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== Nale retreated to his hometown of Greysky City after leaving Azure City, and Haley will have to fight him and/or work with him to resurrect Roy/escape the city. ==
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** Roy still CAN be brought back. He just needs a true resurrection spell now, As that one doesn't require a body. (can Durkon perform that one yet?)
** I really doubt it, true rez is a ninth level spell. That said, I don't think being a construct would prevent Durkon from using a normal rez on him.
*** Haley seems to think that if they have Roy's body, they ''won't'' need a seventeenth level cleric to bring him back. So, it seems a normal rez is good enough. Besides, if a normal rez can't bring back someone who was turned into a construct, then true rez can't
*** In strip 578, Belkar is seen shaking one of Roy's boots as they escape the golems. A rattle is heard from within. It has been suggested that a toe bone or similar remains in the boot. And the spell resurrection requires only a small part of the body to work.
*** And the major, major point ''no-one'' has remembered: you '''DON'T''' need a cleric who can cast level 9 spells. All you need is a scroll and a cleric with Wis 19. Hell, Haley probably has ranks in ''Use Magic Device''; SHE could cast it if a scroll could be found. (Of course, this kind of requires a scroll, but everyone appears to be so obsessive about finding a cleric of high enough level that this idea has completely fallen by the wayside. And since the cleric they found stated he ''did'' have a scroll...)
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== Vaarsuvius is divorced. ==
Despite claiming to be married, Vaarsuvius goes adventuring for months at a time and never makes any attempt to contact his or her spouse, even when imprisoned for a capital crime. He or she is also reluctant to discuss the marriage. Therefore, the couple have gone through an ugly divorce and broken off all contact.
* One needs to consider an elven perception of time. They are obscenely long-lived creatures at an average "retirement age" of 650 years (''AD&D'' Elves don't die of old age, they just "[[Put
* Based on the above, Vaarsuvius is female, and her ex-husband is Thief from ''[[
** This would also explain why Vaarsuvius seems to get along so well with Haley compared to the rest of the
** Or, as a counterpoint to the same, Thief stated in ''[[
* This may be proved, as in the [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0628.html latest strip], a dragon mentions V's kids.
** That only proves he has kids. Does not prove V's marital status.
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== Vaarsuvius will take Qarr's offer and become a 4th edition Warlock. ==
He did say he'd be incorporating elements of 4th edition at his own disposal, and by doing it this way V doesn't become automatically evil.
** The right four''th'' words, eh?
** "Let's try fourth edition".
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== Vaarsuvius will kill hir family hirself after s/he's finished with the dragon. ==
One of the voices V hears says 'Destroy everyone who has ever slighted you.' While this does make Belkar a good future target of retribution, it does mean that if hir mate and/or children have a negative reaction to what Vaarsuvius has become (this is pretty much the ultimate "You're not the (wo)man I married!" situation), that makes them a prime, available, and immediate
* What do you think [[Order of the Stick]] is, a DC Comic? ;)
== Roy's spirit will have no choice but to take over Belkar's body ==
Eventually V. is going to [[Mind Rape]] Belkar into being a vegetable. At this point, Roy will have to possess Belkar's body in order to stop V. from wiping out the party. Following this, he will find a non-psycho arcanist (preferably a sorcerer) and arrange for a ''polymorph any object'' spell to give him back his Medium-sized frame. The only problem is how depressing this WMG is, unless Belkar is able to exploit some loophole and [[Person
== Something awesome involving fiends will happen exactly on Strip 666 ==
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== Vaarsuvius will become a major bad guy, perhaps even the new [[Big Bad]] ==
Sure, the soul splice will end eventually, but it's not certain whether V can earn experience during the soul splice and whether it'll last after it's over. Now that V's {{spoiler|killed the entire extended family of a dragon}}, s/he will probably rack up a ''lot'' of exp. I wouldn't be surprised if Vaarsuvius used the soul splice to go on a rampage, get a bunch of kills, and start leveling like crazy. Since V has ultimate cosmic power and all, s/he could quite easily wipe out entire armies just for exp. Furthermore, V already shows signs of thinking [[Evil Feels Good]], so...
* A four-sided war between the Linear Guild, the reformed Order of the Stick, Xykon, and Evil V over Girard's Gate? Sign me up! Such a pity V's effective level is so high s/he doesn't technically get more than one or two points of XP for acts short of destroying planets.
* Well, we know there are more sides to the fight from [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0548.html here.] (Roach's dialogue, 8th panel.) Even though at this point, it doesn't look like V will stage his/her own attempt to control the gates, there's definitely more going on than we know of.
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== The end of the strip will reveal that the whole thing was actually being played out in an actual game of ''D&D''. ==
# It's far from unheard of for a webcomic to pull a St. Elsewhere, especially one as self-aware as this one.
# More specifically, ''Adventurers!'', a spiritual cousin to ''OOTS'', [http://www.adventurers-comic.com/ pulled a similar trick].
# It would help explain some of the Genre Savviness of many of the characters and the presence of certain D&D-specific (or RPG-specific) tropes over the course of the strip.
# Burlew is on record as saying he [https://web.archive.org/web/20110902100105/http://www.giantitp.com/FAQ.html#faq27 "already knows what the last panel of the last comic will be"].
* [[Jossed]], as [[Word of God]] is also on record that "there are no players" in ''OOTS''.
** Quite strange, if you consider that they're called explicitly "PCs", in contrast to NPCs. They'd be the first PCs without players.
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== Xykon's anti-teleport dome will (at least temporarily) strip V of any ability to use magic stronger than a cantrip, if that. ==
V's not thinking, so as to defeat Xykon as quickly as possible. Were V to teleport just outside Azure city and walk in, it would be possible to wipe out the dome from the inside and/or simply flatten the castle, Xykon, and destroy the phylactery with the right destruction spell. As V is relying on the ultimate arcane power instead of the intellect and wisdom stats that were so important a hundred strips ago, it would be the ultimate in irony, especially if the powers are transferred, even weakened, to Xykon for the duration of the effect. Really, Xykon does seem like exactly the sort of person who would weave a power blocker into his already personalized spell dome simply to have the pleasure of unsuspecting teleporters falling hundreds of feet to their deaths for his own entertainment and convenience.
== Vaarsuvius will use his [[Deal
S/he'll use her greater wizarding abilities to find out where Roy's corpse is and get it back, and use Qarr's teleportation ability to bring Roy's corpse to Durkon. Besides, he needs to be raised already.
* V. doesn't ''need'' to. S/he knows Wish. S/he now has enough caster levels to perform epic spells. S/he can presumably use some kind of epic Wish variant to bring Roy back without needing to even ''think'' about Durkon.
** What part of "you won't be able to duplicate any divine magic, not even with a Wish or Limited Wish" don't you understand? He can't use Clone without a piece of Roy's flesh, and Major Creation specifically forbids using created objects as spell components.
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== The fiends will fuse V's soul with someone else when they have control of it. ==
It's hard to see what good possessing V's soul for a few weeks is to the fiends, and the reasons they give for the deal aren't convincing. But we've already found out one thing they can do with access to souls - fuse them temporarily to living people to increase their magic power. This would work perfectly well with V's soul, and he or she certainly has the power to make it worthwhile.
== Vaarsuvius And the Evil Souls Will Eventually [[I Am Legion|Combine Into A Single Entity]] ==
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*** So, let's examine the evidence FOR: we have the four words(I.. I must succeed), we have the wrong reasons(arrogance), we have the right being(himself). We have him getting the power of three epic spellcasters, which "when combined would dwarf the power of any spellcaster that ever lived"(not exact quote). That's very much ultimate, just because the power was misused does not mean it's not ultimate. We have the strip titled "The Wrong Reasons". Let's examine the evidence AGAINST:... Uhm... A twist needs a good solid subverting? Rich likes to subvert tropes? Seems shaky at best.
**** How about the fact that Xykon pointed out that the Soul Splice wasn't really all that ultimate, especially since it wasn't so much V gaining power as it was his/her/its temporarily gaining the ability to draw on the power of three epic-level spellcasters. The wording of the question implies that the power would truly be V's--"how will I obtain", not "how will I gain access to". Also, that wasn't four words; it was three words, one of which was stammered.
***** Look, if you have a basket with two red apples, one green apple and one yellow apple then how many apples do you have in the basket? FOUR. If you have two "I"'s in a sentence, one "must" and one "succeed" then you have FOUR words in a sentence. The power of the souls individually wasn't ultimate, but when combined "would dwarf that of any spellcaster that ever lived". And there was nothing in V's question about obtaining the power permanently, nor does 'obtain' imply by itself that what you gain is permanent, check a dictionary. In short, there's no compelling evidence whatsoever that V's prophecy might not be fulfilled yet.
****** It is 4 words, but it's 3 unique words. Since the English language is somewhat ambiguous when referring to unique or non-unique parts (4 words can mean either just 4 words, or 4 unique words, both are valid interpretations) it's still questionable.
****** Note, also, the wording "every spellcaster ''who has ever lived.''" Xykon is most emphatically not alive, and neither is any other undead spellcaster. It is entirely in character for beings as manipulative as the Three Archfiends have shown themselves to be to use misleading-but-true phrasing to get what they want out of V. It's possible that even before the loss of the first soul, the Soul Splice would have made V more powerful than Xykon as he was when he was still human, but not as he is now, when he's been an undead epic spellcaster for years. The term also does not imply "ultimate power"; it merely means that V has, however temporarily, surpassed ''all previous'' living spellcasters. There's nothing preventing someone else from surpassing V in turn. "Ultimate" implies going beyond the point where anyone can surpass you. [[Ironic Echo|Check a dictionary.]] Also, [[Wild Mass Guessing Discussion|if you're going to persist in refuting this theory, take it to the Discussion page.]]
******* I've always assumed that V had Ultimate Arcane Power until Haerta left. And I'd like to point out that while Xykon is dead now, he didn't used to be. He "has ever lived", and therefore likely was not as powerful as triple-soul spliced V.
* Gonna add a corollary to this: It hasn't been fulfilled in order to have the twist. Now that V thinks he has fulfilled the prophecy he is going to walk right into the real one. With all the foreshadowing of a future fall for V it begs that the splicing incident was a red herring. Any other comic, any other story, the splicing would have qualified. OotS dines on tropes and washes down stale cliches with glasses of uberness. This is too "normal" for OotS.
* [[Jossed]] by [[Word of God]] in ''Don't Split the Party'''s author commentary.
== Building on the WMG that Tyrinar the Bloody is Nale's and Elan's father, and Tyrinaria no longer exists... ==
Nale approaches the Order with a sob story about how Daddy's empire has crumbled, and he'll be good if Elan and the rest help him avenge it. Haley's/Ian Starshine's "trust no one '''but family'''" reference (what family is [[Long
* Jossed by Tarquin's decidedly non-Tyrinarish backstory.
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* Except that amulet was ''already'' broken, and we don't have any indication that she gave him a new one. And if she did, it would probably be one she'd know he can break.
== Nale is a [["Well Done, Son" Guy]]. ==
We know that his father is [[Lawful Evil]] and so is he. He seems to be trying way too hard to be a Troperiffic villain for ill-defined reasons. This makes more sense if he's trying to live up to the impossible standards of a true [[Magnificent Bastard]]. It also makes sense with his grudge against Elan - if he can't even beat the halfwit good twin, his dad will be wishing he'd left them both with their mother.
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** [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0725.html Jossed].
== The separated members of the Order Of The Stick will assemble a [[Five
This theory made more sense to me before {{spoiler|The death of Therkla}}, but it could still be worth considering.
* V, Durkon and Elan already have Hinjo or another Paladin as a replacement for Roy, the tank. Therkla could replace Haley {{spoiler|but that's been [[Jossed]]}}, not sure who'd take the place of Belkar yet.
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== Vaarsuvius will kill Belkar ==
After the Soul Splice, V now has an [https://web.archive.org/web/20130901040900/http://www.giantitp.com/Images/fanart/ootslate1.gif Epic Level Necromancer whispering that (s)he should kill everyone who's slighted him/her]. Depending on how well V can resist that compulsion, the next time (s)he meets up with Belkar and Belkar gets annoying, V may not be able to resist dropping some epic level necromancy spell that kills Belkar stone dead, no resurrection allowed.
* This Troper very much hopes so.
* Putting this in Jossed, since he didn't kill Belkar while under the Soul Splice.
== Therkla the Ninja is Right-Eye's hidden daughter. ==
Right-Eye's daughter (name unknown) was smuggled away to unknown foster-parents between 6 months and 3 years before the Current Events began. Therkla is some kind of either monster or half-monster who is backed by (possibly) demons. Bam!<br />Okay, the main impetus for this theory is backed by how awesome it would be for Right-Eye's daughter, niece to xenophobic Redcloak (who has issues regarding his brother's get, to say the least), to have the hots for
* Class: Right-Eye was a deadly rogue, and it would only be natural for that same blood to flow through his daughter's veins.
* Tropes: Rich has been working in his extra books this arc, and some more ''Start Of Darkness'' references would be apropos.
* Racial: Therkla is a greenskin, and while she has the skin-tone of a half-orc...
* Age: Right-Eye's daughter would be of
* Awesomeness: Such an outcome would clearly be covered by the [[Rule of Cool]].
** Unfortunately, this theory, along with many others, has been [[Jossed]] as of [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0509.html #509]. An even more thorough Jossing appears on [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0555.html #555].
*** Even so, I'd expect Right-Eye's daughter to put in an appearance at some stage. Perhaps her having been raised lovingly by adoptive human parents will lead Redcloak to rethink his belief that [[Humans Are
== The girl Belkar is sleeping with is Sabine ==
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== The Creature In The Darkness Is The Bonus Boss Of A JRPG. ==
* Think about it: Insanely overpowered, able to perform attacks that should be impossible in a D and D universe, and unlike every other creature in the Order Of The Stick universe, HE HAS NO IDEA HOW THINGS ACTUALLY WORK!!! Every other creature, even admittedly idiotic ones, possess full awareness of the abilities of both themselves and others. The Creature In The Darkness does not, because he's not from this universe, but instead he is a creature that came from a universe that operates on a completely different set of rules. And which [[Bonus Boss]]? [[Arc the Lad
== V's Master is also his/her mother/father ==
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== V's prophecy hasn't come true yet. ==
The exact wording is that Vaarsuvius will achieve complete and total ultimate arcane power, quote, "By saying the right four words to the right being at the right time for all the wrong reasons." The problem is that ''none'' of these conditions were met. V said "I... I must succeed," which isn't four words (it's three, with a stammer). V says it to ''three'' beings, not one being. It wasn't the right "time"
* Except that "I(1)...I(2) must(3) succeed(4)" is 4 words. Count them again. And V didn't say them to the Three Fiends, he said them to himself in an attempt to justify his [[Deal
* Stammers are indicated by a hyphen, not dots. The four words are written "I... I must succeed", not "I-I must succeed".
* Wrong. [[Word of God|Rich]] [[Jossed|confirmed that the prophecy has been fulfilled.]]
== V's prophecy hasn't been fulfilled yet. In the future, it ''will'' be fulfilled by... ==
* V becoming a [[Exalted|Green Sun Prince]]. Yes, I realize that this would involve a massive crossover (probably with [[Keychain of Creation]]), but think about it: A Green Sun Prince exalts after an interview with a demon, who makes contact with them after they fail to fulfill a heroic destiny on their own terms. And, well...look at the White Treatise's Solar Circle spell list, or even the Infernal Charm
** [[Jossed|Wrong.]] [[Word of God|Rich]] has said that the prophecy was fulfilled with the Soul Splice.
== We will eventually see Elan's half-sister Lena and half-brother Alen. ==
Well, we know his dad's been married at least nine times, so it wouldn't be surprising if he has more kids (and used the same letters of alphabet for all of them).
* And Neal, Lean, Anel and Nela too.
** And Lane.
** Say, maybe the letters differ slightly depending on who the mother was. Lien doesn't have any physical traits that are clearly similar to Elan's, but this being a stick figure comic we can't rule it out yet.
*** Possibly jossed. Although he might be lying about it and (more likely) his motivations for doing so, Tarquin claims that he was so disappointed in how Nale turned out, he's avoided having children then. So, any other siblings would have to have been born prior to Elan and Nale.
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== The Monster In Darkness is an aspect of The Snarl. ==
For reasons known to almost everyone here: it cannot perceive the gates, as the Snarl could be expected not to perceive its prison, it is insanely powerful, as the Snarl surely is, and it seems to have no particular motivation or intellect, as the Snarl is more a primal force than an actual entity.
* This actually helps explain why Burlew let slip that one of the gates opened before the story
* This may have been [[Jossed]] in ''Start Of Darkness'': the Monster in the dark was about a while before the incident with the gate. That an aspect of Snarl existed before some other way is possible. As well, the Monster serves as [[The Watson]] to the explanation of Xykon's plot in #195-6, sitting through the gate's destruction before learning what's going on.
* Alternatively, the Monster in the Dark is an aspect of the Snarl left out in the original sealing. It's in darkness because the tanglyness would give it away, and it can't see the gates because they're constructs of
** This may be disproved by ''Start of Darkness'': In that book, {{spoiler|there are people who see the Monster, and they recognize what he is (although they never say what exactly he is)}}. If the Monster was a part of the Snarl, {{spoiler|most people wouldn't have any idea what he was.}}
* Jossed: he was recognized by his captors, and by [[Word of God]] he isn't something Rich has made up for the comic.
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Not only is she a puppet for {{spoiler|Malachar}}, as Haley thought, but also a metaphorical and almost literal lapdog for {{spoiler|the ''real'' Empress of Blood. She just likes acting Empress-y when the Epic Spellcaster is out}}.
* Alternately: The character shown is a literal lapdog. The Empress is slightly more unfortunate than the throne.
* Jossed. He is just [[The Man Behind the Man|Tarquin's]] puppet, there is no real Empress of Blood.
== Tyrinar is a stage name. ==
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* Jossed. Tyrinar was just a figurehead and the Empress is the new one.
== Haley's father will be rescued as such
Hayley amasses, with the help of the rest of the Order once they find out, the necessary 200 000 gp. Tyrinar's chancellor said in the letter that he "might" be willing to "consider" releasing him, not that he will. Thus, even with the gold he'll keep her father captive. Exploiting the "period not to exceed the span of his natural life", the order will kill him remotely, nick the body (either from the garbage or the guards on the way to the crematorium), resurrect him (possibly in a similar way to Roy- Vaarsuvius?), and get the gold back (through either spite or Elan recognizing Lord Tyrinar as his father and executing him).
* Jossed as A: Haley has no intention to pay anymore, B: Roy is supposed to break up from prison with him, C: Tyrinar is dead and he isn't Elan's dad.
== The Monster's father was [[SCP Foundation
The Monster in the Darkness does mention that his father was "BIG, and he ate a lot". Evidently the hatred for all things living doesn't run in the family. Alternately, or possibly on top of that, it might be 231's [Data Expunged]; it's either one of the early less-harmful test runs, or it just takes a few decades or centuries to get to the point of being evil and powerful enough to end the world.
* Jossed. [[Word of God]] says the MitD is something from D&D.
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== The Monster In The Darkness isn't hidden in the shadows. It ''is'' the shadows ==
* It's the [[Doctor Who
** You mean, Belkar attacked the darkness? And by the way, it doesn't fear the light. It keeps trying to get lit up.
*** That's because it's been pretending to be [[Obfuscating Stupidity|vulnerable and harmless]]. It's been [[The Chessmaster|planing everything from behind the scenes]], by [[The Man Behind the Man|animating a skeleton and passing it off as a lich king]].
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Currently, Belkar is lying in the prison with armor but no weapons, his cat is coming running, being chased by a big dog and a kobold with crossbows akimbo. Belkar will throw a rock at Yukyuk, tear a hole in reality, and then the entire Linear Guild will be destroyed by the Snarl. (Or something like that)
== Haley is directly related to Girard ==
She notes that Orrin Draketooth is paranoid just like her father, and it is not inconceivable that he WAS Orrin. The redhair thing seems too convenient.
* Okay, here's the comic in question: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0816.html
Let's go down the list. Haley and Ian have distinctly red hair...just like Orrin and his daughter. Orrin ran away with his daughter, and Haley's mother is missing, possibly dead. In the comic, Ian's paranoid nature is compared to Girard and Orrin's. Every time we've seen Ian, he has a bushy beard covering his face, the same spot that Orrin has an extremely distinct tattoo. The only wrinkle is that we see Haley's mother in one panel...but it could easily be Ian/Orrin's second wife.
* Actually, Rich went onto the discussion and said that the girl and Orrin were NOT Haley and Ian. However, that does not mean that Orrin isn't actually like... a cousin of Ian's. Just saying your details are jossed, not the big picture.
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== The Elven Commander will cross the [[Moral Event Horizon]] at some point in this arc. ==
Considering how he was introduced, things can only get worse from here...and as someone once pointed out, it's not a good thing if you're going to have to lie to the Paladin about your actions. I'm guessing it will involve those Goblinoid women and children that Redcloak mentioned a few strips ago.
* This will also make him the new Miko on the [[Order of the Stick]] forums, with the fandom divided over whether he went too far or not far enough.
* Jossed as of his death at the hands of Redcloak.
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