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* [[Alas, Poor Scrappy]]: Rachel is one of the best examples.

* [[Alternate Character Interpretation]]:

** Depending on how you interpret some of the Crane's dialogue, he could be either a [[Complete Monster]] or a strong case of [[Even Evil Has Standards]]. When Falcone says there's "an answer" to idealistic prosecutors, Crane says he doesn't want to know. Is it indignation, or just fear of the potential consequences of knowing that information? When Ducard says that Crane thought the league's plan was to hold Gotham to ransom, does this mean he wouldn't have supported genocide, or that he only got involved because he saw something in it for him?

** The CEO who takes over Wayne Enterprises after Thomas & Martha's deaths can fall victim to this. Is he a [[Jerkass]] [[Regent for Life]] for refusing to hand the company over to Bruce; or is he justified in not handing the company over to Bruce, as young Master Wayne was pronounced dead ''several years ago'' and has no experience in the business world? Is he a [[Jerkass]] for firing Lucius Fox, or is he simply cutting costs by ditching a division that's losing them money?

* [[And the Fandom Rejoiced]]: "Yeah that's a interesting line of thought Lieutenant Gordan is having with Batman...hmm okay there's been a robbery...oh, [[The Joker|that's an interesting turn of events.]]"

** As the trope entry reminds us, a lot of people were leery about [[What the Hell, Casting Agency?|the casting of]] [[Heath Ledger]] as the Joker until they saw clips of his performance.

** Also, the idea of a Batman ''anime'' made some fans leery, until the name ''[[Batman: The Animated Series|Kevin Conroy]]'' showed up.

** The series essentially started with this. After the [[Joel Schumacher]] films, another Batman film (proper origin story or not) wasn't something anyone was getting terribly excited about. Until it was announced that it would be from the same [[Christopher Nolan|director]] as ''[[Memento]]'' and starring [[American Psycho|Patrick Bateman]] that fans had any hope that it would be worth getting excited about.

** For some, the fact that the film won't be in 3D.

** The prologue. Even if we couldn't understand what Bane was saying, it was clear that Nolan was writing him as a [[Genius Bruiser]], something that Bane has had trouble with for years now.

* [[Crowning Music of Awesome]]: When your films are scored by Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard, what else can you expect?

** ''The Dark Knight Rises'' will be done without JNH's input due to scheduling conflicts. Only time will tell if the musical cart is upset because of this.

* [[Downer Ending]]: ''The Dark Knight''. It's got a Downer Beginning and a Downer Middle as well. There's sort of an uplifting three-quarter point, but that's after two Downer Hours.

* [[Draco in Leather Pants]]:

** Johnathan Crane, thanks to being played by the handsome Cillian Murphy.

*** Bane's [[The Unintelligible|voi]][[What the Hell Is That Accent?|ce]] was met with a bit of mockery, though this voice was later remixed to make it sound more coherent.

*** [[Fan Dumb|In a specifically annoying case]], some comic fans were [[Unpleasable Fanbase|up in arms]] that [[Anne Hathaway]] was not hot enough and [[Bigger Is Better|did]] [[Most Common Superpower|not]] [[Big Bra to Fill|possess]] the correct assets to play [[Catwoman]]. Her acting ability was not discussed].

* [[Straw Man Has a Point]]: At one point Lucius Fox bemoans that the government didn't consider a soldier's life worth $300,000 for a high-tech bodysuit. Actually the government would have to spend $437,058,600,000. That's just for the suits, and just one of each for each member of active duty military personnel, not counting replacements and spares (of the suits) and reservists (of the personnel). And that's for a suit that Bruce apparently ''couldn't turn his head very well in'' in its original iteration. Just to be clear, that's already approaching the budget for the '''entire US military'''. Add in the additional costs of suits for reservists and everyone having at least one spare in case theirs was destroyed in combat, and the suits would cost almost four times the entire military's budget, just for ground troop body armor.

* [[True Art Is Angsty]]: ''The Dark Knight'' is easily the darkest film adaptation of Batman ever made. It's also the most critically-acclaimed. The Dark Knight Rises is about the same, maybe even moreso.

* [[Villain Decay]]: Scarecrow. He starts off as the [[Big Bad]] of [[Batman Begins]], or so we think. Ra's Al Ghul returns, revealing that Scarecrow is just [[The Dragon]]. It gets worse when he is taken down in the end by Rachel Dawes and a stun gun. He shows up at the beginning of the [[Dark Knight]] as a lowly drug dealer and is quickly apprehended by the end of the scene.

* [[What Do You Mean It's Not for Kids?]]: ''The Dark Knight'' is rated PG-13, and many think the MPAA was too lenient with the rating. It is definitely ''not'' a children's movie.

** Though, to be fair, Nolan went out of his way to avoid sex, visible blood, and swearing, the [[Omniscient Council of Vagueness|MPAA's]] only real standards for R ratings. Sort of a [[Genre Savvy]] for filmmaking on his part. If the MPAA was really about determining what children should see, their standards would be much different, and Dark Knight would not have been PG-13. For that reason, and that reason ''only'', may it also fall under [[What Do You Mean It's for Kids?]].

** The disturbingly realistic style in which exploding buildings and subsequent wreckage were shot can't help but evoke 9/11 somewhat. There's a reason people referred to Joker as a terrorist in the film.

** The use of {{spoiler|unwitting Gotham residents' cell phones as a kind of sonar}} absolutely ''reeks'' of current political battles over the legality of wiretapping calls overseas. It seems to come out vaguely in favor of its use in extremely limited situations, but also recognizes that those uses must be accounted for {{spoiler|as Lucius and Bruce destroy the surveillance device once the Joker is apprehended}}.

** And with ''Rises'', Anne Hathaway as Catwoman and Tom Hardy as Bane.

 

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