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* [[Base Breaker]]:
** The Civil War campaign is the catalyst for a few of these. Jump in ''any'' forum topic about it and expect to see a [[Flame War]]. Are the Empire the last, best hope for ensuring [[Guilt-Free Extermination War|humanity's prosperity and survival]] against the genocidal [[A Nazi by Any Other Name|Thalmor]], or brutal [[The Empire|oppressors]] holding on to a [[The Remnant|shadow of their former glory]] and [[What the Hell, Hero?|crossed the line]] trying to [[Stupid Surrender|appease the Thalmor]]? Are the Stormcloaks a bunch of heroic freedom fighters pushing a brutal empire out of their land and the [[Only Sane Man|Only Sane Men]] who know [[Screw You, Elves|the only real way to deal with the Thalmor]], or are they a bunch of bull-headed, [[Fantastic Racism|racist]] idiots that are [[Unwitting Pawn|unwittingly]] giving the Thalmor [[Divide and Conquer|exactly what they want]] and ultimately are [[Not So Different|just as bad]] [[He Who Fights Monsters|as the Thalmor]]?
** The Thalmor are [[The Scrappy|hated for the most part.]] However, they also have a small but vocal fanbase that thinks that they're within their right to do all the terrible things they do and admire them for a multitude of reasons: for consisting of lots of good looking High Elves, fancy robes, and for being very efficient conquerors.
** Cicero. He does have a pretty big fanbase who finds him adorable and hilarious, but he also has lots of people who loathe him and see him as obnoxious and absolutely irritating. Astrid also gets this, with half the fans liking her for her strong family values and understand her reasons for {{spoiler|selling you out to Commander Maro}} and half loathing her for not following the Five Tenants and for seeing her as an unlikable control freak. It seems that there's no middle ground for either of these characters.
* [[Beam Me Up, Scotty]]: The [[Memetic Mutation|famous]] quote from the guards actually goes "Then I took an arrow ''in'' the knee", not "''to'' the knee" as it's often quoted.
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** As usual for the Elder Scrolls, it's possible for your character to be such a monster that he/she puts the [[Big Bad]] to shame.
** One of the named Dragon Priests (Rahgot) {{spoiler|''ritualistically mass murdered'' '''children''', just so his tomb would have undead to defend it once he died. He also had one of his own followers brutally murdered just because she questioned him.}} Another one by the name of Hevnoraak had a very compelling voice and used it to gather a group of followers, and used his voice to torture them, knowing that they'd have no way to fight back due to his voice's strength.
** In the Thieves Guild questline, {{spoiler|Mercer Frey}} turns out to be this. {{spoiler|He betrayed not only the guild but basically his goddess, murdered his master and friend and then framed the other friend (who was also the first friend's lover) for the crime, then spent years using Nocturnal's stolen artifact to steal all the guild's income while continuing to lie about it the whole time.}} He also tries to {{spoiler|kill you to keep you from finding out the above... [[Nice Job Fixing It, Villain|which leads to you finding out the above.]]}} And to make things worse, he's damn proud of the things he does and sneers at the notion that thieves can have standards when it comes to villainy.
** Arondil, a necromancer living north of Dawnstar has been kidnapping women and murdering them so he can resurrect them to use as a [[Power Perversion Potential|zombie]] [[Mundane Utility|harem]].
** Another nasty necromancer is Sild the Warlock, who makes his home in an abandoned crypt that he turned into a torture chamber. He lures adventurers in with promises of treasure but instead traps them in a cage and slowly burns them to death. When they die, he raises their spirits to be used as guardians for his lair, and they're entirely self-aware and anguished by this fate when you battle them. And to make things worse? His journal reveals that he's trying to find ways to drag out the torture process before he snuffs out the lives of his victims permanently, and makes a note at the end saying that it feels very sweet to take the life of another person.
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* [[Draco in Leather Pants]]: Despite all that the quest/story designers did to make you want to hate the Thalmor (see [[A Nazi by Any Other Name]] )... some people still inexplicably like the Thalmor, and not in a "love to hate" way.
** Many players feel that the Forsworn are misunderstood freedom fighters working for a just cause to overthrow a government that demonizes them, and wish that they could join ''them'' in the Civil War. Hmm...perhaps it's the raiding, genocide, and implicit rape, cannibalism, and [[Cruelty Rich Leather]] they practice that explains why it's not an option.
** Speaking of the Civil War, expect around half of the player base to do this for the side they support while invoking [[Ron the Death Eater]] on the other. While either side could objectively be viewed as the "right side", they do not come without their flaws either
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]:
** Lydia, again. Most were very disappointed when a minor (and fixable) bug prevented players from marrying her. (Fixed in the 1.5 patch, or by mods on the PC before that.) Bethesda seemed to pick up on this, and ended up fleshing out Lydia's personality more with the ''Dawnguard'' and ''Dragonborn'' to where she's not only more of a smart-ass than she was in the vanilla game (which was only present in one line of dialogue), but to where she warms up to you the more you travel with her.
** The Spectral Assassin, in other words, {{spoiler|Lucien Lachance rides again.}}
** Paarthurnax, due to him being [[The Mentor]] and one of the two friendly dragons. Several players have tried to slaughter the Blades for even suggesting killing him.
** Brynjolf of the Thieves' Guild. With his accent, friendliness, and tendency to affectionately call your PC lass/lad, so many players were disappointed to find him unmarriable.
** Vilkas and Farkas
** If the kink memes are anything to go by, Ondolemar, Ancano, Nelacar--really, almost any named male High Elf, likely because of their height, attractiveness, fashion sense, and [[Bastard Boyfriend]]-ish attitudes.
** Cicero is also one of the most loved characters in the game, due to his hilarious dialogue and his sheer hamminess.
** Among the Jarls, Balgruuf the Greater is quite well-loved among the fanbase. That tends to happen whenever you're a [[Reasonable Authority Figure]] of a Jarl who takes threats to your hold seriously. His respect for the Dragonborn and being likely the first Jarl you meet also helps his case.
* [[Evil Is Sexy]]: Astrid,
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** Not a perfect example due to being a Daedric Prince (Their morality is vastly different from Tamriel's sentient species), but Nocturnal is certainly this due to being {{spoiler|the patron of the Thieves' Guild.}}
** Even among those that absolutely ''hate'' them, a lot of people find the Thalmor in general to embody this due to being sharply dressed and consisting of a lot of very good-looking Altmer in their ranks.
** And there's the female Forsworn for their choice of clothing: incredibly skimpy [[Fur Bikini|Fur Bikinis]]
* [[Fail O'Suckyname]]: Vekel [[A Dog Named "Dog"|the Man]] may have the stupidest sobriquet ever.
* [[Fountain of Memes]]: The entire game.
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** Delphine crosses it when she {{spoiler|orders you to murder Paarthurnax}}. Esbern at least has the excuse of being paranoid and isolated for a big portion of his life.
** [[The Sociopath|Erikur]] crosses this when he gets a Bosmer slave girl sent to Elenwen's torture chambers for not returning his affection.
** {{spoiler|Mercer Frey}} crossed this whenever he {{spoiler|killed his trusted ally Gallus and pinned the blame on his friend's lover Karliah, destroying her life as a way to cover his ass for Gallus' murder.}}
* [[Most Annoying Sound]]:
** Get used to hearing enemy NPCs tell you that ''YOU NEVER SHOULD HAVE COME HERE!''
** Heimskr, who might be considered something of an [[Expy]] of Cromwell, the preacher from Megaton in ''[[Fallout 3]]''. Even the wiki has a list of ways to stealth kill him to shut him up.
** Cicero in general can be absolutely ''OBNOXIOUS'' to some, thanks to lacking any kind of indoor voice and always screeching at the top of his lungs when talking about the Night Mother.
* [[Most Wonderful Sound]]: When the barbarian choir starts singing, something awesome is ''always'' going to happen.
** When you kill them (And it's easy to do, they go down in about one shot), skeletons make a delightful clattering sound when their bones hit the floor.
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** The werewolf ritual's [[Special Effects Failure]]. The arm is lifted, a dagger runs across it, and SPLAT! The basin is instantly half-filled with blood.
** All NPCs have combat lines that relate to their position and race. Normally this isn't a problem, but hearing Lydia yelling "Skyrim belongs to the Nords!" while fighting mud crabs is a bit narmy.
** Among the things guards can say to you is "You're like me, eh? Don't fancy those clunky two-handed weapons." They can say this while ''they are holding two-handed weapons''. They can say this when '''''YOU''' are holding two-handed weapons''. This goes for ''any'' skill with high levels, no matter how non-obvious it may be ("Best offense is a good defense, right?" (the message for a high skill in heavy armor) when you are not wearing any heavy armor at all, etc.). Also, guards' [[Mood Whiplash]] towards you, such as first of all greeting you as the Dovahkiin/a Companion, then going straight to being suspicious of you, such as "Go fiddling with any locks around here, and we're going to have a real problem".
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* [[The Scrappy]]: Heimskr due to his endless preaching about Talos. Makes it even worse when he loses his house and thus preaches more. He is one of the two things both Imperial and Stormcloak sympathizers agree to hate.
** The Thalmor. They're generally hated by everyone. As one fan put it, people hate the Nazi elves more than the world-eating dragon. If the general NPC attitude towards them is any indication, this was likely intentional.
** Delphine and Esbern. Forcing the player character to serve as their errand boy as well as {{spoiler|ordering him/her to kill Paarthurnax}} did not win them love from the fans. Delphine gets this more than Esbern due to her very pronounced [[Jerkass]] behavior.
** Maven Black-Briar is also reviled among many people of the fanbase. She's a crime lord who is more-or-less solely responsible for Riften being a scum-filled hellhole, and she goes out of her way to talk down to others and make their lives miserable in general. And unfortunately, she's not like Nazeem where you can simply run her trough with a greatsword or obliterate her with various Dragon Shouts, she's essential, and to make things even more infuriating, {{spoiler|she becomes Jarl of Riften if the Imperials win the Civil War}}. All in all, there's absolutely no way to humble her, call her out on what she does, kill her, or anything to get rid of her, which makes her among the game's most loathed characters. Hell, her entire family counts for this due to their rather repugnant attitudes and untouchability (Except Sibbi, who can be murdered in his cell with exploits). Ingun escapes this for her polite demeanor and lack of her family's trademark assholish behavior.
** Lots of [[Jerkass]] characters in general for their insufferable attitudes fall into this. Including such lovely specimens like the infamous Nazeem and his over-inflated ego, Mercer Frey for his unabashed [[Jerkass]] behavior even for a guild full of thieves {{spoiler|though his unlikability is intentional due to him being the guild quest's true villain}}, and child abusing old crone Grelod the Kind.
** Most children are also hated due to the fact that they tend to ''go out of their way'' to be as obnoxious as possible.
* [[Scrappy Mechanic]]: The broken-as-hell yielding system. In [[Oblivion]], all you needed to do to yield was block and press a button, which the enemy would recognize and guards always accepted. In Skyrim, you need to put your weapon away and just stand there like an idiot. Most of the time it doesn't work, meaning guards will keep trying to kill you for a forty-gold bounty, no matter how many times you try to surrender.
** Marriage. Despite being an interesting new aspect of the game with great potential, many people have taken issue with it. Courtship is easy and short. The dialogue with your spouse is rather boring and often buggy, and you can't have any meaningful interaction with them apart from setting them as a follower, talking about various banal topics, or buying items. The only benefits it offers are certain status buffs, a source of income, and a free follower. It's become enough of a problem that there are numerous mods to improve marriage, including ones that allow you to marry more characters.
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** If you (for some reason) strip a character naked, you'll notice their feet look like mittens with lines engraved for their toes.
* [[Unfortunate Implications]]:
** Once you get married, no matter what type of life your spouse was living and what type of person they are, at your request they'll move into your home halfway across Skyrim and spend the rest of the game being a homemaker who runs what could only be described as a junk shop and dotes on you when you come home. Though it's not an issue if you marry a follower since your husband or wife will still follow you and help in combat despite being married.
* [[Visual Effects of Awesome]]:
** New screenshots of [http://uk.pc.ign.com/dor/objects/93395/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/images/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-20110415033047799.html Khajiits] and [http://uk.pc.ign.com/dor/objects/93395/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/images/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-20110415033053299.html;jsessionid=9acs0llq7kj2c Orcs]
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