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* Lt. Gorman in ''[[Aliens]]'' certainly qualifies for this, due to his relative inexperience, [[General Failure]] at managing the alien attack, [[Armchair Military|rear echelon tactics]] and the resulting lack of respect from his troops.
** Somewhat subverted in that while he was a bad officer, later on he tries to apologise for his behaviour, has no trouble submitting command to a more experienced and competent subordinate and shows great personal bravery and tries to save the marine who depised him the most.
** Gorman only qualifies for this trope in the sense that his troops have very little respect for him, because he doesn't actually have very many legitimate military failings. What he does have is a complete lack of experience, which hoses him hard at several points in the movie, but every officer goes through that stage of development at one point in their lives and the vast majority of them survive it. Gorman fails because a) he was deliberately assigned to a mission well beyond his experience range, b) his much more experienced platoon sergeant was killed off in the first minute of action, c) the situation is entirely unlike anything he''any'' wasof the Marines were trained to deal with, d) his available military intelligence is pretty much at the absolute theoretical maximum of "bad" (that is to say, ''every'' significant fact he was given in his pre-mission briefing turned out to be either substantially incomplete at best, andif most of them werenot wrong -- or worse yet, deliberately falsified), e) his troops deliberately disobeyed the orders he gave that would have prevented much of the disaster<ref>While Gorman did commit an error in that he didn't explain ''why'' it was a good idea to not load standard ammunition, his troops shouldn't have needed an explanation just to do their jobs.</ref> and f) through no fault of his own he is out of communication with his people at the critical moment of the engagement. Had his first assignment been a more standard military deployment there is every reason to believe he'd have done fine.
* Lt. Col. Tall (Nick Nolte) in ''[[The Thin Red Line]]''. He has [[Glory Hound|veins in his teeth]]. Partly subverted in that he secretly has a low opinion of himself... and his tactics work.
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