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Sub-trope of [[Mind Screw]] where it [[Makes Just as Much Sense in Context]] and the creators are intentionally ''trying'' to confound explanation. Whether they're poking fun at the fans' tendency to [[Epileptic Trees|explain and]] [[Wild Mass Guessing|codify everything]], trying to express that [[Real Life]] doesn't always have clear-cut answers, or simply more interested in evoking a mood than communicating a specific message, they'll make the weirdest, most [[True Art Is Incomprehensible|incomprehensible]] work they can.
When adding examples, remember that the authors need to have ''stated'' their intent to dish out a [[Mind Screw]] (quotes are good here). Subjective guesses and theories go in 'normal' [[Mind Screw]].
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{{examples}}
== [[Anime]] and [[Manga]] ==
* ''[[Revolutionary Girl Utena]]''—like many 'deep' anime series—was put together to promote differing interpretations and discussion. Ikuhara Kunihiko once admitted flat-out that he and the rest of the production team hadn't really kept track of the symbolism in the show and the film because they thought the point was for people to interpret it in their own way. They didn't want [[Word of God]] to narrow the fans' focus, embracing something many directors often forget: past a certain point, [[Death of the Author|meaning is ascribed to a series by the viewer, not the creator]].
** He admitted in one interview that the reason he {{spoiler|turned Utena into a car}} in the movie was because he always wanted to see a beautiful girl turned into a car. No further reason. Doesn't stop fans from having braingasms trying to figure out what it meant.
* ''[[Serial Experiments Lain]]'' was supposed to be this once exported, but the creator was dismayed to discover that foreigners interpreted it pretty much the same way the Japanese audience did.
* ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'': [[Word of God]] stated numerous times that this work was generally designed with [[Mind Screw]] first, plot second. This became more and more apparent in later episodes with all of the symbolism and Freudian imagery splattered all over the place in an ambitious and disjointed fashion, mainly in the form of jump cuts.
* The whole basis of [[Dada]].▼
* [[Jackson Pollock]]'s legendary "dribble" style of painting evoked many debates that persist, even after his death, to this day regarding their meaning. When asked some paintings' meanings, Pollock would often describe his definition of the painting in an almost-outlandish fashion.▼
== [[Comic Books]] ==
* Want to know what the heck Peter Milligan's ''[[Shade the Changing Man]]'' is actually ''about''? According to Milligan: "hair". The worrying thing is that there's some evidence (Shade goes through a few [[Expository Hairstyle Change]]s, and Kathy has an [[Important Haircut]]) to support this, and he ''did'' also write a comic called ''Hewligan's Haircut''...
▲== Film ==
* [[David Lynch]]'s works are explicitly this. So much to the point where if anyone on the set of ''[[Inland Empire]]'' asked him what's the plot/symbolism/whatever, he'd quote a passage from an Asian text that basically meant, "We make our own meanings."
{{quote|"We are like the spider. We weave our life and then move along in it. We are like the dreamer who dreams and then lives in the dream. This is true for the entire universe."}}
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* ''[[Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan]]'': In his introduction, Khan makes a show of removing his left-hand glove, but leaves his right-hand glove on for the rest of the movie. According to director Nicholas Meyer, this was meant to provoke this reaction. When people ask for an explanation, he likes to reply, "Why do ''you'' think he left one glove on?"
== [[Literature]] ==▼
▲== Literature ==
* ''The [[Illuminatus]]! Trilogy'': [[Robert Anton Wilson]] has said the whole point was to [[Thirty Gambit Pileup|pile up]] enough conspiracy theories so that no one could be sure what was 'true' by the end.
* [[James Joyce]] said he hoped ''[[Ulysses]]'' would "keep the professors busy for centuries arguing over what I meant."
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* Alternately and/or concurrently played straight, subverted, inverted, lampshaded and transcended in the works of [[Philip K. Dick]].
▲== Live Action TV ==
* BBC's ''[[Robin Hood (TV series)|Robin Hood]]'' has a scene in season 2 in which Sir Guy has a dream where Marian massages his shoulder and says that she "Should have let [him] take care of [her]" then Marian turns into Allan who say "I'm your boy" "I should've let you take care of me". The scene pleased many slash fans, but the writers admitted that it was just to get people talking.
* The ending to ''[[The Prisoner]]''. Patrick McGoohan wanted people to scratch their heads and cudgel their brains out trying to understand the final episode. He did too good a job—apparently disgruntled or just plain confused fans showed up at his house demanding to know what it was all about.
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* ''[[Twin Peaks]]'', which despite its apparent [[Myth Arc]], was simply [[David Lynch]] making things up as he went along.
▲== Music ==
* [[The Beatles]]: "I Am the Walrus". They later turned this into an art form with "Glass Onion", the source for the [[Trope Namer]], which consists almost entirely of cryptic [[Shout-Out]]s [[Song of Song Titles|to the group's earlier songs.]]
** It's safe to say it's not just "I Am the Walrus", but half the songs [[John Lennon]] wrote. His quote pretty much proves it: He was so fed up with fans trying to find hidden allusions in their songs that he decided to write a completely nonsensical one—namely, "I Am the Walrus". Lennon allegedly said, "Let's see the fuckers figure ''that'' one out" after finishing it. Which, [[Fan Dumb|in an ironic twist]], [[Misaimed Fandom|was still searched for "clues"]]. But Lennon had the final word during his post-Beatles career when, in his song "God" he sang, "I was the walrus, but now, I'm John."
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* [[Veruca Salt]] parodied/homaged the "Glass Onion" example in the bridge to "Volcano Girls" -- "Well here's another clue if you please/ the Seether's Louise", referring to a member of the band and the song "Seether", which had lyrics that were often debated over by fans. It was probably just meant as a tongue-in-cheek reference to interpretations rather than an actual mind screw though, as they'd already said in interviews that "the Seether" was a personification of anger.
** It's actually a very good homage to the original mind screw, though, right down to the misdirection (just as it was John and not Paul who sang lead on "I Am The Walrus", it was Nina and not Louise who sang lead on "Seether").
* [[Don McLean]], when asked what the meaning of "American Pie" was, said something like, [[Mathematician's Answer|"It means I never have to work again."]]{{context|reason=How is that a Mathematician's Answer?}}
** There is ''one'' thing mentioned in the song that's definite, "the day the music died", which refers to the plane crash that killed Richie Valens, Buddy Holly, and The Big Bopper. ''That'', more than anything, is why this song has been picked to death.
* The art-rock group [[Tool]] pretty much runs off of this. They put a huge emphasis on personal interpretation of the imagery used in their songs, to the point where they ''never release official lyrics with their albums''.
** Not to mention their early endorsement of lachrymology, a fabricated philosophy that was basically psychobabble.
* [[David Bowie]]
* [[Bob Dylan]], when asked what his songs were about, replied "Oh [[Henway|some are about three minutes, some are about five minutes]]."
{{quote|'''Interviewer:''' What's your message?
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** There is ''one'' guy, in the entire world, who knows for certain who the song is actually about -- TV executive Dick Ebersol. He won the answer in an auction in 2003, and Simon made him sign a non-disclosure agreement. It lasts at least until Simon dies.
** Technically speaking unless the above theory is correct, there are two guys in the world who know for certain; the one it's about is the other one.
** Hints and clues that Simon has given out or allowed to be given out since 1972 suggest that the song is actually about ''three different men'' -- one for each verse. Two of the best candidates -- supported by [[Backmasking|back-masked]] speech in a particular version of the song -- are actor [[Warren Beatty]] (confirmed by Simon in 2015 to be the subject of the second verse) and record executive David Geffen (who she had not yet met when she wrote the song).
* The singer Seal intentionally does not put out official lyrics to his songs, feeling that if someone realized the lyrics were something other than what they thought it was, it would rob them of what they feel the song's meaning is to them.
* Adriyel's "Natasha/Natalie" features lyrics such as "You're a person, and a concept / You're both and neither I suppose", insisting that "this audience will never know / what you mean and what you show" and referring to the narrator's fun times with the girl in question, despite the fact that the girl in question has never met him, doesn't know who he is, and apparently doesn't even speak English because she's from the Ukraine. The only definitely solved mystery is of the two names: in Russia and the Ukraine, the names Natasha and Natalie are interchangeable.
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* ''[[Yume Nikki]]'' is a dialogue-free, non-linear journey through the dream world of a girl who won't go anywhere while awake except for her bedroom and adjacent balcony. Good luck getting any answers about what any of the dream symbols mean, what the heck happened in the ending, or what the fuck is up with {{spoiler|Uboa}}.
== [[Web Comics]] ==
▲== Webcomics ==
* [[Andrew Hussie]] is well known for mercilessly toying with the concept of [[Word of God]] by [[Trolling Creator|trolling factoid-hungry fans]], memorably claiming that the faces of ''[[Homestuck]]'''s trolls are actually collections of specialized genitalia that happen to look like an angry face to the human eye, and that all trolls have two penises, one for love and one for hate. When asked why he does this? "[[For the Lulz|Because it's fun!]]"
== [[Web Original]] ==
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{{quote|'''sfraser0:''' ''i don't get it.....''
'''CornIceProductions, the guy who made the video:''' ''I do'' }}
== [[Western Animation]] ==
* ''[[Aeon Flux]]'' messes with your head constantly, and Peter Chung has gone out of his way not to explain anything, in hopes that the viewers will derive their own meanings. This approach eventually backfired badly on him, though. The plot of the film, almost universally considered terrible, had its genesis in the scriptwriters' own interpretation of the [[Mind Screw|mind screwiest]] episode of the series.
* ''[[12 oz. Mouse]]''.{{context}}
▲* The whole basis of [[Dada]].
▲* [[Jackson Pollock]]'s legendary "dribble" style of painting evoked many debates that persist, even after his death, to this day regarding their meaning. When asked some paintings' meanings, Pollock would often describe his definition of the painting in an almost-outlandish fashion.
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