeared.
  • Well, of the Masters of Evil, Living Laser was shot out of midgard, Wonder Man deserted, Abomination was crushed in the snow, Skurge got tossed away, Dynamo as you said ran away, Chemistro got bound up, Zemo knocked out, and the Enchantress actually came out relatively unscathed. That accounts for all those involved in battle. My guess is that when the Norm stones were destroyed, only those in a certain range were transported away (hence how Ant-man was transported despite not directly destroying the stone). And since most of the villains had already been tossed away/knocked away, they just weren't caught in the blast that sent the avengers to the 9 realms.
• What's going to happen with Hank/Ant-man/Giant-man? He ended up joining the battle on Asgard, even though he had officially left the team. How will they follow up on that? Will he stay for Jan's sake? Will he go back to his previous Rehabilitation kick? Will he just say "Call me if you need me?" He was the one who stopped the Yggdrasil tree from powering up Loki, so now he's saved not just Earth, but eight other realms as well. It doesn't erase Ultron, and he's still failed to rehabilitate any criminals, but at this point, the good he's done has greatly outweigh his failures (and unlike the comics, people are actually noticing that part). I wondering what he will do next? He might still be able to rehabilitate Simon, if they could just find him.
  • Excellent question. He still seemed a bit bummed when the Gods were praising the avengers, as if he's still a bit guilty about his role. Remember, of the Avengers, he's the most obvious Technical Pacifist, and his Unstoppable Rage around Wasp probably will lead to another crisis of conscious so that he'll need to rethink his plans for the future. I'm guessing that after making peace with the fact that he can do a lot on a team and that the avengers do matter to him, that will lead to his switch over to becoming Yellowjacket as a resignation that he wants to stick with Wasp and be closer to her.
    • As of the first episode of season 2 (previewed at SD Comic Con) Hank left on relatively good terms immediately after they returned from Asgard saying what he said after the Ultron stuff still stood. He was taken out of the opening too. Both the group shot and the quick 4 way split screen on Tony's monitor where he was replaced with Carol, which suggests he'll be gone for a stretch of episodes. He'll eventually be back though, as the preview trailers have shown him back with the team. Thor is gone too by the way, although he's specifically mentioned as having stayed in Asgard to help it get back on its feet and would rejoin the team when that was done. He was also taken out of the opening group shot so he'll be gone for a bit as well.
• Kang refers to the 21st Century as a "Backwater time period" and constantly calls people "primitives" and just generally seems to harbor contempt towards such an "unadvanced" race or whatever. Yet his flagship is called Damocles. Why would a man so disgusted by our "primitive" shit name his Flagship after some ancient philosophical metaphor?
  • And you know, they still speak English, so how much more advanced than current humans can they possibly be.
  • Kang's always had a fascination with the ancient world; especially ancient Egypt and its contemporaries. Could be a double standard; people with a romantic admiration for one ancient civilization rarely have the same love for another, even if on balance it could be called a better civilization. As for the speaking English, I figured his tech included some sort of universal translator, which I believe he has in the comics. Could be wrong.
  • Lots of planets have a Damocles!
• Why did the Avengers show more concern for the potential disappearance of Princess Ravonna than the potential disappearance of everyone in the universe?
  • I don't think they were entirely unconcerned; they just thought that Kang was going about fixing things the wrong way. The Avengers definitely don't want the world to end, and if Kang didn't seem to think "Conquer it!" was the answer to everything, they would have certainly worked together to prevent the Bad Future. Yes, they're concerned for the future, but they're not going to let Kang kill people in the present.
    Also, for all they know he's bullshitting them and using the bad future as an excuse to conquer them. Princess Ravonna, however, adds an innocent face to it, which has an effect you can't underestimate for a tragedy of any scale. People nowadays do it all the time: They feel for disasters in far off places, but many don't really feel it or empathize completely unless someone they know, personally, has been affected.
• There was a lot of Norse Mythology thrown in during the last two episodes. Is there a cliffnotes version somewhere for things like the nine realms? What's the deal with each one and what happened in the one place we never got to see? Also, I'm faily certain that was Nidhogg chilling with Loki at the end, but was that giant wolf Fenrir? Isn't he supposed to be a major player in Ragnorok? And did Ant-man just rip the world tree out of the ground? Shouldn't that have destroyed reality or something?
  • I thought it was pretty clear from the context what was going on. Each of the nine realms is identified in dialogue, as is the giant wolf. The World Tree was corrupted, like Thor said. Notice what happens when Giant Man pulls it out: New, golden branches spring out of its roots.
  • The ninth realm was Earth.
    • No, Midgard was one of the eight realms accounted for. Midgard and Asgard, plus the forest where Hawkeye went, I think Cap went to Hel, the frozen realm Ant-man and Wasp went to, the place with all the shadows that attacked Black Panther, the caves where Tony went and the place with the lake Hulk fell into. That's eight realms. Besides which each has a rich history in norse mythology, but I'm not sure how things may be different in the Thor comics. Did anyone catch the names of these places?
    • The one unaccounted for seems to be Muspelheim, which was a fire-and-lava kind of place, home to the fire giants, I believe. As for the others, the elf with Hawkeye ID's his place as Alfheim, Ant-Man and Wasp ended up in Jotunheim, I believe, and Cap I think was in Nifleheim. I didn't catch the others.
      • Giant-Ant Man and The Wasp were in Jotunheim (Land of the Giants), Black Panther was in Svartlheim (Land of the now-dead Dark Elves), Hawkeye in Alfheim (Land of the Light Elves), Iron Man in Nidavellir (Land of the Dwarves), The Hulk in Vanaheim (Land of the Vanir, the Aesir's sibling race), Captain America in Niffleheim (Either a Land of the Dead or a second Giant world, the show goes with with the Dead) and Thor in Asgard. So, yes of the Supernatural realms, only Muspelheim was not seen. Guess Loki knew did not want to mess with Surtur and the Fire Demons. And no, that Wolf summoned by Loki was not Fenrir.
      • Actually, when Tony discovers the dimensional flare ups caused by the Norn Stones, he mentions 'and one that's in an active volcano'. Since there's only seven members after Ant Man left, they ignore that one, but three internets say that would have lead to Muspelheim.
    • Hold on. According to Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Nifleheim is the frozen place where the Frost Giants live. Ymir is even a boss there. But in this show they call it Jotunheim. Huh?
    • It seems I got my names mixed up; I was thinking of the Thor movie, where the Jotuns live in Jotunheim.
      • Even in the original myths, Niffleheim has always been varied. In the start, it and Muspelheim were the first worlds, and the Water from their Fire and Ice would be the places Ymir emerged and subsequently reality was born. However, in Helheim (Land of the Dead), there's a region called Niffel, which is the Norse version of Hell. So, there's always been a bit of confusion. And like in the Thor movie, the Jotunheim we see is more like Niffleheim as seen in Marvel Ultimate Alliance (Mostly because Niffleheim seemed not to have a native race, so Giants are also seen there). Confused? Well, it's not hard to be.
  • Whatever Hank ripped out of the ground it wasn't Yggdrasil, or at least not all of it. Yggdrasil is so large that each of the nine realms exist on a different branch or root. Remember at the end with Loki and the Nidhogg? (Nidhogg is the snake.) Well, if you look at the scene again you can see that it takes place by Yggdrasil's roots. Which makes sense because in Norse Mythology Nidhogg likes to gnaw on the tree's roots.
  • Wait, is the snake Nidhoggr? If that's from the comics I'm unfamiliar with it and I've never seen anything in regards to Norse mythos that identifies Nidhoggr as the serpent that dripped venom into Loki's eyes.
    • Nidhoggr is the dragon that chews on the roots of Ygdrassil. The snake in Loki's cavern has no name.
  • The giant wolf isn't Fenrir, they called him something else. I remember that.
    • Horfan, the Ice Wolf (with the proviso that that is what it sounds like, and not necessarily the official spelling - it seems to be an invention of the show, rather than something taken from Norse mythology, or even the comics).
      • Hoarfen. It's from the comics.
• In "the Ultron Imperative", some how sheild has control of all the worlds nukes, or atleast most. ignoring just how the Frig they got all those countries to let them, they show nukes being launched from SUBMARINES , and B-2 like BOMBERS. you know, the ones launched by the piolets and submarines respectivly. there is no way in HELL they could launch them via remote.
  • I got the impression that Ultron was just launching SHIELD's missiles, not every single nuclear missile in the world (though SHIELD had enough for his needs). As for how he got into missiles he shouldn't have been able to fire- let's just say that SHIELD and/or Ultron are just that good.
• Is Abomination alive or dead?
  • If memory serves he was last seen getting punched into the ground by Hank Pym. Abomination is as tough as the Hulk in this continuity, and as I seriously doubt that would kill the Hulk, I'm going to go with "alive". I'm actually surprised Pym didn't break his hand punching him.
    • Thanks for clearing that up. For all we know he may have done, but adrenaline could have kept him going for a short while longer (protecting Jan is always his priority). Afterwards you've got me there.
• I love "459", but can't help but notice Wasp acted like a bigger jerk than usual. Did she act like this in the comics?
  • In the comics she abused a man's mental illness to force him into marriage with her. So no, she was actually worse.
• I have a question in Hulk Vs about the timeline containing this show and other pieces of Marvel animation.
  • It'd be nice to hear what the question is.
  • I thought it would sound redundant, since I already posted the question in the page that I linked to in my earlier sentence, but if it will get someone to answer: Word of God says Hulk Vs takes place in the same universe as Wolverine and the X-Men. It also says that The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes takes place in that universe. Does it seem more likely that Hulk vs. Thor takes place before or after the founding of the Avengers? On one hand, you have Thor, Loki, and Amora knowing about Bruce Banner being the Hulk, but you also have the fact that Loki's not undergoing the punishment dealt to him at the end of "A Day Unlike Any Other".
    • Craig Klye only mentions that vs Wolverine and Wat XM were in the same continuity. vs Thor was never confirmed to be.
• In the narration that Fury does over the opening. its bad enough that they forgot to add a few of the characters and cut into that bitchin' theme song. but they call Thor the "Prince" of Thunder. Really? WHOSE THE KING OF THUNDER, DISNEY? HE IS A GOD. A GOD OF THUNDER AND LIGHTENING. but, since i don't read Thor comics (though, because of this show and the movie, i think i might), can anybody tell me if this is just something they messed up on, or if its something they occasionally called him.
  • I've never heard "Prince of Thunder." Maybe they meant "Prince of Asgard" and got mixed up.
  • While we're at it, does it make sense to call the Captain America of this continuity, "The First Avenger"?
    • Depends on if The Invaders were active in this continuity's WWII (which if we ignore Bucky and Cap we have seen no other members, not even Namor or The [Original] Human Torch). The Avengers are often cited as a modern incarnation of The Invaders.
      • That designation for Cap (and for that matter, the whole abridged intro) is probably just to act as a cross-promotion of sorts to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, wherein Thor is most definitely a Prince, and of course, the subtitle for Cap's movie was "The First Avenger". It probably also explains why a version of the "Avengers Assemble" emblem that features on toys linked to the MCU shows up at the end of the intro.
        • I didn't know that!
• When Hawkeye tries to blow up the Tree of Life Panther tells him no yet he doesn't have a problem with Ant Man lifts it up. Why doesn't lifting it up cause damage but drain the power back to odin?
  • Panther probably wasn't paying attention to Ant Man ripping the tree out due to the fact he and Hawkeye was suffering from ear deafening noise. As for lifting up the tainted tree does, it was covering the ACTUAL tree of life.
    • When was it implied that it wasn't the real tree.
      • When Ant-Man shrunk down and saw the glow of the real tree of life under the fake one.
      • Think of it as the difference between burning something and pruning it.
• How the hell did Iron man integrate computers into the Uru Armor and how did Ant Man now to find Wasp in the finale?
  • He still had the undersuit from his normal armor. Plus, this is Tony "Box of scraps in a cave" Stark. If he can build a working armor from scraps, you're going to tell me he'll be useless when he's paired with a smith of literally mythic proportions?
    • Okay fair enough how did Ant Man now how to find Jan.
      • Easy. He stowed away on the Quinjet when she left, because he cared more about her being ok than continuing to use violence.
• This isn't really a headscratcher, but i haven't been able to find a yay or nay to this question, so i'll ask here. Is the upcoming Ultimate Spider-Man animated show going to be in the same continuity as this? Because it almost seems like Marvel is trying to set up a DCAU-sort of thing, which would be awesome. They seem to be coming out at right about the same time, and it would be fitting, because this and Wolverine and The X-men take place in the same continuity.
  • I'm not fit to say whether or not it's true, but Ultimate Spiderman is based on, well, the Ultimate universe, where things are considerably different. Avengers and Wolverine seem kind of like their trying to stick with the 616 (i.e the original) Marvel universe. Not to mention Iron Man is appearing in Ultimate Spider-Man with a different voice actor, So really odds are it's a nay as oppoossed to yay.
  • The new Spidey show is far more pragmatic with revealed info and the Thor Frog episode had a clip where Thor sounded like the show's Thor, so not overruled yet.
  • Christopher Yost specifically said that they are not in the same universe, but Jeph Leob said that they could be. Take your pick on who's word to take.
• Why is Abomination so unimpressive in this series, almost to the point of being a Butt Monkey? He's stated to be "only" as strong as The Hulk in this continuity, but he also has military training and a keen mind. In theory, this should make him much more dangerous than the Hulk, but he's never once shown to be very intimidating or threatening to any other characters. He never shows any incredible feats of strength like Hulk does in his fights, is shown up by opponents with lesser powers (or no powers at all), and gets repeatedly crushed/stepped on/punted by Giant Man, whom Hulk had little trouble fighting off. Granted, Abomination is an arrogant prick, but it still irks me how he keeps getting beaten so easily while Hulk doesn't.
  • Three possible reasons: 1. The head writer of the show Chris Yost has for whatever reason come across as really liking the Hulk at the expense of other characters. Just look at Marvel's other animated features: Ultimate Avengers, Next Avengers, and Hulk vs. where the Hulk is invinicble and everyone else (espeically Thor) is useless without him. For one reason or another it has been toned down here, but is still evident as seen by other discussions n this page. So Hulk will always look great. 2. Hulk has long treated him as something of a punching bag in comics so that is the way he is here. 3. They needed a character to show how great Hulk and the others are and Abomination just got the unlucky role.
  • Dude what's your problem? all 3 reasons was more of a complaint on the Hulk with a hint of Thor fanboyism than actual answers. Aside from the latest movie, Abomination has never been displayed very well in motion media. Bane from DC suffers a similar fate.

• What ever happened with the rest of the broken out prisoners? It seems like a case of the writers forgetting that subplot. Also why is in Hulk mode so often? Why no Bruce Banner?
  • 1. They're not done with that plot line. They've been rounding them up in the background. 2. That's answered in the first handful of episodes, where Banner and the Hulk speak and have an explicit agreement that he'd be the Hulk from now on.
  • So Bruce is alright with basically commiting identity suicide?
  • Well, Bruce is still in there, and going by some episodes has influence on the Hulk--and in "Gamma World," he turns back into Banner because the situation requires a sciencey solution as opposed to a smashy one (well, it also requires a smashy one, but only after the sciencey one). Bruce has decided it's better to just let the Hulk out most of the time, instead of having the Hulk get repressed and force itself out at inopportune times.
    • Besides he's also trying to repair the Hulk's image in the eyes of the public. He can't do that if the Hulk isn't visible because he keeps changing back to Bruce Banner. He's proving that the Hulk isn't a monster, just a little misunderstood. Besides, Bruce is still very much alive and conscious inside the Hulk's head, and explains a lot of the Hulk's more intelligent actions. Bruce is gently prodding him in the right direction from within.

• Apologies if I'm wrong, and I've only just started watching the series, but it seems that Wolverine shows up in the series, as does the Fantastic Four... so where's Spider-Man? Does he exit in this shared universe? Has there been a reference to him, you know, Tony Stark reading the Daily Bugle or something,? It just seems weird that they would refer to these other heroes but not to one of their most famous faces of Marvel?
  • Well seeing as Spiderman is getting his own series, (and for that matter, wasn't really that tied into the Avengers for a while in the comics), A spiderman cameo is probably a long ways off.
    • Spidey's actualy had that problem for years. He rarely ever appears in other Marvel series. I read an article on Toon Zone about his animation history. His only appearance in another marvel cartoon was the old Spider Woman cartoon. As for this series, I think it's a rights issue thing. Someone else owns the rights to his appearances in other media so that's why he never shows up in other series like The Super Hero Squad or Avengers. I may be wrong on that though.
  • Spider-Man will show up, as will Wolverine in-costume. ^{[dead link]}
  • Spider-Man and the X-Men were mentioned in "Alone Against A.I.M." so they definitely exist in this continuity.
    • Spider-Man got himself an episode =) He's 17 btw. And works on DB website.
• This might not fit here, but i just watched a few episodes back to back and something caught my eye. In (at least) two episodes, the cartoon makes a point to show this girl. She's got a red scarf, brown bowl cut hair, and some kind of heavy jacket on. I'd swear that she's a shout out, or a reference, or something, but i just can't think of it. Has anyone else noticed this girl, and if you have, what exactly is she?
• Where the heck is Hawkeye in the season 2 trailers and intro? The fact he joins the Avengers in the Marvel Cinematic Universe makes his exclusion harder to tolerate than that of Hank, Jan, or T'Challa. Clint's absence feels even more jarring with the push the movie's advertisers have started giving him.
  • Sadly, as a bit more of a B list hero, he doesn't have the same name recognition compared to Thor, Hulk, Cap and Iron man, so he probably got cut from the opening, at least for now. Besides, he also was excluded pretty heavily from the original opening, so this isn't too big a shock for me.
• Does this clip mean that no one knows Black Panther is really King T'Challa, or that King T'Challa doesn't know the Avengers' real names? Neither one sounds like it would make sense...
  • It's definitly implying that an ordinary person on the street wouldn't know who T'Challa is, and why would they? Prior to the start of the show T'Challa had never left home and he's never been unmasked in public or anything. Kids learn about Cap in hisory class, Hulk's identity is no secret and we all know how great Tony is at keeping his identity secret.
    • Well, I thought ordinary people could figure out themselves that the king of the Black Panther tribe is Black Panther, though on second thought, it wouldn't surprise me if someone considered the chance an ordinary tribesman became him.
• Prior to the breakout Mad Thinker predicted said breakout would happen soon. How could he know that? Especially considering it was Loki who caused it. If it was Hydra or Doom or someone else than I'd buy it, but how could he predict the motives of a god he's never heard of living in another dimension?
  • If i had to say, he was probably thinking along the lines of "Practically all of super-villains in the world are locked in here. something bad is going to happen." if you stuck the smartest, most dangerous criminals in the world together in one prison, they'd manage to escape eventually. He probably didn't know how or when it was going to happen, but he knew it was happening.
  • Mad Thinker is in the top twenty smartest people in the world. He's also a little bit nuts(hence the name), so he thinks outside the box. Depending on how much information he had on the goings on of the outside world(which was probably considerably more than Hank knew or wanted him to have), he could spot patterns in supervillain activity and in the way supervillains were being captured. To him, they're pieces being moved around on the chess board, even if he can't see the hand moving them. And just like great chess players can spot a checkmate several moves in advance, the Thinker saw the trap Loki was setting. As for why the Mad Thinker was the only one who saw it, when even smarter individuals such as the Leader and Hank Pym didn't see it, it goes back to that bit about Thinker being, well, mad. To paraphrase the Jason Stathon movie Revolver, "The bigger the trap is, the easier it is to set up. That's because no one's looking for it. They never expect it to be that big."
• Iron Man's armours. This page goes into detail about most of them but there is no mention at all of a Mark IV. Is there any indication what happened to it? Iron Man also switches between his Mark VI & VII armours at a few points. Is there any way to tell these two apart visually?
  • Re: the Mark IV: Doesn't look like it existed in the comics either...
• Apparently the Nazis didn't exist in this timeline, at least if the newsreel in "Meet Captain America" is any indication. So what is Magneto's backstory in this continuity?
  • The Nazis existed, they just didn't show them in that one newsreel.
• Why do the recaps play clips out of chronological order? If they want things to seem more dramatic, it's not working.
  • This is probably related to that whole business where the target audience found the arcs hard to follow, and so they tried to make episodes more stand alone. Only in this case, they play different clips that relate to this episode both thematically and plot wise. Take Alone against Aim. The key points to be remembered during the episode is that captain america lost his shield, Iron Man ticked off AIM, and director Hill wants The Avengers to register. Each of these things are important going into that episode to understand why people are interacting the way they are, and I suppose the most important information is the last clip, which might not necessarily be chronological. Why they don't trust that viewers can figure it out as they go I'm not certain, but this is at least some kind of explanation.
• I thought Maria looked jealous of Pepper when Pepper fainted into Tony's arms, but is that just the Shipping Goggles talking?
• Why are both the Kree and Skrull empires both interested in planet earth at the same time? Are they after something in particular? Like maybe Wakanda's massive pile of vibranium?
  • I would guess that resources is a big plus. The Marvel Earth has all kinds of weird things. But, its probably more along the lines of the Skrulls noticing that the Kree have been scouting the planet, so they want to beat them to gaining a foothold. you never let an enemy gain a foothold if you can stop them.
• Are we as the audience supposed to be against both the Skrull and Kree empires for being invading dickheads? The Kree think it's a mark of arrogance to resist being ground under the heel of a jackboot. The Skrulls so far haven't done much evil besides replacing a few people to infiltrate earth. They might be doing it for a good cause for all the audience knows.
  • I think our sympathies should like with, well, Earth and its inhabitants. So far, the only "Cause" that either race seems to have is that one side may be looking to gain a foothold in earth, and the other wants to get a foothold on earth before they do. Unless some new information comes to light, both races could probably just up and leave and suffer no real consequence to their war efforts; they just want the planet because the other race wants the planet. As for doing bad things, neither side has been portrayed in a very positive light. the Kree threatened to blow up the planet, twice, and we saw that they had what was implied to be an enslaved conscript (The dog-like alien). As for the Skrull, shooting Captain America and taking his, and god only knows how many others, place in the world is pretty evil and is seemingly contributing to a larger plan that has yet to be revealed. I guess its simply to early in the conflict to take sides, as we've only seen a little bit of both factions.
• Anyone else wish we would have seen the Captain America Skrull try to explain to the Avengers why his costume looks so different than that of the real Cap?
  • I'm not entirely sure if this is an Headscratcher or not, but they did throw out a line that his costume was different. Presumably his older costume was damaged, or this new costume has better armor, probably designed by Iron Man. He probably didn't need to explain anything to anyone. He was probably just like, "Hey, Tony. My suit is damaged. i guess wearing it 24/7, fighting in it, being frozen for fifty something years may have caused some wear and tear that can't be fixed with a sewing needle. Think i can get a new one? maybe something a little more streamlined?"
    • I saw "The Private War of Dr. Doom" under the impression that it took place only 1-2 days after "A Day Unlike Any Other," and therefore didn't think of the chance it got damaged in between those two episodes.
      • BUT, Hawkeye said that "Noone's seen Pym in a few weeks." So it's probably been a few weeks at least. Besides, Hawkeye in the same episode said the "new outfit was pretty cool", indicating nobody found it too suspicious. Perhaps they just assumed he wanted to try some new threads?
        • Wow, I sure feel dumb for not noticing the weeks line sooner. Should I remove this from Easy Impersonation, then?
• uh, since I don't have the background in comics, I will throw the question out there, is the Kang's Damocles vessel a space ship or a space station? It is refer to as a station in the cartoon, and we never seen it really move like a ship. But from the appearance it's definite doesn't look like any space station in fiction. Thoughts?
  • Technically, if it can meaningfully maneuver under its own power, it's a ship; if it can't, it's a station. Looks have little to do with it, since in space you can build pretty much any way you like as long as the result doesn't then have to enter an atmosphere or otherwise try to land. However, even if it is mobile, this wouldn't be the first time a fictional starship gets mislabeled as a "station" in-universe anyway. Death Star, anyone?
    • And there is the possibility that while Damocles is capable of moving, SWORD lacks sufficient control and understanding of Damocles to make it meaningfully maneouvre under its own power (at this point, at least).
• How did Tony make it back to Avengers Mansion after storming out of Nick Fury's safehouse?
  • He probably signaled his suit to come to him.
• If Dr. Doom is stronger the whole Fantastic Four in this series, why hasn't he killed them yet?
  • Hero Immunity.
    • Bad excuse, especially since the series states he shares his comic book incarnation's hatred of Reed Richards and that he's willing to go any lengths to kill him, and when we first see him appear the Fantastic Four can barely handle his Mecha-Mooks even with the Avengers' help and yet dialogue in the show implies they fought him and foiled his plans routinely despite the show pretty well depicts him as being out of their league.
  • And considering he's likely cooperating with the Skrulls, he may not have time for them at the moment. And it could also be chalked up to the "first appearance, superpowerful" thing, where when someone debuts, they are absolutely amazing in strength, but after that, they regress to a downplayed level.
    • I highly doubt that. If anything, what we saw in S 01 E 01 it looks like Doom may be one the first to realise Skrull infiltration besides Fury. And I think he will oppose it.
• Okay, everyone said it before. And we will keep saying this. What does Spider-man connects his web to at end of the episode? It looks like he's swinging on the air again. =) What's up with that?
• And again, okay i think this isn't where i'm supposed to say it but... Is Chamelion again mixed up Nick Fury's image? I mean at the end of Secret Invasion, his eyepatch on the other eye...
  • I'm assuming it's probably an animation error. We've had some slip-ups in the animation department for the season so far.
• If SHIELD and the President of The United States have both said that the real Captain America didn't attempt to get humanity to surrender to the Skrulls, why do some people not believe what they're saying and still think that Cap's a dirty traitor? You'd think they'd at least arrange a press conference or something to clear Cap's name or something...
  • Even if they did, doesn't mean anyone believed it.
• How did Ultron come back if Ant-Man programmed him to shut down volentarily?
  • Simple, we see in the "Ultron Imperative" that Ultron has been constantly upgrading his programing and the Ultron first fought in "Ultron 5" wasn't the original body. My guess that like Skynet of the Terminator series, It's live primarily as a computer program. sending copies of itself to attempt to complete it's programming.
• Whatever happened to Scott Lang since To Steal an Ant-Man? I have access to Leaked eps until 18, and he's not there either

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